"the conger, king of the sea, wearing its jacket of jewelled
scales"
Isobel Allende, "My invented country" (in translation by an
American professor of Spanish)

Conger eel has no jewelled scales, what is this chilean fish,
chilean sea bass mistranslated?
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Following up to The Reids

>Conger eel has no jewelled scales, what is this chilean fish,
>chilean sea bass mistranslated?

Tuh!!! So none of you has read the book in the Spanish and
remembers what it was called, call yourselves foodies? :-)
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Following up to The Reids

>Conger eel has no jewelled scales, what is this chilean fish,
>chilean sea bass mistranslated?

Tuh!!! So none of you has read the book in the Spanish and
remembers what it was called, call yourselves foodies? :-)
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:33:58 +0100, The Reids wrote:

> "the conger, king of the sea, wearing its jacket of jewelled scales"
> Isobel Allende, "My invented country" (in translation by an American
> professor of Spanish)
>
> Conger eel has no jewelled scales, what is this chilean fish, chilean sea
> bass mistranslated?

I don't think a Chilean Sea Bass/Icefish/Patagonian Toothfish/Mero has
jewelled scales either. It's a cod like thing (but even more endangered).

One of these perhaps:

Beyond the shadow of the ship,
I watched the water-snakes :
They moved in tracks of shining white,
And when they reared, the elfish light
Fell off in hoary flakes.

Within the shadow of the ship
I watched their rich attire :
Blue, glossy green, and velvet black,
They coiled and swam ; and every track
Was a flash of golden fire.

(from the Ancient Mariner, just before the Albatross falls off)

Regards, Ian

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:33:58 +0100, The Reids wrote:

> "the conger, king of the sea, wearing its jacket of jewelled scales"
> Isobel Allende, "My invented country" (in translation by an American
> professor of Spanish)
>
> Conger eel has no jewelled scales, what is this chilean fish, chilean sea
> bass mistranslated?

I don't think a Chilean Sea Bass/Icefish/Patagonian Toothfish/Mero has
jewelled scales either. It's a cod like thing (but even more endangered).

One of these perhaps:

Beyond the shadow of the ship,
I watched the water-snakes :
They moved in tracks of shining white,
And when they reared, the elfish light
Fell off in hoary flakes.

Within the shadow of the ship
I watched their rich attire :
Blue, glossy green, and velvet black,
They coiled and swam ; and every track
Was a flash of golden fire.

(from the Ancient Mariner, just before the Albatross falls off)

Regards, Ian

Following up to Ian Northeast

>I don't think a Chilean Sea Bass/Icefish/Patagonian Toothfish/Mero has
>jewelled scales either. It's a cod like thing (but even more endangered).

The Spanish Mero I have seen does not have bright scales. The
fish I bought as Icefish in Waitrose had bright scales and my
Mexican cookbook shows a fish with bright large golden scales
which it calls a Bass, alongside a recipe for "lobina".
Basically, fish names are confusing!

>One of these perhaps:
>
>Beyond the shadow of the ship,
>I watched the water-snakes :
>They moved in tracks of shining white,
>And when they reared, the elfish light
>Fell off in hoary flakes.
>
>Within the shadow of the ship
>I watched their rich attire :
>Blue, glossy green, and velvet black,
>They coiled and swam ; and every track
>Was a flash of golden fire.
>
>(from the Ancient Mariner, just before the Albatross falls off)

Now thats a very good parallel, isnt it. I wonder what species
the Ancient Mariner was talking about?
--
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Following up to Ian Northeast

>I don't think a Chilean Sea Bass/Icefish/Patagonian Toothfish/Mero has
>jewelled scales either. It's a cod like thing (but even more endangered).

The Spanish Mero I have seen does not have bright scales. The
fish I bought as Icefish in Waitrose had bright scales and my
Mexican cookbook shows a fish with bright large golden scales
which it calls a Bass, alongside a recipe for "lobina".
Basically, fish names are confusing!

