Nancy Young wrote:
> anna maria wrote:
>
>>Fred wrote:
>
>
>>>The heavy cream. Alfredo is a cream and cheese sauce.
>
>
>>Poor Alfredo, turning in his grave....
>
>
> (giggling) Alfredo probably didn't have any cream when he made his
> first pasta dish.
>
> nancy


You have to look at the Alfredo "recipe" in perspective.... In Alfredo's
times, when I was a kid in Rome (I am not going to say how old I am)
butter, parmesan, cream were not part of our everyday cooking. Romans
cooked mostly with olive oil (they still do).

I still remember my mother getting a phone call from my aunt, and the
conversation was on the subject of using butter. Where my aunt was
saying that butter had very good taste and why she wouldn't start using
it...

Cream could be bought in the milk shops in small glass bottles, but was
used very rarely. It was considered a "pastry shop" specialty. If you
wanted whipped cream generally you would go to the coffee shop and buy
it already whipped.

Parmigiano was used, but was expensive: it would come from Emilia, e
region far away for those times!! We normally used on pasta Pecorino
cheese (when necessary), that was being produced in the coutry around
Rome, where sheep were very common, and cattle a little less.

Now: here comes Alfredo, and he proposes Butter and Parmigiano
Fettuccine. You could say it was almost an exotic food. When he proposed
it to American tourists and celebrities (it was the time of the colossal
movies in Rome: Ben Hur, The Robe, The Ten Commandments) they didn't
know Parmigiano (nore sweet butter). So it became a big hit.

Alfredo apparently was a great entertainer and was serving personally
its fettuccine with a golden fork and spoon. Besides, the Italian food
the Americans would eventually know was Southern Italian cooking (from
Campania, Calabria, and Sicily) that it is completely different. Still
today most American identify Italian cooking with Southern Italian.

Butter and Parmigiano, so simple and so good. When I see threads here of
people desperate for learning how to cook, eating out most of the time,
or buying frozen, canned, preserved stuff... people that ruins their
stomach and bodies, live shorter lives, have liver problems and take
stomach pills BEFORE going to the restaurant.... when I see all the ads
about fast food, so so many... when i see my friends kids obese at
5-10-15 years old.... when I see ads in tv saying that you have to take
this pill when you go to an Italian restaurant because is going to give
you a hearthburn.... when I hear this, I don't know if to laugh, cry, or
get upset, or all of this at the same time.

There are sooooo many simple tasty good things you can cook in the time
you open a can. What a waste of health and resouces! When you can cook a
good meal, a simple dish of pasta, a omelette, a grilled chicken, a
salad, even a dessert (don't forget a glass of wine instead of beer) in
few minutes, with very few dollars, be healty and save money. Maybe
basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
health in the US.

Sorry for the long post, but I was being upset by reading other threads
on these subjects.

Ciao,

Anna Maria


www.annamariavolpi.com

Thank you Anna Maria,
I really enjoyed your post,,,my ex was from Calabria,,,,and I really enjoyed
his Mom's cooking ,it was simple and good. I wish I could cook like
her,,,,,,,she couldn't give me any recipe's,,,,,,,a bit of this,,,a bit of
that,,,,,she only spoke Italian,,,,,,,and I only spoke English,,,
Please keep posting.
Sandy
"anna maria" > wrote in message
...
> Nancy Young wrote:
> > anna maria wrote:
> >
> >>Fred wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>The heavy cream. Alfredo is a cream and cheese sauce.
> >
> >
> >>Poor Alfredo, turning in his grave....
> >
> >
> > (giggling) Alfredo probably didn't have any cream when he made his
> > first pasta dish.
> >
> > nancy
>
>
> You have to look at the Alfredo "recipe" in perspective.... In Alfredo's
> times, when I was a kid in Rome (I am not going to say how old I am)
> butter, parmesan, cream were not part of our everyday cooking. Romans
> cooked mostly with olive oil (they still do).
>
> I still remember my mother getting a phone call from my aunt, and the
> conversation was on the subject of using butter. Where my aunt was
> saying that butter had very good taste and why she wouldn't start using
> it...
>
> Cream could be bought in the milk shops in small glass bottles, but was
> used very rarely. It was considered a "pastry shop" specialty. If you
> wanted whipped cream generally you would go to the coffee shop and buy
> it already whipped.
>
> Parmigiano was used, but was expensive: it would come from Emilia, e
> region far away for those times!! We normally used on pasta Pecorino
> cheese (when necessary), that was being produced in the coutry around
> Rome, where sheep were very common, and cattle a little less.
>
> Now: here comes Alfredo, and he proposes Butter and Parmigiano
> Fettuccine. You could say it was almost an exotic food. When he proposed
> it to American tourists and celebrities (it was the time of the colossal
> movies in Rome: Ben Hur, The Robe, The Ten Commandments) they didn't
> know Parmigiano (nore sweet butter). So it became a big hit.
>
> Alfredo apparently was a great entertainer and was serving personally
> its fettuccine with a golden fork and spoon. Besides, the Italian food
> the Americans would eventually know was Southern Italian cooking (from
> Campania, Calabria, and Sicily) that it is completely different. Still
> today most American identify Italian cooking with Southern Italian.
>
> Butter and Parmigiano, so simple and so good. When I see threads here of
> people desperate for learning how to cook, eating out most of the time,
> or buying frozen, canned, preserved stuff... people that ruins their
> stomach and bodies, live shorter lives, have liver problems and take
> stomach pills BEFORE going to the restaurant.... when I see all the ads
> about fast food, so so many... when i see my friends kids obese at
> 5-10-15 years old.... when I see ads in tv saying that you have to take
> this pill when you go to an Italian restaurant because is going to give
> you a hearthburn.... when I hear this, I don't know if to laugh, cry, or
> get upset, or all of this at the same time.
>
> There are sooooo many simple tasty good things you can cook in the time
> you open a can. What a waste of health and resouces! When you can cook a
> good meal, a simple dish of pasta, a omelette, a grilled chicken, a
> salad, even a dessert (don't forget a glass of wine instead of beer) in
> few minutes, with very few dollars, be healty and save money. Maybe
> basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
> health in the US.
>
> Sorry for the long post, but I was being upset by reading other threads
> on these subjects.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Anna Maria
>
>
> www.annamariavolpi.com
>
>
>
>
>

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:53:32 GMT, anna maria
> wrote:

>You have to look at the Alfredo "recipe" in perspective....

Interesting history. Thank you.

As for eating out and heartburn pills, I've often wondered the same
thing. Instead of popping a pill, why not just avoid what makes you
sick? There's a particularly noxious as for some oversize frozen
dinners in which the tag line is "There's nothing bad about feeling
full." No? Leaving the table (if one is able) in an overstuffed coma
when the obesity rate in the US has risen to 60% seems "bad" to me.

As I posted in an earlier thread on 'too much food', many (everywhere)
equate food with love, generosity, and prosperity -- the more the
better. Even if it's not particularly *good* food.

The 'French miracle' of slim people and a rich cuisine *isn't*, AFAIK,
due to any magical properties in a glass of wine, but in moderation,
and taking time and care with food.

anna maria wrote:

<snipped interesting lesson food in Italy>

>
> There are sooooo many simple tasty good things you can cook in the time
> you open a can. What a waste of health and resouces! When you can cook a
> good meal, a simple dish of pasta, a omelette, a grilled chicken, a
> salad, even a dessert (don't forget a glass of wine instead of beer) in
> few minutes, with very few dollars, be healty and save money. Maybe
> basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
> health in the US.
>
> Sorry for the long post, but I was being upset by reading other threads
> on these subjects.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Anna Maria
>
>
> www.annamariavolpi.com
>
>
>
>
>

Anna Maria,

I totally agree. Some basic cooking classes should be mandatory in
schools. Problem is we can't even get the little buggers to learn
to do simple math or handle the language. :-((

As for the long post? Keep 'em comin', that was very facinating
reading from someone with first hand experience.

--
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

anna maria wrote:

> There are sooooo many simple tasty good things you can cook in the time
> you open a can. What a waste of health and resouces! When you can cook a
> good meal, a simple dish of pasta, a omelette, a grilled chicken, a
> salad, even a dessert (don't forget a glass of wine instead of beer) in
> few minutes, with very few dollars, be healty and save money. Maybe
> basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
> health in the US.
>
> Sorry for the long post, but I was being upset by reading other threads
> on these subjects.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Anna Maria

Don't despair Anna Marie! We Americans are not all like that
Goomba

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:18:37 GMT, Steve Calvin >
wrote:

>anna maria wrote:
>
><snipped interesting lesson food in Italy>
>>
>> Maybe
>> basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
>> health in the US.

>I totally agree. Some basic cooking classes should be mandatory in
>schools. Problem is we can't even get the little buggers to learn
>to do simple math or handle the language. :-((

Combine the math *with* the cooking. Not just oz and lb, but shopping,
too. Relative cost/benefit of home cooking, and how to break down "3
(8 oz packages)/$5" or bananas, 3lb/$1. US schools certainly give
mixed messages with 'nutrition' taught in classes and 'corn dog
nuggets' served in the cafeteria. (And soft drink machines in the
hall.) Things were different in *my* day. By crackey. :-)

"anna maria" > wrote in message
...
> You have to look at the Alfredo "recipe" in perspective.... In
Alfredo's
> times, when I was a kid in Rome (I am not going to say how old I am)
> butter, parmesan, cream were not part of our everyday cooking.
Romans
> cooked mostly with olive oil (they still do).
>
> There are sooooo many simple tasty good things you can cook in the
time
> you open a can. What a waste of health and resouces! When you can
cook a
> good meal, a simple dish of pasta, a omelette, a grilled chicken, a
> salad, even a dessert (don't forget a glass of wine instead of beer)
in
> few minutes, with very few dollars, be healty and save money. Maybe
> basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
> health in the US. (snip)
> Ciao,
>
> Anna Maria
> www.annamariavolpi.com


Anna Maria,
Thanks for the great post. I agree with you. My husband and I recently
visited Rome and Florence and the beautiful, fresh, delicious, simple
food that we ate in Italy has inspired me to cook differently. Post
more, please.
=terri

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:53:32 GMT, anna maria
> wrote:

>Butter and Parmigiano, so simple and so good. When I see threads here of
>people desperate for learning how to cook, eating out most of the time,
>or buying frozen, canned, preserved stuff... people that ruins their
>stomach and bodies, live shorter lives, have liver problems and take
>stomach pills BEFORE going to the restaurant.... when I see all the ads
>about fast food, so so many... when i see my friends kids obese at
>5-10-15 years old.... when I see ads in tv saying that you have to take
>this pill when you go to an Italian restaurant because is going to give
>you a hearthburn.... when I hear this, I don't know if to laugh, cry, or
>get upset, or all of this at the same time.

Calm down. Just repeat "It's only tv. They are trying to sell a
product." When I was in Italy, I saw ads (not necessarily for food),
that were jaw-dropping from my perspective but I can't believe they
accurately represent Italian culture :>

Keep in mind, that if it wasn't for frozen, canned, and preserved
stuff, a lot of us in northern parts would be eating only potatoes and
such for vegetables in the winter. Even with improved distribution
via trucking, some vegetables don't travel well. A few weeks ago
someone told me that his Sicilian-American family buys some
astronomical volume of tomatoes in the summer when they are cheap and
ripe, and cans them for use in the winter. I can't see anything wrong
with that (and I admire their energy).

Keep in mind that the life span in most developed countries has been
increasing, not decreasing, and alcohol -not canned corn- ruins the
liver.

I agree with you that fresh is often better from a taste point of
view, but it's the absence of fruit and vegetables that's the health
problem; not whether they are frozen or fresh.

>There are sooooo many simple tasty good things you can cook in the time
>you open a can. What a waste of health and resouces! When you can cook a
>good meal, a simple dish of pasta, a omelette, a grilled chicken, a
>salad, even a dessert (don't forget a glass of wine instead of beer) in
>few minutes, with very few dollars, be healty and save money. Maybe
>basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
>health in the US.

Frankly, none of what you proposed is particularly healthy as a meal,
except in having fewer calories than most. But it's short on
vegetables and no one I know drinks beer with their daily meal! (I'm
sure someone out there does, but I hope you don't think it's anywhere
near normal).

A salad may or may not have vegetables worth noting, but a lot are
just mostly lettuce of some sort with dressing and perhaps a couple
pieces of tomato. Not unhealthy (depending on the dressing) but not
exactly a nutritional powerhouse either. That might be counted as one
vegetable but when you consider that we should have a *minimum* of
five fruits and vegetables a day, it doesn't do much to dress up
pasta.

It's absolutely true that people need to eat healthier, particularly
to turn the tide of obesity. But all the ranting in the world will be
futile if the solutions don't take into consideration the society. A
tactic that is effective in one country or population group might not
work in another. Maybe a course in xyz would be enough to change the
behavior of Italian students, but I can assure you that a course in
nutrition/cooking isn't going to have much of an impact in the US.

I am heartened by the change in advertising for some of the fast food
chains, emphasizing healthy options. If the response of consumers is
positive, this could be the start of a good trend!

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

anna maria wrote:
>
> Nancy Young wrote:

> > (giggling) Alfredo probably didn't have any cream when he made his
> > first pasta dish.

> You have to look at the Alfredo "recipe" in perspective.... In Alfredo's
> times, when I was a kid in Rome (I am not going to say how old I am)
> butter, parmesan, cream were not part of our everyday cooking. Romans
> cooked mostly with olive oil (they still do).

Exactly what I was saying, perhaps if he had a pint of cream right
there he might have added it, and people would have had to find
something else to debate over the years.

Thanks for the story.

nancy

"anna maria" > wrote in message
...

> You have to look at the Alfredo "recipe" in perspective.... In Alfredo's
> times, when I was a kid in Rome (I am not going to say how old I am)
> butter, parmesan, cream were not part of our everyday cooking. Romans
> cooked mostly with olive oil (they still do).
>
> I still remember my mother getting a phone call from my aunt, and the
> conversation was on the subject of using butter. Where my aunt was
> saying that butter had very good taste and why she wouldn't start using
> it...

<snip lovely reminiscence)

Thanks, Anna Maria, for a delightful post. It brought back some warm
memories of my Nonna and her wonderful, simple cooking.

Felice

Hark! I heard Frogleg > say:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:53:32 GMT, anna maria
> > wrote:
>
> >You have to look at the Alfredo "recipe" in perspective....
>
> Interesting history. Thank you.

Yeah!

> As for eating out and heartburn pills, I've often wondered the same
> thing. Instead of popping a pill, why not just avoid what makes you
> sick? There's a particularly noxious as for some oversize frozen
> dinners in which the tag line is "There's nothing bad about feeling
> full." No? Leaving the table (if one is able) in an overstuffed coma
> when the obesity rate in the US has risen to 60% seems "bad" to me.

Yup - this reminds me of a thread we had last month or so about how
restaurants (at least here in the US) serve such large portions! I
don't see how people can eat that much at one sitting. Luckily, I
have no problem in asking for a take home containter, and have
enjoyed leftovers for lunch on many an occasion.

<snip>

> The 'French miracle' of slim people and a rich cuisine *isn't*, AFAIK,
> due to any magical properties in a glass of wine, but in moderation,
> and taking time and care with food.

<Nodding> You've got that right; the secret to good health isn't in
cutting out one or another food type, but in moderation...


--
j.j. ~ mom, gamer, novice cook ~
...fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum!

>Maybe
>basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
>health in the US.

Did Home Economics get eliminated from high school curriculums in the name of
Political Correctness?

Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man

"The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong"
James Mason from the movie "Heaven Can Wait".

Mpoconnor7 wrote:

> Did Home Economics get eliminated from high school curriculums in the name of
> Political Correctness?


Home Economics was already on its way out long before anyone had heard
the term political correctness. There are a thousand reasons why one
subject is taught and not another. I believe fewer and fewer students
were interested in Home Ec, and it didn't make sense to waste resources
on an essentially non-academic subject.

--Lia

"Mpoconnor7" > wrote in message
...
> >Maybe
> >basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
> >health in the US.
>
> Did Home Economics get eliminated from high school curriculums in the name
of
> Political Correctness?

I graduated from high school in 1994, Home Economics was still offered then
under the name Creative Cooking. It was an interesting way to spend first
period, alas a bit boring because there wasn't much in the way of "creative"
in it IMO...scrammbled eggs, chocolate chip cookies, refridgerator fudge.
But then again, I have a mom and had a grandmother that taught me to cook,
and by high school I was much more interested in Julia Child, James Beard,
and any books I could take of of the library or get the money together for
on "International Cuisine" than I was in Betty Crocker. Worked out great
for my parents, they'd come home from work and dinner was made more often
than not. Not waiting for Home Ec, to teach my child to cook.

Jessica
>
> Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man
>
> "The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
> proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong"
> James Mason from the movie "Heaven Can Wait".

Curly Sue wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:53:32 GMT, anna maria
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Butter and Parmigiano, so simple and so good.

[snip]
>
> Calm down. Just repeat "It's only tv.

[snip]
>
>
> I agree with you that fresh is often better from a taste point of
> view, but it's the absence of fruit and vegetables that's the health
> problem; not whether they are frozen or fresh.
>
>
>>[snip]
>
> Frankly, none of what you proposed is particularly healthy as a meal,
> except in having fewer calories than most. But it's short on
> vegetables
>
> [snip]
>
> It's absolutely true that people need to eat healthier, particularly
> to turn the tide of obesity.
>
> [snip]
>
> Sue(tm)
>


I think you are opening too many subjects and we would be going to miss
my point. :-)

Just few observations:

I am an advocate of using fresh stuff, but I am not fanatic: I use
canned tomatoes, frozen peas, canned beans, etc... basic ingredients. I
don't use instead frozen meals, canned soups, et similar. I think we
both understand the difference. :-)

I was not trying to propose a full or balanced meal. Just giving some
examples of simple dishes that can be prepared in very short time. BTW
who said that every meal needs to be balanced? I think we all should
have a balanced diet, (possibly in a balanced life) that doesn't mean
you have to have the food pyramid in all your meals, right?

My point was...

Too many go out for most of their meals, and end up eating too much and
the wrong stuff; or go to fast food places, or order pizza (with extreme
fat toppings); or buy frozen, or pre-packaged, or canned meals.

To shop for fresh stuff, or let's say for basic ingredients, takes the
same time. And there are hundreds of excellent simple dishes that can be
prepared in few minutes with very little effort, very little expertise,
and very little money.

My reference to schools was just a desperate cry. I know that it
wouldn't work.


Ciao,


Anna Maria


www.annamariavolpi.com

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:23:36 GMT, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

>Mpoconnor7 wrote:
>
>> Did Home Economics get eliminated from high school curriculums in the name of
>> Political Correctness?
>
>Home Economics was already on its way out long before anyone had heard
>the term political correctness. ... I believe fewer and fewer students
>were interested in Home Ec, and it didn't make sense to waste resources
>on an essentially non-academic subject.

Well, since schools are now responsible for so much more than
academics, couldn't something like "Life Skills" be a requirement?
Basic cooking, nutrition, budgets (and interest), sex ed, use of the
web and the library, something about keeping oil in a car, etc. I
guess now child care should be included. I have an assignment for a
high school segment: find an ad for a car, new or used, and research
*exactly* how much it's going to cost.

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:25:41 GMT, anna maria
> wrote:

>Curly Sue wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:53:32 GMT, anna maria
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Butter and Parmigiano, so simple and so good.
>
>[snip]
>>
>> Calm down. Just repeat "It's only tv.
>
>[snip]
>>
>>
>> I agree with you that fresh is often better from a taste point of
>> view, but it's the absence of fruit and vegetables that's the health
>> problem; not whether they are frozen or fresh.
>>
>>
>>>[snip]
>>
>> Frankly, none of what you proposed is particularly healthy as a meal,
>> except in having fewer calories than most. But it's short on
>> vegetables
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> It's absolutely true that people need to eat healthier, particularly
>> to turn the tide of obesity.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> Sue(tm)

>I think you are opening too many subjects and we would be going to miss
>my point. :-)

I didn't open any subjects; I responded to the ones you opened up :>

>Just few observations:
>
>I am an advocate of using fresh stuff, but I am not fanatic: I use
>canned tomatoes, frozen peas, canned beans, etc... basic ingredients. I
>don't use instead frozen meals, canned soups, et similar. I think we
>both understand the difference. :-)

That's not how it read in your original post :>

>I was not trying to propose a full or balanced meal. Just giving some
>examples of simple dishes that can be prepared in very short time. BTW
>who said that every meal needs to be balanced? I think we all should
>have a balanced diet, (possibly in a balanced life) that doesn't mean
>you have to have the food pyramid in all your meals, right?

Your screed was on "simpler, healthier eating," not "simple dishes."
In terms of healthy eating, vegetables are extremely important.

>My point was...
>
>Too many go out for most of their meals, and end up eating too much and
>the wrong stuff; or go to fast food places, or order pizza (with extreme
>fat toppings); or buy frozen, or pre-packaged, or canned meals.
>
>To shop for fresh stuff, or let's say for basic ingredients, takes the
>same time. And there are hundreds of excellent simple dishes that can be
>prepared in few minutes with very little effort, very little expertise,
>and very little money.

OK. And my point is, it's not whether you eat in a restaurant, or buy
frozen or canned foods. It's the content of the meal, and that's
where the focus should be, not how it was acquired or prepared. Of
course, for you and me and many of us on rfc, chopping, stewing,
baking, experimenting with recipes, etc. is worth the effort. Other
people spend their time differently, by choice or necessity. For good
or bad, people respond to advertising. If the fast food industry,
the frozen food industry, etc. get on board and actively promote
healthy choices, make them easily accessible, it will go a long way
toward reversing unhealthy trends.

Interestingly, in that respect, the frivolous lawsuits ("McDonalds
made me fat") and the constant harping of the food police (eg. CSPI),
may be having a positive effect in changing the behavior of the food
industry.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

In article >,
Mpoconnor7 > wrote:
>>Maybe
>>basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
>>health in the US.
>
>Did Home Economics get eliminated from high school curriculums in the name of
>Political Correctness?

I had it in junior high. It was a joke even then. Not much you can do in
a short class, especially when official gummint nutrition info is so
confused.

Speaking of school programs, my city (Berkeley) has one ("the edible
schoolyard", started off by Alice Waters) where the kids have garden plots
in the school yard (salad greens grow all year here) and serve up the
produce at the cafeteria, a la salad bar. Voila, less junk food consumed.

Charlotte
(learned to cook by watching mom)

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:54:15 GMT, Frogleg > wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:18:37 GMT, Steve Calvin >
>wrote:
>
>>anna maria wrote:
>>
>><snipped interesting lesson food in Italy>
>>>
>>> Maybe
>>> basic cooking should be mandatory in schools to raise the level of
>>> health in the US.
>
>>I totally agree. Some basic cooking classes should be mandatory in
>>schools. Problem is we can't even get the little buggers to learn
>>to do simple math or handle the language. :-((
>
>Combine the math *with* the cooking. Not just oz and lb, but shopping,
>too. Relative cost/benefit of home cooking, and how to break down "3
>(8 oz packages)/$5" or bananas, 3lb/$1. US schools certainly give
>mixed messages with 'nutrition' taught in classes and 'corn dog
>nuggets' served in the cafeteria. (And soft drink machines in the
>hall.) Things were different in *my* day. By crackey. :-)

yep, no soda machines. smoked a flock of dope, though.

your pal,
cheech

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:18:43 GMT, (Curly
Sue) wrote:

>.... and no one I know drinks beer with their daily meal! (I'm
>sure someone out there does, but I hope you don't think it's anywhere
>near normal).
>>
>Sue(tm)
>Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

mercy! jack, are you out there?

your pocket-rocket pal,
blake