About 15 years ago, I thought I could go for 2 weeks without eating meat
for a diet. I didn't loose any weight but enjoyed the creative meals I
cooked so much that I still don't eat meat or crave it. The kitchen
stayed so clean! I I eat seafood and dairy as it is too much trouble to
plan meals or eat out othewise. As I see it, there is no right or wrong.
Where ever one wants to draw the line is a good thing, for health, the
planet, etc. I have since married a carnivore, but he won't eat veal.
That is his line.

At least he is humane enough to have a limit.
Some have none !

Jan Gardner wrote:

> About 15 years ago, I thought I could go for 2 weeks without eating meat
> for a diet. I didn't loose any weight but enjoyed the creative meals I
> cooked so much that I still don't eat meat or crave it. The kitchen
> stayed so clean! I I eat seafood and dairy as it is too much trouble to
> plan meals or eat out othewise. As I see it, there is no right or wrong.
> Where ever one wants to draw the line is a good thing, for health, the
> planet, etc. I have since married a carnivore, but he won't eat veal.
> That is his line.
>

"Jan Gardner" > wrote in message
...
> About 15 years ago, I thought I could go for 2 weeks without eating meat
> for a diet. I didn't loose any weight but enjoyed the creative meals I
> cooked so much that I still don't eat meat or crave it. The kitchen
> stayed so clean! I I eat seafood and dairy as it is too much trouble to
> plan meals or eat out othewise. As I see it, there is no right or wrong.
> Where ever one wants to draw the line is a good thing, for health, the
> planet, etc. I have since married a carnivore, but he won't eat veal.
> That is his line.
>

I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that vegetarians
do not eat seafood. Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no fish,
no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to commend a diet such as yours, but
it is not vegetarian.


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Peter Aitken wrote:

> "Jan Gardner" > wrote in message
> ...
> > About 15 years ago, I thought I could go for 2 weeks without eating meat
> > for a diet. I didn't loose any weight but enjoyed the creative meals I
> > cooked so much that I still don't eat meat or crave it. The kitchen
> > stayed so clean! I I eat seafood and dairy as it is too much trouble to
> > plan meals or eat out othewise. As I see it, there is no right or wrong.
> > Where ever one wants to draw the line is a good thing, for health, the
> > planet, etc. I have since married a carnivore, but he won't eat veal.
> > That is his line.
> >
>
> I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that vegetarians
> do not eat seafood. Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no fish,
> no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to commend a diet such as yours, but
> it is not vegetarian.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do not eat
red meat (only eat chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants offer
seafood dishes (like the moosewood)

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>Michael Ellis sprouted:
>
>Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do not
>eat
>red meat (only eat chicken or seafood).

The part of you that's vegetarian is your brain, it's a turnip.


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>> I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that vegetarians
>> do not eat seafood. Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no fish,
>> no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to commend a diet such as yours, but
>> it is not vegetarian.
>>
>
>Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do not eat
>red meat (only eat chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants offer
>seafood dishes (like the moosewood)

That's misuse of the term, and one which gives actual vegetarians many
problems. I used to be vegetarian, but I now eat fish, so I'm not one
anymore. Someone eating fish is not vegetarian, and people
misunderstanding an -ism does not make the -ism so. Try learning
something about what vegetarianism is about, not just the popular
misunderstanding of it.

If someone eating fish, but not meat wants a fancy label to wear, they
can call themselves "phescarian" or similar, but they shouldn't claim
to belong to an -ism which they don't, or hi-jack the name of that
-ism as their own.
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"Michael Ellis" > wrote in message
...
>
> > I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that
vegetarians
> > do not eat seafood. Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no
fish,
> > no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to commend a diet such as yours,
but
> > it is not vegetarian.
> >
> > --
> > Peter Aitken
>
> Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do
not eat
> red meat (only eat chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants
offer
> seafood dishes (like the moosewood)
>
> --
> Michael Ellis, IAPP
> Privacy Manager
> Date.com

From Websters!

One entry found for vegetarianism.


Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism
Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m
Function: noun
Date: circa 1851
: the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables , fruits,
grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products

>nikittariber gurgled:

Michael Ellis brayed
>
>>> I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that
>vegetarians
>>> do not eat seafood. Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no
>fish,
>>> no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to commend a diet such as yours,
>but
>>> it is not vegetarian.
>
>If someone eating fish, but not meat wants a fancy label to wear, they
>can call themselves "phescarian" or similar, but they shouldn't claim
>to belong to an -ism which they don't, or hi-jack the name of that
>-ism as their own.

Both of you are turnip brained imbeciles.


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>"Dimitri" wrote:
>
>"Michael Ellis"..
>>
>> > I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that
>vegetarians
>> > do not eat seafood. Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no
>fish,
>> > no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to commend a diet such as yours,
>but
>> > it is not vegetarian.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Peter Aitken
>>
>> Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do
>not eat
>> red meat (only eat chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants
>offer
>> seafood dishes (like the moosewood)
>>
>> --
>> Michael Ellis, IAPP
>> Privacy Manager
>> Date.com
>
>From Websters!
>
>One entry found for vegetarianism.
>
>
>Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism
>Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m
>Function: noun
>Date: circa 1851
>: the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables , fruits,
>grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products

Ellis thinks he's not an alcoholic because he only drinks beer... by the keg.

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"Michael Ellis" wrote in message ...
>
>
> Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do
not eat
> red meat (only eat chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants
offer
> seafood dishes (like the moosewood)
>

The term has become vegetarian meaningless as a result of this kind of
thinking. If someone eats animal products they are not a vegetarian it is
that simple. And no, that does not make one a vegan. Look it up.

I don't understand why people feel the need to refer to themselves as
vegetarians when they aren't. Is it the perceived "coolness" factor? To me
they just sound like morons when they try to argue the point. I could argue
all day long that I'm cool but it ain't gonna make it so. <g>

-Mike

"Dimitri" wrote in message
m...

> From Websters!
>
> One entry found for vegetarianism.
>
>
> Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism
> Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m
> Function: noun
> Date: circa 1851
> : the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables ,
fruits,
> grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products

I've seen this definition before. I'm still trying to figure out when those
"sometimes" are that eggs and dairy products are vegetables. <g>

-Mike

"Michael Ellis" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Peter Aitken wrote:
>
> > "Jan Gardner" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > About 15 years ago, I thought I could go for 2 weeks without eating
meat
> > > for a diet. I didn't loose any weight but enjoyed the creative meals I
> > > cooked so much that I still don't eat meat or crave it. The kitchen
> > > stayed so clean! I I eat seafood and dairy as it is too much trouble
to
> > > plan meals or eat out othewise. As I see it, there is no right or
wrong.
> > > Where ever one wants to draw the line is a good thing, for health, the
> > > planet, etc. I have since married a carnivore, but he won't eat veal.
> > > That is his line.
> > >
> >
> > I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that
vegetarians
> > do not eat seafood. Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no
fish,
> > no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to commend a diet such as yours,
but
> > it is not vegetarian.
> >
> > --
> > Peter Aitken
>
> Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do
not eat
> red meat (only eat chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants
offer
> seafood dishes (like the moosewood)
>
> --

You are right that many people use the term "vegetarian" that way, but it is
still wrong. Check a dictionary. For example, my Websters: "A person who
does not eat meat, fish, fowl." Unfortunately the term has been misused so
much that it is essentially meaningless. If someone says they are a
vegetarian about all you can assume is that they do not eat huge bloody
steaks!!


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Peter Aitken typed:
> If someone says they are a
> vegetarian about all you can assume is that they do not eat huge bloody
> steaks!!
>

(Quoting out of context)
Then *I* must be a vegetarian. I can't afford huge bloody steaks, so I don't
eat them, but give me a nice pork butt or brisket...

BOB

Many years ago I ran a vegan catering business. One day I was chatting
with my ad rep. She told me that she'd been vegetarian for 12 years. I
assumed that meant she ate no red meat, poultry, fish or shellfish but
that she did eat eggs and dairy since that's the standard definition I
learned from the dictionary. I told her I admired her but that I'd
never been completely vegetarian. I ate little meat, but I still ate
some. I'd even gone months as a vegetarian but had never stuck with it
longer than that. She accepted my compliment.