>One of these perhaps:
>
>Beyond the shadow of the ship,
>I watched the water-snakes :
>They moved in tracks of shining white,
>And when they reared, the elfish light
>Fell off in hoary flakes.
>
>Within the shadow of the ship
>I watched their rich attire :
>Blue, glossy green, and velvet black,
>They coiled and swam ; and every track
>Was a flash of golden fire.
>
>(from the Ancient Mariner, just before the Albatross falls off)

Now thats a very good parallel, isnt it. I wonder what species
the Ancient Mariner was talking about?
--
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Following up to Ian Northeast

>I don't think a Chilean Sea Bass/Icefish/Patagonian Toothfish/Mero has
>jewelled scales either. It's a cod like thing (but even more endangered).

The Spanish Mero I have seen does not have bright scales. The
fish I bought as Icefish in Waitrose had bright scales and my
Mexican cookbook shows a fish with bright large golden scales
which it calls a Bass, alongside a recipe for "lobina".
Basically, fish names are confusing!

>One of these perhaps:
>
>Beyond the shadow of the ship,
>I watched the water-snakes :
>They moved in tracks of shining white,
>And when they reared, the elfish light
>Fell off in hoary flakes.
>
>Within the shadow of the ship
>I watched their rich attire :
>Blue, glossy green, and velvet black,
>They coiled and swam ; and every track
>Was a flash of golden fire.
>
>(from the Ancient Mariner, just before the Albatross falls off)

Now thats a very good parallel, isnt it. I wonder what species
the Ancient Mariner was talking about?
--
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The Reids > wrote:

> Following up to Ian Northeast
>
> >I don't think a Chilean Sea Bass/Icefish/Patagonian Toothfish/Mero has
> >jewelled scales either. It's a cod like thing (but even more endangered).
>
> The Spanish Mero I have seen does not have bright scales. The
> fish I bought as Icefish in Waitrose had bright scales and my
> Mexican cookbook shows a fish with bright large golden scales
> which it calls a Bass, alongside a recipe for "lobina".
> Basically, fish names are confusing!
>
> >One of these perhaps:
> >
> >Beyond the shadow of the ship,
> >I watched the water-snakes :
> >They moved in tracks of shining white,
> >And when they reared, the elfish light
> >Fell off in hoary flakes.
> >
> >Within the shadow of the ship
> >I watched their rich attire :
> >Blue, glossy green, and velvet black,
> >They coiled and swam ; and every track
> >Was a flash of golden fire.
> >
> >(from the Ancient Mariner, just before the Albatross falls off)
>
> Now thats a very good parallel, isnt it. I wonder what species
> the Ancient Mariner was talking about?

I recommend Redmond O'Hanlon's _Trawler_. Not as blatantly funny as some
of his other travel books, but there are several passages featuring the
complicated names of fish :-)

regards
sarah


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The Reids > wrote:

> Following up to Ian Northeast
>
> >I don't think a Chilean Sea Bass/Icefish/Patagonian Toothfish/Mero has
> >jewelled scales either. It's a cod like thing (but even more endangered).
>
> The Spanish Mero I have seen does not have bright scales. The
> fish I bought as Icefish in Waitrose had bright scales and my
> Mexican cookbook shows a fish with bright large golden scales
> which it calls a Bass, alongside a recipe for "lobina".
> Basically, fish names are confusing!
>
> >One of these perhaps:
> >
> >Beyond the shadow of the ship,
> >I watched the water-snakes :
> >They moved in tracks of shining white,
> >And when they reared, the elfish light
> >Fell off in hoary flakes.
> >
> >Within the shadow of the ship
> >I watched their rich attire :
> >Blue, glossy green, and velvet black,
> >They coiled and swam ; and every track
> >Was a flash of golden fire.
> >
> >(from the Ancient Mariner, just before the Albatross falls off)
>
> Now thats a very good parallel, isnt it. I wonder what species
> the Ancient Mariner was talking about?

