alzelt > wrote:
>Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>> "The salmon farming industry points out that all the
>> pollutant levels are well within the FDA's legal limits
>> and says other foods eaten far more often, such as beef,
>> are greater sources of exposure."
>I find it wonderful that you can accept the FDA as THE final word. With
>their checkered past, that is a leap of faith, similar in nature to
>walking off the Golden Gate Bridge.

I don't accept them as the final word. But in this case,
the word of an "independent" lab is no better than the
word of an "independent" lobbyist.

I do take it on faith that if the FDA is ****ing us, we'll
**** them, like we have every other time they've ****ed us.

--Blair
"Confederacy of dunces and all."

Blair P. Houghton wrote:

> alzelt > wrote:
>
>>Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>>
>>>"The salmon farming industry points out that all the
>>>pollutant levels are well within the FDA's legal limits
>>>and says other foods eaten far more often, such as beef,
>>>are greater sources of exposure."
>>
>>I find it wonderful that you can accept the FDA as THE final word. With
>>their checkered past, that is a leap of faith, similar in nature to
>>walking off the Golden Gate Bridge.
>
>
> I don't accept them as the final word. But in this case,
> the word of an "independent" lab is no better than the
> word of an "independent" lobbyist.
>
> I do take it on faith that if the FDA is ****ing us, we'll
> **** them, like we have every other time they've ****ed us.
>
> --Blair
> "Confederacy of dunces and all."
That you call an independent lab a lobbyist is rather ironic when you
say you will get even if the FDA ****s you. Why can you accept that the
FDA is honest and an independent lab is not? It is just possible that
you have walked so far out on the ledge in your support of farmed salmon
that you are now airborn!!
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

alzelt > wrote:
>That you call an independent lab a lobbyist is rather ironic when you
>say you will get even if the FDA ****s you.

I have authority over the FDA. I have no authority over
a publicity hound like David Suzuki or anyone who would
perform an experiment at his behest.

>Why can you accept that the
>FDA is honest and an independent lab is not?

I already said I don't take anythting at face value, whether
it's a government lab or a private lab. Or don't you read?

>It is just possible that
>you have walked so far out on the ledge in your support of farmed salmon
> that you are now airborn!!

I think you need to take a couple of alfredo sauce pills
and call your mommy in the morning.

--Blair
"Cuz she might care."

Check it out in the Express News of Riverside California. Originally a
report on the disposal of pound and Humane socieity kills.

Cate wrote:

> wrote in news:03oLb.1118$Ix.754
> @newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>
>>Not only more dioxins but they are fed pellets made up of rendered
>>bodies of cats and dogs and road kill. This mix is sold to farmers who
>>raise the salmon on the east coast and to the chinese and thailand
>>farmers of shellfish such as shrimp.
>>All the non-wild fish and shell fish are fed this mix.
>>Well now you get to enjoy fido and fluffy twice.
>
>
> Cite, please.
>
> Thanks,
> Cate
>

wrote in news:QChMb.5587$zj7.2155
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> Check it out in the Express News of Riverside California. Originally a
> report on the disposal of pound and Humane socieity kills.

I can't find the article you're referring to. Please be so kind as to
provide the URL. Thanks.

Cate

On 11 Jan 2004 19:45:55 GMT, Cate >
wrote:

wrote in news:QChMb.5587$zj7.2155
:
>
>> Check it out in the Express News of Riverside California.
Originally a
>> report on the disposal of pound and Humane socieity kills.
>
>I can't find the article you're referring to. Please be so kind as to
>provide the URL. Thanks.
>
>Cate
I am interested too and could further research it if we had the URL as
I know people in various Humane Societies. Off hand I would sincerely
doubt the validity of the initial poster's comment. There are a lot
of weird people in this world who believe that Humane Societies want
to do the wrong thing.
aloha,
Thunder
http://www.smithfarms.com
Farmers & Sellers of 100%
Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff

Cate wrote:
> wrote in news:QChMb.5587$zj7.2155
> @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> Check it out in the Express News of Riverside California.
>> Originally a report on the disposal of pound and Humane socieity
>> kills.
>
> I can't find the article you're referring to. Please be so kind as to
> provide the URL. Thanks.