We kept chatting, and the subject turned to Thanksgiving. She was
making a feast for her extended family. I asked her about the main
course assuming that she wasn't serving turkey. Oh no, she ate turkey,
she told me. At first I thought she was joking, but she meant it quite
seriously. Apparently she's the sort of vegetarian who eats poultry and
fish.

At home my boyfriend and I joked about ovo-lacto vegetarians and
ovo-lacto-pesce-pollo-carne vegetarians. I'm still not sure why she
felt the need to use the term "vegetarian" to describe her eating
habits. To her it must mean that she likes vegetables or that she likes
identifying with the cool, New Age crowd of folks who share quasi
religious beliefs. I'm really not sure.

More recently I've noticed a similar switch in the meaning of the word
"fast." It should mean going for a length of time with no food or water
or at least with no food. Then I started hearing about "juice fasts"
which apparently means only fruit juices but no other food. Then that
became drinking anything, even whole fruits and vegetables that had been
pureed. Next step is a "fast" that means you can eat anything as long
as it fits through a straw including milk, smoothies made with grains,
vegetables, probably a 12 ounce steak that's been pulverized. I'm sure
it won't be long before I'm hearing about "fasts" that allow you to eat
that Thanksgiving turkey.

--Lia

"Mike Pearce" > wrote in message
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>
> "Dimitri" wrote in message
> m...
>
> > From Websters!
> >
> > One entry found for vegetarianism.
> >
> >
> > Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism
> > Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m
> > Function: noun
> > Date: circa 1851
> > : the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables ,
> fruits,
> > grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products
>
> I've seen this definition before. I'm still trying to figure out when
those
> "sometimes" are that eggs and dairy products are vegetables. <g>
>
> -Mike

Actually it comes from a better definition:

Dimitri

http://www.vegetarian-diet.info/vegetarians-types.htm

Definition of Vegetarian and Vegetarianism

There is no exact definition of the words 'vegetarian' or 'vegetarianism.'
They cover a wide range of meat-restricted eating habits.

In general, a vegetarian is someone whose diet omits animal products, but
some vegetarians do eat some meat-products (milk, eggs, meat fats) and some
vegetarians eat fish.

The strictest type of vegetarian is a 'vegan' who avoids all flesh as well
as all meat-by-products.

Main Types of Vegetarian and Vegetarianism

The most common types of vegetarian a

Semi or Part Vegetarians
Ovo-Lacto Vegetarians
Vegans
Macrobiotic & other Vegetarians

Vegetarian Health Note:
A balanced vegetarian diet is perfectly healthy and offers significant extra
health benefits over the average Western meat-eating diet.

The last category of vegetarians (Macrobiotic vegetarians etc) follow diets
that are not recommended by most nutritionists, as these vegetarian diets
lack certain nutrients. Exception is Pescetarians.

Mike Pearce wrote:

> "Dimitri" wrote in message
> m...
>
> > From Websters!
> >
> > One entry found for vegetarianism.
> >
> >
> > Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism
> > Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m
> > Function: noun
> > Date: circa 1851
> > : the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables ,
> fruits,
> > grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products
>
> I've seen this definition before. I'm still trying to figure out when those
> "sometimes" are that eggs and dairy products are vegetables. <g>
>
> -Mike

Hmm Ive heard that vegan applies to those that eat no dairy or eggs and
vegetarian for those that do. I never said that the terms were correct, just
that the popular definition of the term often includes seafood eaters, chicken,
etc

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PENMART01 wrote:

> >"Dimitri" wrote:
> >
> >"Michael Ellis"..
> >>
> >> > I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that
> >vegetarians
> >> > do not eat seafood. Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no
> >fish,
> >> > no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to commend a diet such as yours,
> >but
> >> > it is not vegetarian.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Peter Aitken
> >>
> >> Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do
> >not eat
> >> red meat (only eat chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants
> >offer
> >> seafood dishes (like the moosewood)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael Ellis, IAPP
> >> Privacy Manager
> >> Date.com
> >
> >From Websters!
> >
> >One entry found for vegetarianism.
> >
> >
> >Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism
> >Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m
> >Function: noun
> >Date: circa 1851
> >: the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables , fruits,
> >grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products
>
> Ellis thinks he's not an alcoholic because he only drinks beer... by the keg.
>
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Is there a reason why you must resort to personal insults? I dont actually drink
beer nor am I a vegetarian in any sense of the word

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In article <WEpLb.2567$8H.15543@attbi_s03>,
Julia Altshuler > wrote:
>
>At home my boyfriend and I joked about ovo-lacto vegetarians and
>ovo-lacto-pesce-pollo-carne vegetarians. I'm still not sure why she
>felt the need to use the term "vegetarian" to describe her eating
>habits. To her it must mean that she likes vegetables or that she likes
>identifying with the cool, New Age crowd of folks who share quasi
>religious beliefs. I'm really not sure.

This is why I don't label myself a vegeterian and just say that I prefer
not to eat meat. I cook no meat at home and 99% of the time when I go
out, I eat no meat. However, once in a while I'll go to someone's home
and they've prepared meat and I'm not comfortable in having people make
a separate course for me. Or once in a while I'll go out somewhere where
there really are no good veggie choices (example: My company holiday dinner
is tonight and we're going to a well-reputed local steak house...I doubt
they have any good vegeterian selections other then bland steamed
veggies on bad pasta). I feel guilty aftewards (my main reasons for not
eating meat are environmental and ethical, not really health related)
but I've come to the point that I'm comfortable with with my choices
in eating and don't turn them into dogma.

Hmm..I seem to have lost my point somewhere along the way. I guess it's
that as soon as you label yourself, you've opened yourself up to other
people's expectations. For example, as soon as someone says they are
a republican or a democrat, you have certain expectations about their
behaviour, lifestyle, and beliefs. Same goes with calling oneself a
vegetarian. Once you label yourself as one, everyone is going to have
their own expectations of what you do and do not eat.

~Deepak

--
Deepak Saxena -

>Same goes with calling oneself a
>vegetarian. Once you label yourself as one, everyone is going to have
>their own expectations of what you do and do not eat.
>
>~Deepak


What expectations... a vegetarian eats vegtables and doesn't eat meat. Duh...
nothing difficult about that concept.

Those who claim to be vegetarians but eat meat (animal protien/by-products),
regardless of whatever fercocktah rationalization, ARE vegetables.. leastways
they have a radish for a brain.



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In article > , "Dimitri"
> wrote:



> The strictest type of vegetarian is a 'vegan' who avoids all flesh as well
> as all meat-by-products.


I find the strictist diet to be a fruitarian. They not only don't eat any
meat products, but they won't eat any part of a plant where the plant has
to give up its life. They will only eat fruits, nuts and seeds.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article > , "Dimitri"
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> > The strictest type of vegetarian is a 'vegan' who avoids all flesh as
well
> > as all meat-by-products.
>
>
> I find the strictist diet to be a fruitarian. They not only don't eat any
> meat products, but they won't eat any part of a plant where the plant has
> to give up its life. They will only eat fruits, nuts and seeds.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Sonoma State University
> AIS
>

And all the time I thought you were talking about some of the people in West
Hollywood.

LOL

Dimitri

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...

> I find the strictist diet to be a fruitarian. They not only don't eat any
> meat products, but they won't eat any part of a plant where the plant has
> to give up its life. They will only eat fruits, nuts and seeds.

Ah. Cannibalism.....:-)

(I'm sorry, folks, I just could NOT resist!)


Bob M.

"Dimitri" > wrote in message .com>...
> "Mike Pearce" > wrote in message
> news:V0lLb.30597$JD6.17590@lakeread04...
> >
> > "Dimitri" wrote in message
> > m...
> >
> > > From Websters!
> > >
> > > One entry found for vegetarianism.
> > >
> > >
> > > Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism
> > > Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m
> > > Function: noun
> > > Date: circa 1851
> > > : the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables ,
> fruits,
> > > grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products
> >
> > I've seen this definition before. I'm still trying to figure out when
> those
> > "sometimes" are that eggs and dairy products are vegetables. <g>
> >
> > -Mike
>
> Actually it comes from a better definition:
>
> Dimitri
>
> http://www.vegetarian-diet.info/vegetarians-types.htm
>
> Definition of Vegetarian and Vegetarianism
>
> There is no exact definition of the words 'vegetarian' or 'vegetarianism.'
> They cover a wide range of meat-restricted eating habits.
>
> In general, a vegetarian is someone whose diet omits animal products, but
> some vegetarians do eat some meat-products (milk, eggs, meat fats) and some
> vegetarians eat fish.
>
> The strictest type of vegetarian is a 'vegan' who avoids all flesh as well
> as all meat-by-products.
>
> Main Types of Vegetarian and Vegetarianism
>
> The most common types of vegetarian a
>
> Semi or Part Vegetarians

IOW, NOT vegetarians.


-L.

Deepak Saxena wrote:

> Hmm..I seem to have lost my point somewhere along the way. I guess it's
> that as soon as you label yourself, you've opened yourself up to other
> people's expectations. For example, as soon as someone says they are
> a republican or a democrat, you have certain expectations about their
> behaviour, lifestyle, and beliefs. Same goes with calling oneself a
> vegetarian. Once you label yourself as one, everyone is going to have
> their own expectations of what you do and do not eat.


Yes. I agree. But I also think that labels and categories are useful.
For example, I'm not now vegetarian myself, but I'm fully capable of
putting together a good vegan or vegetarian meal for friends who are.
I'd certainly hope new friends would tell me they were vegetarian before
arriving at my home so I could plan the meal accordingly. Rather than
go through a long list of foods they'd rather not eat (beef, pork,
rabbit, duck, chicken, turkey, etc.), it is a lot easier if they say
"we're ovo-lacto vegetarians." That way I WOULD have an expectation of
what they do and do not eat, a fairly accurate one.

It is the same with folks who keep kosher. Taken individually, their
requests might sound random. Give me the umbrella term "kosher," and I
have a good idea of what that entails, maybe not exact since individuals
keep kosher to different degrees, but pretty close.

--Lia

to quote the late Mrs. Linda McCartney "if it has a face don't eat it"
vegetarians do not eat any meat, fish or fowl and vegans do not eat
the former OR any product with animal or dairy ingredients, and they
do not wear leather or suede or fur, the list is endless (well
nearly)i have two vegetarian daughters which is no hardship when it
comes to mealtimes but i do have a vegan niece and her mum was SO glad
when she married and left home!!!!!.

On 10 Jan 2004 15:21:21 -0800, (paula) wrote:

>to quote the late Mrs. Linda McCartney "if it has a face don't eat it"
>vegetarians do not eat any meat, fish or fowl and vegans do not eat
>the former OR any product with animal or dairy ingredients, and they
>do not wear leather or suede or fur, the list is endless (well
>nearly)i have two vegetarian daughters which is no hardship when it
>comes to mealtimes but i do have a vegan niece and her mum was SO glad
>when she married and left home!!!!!.

I knew someone whose young'un wouldn't eat anything "cute" -- fish,
chicken and beef OK; lamb veal, rabbit, and duck (and oddly, goose)
verbotten.

With all the food limits we harbor for taste, ethical, religious,
diet, and health reasons, the various flavors of vegetarianism are
hardly bizarre.

>
>I knew someone whose young'un wouldn't eat anything "cute" -- fish,
>chicken and beef OK; lamb veal, rabbit, and duck (and oddly, goose)
>verbotten.


What, so cows aren't cute?

;-p

In article >,
(paula) wrote:

> to quote the late Mrs. Linda McCartney "if it has a face don't eat it"
> vegetarians do not eat any meat, fish or fowl

My sister uses that phrase. I've never asked her, but does that mean that
they eat clams and such?

--
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Sonoma State University
AIS

While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Dan Abel of Sonoma State
University said:

>> to quote the late Mrs. Linda McCartney "if it has a face don't eat it"
>> vegetarians do not eat any meat, fish or fowl
>
>My sister uses that phrase. I've never asked her, but does that mean that
>they eat clams and such?

No. It just means that simplification, and especially making handy
phrases, tends to happen at the cost of accuracy.
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:06:57 -0800, (Dan Abel) wrote:

>In article >,
(paula) wrote:
>
>> to quote the late Mrs. Linda McCartney "if it has a face don't eat it"
>> vegetarians do not eat any meat, fish or fowl
>
>My sister uses that phrase. I've never asked her, but does that mean that
>they eat clams and such?

clams may not have much of a face, but they do have beards.

your pal,
blake

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
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> "Mike Pearce" > wrote in message
> news:V0lLb.30597$JD6.17590@lakeread04...
> >
> > "Dimitri" wrote in message
> > m...
> >
> > > From Websters!
> > >
> > > One entry found for vegetarianism.
> > >
> > >
> > > Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism
> > > Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m
> > > Function: noun
> > > Date: circa 1851
> > > : the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables ,
> > fruits,
> > > grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products
> >
> > I've seen this definition before. I'm still trying to figure out when
> those
> > "sometimes" are that eggs and dairy products are vegetables. <g>
> >
> > -Mike
>
> Actually it comes from a better definition:
>
> Dimitri
>
> http://www.vegetarian-diet.info/vegetarians-types.htm
>
> Definition of Vegetarian and Vegetarianism
>
> There is no exact definition of the words 'vegetarian' or 'vegetarianism.'
> They cover a wide range of meat-restricted eating habits.
>
> In general, a vegetarian is someone whose diet omits animal products, but
> some vegetarians do eat some meat-products (milk, eggs, meat fats) and
some
> vegetarians eat fish.
>
> The strictest type of vegetarian is a 'vegan' who avoids all flesh as well
> as all meat-by-products.
>
> Main Types of Vegetarian and Vegetarianism
>
> The most common types of vegetarian a
>
> Semi or Part Vegetarians
> Ovo-Lacto Vegetarians
> Vegans
> Macrobiotic & other Vegetarians
>
> Vegetarian Health Note:
> A balanced vegetarian diet is perfectly healthy and offers significant
extra
> health benefits over the average Western meat-eating diet.
>
> The last category of vegetarians (Macrobiotic vegetarians etc) follow
diets
> that are not recommended by most nutritionists, as these vegetarian diets
> lack certain nutrients. Exception is Pescetarians.
>
>
Vegan:
a strict vegetarian who consumes no animal food or dairy products; also :
one who abstains from using animal products (as leather

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> >
> Vegan:
> a strict vegetarian who consumes no animal food or dairy products; also :
> one who abstains from using animal products (as leather
>
Vegan: One who always seems to have some sort of deficiency in their health,
due to a lack of protein in their diets.

I don't know any Vegans who are perfectly healthy.

Kswck wrote:

> <snip>
>
> > >
> > Vegan:
> > a strict vegetarian who consumes no animal food or dairy products; also :
> > one who abstains from using animal products (as leather
> >
> Vegan: One who always seems to have some sort of deficiency in their health,
> due to a lack of protein in their diets.
>
> I don't know any Vegans who are perfectly healthy.

Hmm I know a few vegans who were ordered by their doctors to eat meat, and they
happily did, since they had a excuse now
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>"Kswck" wrote:
>
>> Vegan:
>> a strict vegetarian who consumes no animal food or dairy products; also :
>> one who abstains from using animal products (as leather
>>
>Vegan: One who always seems to have some sort of deficiency in their health,
>due to a lack of protein in their diets.
>
>I don't know any Vegans who are perfectly healthy.

All vegans, and others of their ilk [ie. those with similar eating disorders]
suffer mental illness. Homo sapiens are omniverous, to deny this scientific
fact by ones dietary regimen is indicative of a severe and life threatening
psychosis.


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