I recommend Redmond O'Hanlon's _Trawler_. Not as blatantly funny as some
of his other travel books, but there are several passages featuring the
complicated names of fish :-)

regards
sarah


--
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Following up to sarah

>I recommend Redmond O'Hanlon's _Trawler_. Not as blatantly funny as some
>of his other travel books, but there are several passages featuring the
>complicated names of fish :-)

I've not seen that one, i'll look out for it, nothing like fish
names to get a laugh, is there?
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Following up to sarah

>I recommend Redmond O'Hanlon's _Trawler_. Not as blatantly funny as some
>of his other travel books, but there are several passages featuring the
>complicated names of fish :-)

I've not seen that one, i'll look out for it, nothing like fish
names to get a laugh, is there?
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The Reids surprised us with

>>I recommend Redmond O'Hanlon's _Trawler_. Not as blatantly funny as some
>>of his other travel books, but there are several passages featuring the
>>complicated names of fish :-)
>
> I've not seen that one, i'll look out for it, nothing like fish
> names to get a laugh, is there?
>

For a good laugh I prefer Ardal O'Hanlon.... saw him yesterday....

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The Reids surprised us with

>>I recommend Redmond O'Hanlon's _Trawler_. Not as blatantly funny as some
>>of his other travel books, but there are several passages featuring the
>>complicated names of fish :-)
>
> I've not seen that one, i'll look out for it, nothing like fish
> names to get a laugh, is there?
>

For a good laugh I prefer Ardal O'Hanlon.... saw him yesterday....

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The Reids surprised us with

>>I recommend Redmond O'Hanlon's _Trawler_. Not as blatantly funny as some
>>of his other travel books, but there are several passages featuring the
>>complicated names of fish :-)
>
> I've not seen that one, i'll look out for it, nothing like fish
> names to get a laugh, is there?
>

For a good laugh I prefer Ardal O'Hanlon.... saw him yesterday....

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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:56:47 +0100, The Reids wrote:

> Following up to Ian Northeast
>
>>I don't think a Chilean Sea Bass/Icefish/Patagonian Toothfish/Mero has
>>jewelled scales either. It's a cod like thing (but even more endangered).
>
> The Spanish Mero I have seen does not have bright scales. The fish I
> bought as Icefish in Waitrose had bright scales and my Mexican cookbook
> shows a fish with bright large golden scales which it calls a Bass,
> alongside a recipe for "lobina". Basically, fish names are confusing!

The "Mero" I was referring to is the Japanese name for a Patagonian
Toothfish so the Spanish one is probably not the same thing. But
"Icefish" is the English term so an Icefish in Waitrose definitely should
be one, so I may be wrong. I've never seen a whole one in the flesh,
I've only seen fillets, I'm just going on pictures of them I have seen
which all look pretty dull.

Yes, the names of this fish in particular are certainly confusing.
"Chilean Sea Bass" is the American term. It is neither Chilean nor a Bass.
The "Chilean" bit I assume comes from many of the US imports being caught
(usually illegaly I think) by Chilean vessels sailing down to the
Antarctic; I have no idea where the "Bass" is from. I also have no idea
whether what the Mexicans call a Bass is the same thing or not. How big is
the fish in your picture? A Patagonian Toothfish (I like that name because
it is unambiguous) is pretty big. Much bigger than a Bass.

It's also a pity this fish is so endangered. It's excellent eating but
highly ecologically unsound to encourage its fishing, so I don't eat it
any more.

Regards, Ian

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:56:47 +0100, The Reids wrote:

> Following up to Ian Northeast
>
>>I don't think a Chilean Sea Bass/Icefish/Patagonian Toothfish/Mero has
>>jewelled scales either. It's a cod like thing (but even more endangered).
>
> The Spanish Mero I have seen does not have bright scales. The fish I
> bought as Icefish in Waitrose had bright scales and my Mexican cookbook
> shows a fish with bright large golden scales which it calls a Bass,
> alongside a recipe for "lobina". Basically, fish names are confusing!

The "Mero" I was referring to is the Japanese name for a Patagonian
Toothfish so the Spanish one is probably not the same thing. But
"Icefish" is the English term so an Icefish in Waitrose definitely should
be one, so I may be wrong. I've never seen a whole one in the flesh,
I've only seen fillets, I'm just going on pictures of them I have seen
which all look pretty dull.

Yes, the names of this fish in particular are certainly confusing.
"Chilean Sea Bass" is the American term. It is neither Chilean nor a Bass.
The "Chilean" bit I assume comes from many of the US imports being caught
(usually illegaly I think) by Chilean vessels sailing down to the
Antarctic; I have no idea where the "Bass" is from. I also have no idea
whether what the Mexicans call a Bass is the same thing or not. How big is
the fish in your picture? A Patagonian Toothfish (I like that name because
it is unambiguous) is pretty big. Much bigger than a Bass.