Cate, the link you provided earlier mentioned Render magazine. i was able
to find that on-line, and this editorial:

http://www.rendermagazine.com/Februa...theEditor.html

"Socks" > wrote in
:

> Cate, the link you provided earlier mentioned Render magazine. i was
> able to find that on-line, and this editorial:
>
> http://www.rendermagazine.com/Februa...theEditor.html

Thanks--I didn't notice that link. However, it's merely an editorial
scolding a St. Louis tv station for an incomplete (the editorial doesn't
even address whether it was inaccurate) report on rendering the carcasses
of former pet animals.

Cate

smithfarms pure kona > wrote in
:

> I am interested too and could further research it if we had the URL as
> I know people in various Humane Societies. Off hand I would sincerely
> doubt the validity of the initial poster's comment. There are a lot
> of weird people in this world who believe that Humane Societies want
> to do the wrong thing.

Humane societies, shelters, SPCAs, etc, of course don't all act in concert,
but many, many of them do indeed dispose of euthanized animals via
contracts with rendering companies. I don't want to think about where that
rendered product goes, but I can't believe that renderers are going to
perform that service, get a product out of it, and then throw that product
away.

What I've never been able to see documented is proof that the product of
that rendering process winds up in anything commercially prepared to be
eaten by us or our pets.

If it's out there, I definitely want to see it. And the onus is on the
person insisting it *is* out there to provide the cite.

Cate

On 12 Jan 2004 15:24:47 GMT, Cate >
wrote:

>smithfarms pure kona > wrote in
:
>
>> I am interested too and could further research it if we had the URL
as
>> I know people in various Humane Societies. Off hand I would
sincerely
>> doubt the validity of the initial poster's comment. There are a
lot
>> of weird people in this world who believe that Humane Societies
want
>> to do the wrong thing.
>
>Humane societies, shelters, SPCAs, etc, of course don't all act in
concert,
>but many, many of them do indeed dispose of euthanized animals via
>contracts with rendering companies. I don't want to think about where
that
>rendered product goes, but I can't believe that renderers are going
to
>perform that service, get a product out of it, and then throw that
product
>away.
>
>What I've never been able to see documented is proof that the product
of
>that rendering process winds up in anything commercially prepared to
be
>eaten by us or our pets.
>
>If it's out there, I definitely want to see it. And the onus is on
the
>person insisting it *is* out there to provide the cite.
>
>Cate
My point too. Not that rendering does not occur in certain locales,
but becoming farmed salmon food- I doubt it.
aloha Thunder
http://www.smithfarms.com
Farmers & Sellers of 100%
Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff

Cate wrote:

> What I've never been able to see documented is proof that the product
> of that rendering process winds up in anything commercially prepared
> to be eaten by us or our pets.

we know that some renderers recieve pets, and we know that the output from
some renderers goes to pet food:

"U.S. beef processing plants typically send renderers cattle parts that are
unfit for food. This unwanted material can then be processed into a variety
of other products, such as pet food and animal feed."

http://www.agriculture.com/default.s...___51074 ___1

i guess we'd like assurance that those are two completely different sets of
renderers .. but given that this is "a touchy subject even among renderers"
i doubt we'll get it.

wrote:
> I don't know how you can compare farmed seafood with wild seafood. You

How would you know, Mr. vegeterian-since-birth?

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

saw a documentary tonight about farmed salmon and from now on it is a
no no.each salmon has the equivalent of a bath tub of water to swim in
and the ammount of nasties they are fed would put you off for life.one
of the top chefs said he would not let any of his family eat it nor
would he feed it to his restaurant guests.the crap they are fed is so
bad that an average of six salmon pieces per year is enough to give
the average person cancer.

