WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins and
other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around the
world.

Full story:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html

--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

Not only more dioxins but they are fed pellets made up of rendered
bodies of cats and dogs and road kill. This mix is sold to farmers who
raise the salmon on the east coast and to the chinese and thailand
farmers of shellfish such as shrimp.
All the non-wild fish and shell fish are fed this mix.
Well now you get to enjoy fido and fluffy twice.
Matt

Peter Aitken wrote:

> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins and
> other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
> wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around the
> world.
>
> Full story:
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html
>

Quoting from _Scientific_American_, April 1997, page 28:

"Because the [PrP] protein may, in rare circumstances,
be able to convert to an infectious form, farm-raised salmon,
like beef, could in theory pose a public health threat."

This article is commenting on the discovery that salmon
brains also contain the PrP protein, which has both a
normal form and an abnormal form, the latter of which
is responsible for Mad Cow Disease.

On 2004-01-09, > wrote:
> Not only more dioxins but they are fed pellets made up of rendered
> bodies of cats and dogs and road kill.

This is total crap! Salmon are fed fish protein ...one of the reasons
farmed salmon are not really eco-friendly.

The main problem is simply too many people ...period! Thanks to the Pope
and other cheaper-by-the-dozen cultures, were overgrazing the world pasture.

We need a good plague, or two. Or, put some of that bio-engineering to good
use and give the human race a lemming gene.

"Hey guys, what say we try bungee jumping without the bungee!!?".

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
news:YPoLb.2727$sv6.9664@attbi_s52...
> On 2004-01-09, > wrote:
> > Not only more dioxins but they are fed pellets made up of rendered
> > bodies of cats and dogs and road kill.
>
> This is total crap! Salmon are fed fish protein ...one of the reasons
> farmed salmon are not really eco-friendly.
>
> The main problem is simply too many people ...period! Thanks to the Pope
> and other cheaper-by-the-dozen cultures, were overgrazing the world
pasture.
>
> We need a good plague, or two. Or, put some of that bio-engineering to
good
> use and give the human race a lemming gene.
>
> "Hey guys, what say we try bungee jumping without the bungee!!?".
>
> nb

As off the wall as NotBob may seem, there is some truth to what he says.
The fact of nature is that when we do become overpopulated, natural controls
will eventually take over - plagues, death, etc...

"Peter Aitken" > wrote:

>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins and
>other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
>wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around the
>world.
>
>Full story:
>http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html


The benefits of eating salmon for reduction of cardiovascular disease far
outweigh the risks demonstrated by this study. Hopefully, the public will
consider the cost/benefit before rejecting salmon as unsafe

Dennis

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 03:01:12 GMT, notbob
> wrote:

>
> We need a good plague, or two. Or, put some of that bio-engineering to good
> use and give the human race a lemming gene.
>

I thought that was the subtext of war... clean out the gene
pool.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Dennis G. wrote:

> "Peter Aitken" > wrote:
>
>
>>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins and
>>other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
>>wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around the
>>world.
>>
>>Full story:
>>http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html
>
>
>
> The benefits of eating salmon for reduction of cardiovascular disease far
> outweigh the risks demonstrated by this study. Hopefully, the public will
> consider the cost/benefit before rejecting salmon as unsafe
>
> Dennis
So, eat other fish or wild salmon.
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

Mark Thorson > wrote:
>Quoting from _Scientific_American_, April 1997, page 28:
>
>"Because the [PrP] protein may, in rare circumstances,
>be able to convert to an infectious form, farm-raised salmon,
>like beef, could in theory pose a public health threat."
>
>This article is commenting on the discovery that salmon
>brains also contain the PrP protein, which has both a
>normal form and an abnormal form, the latter of which
>is responsible for Mad Cow Disease.

They also cause AIDS in lab rats.

--Blair
"RUN AWAY!
RUN AWAY!"

Dennis G. > wrote:
>"Peter Aitken" > wrote:
>
>>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins and
>>other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
>>wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around the
>>world.
>>
>>Full story:
>>http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html
>
>
>The benefits of eating salmon for reduction of cardiovascular disease far
>outweigh the risks demonstrated by this study. Hopefully, the public will
>consider the cost/benefit before rejecting salmon as unsafe

"The salmon farming industry points out that all the
pollutant levels are well within the FDA's legal limits
and says other foods eaten far more often, such as beef,
are greater sources of exposure."

--Blair
"Chicken Little needed a recipe
for acorns, is all."

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
.com...
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins
and
> other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
> wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around
the
> world.
>
> Full story:
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html
>

This will unleash a flood of "I told ya so" posts.

Fish farming is necessary if we are going to continue to eat fish. I wish
the anti-farming side would put their energy into creating a better way to
farm fish rather than just trying to eliminate the idea.

On the good side, it's a wake up call, much like the mad cow episode of
late, to tighten up and improve conditions. Of course, alarmists will be
alarmists.

Jaquaculture

While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, alzelt of AT&T Worldnet
said:

>So, eat other fish or wild salmon.

How do I know if the salmon I buy is wild?
--
Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18
ICQ# 251532856
Unreferenced footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN
"The best ballerina is an upside down ballerina. (afdaniain)

MEow > wrote in
:

> While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, alzelt of AT&T Worldnet
> said:
>
>>So, eat other fish or wild salmon.
>
> How do I know if the salmon I buy is wild?

If it says Atlantic Salmon it is farmed.

--
Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on nothing but food
and water.
--------
FIELDS, W. C.

(snip)
>
> This will unleash a flood of "I told ya so" posts.
>
> Fish farming is necessary if we are going to continue to eat fish. I wish
> the anti-farming side would put their energy into creating a better way to
> farm fish rather than just trying to eliminate the idea.
>
> On the good side, it's a wake up call, much like the mad cow episode of
> late, to tighten up and improve conditions. Of course, alarmists will be
> alarmists.
>
> Jaquaculture
>

I hear ya, Jack, and I concur. I figure, we're all going to die from
something someday anyway. If we have to farm our seafood (shellfish and
fish) because we're over-populated and depleted our waters, so be it. It
still tastes good.

Okay, flamers, go ahead......

kili

>> This will unleash a flood of "I told ya so" posts.
>>
>> Fish farming is necessary if we are going to continue to eat fish.
>> I wish the anti-farming side would put their energy into creating a
>> better way to farm fish rather than just trying to eliminate the
>> idea.
>>
>> On the good side, it's a wake up call, much like the mad cow episode
>> of late, to tighten up and improve conditions. Of course, alarmists
>> will be alarmists.

> I hear ya, Jack, and I concur. I figure, we're all going to die from
> something someday anyway. If we have to farm our seafood (shellfish
> and fish) because we're over-populated and depleted our waters, so be
> it. It still tastes good.
>
> Okay, flamers, go ahead......

i think there is a potential for long term damage to a much wider area than
just the pens. dumping lots of food (and antibiotics) into a pen might do
bad things to the bay it is in, and in turn to the species that live (or
spawn) in that bay, ... in worst case it would all fan out from there.

in the best case someone would do some science and figure it out - but i'm
afraid we are in the modern situation now - with "company scientists" on one
side and "environmentalist scientists" on the other. the reader is left to
glean a little bit of the story from either side.

but fwiw i think damage to areas around the pens is a risk worth
considering.

wrote in news:03oLb.1118$Ix.754
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> Not only more dioxins but they are fed pellets made up of rendered
> bodies of cats and dogs and road kill. This mix is sold to farmers who
> raise the salmon on the east coast and to the chinese and thailand
> farmers of shellfish such as shrimp.
> All the non-wild fish and shell fish are fed this mix.
> Well now you get to enjoy fido and fluffy twice.

Cite, please.

Thanks,
Cate

In ,
Cate > typed:
> wrote in news:03oLb.1118$Ix.754
> @newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> Not only more dioxins but they are fed pellets made up of rendered
>> bodies of cats and dogs and road kill. This mix is sold to farmers who
>> raise the salmon on the east coast and to the chinese and thailand
>> farmers of shellfish such as shrimp.
>> All the non-wild fish and shell fish are fed this mix.
>> Well now you get to enjoy fido and fluffy twice.
>
> Cite, please.
>
> Thanks,
> Cate
You'll only get those same ones he/she posted the last time someone asked
him/her for information backing up his/her claims.
None!

BOB
not believing anything this k00k types

This is the total and complete truth and any one who can use a search
engine and find what happens to the by products of kennels and humane
societies.

notebook wrote:

> On 2004-01-09, > wrote:
>
>>Not only more dioxins but they are fed pellets made up of rendered
>>bodies of cats and dogs and road kill.
>
>
> This is total crap! Salmon are fed fish protein ...one of the reasons
> farmed salmon are not really eco-friendly.
>
> The main problem is simply too many people ...period! Thanks to the Pope
> and other cheaper-by-the-dozen cultures, were overgrazing the world pasture.
>
> We need a good plague, or two. Or, put some of that bio-engineering to good
> use and give the human race a lemming gene.
>
> "Hey guys, what say we try bungee jumping without the bungee!!?".
>
> nb

Latest report I read was in the Express Newspaper of Riverside
California where they showed barrels of dead cats and dogs being process
and sent to a rendering factory in Los Angeles and from there they
make a food for farmed fish and shellfish. It was published about 2-3
weeks ago. Use your Google and find out the real truth.
Matt

Cate wrote:

> wrote in news:03oLb.1118$Ix.754
> @newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>
>>Not only more dioxins but they are fed pellets made up of rendered
>>bodies of cats and dogs and road kill. This mix is sold to farmers who
>>raise the salmon on the east coast and to the chinese and thailand
>>farmers of shellfish such as shrimp.
>>All the non-wild fish and shell fish are fed this mix.
>>Well now you get to enjoy fido and fluffy twice.
>
>
> Cite, please.
>
> Thanks,
> Cate
>

While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, hahabogus of Your Company
said:

>> While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, alzelt of AT&T Worldnet
>> said:
>>
>>>So, eat other fish or wild salmon.
>>
>> How do I know if the salmon I buy is wild?
>
>If it says Atlantic Salmon it is farmed.

I thought that just meant that they were caught in the Atlantic
somewhere. In any case, I'll keep an eye out for that, as I like to
eat salmon.
--
Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18
ICQ# 251532856
Unreferenced footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN
What's wrong with nationalism?
Truth can't depend on one's ancestry!" Daneel (a.a.)

The place of origin in either on a stamped band on the fish tail or
printed on the package it comes it. That is a law that is followed.
Have you noticed when buy fish in the regular markets they have little
signs in front of the fish stating coloring has been added and farmed etc.
Matt

MEow wrote:

> While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, alzelt of AT&T Worldnet
> said:
>
>
>>So, eat other fish or wild salmon.
>
>
> How do I know if the salmon I buy is wild?

Take a look at the "legal" limits. I don't think a sane person would
want to expose themselves to this much risk.
It is your life, after all, so enjoy your tainted fish and meats.
Do a Google search...almost any can.
Matt

Blair P. Houghton wrote:

> Dennis G. > wrote:
>
>>"Peter Aitken" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins and
>>>other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
>>>wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around the
>>>world.
>>>
>>>Full story:
>>>http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html
>>
>>
>>The benefits of eating salmon for reduction of cardiovascular disease far
>>outweigh the risks demonstrated by this study. Hopefully, the public will
>>consider the cost/benefit before rejecting salmon as unsafe
>
>
> "The salmon farming industry points out that all the
> pollutant levels are well within the FDA's legal limits
> and says other foods eaten far more often, such as beef,
> are greater sources of exposure."
>
> --Blair
> "Chicken Little needed a recipe
> for acorns, is all."

notbob > wrote:

> The main problem is simply too many people ...period! Thanks to the Pope
> and other cheaper-by-the-dozen cultures, were overgrazing the world pasture.

I couldn't agree more.

I don't know how you can compare farmed seafood with wild seafood. You
have no standards and a lack of taste buds?
Matt

kilikini wrote:

> (snip)
>
>>This will unleash a flood of "I told ya so" posts.
>>
>>Fish farming is necessary if we are going to continue to eat fish. I wish
>>the anti-farming side would put their energy into creating a better way to
>>farm fish rather than just trying to eliminate the idea.
>>
>>On the good side, it's a wake up call, much like the mad cow episode of
>>late, to tighten up and improve conditions. Of course, alarmists will be
>>alarmists.
>>
>>Jaquaculture
>>
>
>
> I hear ya, Jack, and I concur. I figure, we're all going to die from
> something someday anyway. If we have to farm our seafood (shellfish and
> fish) because we're over-populated and depleted our waters, so be it. It
> still tastes good.
>
> Okay, flamers, go ahead......
>
> kili
>
>

Cate wrote:

>> Not only more dioxins but they are fed pellets made up of rendered
>> bodies of cats and dogs and road kill. This mix is sold to farmers who
>> raise the salmon on the east coast and to the chinese and thailand
>> farmers of shellfish such as shrimp.
>> All the non-wild fish and shell fish are fed this mix.
>> Well now you get to enjoy fido and fluffy twice.
>
> Cite, please.

Good luck with that. I'm still waiting for a reference with regards to
aluminum baking sheets and alzheimers that hasn't already been debunked...

--
Darryl L. Pierce >
Visit the Infobahn Offramp - <http://mypage.org/mcpierce>
"What do you care what other people think, Mr. Feynman?"

wrote:

> Take a look at the "legal" limits. I don't think a sane person would
> want to expose themselves to this much risk.
> It is your life, after all, so enjoy your tainted fish and meats.
> Do a Google search...almost any can.

Hell, maybe we'll even bake them on aluminum sheets too. Live life on the
edge!

--
Darryl L. Pierce >
Visit the Infobahn Offramp - <http://mypage.org/mcpierce>
"What do you care what other people think, Mr. Feynman?"

wrote:

> This is the total and complete truth and any one who can use a search
> engine and find what happens to the by products of kennels and humane
> societies.

Then why not do so and provide support for your own claims?

--
Darryl L. Pierce >
Visit the Infobahn Offramp - <http://mypage.org/mcpierce>
"What do you care what other people think, Mr. Feynman?"

While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, of
EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net said:

>The place of origin in either on a stamped band on the fish tail or
>printed on the package it comes it. That is a law that is followed.
>Have you noticed when buy fish in the regular markets they have little
>signs in front of the fish stating coloring has been added and farmed etc.

They don't where I'm from. At best there's a label telling what
country they're from, but nothing else.
--
Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18
ICQ# 251532856
Unreferenced footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN
"Sanity is overrated!" Nancy Fisk (AFV)

Darryl L. Pierce typed:
> wrote:
>
>> Take a look at the "legal" limits. I don't think a sane person would
>> want to expose themselves to this much risk.
>> It is your life, after all, so enjoy your tainted fish and meats.
>> Do a Google search...almost any can.
>
> Hell, maybe we'll even bake them on aluminum sheets too. Live life on the
> edge!
>
ROTFL MAO

> wrote in message
k.net...
> This is the total and complete truth and any one who can use a search
> engine and find what happens to the by products of kennels and humane
> societies.

In that case, you should be easily able to post just a couple
of links to some examples that back up this claim. The burden
of proof in any discussion is on the person making the claim -
you shouldn't expect others to have to dig up your evidence
for you.

Bob M.

>I don't know how you can compare farmed seafood with wild seafood. You
>have no standards and a lack of taste buds?

Plenty of standards. Plenty of taste buds. It just happens I know how to
prepare farmed seafood. (And I appreciate its superior freshness, in that the
supply chain is controlled better than is that of wild fish suppliers.)

Neil

wrote in news:ObELb.793$zj7.427
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> Latest report I read was in the Express Newspaper of Riverside
> California where they showed barrels of dead cats and dogs being process
> and sent to a rendering factory in Los Angeles and from there they
> make a food for farmed fish and shellfish. It was published about 2-3
> weeks ago.

Then it should be easy enough for you to provide the URL to the story.

I did find http://www.preciouspets.org/rendering.htm; it's not the
original, and the reference it cites is by subscription only.

Cate

wrote in
k.net:

> The place of origin in either on a stamped band on the fish tail or
> printed on the package it comes it. That is a law that is followed.

Not in New York state.

> Have you noticed when buy fish in the regular markets they have little
> signs in front of the fish stating coloring has been added and farmed
> etc.

Not in New York state. At least not where I lived for 5 years, where all
the fish in grocery stores was 1) not prepackaged, 2) mostly filleted (no
tail to mark), 3) not labeled as to origin, dyes, or wild vs. farmed.

Cate

> wrote:
>Take a look at the "legal" limits. I don't think a sane person would
>want to expose themselves to this much risk.

What you think seems to be skewed by some sort of
unrequited fealty to wild salmon. Which have parasites,
while farmed ones don't.

A sane person is relying on the FDA to ensure the food
doesn't have that much risk, and the FDA is doing that.
Not that it always does it well, but they're the authority.

--Blair
"So change the regs."

Blair P. Houghton wrote:

> Dennis G. > wrote:
>
>>"Peter Aitken" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins and
>>>other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
>>>wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around the
>>>world.
>>>
>>>Full story:
>>>http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html
>>
>>
>>The benefits of eating salmon for reduction of cardiovascular disease far
>>outweigh the risks demonstrated by this study. Hopefully, the public will
>>consider the cost/benefit before rejecting salmon as unsafe
>
>
> "The salmon farming industry points out that all the
> pollutant levels are well within the FDA's legal limits
> and says other foods eaten far more often, such as beef,
> are greater sources of exposure."
>
> --Blair
> "Chicken Little needed a recipe
> for acorns, is all."
I find it wonderful that you can accept the FDA as THE final word. With
their checkered past, that is a leap of faith, similar in nature to
walking off the Golden Gate Bridge.
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

Jack Schidt® wrote:

> "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
> .com...
>
>>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins
>
> and
>
>>other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
>>wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around
>
> the
>
>>world.
>>
>>Full story:
>>http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html
>>
>
>
> This will unleash a flood of "I told ya so" posts.
>
> Fish farming is necessary if we are going to continue to eat fish. I wish
> the anti-farming side would put their energy into creating a better way to
> farm fish rather than just trying to eliminate the idea.
>
> On the good side, it's a wake up call, much like the mad cow episode of
> late, to tighten up and improve conditions. Of course, alarmists will be
> alarmists.
>
> Jaquaculture
>
>
Seems to me that when man sets out to make the cheapest food available,
they can do it, quality notwithstanding. I think you will find that this
is such a case.

How is this any different to a farmer/rancher trying to squeeze out the
last drop of profit by selling off a sick cow to the meatpacker?

Or an unscrupulous grocer who re-labels out of date products?

Call me a cynic, but there is too much evidence that man, left to his
own policing, will screw the all to gullible public.

And how can one just blindly accept that word of a government agency to
look out for us when there is enough evidence to the contrary? Want to
choose the winner between Smithfield Corp and Jack Schidt?


--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

For all intents and purposes there is no commercial fishery on
Atlantic Salmon-they have almost all been wiped out by overfishing-and
some by disease caused by escaped farmed Atlantics.


On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:32:37 +0100, MEow >
wrote:

>While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, hahabogus of Your Company
>said:
>
>>> While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, alzelt of AT&T Worldnet
>>> said:
>>>
>>>>So, eat other fish or wild salmon.
>>>
>>> How do I know if the salmon I buy is wild?
>>
>>If it says Atlantic Salmon it is farmed.
>
>I thought that just meant that they were caught in the Atlantic
>somewhere. In any case, I'll keep an eye out for that, as I like to
>eat salmon.

"alzelt" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Jack Schidt® wrote:
>
> > "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
> > .com...
> >
> >>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Farm-raised salmon contain significantly more dioxins
> >
> > and
> >
> >>other potentially cancer-causing pollutants than do salmon caught in the
> >>wild, says a major study that tested contaminants in fish bought around
> >
> > the
> >
> >>world.
> >>
> >>Full story:
> >>http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08....ap/index.html
> >>
> >
> >
> > This will unleash a flood of "I told ya so" posts.
> >
> > Fish farming is necessary if we are going to continue to eat fish. I
wish
> > the anti-farming side would put their energy into creating a better way
to
> > farm fish rather than just trying to eliminate the idea.
> >
> > On the good side, it's a wake up call, much like the mad cow episode of
> > late, to tighten up and improve conditions. Of course, alarmists will
be
> > alarmists.
> >
> > Jaquaculture
> >
> >
> Seems to me that when man sets out to make the cheapest food available,
> they can do it, quality notwithstanding. I think you will find that this
> is such a case.
>
> How is this any different to a farmer/rancher trying to squeeze out the
> last drop of profit by selling off a sick cow to the meatpacker?
>
> Or an unscrupulous grocer who re-labels out of date products?
>
> Call me a cynic, but there is too much evidence that man, left to his
> own policing, will screw the all to gullible public.
>
> And how can one just blindly accept that word of a government agency to
> look out for us when there is enough evidence to the contrary? Want to
> choose the winner between Smithfield Corp and Jack Schidt?
>
>
> --
> Alan
>

I'm not taking on the Smithfield Corp...

I agree and think that fish can be farmed safely and eco-friendly. It won't
be the cheapest, but probably akin to free range chicken. I now pay 20cents
a pound more for fr/org/no antibiotic chicken. <shrug> Not breaking the
bank by any means.

Jack Wing

Jack Schidt® wrote:

> I'm not taking on the Smithfield Corp...
>
> I agree and think that fish can be farmed safely and eco-friendly.
> It won't be the cheapest, but probably akin to free range chicken. I
> now pay 20cents a pound more for fr/org/no antibiotic chicken.
> <shrug> Not breaking the bank by any means.

i wonder what would be analogous to free range chicken? really big pens?

i think the nasty think about small pens is that they are like flooded
feedlots or chicken coops - and because they are flooded you can't shovel
the shit and sell it as fertilizer. basically you gotta hope that the bay
(i think these things have to be in protected/shallow waters) can support
that level of continuous waste generation.

Cate wrote:

> I did find http://www.preciouspets.org/rendering.htm; it's not the
> original, and the reference it cites is by subscription only.

that's nasty. if there aren't rules keeping the stuff out of the foodchain,
there should be. other than that, it's "the glue factory" of yore.