It's also a pity this fish is so endangered. It's excellent eating but
highly ecologically unsound to encourage its fishing, so I don't eat it
any more.

Regards, Ian

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:56:47 +0100, The Reids wrote:

> Following up to Ian Northeast
>
>>I don't think a Chilean Sea Bass/Icefish/Patagonian Toothfish/Mero has
>>jewelled scales either. It's a cod like thing (but even more endangered).
>
> The Spanish Mero I have seen does not have bright scales. The fish I
> bought as Icefish in Waitrose had bright scales and my Mexican cookbook
> shows a fish with bright large golden scales which it calls a Bass,
> alongside a recipe for "lobina". Basically, fish names are confusing!

The "Mero" I was referring to is the Japanese name for a Patagonian
Toothfish so the Spanish one is probably not the same thing. But
"Icefish" is the English term so an Icefish in Waitrose definitely should
be one, so I may be wrong. I've never seen a whole one in the flesh,
I've only seen fillets, I'm just going on pictures of them I have seen
which all look pretty dull.

Yes, the names of this fish in particular are certainly confusing.
"Chilean Sea Bass" is the American term. It is neither Chilean nor a Bass.
The "Chilean" bit I assume comes from many of the US imports being caught
(usually illegaly I think) by Chilean vessels sailing down to the
Antarctic; I have no idea where the "Bass" is from. I also have no idea
whether what the Mexicans call a Bass is the same thing or not. How big is
the fish in your picture? A Patagonian Toothfish (I like that name because
it is unambiguous) is pretty big. Much bigger than a Bass.

It's also a pity this fish is so endangered. It's excellent eating but
highly ecologically unsound to encourage its fishing, so I don't eat it
any more.

Regards, Ian

Following up to Ian Northeast

>I also have no idea
>whether what the Mexicans call a Bass is the same thing or not. How big is
>the fish in your picture? A Patagonian Toothfish (I like that name because
>it is unambiguous) is pretty big. Much bigger than a Bass.

The picture shows a deep bodied fish, probably two feet long,
goldish in colour with pronounced scales.

>It's also a pity this fish is so endangered. It's excellent eating but
>highly ecologically unsound to encourage its fishing, so I don't eat it
>any more.

I think the US have taken measures to control imports and I
agree, I wouldn't buy it now.
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Following up to Ian Northeast

>I also have no idea
>whether what the Mexicans call a Bass is the same thing or not. How big is
>the fish in your picture? A Patagonian Toothfish (I like that name because
>it is unambiguous) is pretty big. Much bigger than a Bass.

The picture shows a deep bodied fish, probably two feet long,
goldish in colour with pronounced scales.

>It's also a pity this fish is so endangered. It's excellent eating but
>highly ecologically unsound to encourage its fishing, so I don't eat it
>any more.

I think the US have taken measures to control imports and I
agree, I wouldn't buy it now.
--
Mike Reid
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The Reids > wrote:

> Following up to sarah
>
> >I recommend Redmond O'Hanlon's _Trawler_. Not as blatantly funny as some
> >of his other travel books, but there are several passages featuring the
> >complicated names of fish :-)
>
> I've not seen that one, i'll look out for it, nothing like fish
> names to get a laugh, is there?

I find it depends, myself. On what fish and where. 'Candiru' in his _In
Trouble Again_, for example. Much finnier (honest typo, that!) than
_Trawler_.

regards
sarah


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The Reids > wrote:

> Following up to sarah
>
> >I recommend Redmond O'Hanlon's _Trawler_. Not as blatantly funny as some
> >of his other travel books, but there are several passages featuring the
> >complicated names of fish :-)
>
> I've not seen that one, i'll look out for it, nothing like fish
> names to get a laugh, is there?

I find it depends, myself. On what fish and where. 'Candiru' in his _In
Trouble Again_, for example. Much finnier (honest typo, that!) than
_Trawler_.

regards
sarah


--
Think of it as evolution in action.