(paula) wrote in
om:

> the crap they are fed is so
> bad that an average of six salmon pieces per year is enough to give
> the average person cancer.

Puh-leeze. Do you have any idea just how much grocery store fish is from
farms? By your count, most of the non-coastal US should be dead from cancer
by now.

Cate

"WiScottsin" > wrote in message
...
>
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> news:YPoLb.2727$sv6.9664@attbi_s52...
> > On 2004-01-09, > wrote:
> > > Not only more dioxins but they are fed pellets made up of rendered
> > > bodies of cats and dogs and road kill.
> >
> > This is total crap! Salmon are fed fish protein ...one of the reasons
> > farmed salmon are not really eco-friendly.
> >
> > The main problem is simply too many people ...period! Thanks to the
Pope
> > and other cheaper-by-the-dozen cultures, were overgrazing the world
> pasture.
> >
> > We need a good plague, or two. Or, put some of that bio-engineering to
> good
> > use and give the human race a lemming gene.
> >
> > "Hey guys, what say we try bungee jumping without the bungee!!?".
> >
> > nb
>
> As off the wall as NotBob may seem, there is some truth to what he says.
> The fact of nature is that when we do become overpopulated, natural
controls
> will eventually take over - plagues, death, etc...
>
>
"This is total crap! Salmon are fed fish protein "

I thought mad cow came about by feeding cows to cows; now you're saying
salmon are fed fish????

Whoa!
Dee

"hahabogus" > wrote in message
...
> MEow > wrote in
> :
>
> > While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, alzelt of AT&T Worldnet
> > said:
> >
> >>So, eat other fish or wild salmon.
> >
> > How do I know if the salmon I buy is wild?
>
> If it says Atlantic Salmon it is farmed.
>
> --
> Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on nothing but food
> and water.
> --------
> FIELDS, W. C.

<snip>How do I know if the salmon I buy is wild? <snip>

I believe that Sockeye (canned) Salmon is wild. I know that most people are
against canned goods, and in particular canned salmon, but I prefer this
salmon to the fresh 'farmed' salmon sold in supermarkets. There are several
ways you can use it, but I don't have it so often that I tire of baked
salmon (using a made-up recipe like meat-loaf using what vegs you have on
hand) and fried in skillet with added ingredients.

Bumble Bee Alaska Sockey Red Salmon is what I use. Recipes are at
www.bumblebee.com



Dee

"kilikini" > wrote in message
...
> (snip)
> >
> > This will unleash a flood of "I told ya so" posts.
> >
> > Fish farming is necessary if we are going to continue to eat fish. I
wish
> > the anti-farming side would put their energy into creating a better way
to
> > farm fish rather than just trying to eliminate the idea.
> >
> > On the good side, it's a wake up call, much like the mad cow episode of
> > late, to tighten up and improve conditions. Of course, alarmists will
be
> > alarmists.
> >
> > Jaquaculture
> >
>
> I hear ya, Jack, and I concur. I figure, we're all going to die from
> something someday anyway. If we have to farm our seafood (shellfish and
> fish) because we're over-populated and depleted our waters, so be it. It
> still tastes good.
>
> Okay, flamers, go ahead......
>
> kili
>
>

You say,
"I figure, we're all going to die from
> something someday anyway."

If one has the choice to injest or not injest a product of probable
consequence, why be so cavalier about dying as a result of injesting it? I
hope this philosophy isn't meant for others to follow.

"Cate" > wrote in message
...
> (paula) wrote in
> om:
>
> > the crap they are fed is so
> > bad that an average of six salmon pieces per year is enough to give
> > the average person cancer.
>
> Puh-leeze. Do you have any idea just how much grocery store fish is from
> farms? By your count, most of the non-coastal US should be dead from
cancer
> by now.
>
> Cate
>

I've read recently that 40% persons die now of cancer. It would be
interesting to see how many, more or less, live coastal or non-coastal.

However, I don't know that non-coastalm as distinguished from coastal,
should/or would enter into that ratio or percentage as I believe most
coastal persons are eating farmed fish also.

Dee

Dee Randall > wrote:
>I thought mad cow came about by feeding cows to cows; now you're saying
>salmon are fed fish????

And Soylent Green is people.

--Blair
"You got a problem wit' dat?"

While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Dee Randall of Posted via
Supernews, http://www.supernews.com said:

><snip>How do I know if the salmon I buy is wild? <snip>
>
>I believe that Sockeye (canned) Salmon is wild. I know that most people are
>against canned goods, and in particular canned salmon, but I prefer this
>salmon to the fresh 'farmed' salmon sold in supermarkets. There are several
>ways you can use it, but I don't have it so often that I tire of baked
>salmon (using a made-up recipe like meat-loaf using what vegs you have on
>hand) and fried in skillet with added ingredients.
>
There isn't much of a market for canned salmon here, because of how
easy it is to get it fresh. I'd just like to know how to tell if the
fresh salmon I buy is farmed or wild.
--
Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18
ICQ# 251532856
Unreferenced footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN
"There is scarcely a business or industry left that could
understand the concept of shame even if they looked it up in a
dictionary." Eric Walker (AUE)

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:19:07 +0100, MEow >
wrote:

>While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Dee Randall of Posted
via
>Supernews, http://www.supernews.com said:
>
>><snip>How do I know if the salmon I buy is wild? <snip>
>>
>>I believe that Sockeye (canned) Salmon is wild. I know that most
people are
>>against canned goods, and in particular canned salmon, but I prefer
this
>>salmon to the fresh 'farmed' salmon sold in supermarkets. There are
several
>>ways you can use it, but I don't have it so often that I tire of
baked
>>salmon (using a made-up recipe like meat-loaf using what vegs you
have on
>>hand) and fried in skillet with added ingredients.
>>
>There isn't much of a market for canned salmon here, because of how
>easy it is to get it fresh. I'd just like to know how to tell if the
>fresh salmon I buy is farmed or wild.


I have found that it will say "Farm" or "Farmed" on the package. If
wild, it would certainly say wild. I have bought the COSTCO frozen
salmon fillets and it definitely says "Farm".
aloha, Thunder
http://www.smithfarms.com
Farmers & Sellers of 100%
Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff

While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, smithfarms pure kona of
smithfarms pure kona said:

>I have found that it will say "Farm" or "Farmed" on the package. If
>wild, it would certainly say wild. I have bought the COSTCO frozen
>salmon fillets and it definitely says "Farm".

Unfortunately, it doesn't here.
--
Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18
ICQ# 251532856
Unreferenced footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN
"There is scarcely a business or industry left that could
understand the concept of shame even if they looked it up in a
dictionary." Eric Walker (AUE)

smithfarms pure kona > wrote in
:

> I have found that it will say "Farm" or "Farmed" on the package. If
> wild, it would certainly say wild. I have bought the COSTCO frozen
> salmon fillets and it definitely says "Farm".
> aloha, Thunder
> http://www.smithfarms.com
> Farmers & Sellers of 100%
> Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff
>

The majority of farmed salmon is Atlantic Salmon. And since all Atlantic
Salmon is Farmed (none in the Wild), avoid that type. Another way to
reconize it is to check the price and ask. The cheap stuff is probably
farmed. In restaurants unless stated it'll be Atlantic Salmon. Canned
sockeye, being considered a less desirable breed, is wild. If buying
fillets, the younger the fish (smaller in size) the less concentrated the
pollutants.

--
Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on nothing but food
and water.
--------
FIELDS, W. C.

Dee Randall wrote:

> "This is total crap! Salmon are fed fish protein "
>
> I thought mad cow came about by feeding cows to cows; now you're saying
> salmon are fed fish????

What else would they eat? Cats and rabbits aren't known for their underwater
excursions.

--
Darryl L. Pierce >
Visit the Infobahn Offramp - <http://mypage.org/mcpierce>
"What do you care what other people think, Mr. Feynman?"

Looks like this fish has some contaminant problems, too.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3949110/

Dee

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
.com...
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins
and
> other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
> wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around
the
> world.
>
> Full story:
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html
>
> --
> Peter Aitken
>
> Remove the crap from my email address before using.
>
>

"hahabogus" > wrote in message
...
> smithfarms pure kona > wrote in
> :
>
> > I have found that it will say "Farm" or "Farmed" on the package. If
> > wild, it would certainly say wild. I have bought the COSTCO frozen
> > salmon fillets and it definitely says "Farm".
> > aloha, Thunder
> > http://www.smithfarms.com
> > Farmers & Sellers of 100%
> > Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff
> >
>
> The majority of farmed salmon is Atlantic Salmon. And since all Atlantic
> Salmon is Farmed (none in the Wild), avoid that type. Another way to
> reconize it is to check the price and ask. The cheap stuff is probably
> farmed. In restaurants unless stated it'll be Atlantic Salmon. Canned
> sockeye, being considered a less desirable breed, is wild. If buying
> fillets, the younger the fish (smaller in size) the less concentrated the
> pollutants.
>

You say,
Canned sockeye, being considered a less desirable breed, is wild.

Hello, I'm wondering why you say, sockeye is considered a less desirable
breed. I hope you don't say anything that will turn me off eating it.

Thanks,
dee

"Dee Randall" > wrote in
:

>
> "hahabogus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> smithfarms pure kona > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > I have found that it will say "Farm" or "Farmed" on the package.
>> > If wild, it would certainly say wild. I have bought the COSTCO
>> > frozen salmon fillets and it definitely says "Farm".
>> > aloha, Thunder
>> > http://www.smithfarms.com
>> > Farmers & Sellers of 100%
>> > Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff
>> >
>>
>> The majority of farmed salmon is Atlantic Salmon. And since all
>> Atlantic Salmon is Farmed (none in the Wild), avoid that type.
>> Another way to reconize it is to check the price and ask. The cheap
>> stuff is probably farmed. In restaurants unless stated it'll be
>> Atlantic Salmon. Canned sockeye, being considered a less desirable
>> breed, is wild. If buying fillets, the younger the fish (smaller in
>> size) the less concentrated the pollutants.
>>
>
> You say,
> Canned sockeye, being considered a less desirable breed, is wild.
>
> Hello, I'm wondering why you say, sockeye is considered a less
> desirable breed. I hope you don't say anything that will turn me off
> eating it.
>
> Thanks,
> dee
>
>
>

Being less desirable...it is cheaper to buy for the canneries. Thus more
readily liked by them. Why can a fish you'd get more money for fresh?...is
their thinking.

--
Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on nothing but food
and water.
--------
FIELDS, W. C.

"Peter Aitken" >, citing the Rules of Acquisition
to rec.food.cooking, says...

> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins
> and
> other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
> wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around
> the
> world.
>
> Full story:
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html
>
> --
> Peter Aitken


You might also be interested in this article:
"Are You Eating Cancerous [sic] Salmon?"
<http://www.techcentralstation.com/011404A.html>

An excerpt:

<<But these fears have fallen on largely deaf ears. So what to do? "Green
groups were getting frustrated because they have not been able to make
the case to the public that fish farming is very harmful to the
environment," speculates Purdue University toxicologist Charles Santerre.
"So their next strategy is to go after farmed salmon on the basis of food
safety and nutrition."

And it's a tried and true strategy. By alarming consumers, some green
groups hope to destroy, or at least limit, salmon farming. The first
"study" seeking contaminants in farmed salmon was done in 2001 by Michael
Easton, president of the for-profit International EcoGen company and was
commissioned by the environmentalist David Suzuki Foundation in British
Columbia. Easton tested 8 salmon, 4 farmed and 4 wild and found that the
farmed salmon contained 51,216 parts of trillion of PCBs versus 5,302
parts per trillion PCBs in the wild salmon -- nearly ten times more.

But hold on -- what does that mean? The U.S. Food and Drug Administration
(FDA) limits the amount of PCBs in all fish to 2 parts per million. It
turns out that Easton's farmed salmon contained only 0.05 parts per
million. To get a sense of the magnitudes being considered here, one part
per million compares to 1 inch in 16 miles, and one part per trillion
compares 1 inch in 16 million miles (600 times around the earth). Earlier
in 2003, the Washington-based environmental advocacy organization, the
Environmental Working Group, publicized a similar study, testing 10 fish
in which similar levels of PCBs were found in farmed salmon.>>

If you want to worry about dioxin in salmon, go ahead. I suspect there
are probably other things more worthy of your attention.

............Karl

Dee Randall wrote:
> "hahabogus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> smithfarms pure kona > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> I have found that it will say "Farm" or "Farmed" on the package. If
>>> wild, it would certainly say wild. I have bought the COSTCO frozen
>>> salmon fillets and it definitely says "Farm".
>>> aloha, Thunder
>>> http://www.smithfarms.com
>>> Farmers & Sellers of 100%
>>> Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff
>>>
>>
>> The majority of farmed salmon is Atlantic Salmon. And since all
>> Atlantic Salmon is Farmed (none in the Wild), avoid that type.
>> Another way to reconize it is to check the price and ask. The cheap
>> stuff is probably farmed. In restaurants unless stated it'll be
>> Atlantic Salmon. Canned sockeye, being considered a less desirable
>> breed, is wild. If buying fillets, the younger the fish (smaller in
>> size) the less concentrated the pollutants.
>>
>
> You say,
> Canned sockeye, being considered a less desirable breed, is wild.
>
> Hello, I'm wondering why you say, sockeye is considered a less
> desirable breed. I hope you don't say anything that will turn me off
> eating it.
>
> Thanks,
> dee
Sockeye is not farmed so if you see it it is wild.
As to it being a 'less desirable breed' that is a matter of taste. For my
money it is one of the best, either canned or fresh.
'Quick and delicious batchelor sockeye'.
On a microwave safe plate place a meal sized piece of Sockeye (fillet or
steak).
Add a pat of butter, a tablespoon of lemon juice and a teaspoon of good
quality soy sauce.
Sprig of fresh dill optional.
Cover with plastic wrap.
Microwave on a low setting, checking constantly until almost done.
Allow to rest for five minutes.
Serve with rice.
Enjoy.
Ken.

"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
...
> Looks like this fish has some contaminant problems, too.
>
> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3949110/
>

That fish she not, she is a mammal, man!

pavane

"Dee Randall" > wrote in
:

> However, I don't know that non-coastalm as distinguished from coastal,
> should/or would enter into that ratio or percentage as I believe most
> coastal persons are eating farmed fish also.

You're may be right. I know the mid-range chains around here (Baltimore)
sell some farmed fish--although I've asked, and some of it is caught
cheaply in other countries and flash frozen and shipped here.

Now that I live here (as opposed to upstate NY, where all I could get was
farmed) I don't buy that stuff anymore. It's fresh or nothing.

Cate

"Darryl L. Pierce" > wrote in message ws.com>...
> wrote:
>
> > Take a look at the "legal" limits. I don't think a sane person would
> > want to expose themselves to this much risk.
> > It is your life, after all, so enjoy your tainted fish and meats.
> > Do a Google search...almost any can.
>
> Hell, maybe we'll even bake them on aluminum sheets too. Live life on the
> edge!

And serve them with achiote - steamed of course and with a tofu dip!

Sandi

"pavane" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Looks like this fish has some contaminant problems, too.
> >
> > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3949110/
> >
>
> That fish she not, she is a mammal, man!
>
> pavane
>
>

Mammal or fish -- she has been eating some contaminated fishies. Is there a
parallel here?

Dee

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:08:36 GMT, smithfarms pure kona
> wrote:

> I have bought the COSTCO frozen
> salmon fillets and it definitely says "Farm".

You made me look.

Mine says Fresh Farmed Atlantic Salmon. Holy Cow! That's a
whole continent away. What are yours - Atlantic or Pacific
salmon?


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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:58:01 GMT, "Darryl L. Pierce"
> wrote:

> Dee Randall wrote:
>
> > "This is total crap! Salmon are fed fish protein "
> >
> > I thought mad cow came about by feeding cows to cows; now you're saying
> > salmon are fed fish????
>
> What else would they eat? Cats and rabbits aren't known for their underwater
> excursions.

Salmon is a predator fish... but this is an interesting
tidbit about farmed salmon:

http://www.salmonfarmers.org/industry/marine.html
Do farmed salmon eat wild fish and invertebrates?

Text:
Salmon are grown in net cages that are open to the ocean
environment, and many species of invertebrates and fish
float or swim through them. In fact, the nets and other
farm structures act like an artificial reef, and many
species are attracted to this habitat. Studies have shown,
however, that farmed salmon eat very little wild feed, even
though they have access to species that are normally part of
the diet of wild salmon. This is because farmed salmon are
fed as much food as they want to consume in the form of
pellets throughout their lives. In one study, only 1% of
farmed salmon were found to have any fish in their stomachs,
and the small amounts of invertebrates they had consumed
were primarily the types growing on the farm nets. The
total amount of wild food consumed by a farmed fish was
found to be less than 1% of a wild salmon's normal daily
intake (Black et al., 1992). Even hungry farmed fish have
been found to consume only small volumes of wild feed
(Lasic, 1996), making it clear that these fish are not
significant competitors for food with wild fish stocks.




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On 15 Jan 2004 03:17:26 GMT, Cate
> wrote:

> "Dee Randall" > wrote in
> :
>
> > However, I don't know that non-coastalm as distinguished from coastal,
> > should/or would enter into that ratio or percentage as I believe most
> > coastal persons are eating farmed fish also.
>
> You're may be right. I know the mid-range chains around here (Baltimore)
> sell some farmed fish--although I've asked, and some of it is caught
> cheaply in other countries and flash frozen and shipped here.
>
> Now that I live here (as opposed to upstate NY, where all I could get was
> farmed) I don't buy that stuff anymore. It's fresh or nothing.
>
Picking nits here... Let's assume they are both "fresh".
Wild vs. farmed is the general drift of this thread.


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MEow > wrote in
:

> There isn't much of a market for canned salmon here, because of how
> easy it is to get it fresh. I'd just like to know how to tell if the
> fresh salmon I buy is farmed or wild.

If it's being sold at a seafood counter, ask the staff there. If they don't
know, caveat emptor.

Cate

sf > wrote in news:tecc00lev7jdeft9io6l9vil7932s8u515@
4ax.com:

> Picking nits here... Let's assume they are both "fresh".
> Wild vs. farmed is the general drift of this thread.

You're right: I should've said 'it's fresh caught (locally or near-locally)
or nothing.'

Cate

While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Cate of Your Company
said:

>If it's being sold at a seafood counter, ask the staff there. If they don't
>know, caveat emptor.
>
Good point, or maybe I'd have more chance of them knowing if I could
find a fish-shop, though I've never seen one in Sweden, but I've only
lived here for a year and a half, so seeking for one might help.
There's plenty fish-shops in Denmark, but I've never seen one single
Fish-shop in Sweden. OTOH, I've never seen a counter for fresh fish in
a Danish supermarket, so that might explain things... Oh, I digress.
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S.Dunlap wrote:

>> > Take a look at the "legal" limits. I don't think a sane person would
>> > want to expose themselves to this much risk.
>> > It is your life, after all, so enjoy your tainted fish and meats.
>> > Do a Google search...almost any can.
>>
>> Hell, maybe we'll even bake them on aluminum sheets too. Live life on the
>> edge!
>
> And serve them with achiote - steamed of course and with a tofu dip!

Would have a cigarette afterwards be going too far?

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