Following up to sarah

>> I've not seen that one, i'll look out for it, nothing like fish
>> names to get a laugh, is there?
>
>I find it depends, myself. On what fish and where. 'Candiru' in his _In
>Trouble Again_, for example. Much finnier (honest typo, that!) than
>_Trawler_.

did you know "oblade oblada" are names of the saddled bream in
French ans Spanish? Do you think Paul McCartney knew that?

"Rape" is an odd name for a fish until you realise its "rap-ay".
We seem to sell it in the shops as "monkfish" here. But Davidson
says "angelote" is spanish for "monkfish" and "rape" is
angler-fish. The angler fish being the one with the jaw and
fishing rod
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Following up to sarah

>> I've not seen that one, i'll look out for it, nothing like fish
>> names to get a laugh, is there?
>
>I find it depends, myself. On what fish and where. 'Candiru' in his _In
>Trouble Again_, for example. Much finnier (honest typo, that!) than
>_Trawler_.

did you know "oblade oblada" are names of the saddled bream in
French ans Spanish? Do you think Paul McCartney knew that?

"Rape" is an odd name for a fish until you realise its "rap-ay".
We seem to sell it in the shops as "monkfish" here. But Davidson
says "angelote" is spanish for "monkfish" and "rape" is
angler-fish. The angler fish being the one with the jaw and
fishing rod
--
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Following up to The Reids

>did you know "oblade oblada" are names of the saddled bream in
>French ans Spanish? Do you think Paul McCartney knew that?
>
>"Rape" is an odd name for a fish until you realise its "rap-ay".
>We seem to sell it in the shops as "monkfish" here. But Davidson
>says "angelote" is spanish for "monkfish" and "rape" is
>angler-fish. The angler fish being the one with the jaw and
>fishing rod

I meant to end that with "not many people know that" :-)
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Following up to The Reids

>did you know "oblade oblada" are names of the saddled bream in
>French ans Spanish? Do you think Paul McCartney knew that?
>
>"Rape" is an odd name for a fish until you realise its "rap-ay".
>We seem to sell it in the shops as "monkfish" here. But Davidson
>says "angelote" is spanish for "monkfish" and "rape" is
>angler-fish. The angler fish being the one with the jaw and
>fishing rod

I meant to end that with "not many people know that" :-)
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:36:02 +0100, The Reids wrote:

> Following up to Ian Northeast
>
>>I also have no idea
>>whether what the Mexicans call a Bass is the same thing or not. How big
>>is the fish in your picture? A Patagonian Toothfish (I like that name
>>because it is unambiguous) is pretty big. Much bigger than a Bass.
>
> The picture shows a deep bodied fish, probably two feet long, goldish in
> colour with pronounced scales.

According to
http://www.environmentalaction.net/a...hfish_bio.html
an adult is over a metre long. There are some pictures on the page off
the "Patagonian Toothfish conservation" link and they all look dark grey.
There is also a list of its names in various countries although it doesn't
mention "Icefish" or what the Mexicans call it. It does mention where it
can legally be caught too, but how are the staff in a supermarket going to
be able to tell you where it came from?

Technically I think "Icefish" refers to other species of very cold water
fish too, but it's what I've always seen the Toothfish referred to as in
this country in culinary terms.

Regards, Ian

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:36:02 +0100, The Reids wrote:

> Following up to Ian Northeast
>
>>I also have no idea
>>whether what the Mexicans call a Bass is the same thing or not. How big
>>is the fish in your picture? A Patagonian Toothfish (I like that name
>>because it is unambiguous) is pretty big. Much bigger than a Bass.
>
> The picture shows a deep bodied fish, probably two feet long, goldish in
> colour with pronounced scales.

According to
http://www.environmentalaction.net/a...hfish_bio.html
an adult is over a metre long. There are some pictures on the page off
the "Patagonian Toothfish conservation" link and they all look dark grey.
There is also a list of its names in various countries although it doesn't
mention "Icefish" or what the Mexicans call it. It does mention where it
can legally be caught too, but how are the staff in a supermarket going to
be able to tell you where it came from?

Technically I think "Icefish" refers to other species of very cold water
fish too, but it's what I've always seen the Toothfish referred to as in
this country in culinary terms.

Regards, Ian

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:36:02 +0100, The Reids wrote:

> Following up to Ian Northeast
>
>>I also have no idea
>>whether what the Mexicans call a Bass is the same thing or not. How big
>>is the fish in your picture? A Patagonian Toothfish (I like that name
>>because it is unambiguous) is pretty big. Much bigger than a Bass.
>
> The picture shows a deep bodied fish, probably two feet long, goldish in
> colour with pronounced scales.

According to
http://www.environmentalaction.net/a...hfish_bio.html
an adult is over a metre long. There are some pictures on the page off
the "Patagonian Toothfish conservation" link and they all look dark grey.
There is also a list of its names in various countries although it doesn't
mention "Icefish" or what the Mexicans call it. It does mention where it
can legally be caught too, but how are the staff in a supermarket going to
be able to tell you where it came from?

Technically I think "Icefish" refers to other species of very cold water
fish too, but it's what I've always seen the Toothfish referred to as in
this country in culinary terms.

Regards, Ian

The Reids > wrote:

> Following up to The Reids
>
> >did you know "oblade oblada" are names of the saddled bream in
> >French ans Spanish? Do you think Paul McCartney knew that?
> >
> >"Rape" is an odd name for a fish until you realise its "rap-ay".
> >We seem to sell it in the shops as "monkfish" here. But Davidson
> >says "angelote" is spanish for "monkfish" and "rape" is
> >angler-fish. The angler fish being the one with the jaw and
> >fishing rod
>
> I meant to end that with "not many people know that" :-)

You'd have been right. And there's a reason for that, you know...

regards
sarah


--
Think of it as evolution in action.

The Reids > wrote:

> Following up to The Reids
>
> >did you know "oblade oblada" are names of the saddled bream in
> >French ans Spanish? Do you think Paul McCartney knew that?
> >
> >"Rape" is an odd name for a fish until you realise its "rap-ay".
> >We seem to sell it in the shops as "monkfish" here. But Davidson
> >says "angelote" is spanish for "monkfish" and "rape" is
> >angler-fish. The angler fish being the one with the jaw and
> >fishing rod
>
> I meant to end that with "not many people know that" :-)

You'd have been right. And there's a reason for that, you know...

regards
sarah


--
Think of it as evolution in action.

Following up to sarah

>> I meant to end that with "not many people know that" :-)
>
>You'd have been right. And there's a reason for that, you know...

are we getting into "get a life" territory?
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Following up to sarah

>> I meant to end that with "not many people know that" :-)
>
>You'd have been right. And there's a reason for that, you know...

are we getting into "get a life" territory?
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Following up to Ian Northeast

>According to
>http://www.environmentalaction.net/a...hfish_bio.html
>an adult is over a metre long. There are some pictures on the page

looks nothing like the fish in my book. I'll scan it and post a
link. The quest goes on!
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Following up to Ian Northeast

>According to
>http://www.environmentalaction.net/a...hfish_bio.html
>an adult is over a metre long. There are some pictures on the page

looks nothing like the fish in my book. I'll scan it and post a
link. The quest goes on!
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

The Reids > wrote:

> Following up to sarah
>
> >> I meant to end that with "not many people know that" :-)
> >
> >You'd have been right. And there's a reason for that, you know...
>
> are we getting into "get a life" territory?

Not quite; I've been led to believe you have a life: don't lose it!


regards
sarah

--
Think of it as evolution in action.

The Reids > wrote:

> Following up to sarah
>
> >> I meant to end that with "not many people know that" :-)
> >
> >You'd have been right. And there's a reason for that, you know...
>
> are we getting into "get a life" territory?

Not quite; I've been led to believe you have a life: don't lose it!


regards
sarah

--
Think of it as evolution in action.

Following up to The Reids

>looks nothing like the fish in my book. I'll scan it and post a
>link. The quest goes on!

This is the Mexican sea bass in my book, looks more like a golden
version of a sea bass and fitting the description in the book
better?
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/seabass.htm"
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Following up to The Reids

>looks nothing like the fish in my book. I'll scan it and post a
>link. The quest goes on!

This is the Mexican sea bass in my book, looks more like a golden
version of a sea bass and fitting the description in the book
better?
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/seabass.htm"
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap