In article >, Dave
Urring > wrote:

> Julia Altshuler wrote:

> > It is hard to get enough calories with
> > no animal products
>
> That's ridiculous. There are plenty of fat pure vegetarians.

I don't think it is ridiculous, but you are correct that there are fat
vegetarians. My daughter has been a vegetarian for many years now (she is
19), and my sister has been a vegetarian for much longer. My daughter's
doctor told her that she needs to lose weight to stay healthy. My sister
has lost some weight, but for many years of being a vegetarian she was
very overweight.



> By "natural", I mean that your body finds plant foods much easier
> to deal with. (Which you know perfectly well.)


But vegetarians find it more difficult to deal with getting the correct
mix of amino acids. Omnivores don't even need to worry about that. The
body deals just fine with a reasonable amount of animal protein.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

In article >, Dave
Urring > wrote:

> Julia Altshuler wrote:

> > It is hard to get enough calories with
> > no animal products
>
> That's ridiculous. There are plenty of fat pure vegetarians.

I don't think it is ridiculous, but you are correct that there are fat
vegetarians. My daughter has been a vegetarian for many years now (she is
19), and my sister has been a vegetarian for much longer. My daughter's
doctor told her that she needs to lose weight to stay healthy. My sister
has lost some weight, but for many years of being a vegetarian she was
very overweight.



> By "natural", I mean that your body finds plant foods much easier
> to deal with. (Which you know perfectly well.)


But vegetarians find it more difficult to deal with getting the correct
mix of amino acids. Omnivores don't even need to worry about that. The
body deals just fine with a reasonable amount of animal protein.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> Dave Urring > wrote:
>
>> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
>> > It is hard to get enough calories with no animal products
>>
>> That's ridiculous. There are plenty of fat pure vegetarians.
>
> I don't think it is ridiculous, but you are correct that there
> are fat vegetarians. My daughter has been a vegetarian for
> many years now (she is 19), and my sister has been a vegetarian
> for much longer. My daughter's doctor told her that she needs
> to lose weight to stay healthy. My sister has lost some
> weight, but for many years of being a vegetarian she was very
> overweight.
>
>
>
>> By "natural", I mean that your body finds plant foods much
>> easier to deal with. (Which you know perfectly well.)
>
>
> But vegetarians find it more difficult to deal with getting the
> correct mix of amino acids. Omnivores don't even need to worry
> about that.



Nope. A myth. From bad science done by people directly or in-
directly employed by the animal product industry (more than 70%
of the farms in America grow food for animals, and Agriculture
funds a lot of universities, just for starters).

They accidentally or deliberately confuse(d) a physiological
_habituation_ to animal products for a basic metabolical
condition.

Your education here is incomplete. Have a look at the work of
scientists that aren't beholden to those business concerns.

Or politicians (funding) elected by animal product addicts.
(and workers and investors....)

www.earthsave.org

www.madcowboy.com


> The body deals just fine with a reasonable amount
> of animal protein.
>

Sure. It can deal with just about anything, including the
700+ carcinogens that the EPA finds in the average American
household/workplace/diet.

But it *thrives* on grains and legumes and roots and greens
and fruits and seeds and fungi.

Plus, the pure vegetarian is *much* easier on the environment.

In fact, if you aren't a pure vegetarian, you are *not* an
environmentalist, rationalize as you will.

The proof of the pudding is in the taste.

Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> Dave Urring > wrote:
>
>> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
>> > It is hard to get enough calories with no animal products
>>
>> That's ridiculous. There are plenty of fat pure vegetarians.
>
> I don't think it is ridiculous, but you are correct that there
> are fat vegetarians. My daughter has been a vegetarian for
> many years now (she is 19), and my sister has been a vegetarian
> for much longer. My daughter's doctor told her that she needs
> to lose weight to stay healthy. My sister has lost some
> weight, but for many years of being a vegetarian she was very
> overweight.
>
>
>
>> By "natural", I mean that your body finds plant foods much
>> easier to deal with. (Which you know perfectly well.)
>
>
> But vegetarians find it more difficult to deal with getting the
> correct mix of amino acids. Omnivores don't even need to worry
> about that.



Nope. A myth. From bad science done by people directly or in-
directly employed by the animal product industry (more than 70%
of the farms in America grow food for animals, and Agriculture
funds a lot of universities, just for starters).

They accidentally or deliberately confuse(d) a physiological
_habituation_ to animal products for a basic metabolical
condition.

Your education here is incomplete. Have a look at the work of
scientists that aren't beholden to those business concerns.

Or politicians (funding) elected by animal product addicts.
(and workers and investors....)

www.earthsave.org

www.madcowboy.com


> The body deals just fine with a reasonable amount
> of animal protein.
>

Sure. It can deal with just about anything, including the
700+ carcinogens that the EPA finds in the average American
household/workplace/diet.

But it *thrives* on grains and legumes and roots and greens
and fruits and seeds and fungi.

Plus, the pure vegetarian is *much* easier on the environment.

In fact, if you aren't a pure vegetarian, you are *not* an
environmentalist, rationalize as you will.

The proof of the pudding is in the taste.

Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> Dave Urring > wrote:
>
>> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
>> > It is hard to get enough calories with no animal products
>>
>> That's ridiculous. There are plenty of fat pure vegetarians.
>
> I don't think it is ridiculous, but you are correct that there
> are fat vegetarians. My daughter has been a vegetarian for
> many years now (she is 19), and my sister has been a vegetarian
> for much longer. My daughter's doctor told her that she needs
> to lose weight to stay healthy. My sister has lost some
> weight, but for many years of being a vegetarian she was very
> overweight.
>
>
>
>> By "natural", I mean that your body finds plant foods much
>> easier to deal with. (Which you know perfectly well.)
>
>
> But vegetarians find it more difficult to deal with getting the
> correct mix of amino acids. Omnivores don't even need to worry
> about that.



Nope. A myth. From bad science done by people directly or in-
directly employed by the animal product industry (more than 70%
of the farms in America grow food for animals, and Agriculture
funds a lot of universities, just for starters).

They accidentally or deliberately confuse(d) a physiological
_habituation_ to animal products for a basic metabolical
condition.

Your education here is incomplete. Have a look at the work of
scientists that aren't beholden to those business concerns.

Or politicians (funding) elected by animal product addicts.
(and workers and investors....)

www.earthsave.org

www.madcowboy.com


> The body deals just fine with a reasonable amount
> of animal protein.
>

Sure. It can deal with just about anything, including the
700+ carcinogens that the EPA finds in the average American
household/workplace/diet.

But it *thrives* on grains and legumes and roots and greens
and fruits and seeds and fungi.

Plus, the pure vegetarian is *much* easier on the environment.

In fact, if you aren't a pure vegetarian, you are *not* an
environmentalist, rationalize as you will.

The proof of the pudding is in the taste.

Dave Urring > wrote in news:_rs3d.311$g42.42
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> Let's have everyone post their weight and height here, shall
> we, along with their age and diet-style and how many times
> a year they go to the doctor.

Why would we do that?

--

"It is easier for a rich man to enter heaven seated
comfortably on the back of a camel, than it is for
a poor man to pass through the eye of a needle."

Supply Side Jesus

Dave Urring > wrote in news:_rs3d.311$g42.42
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> Let's have everyone post their weight and height here, shall
> we, along with their age and diet-style and how many times
> a year they go to the doctor.

Why would we do that?

--

"It is easier for a rich man to enter heaven seated
comfortably on the back of a camel, than it is for
a poor man to pass through the eye of a needle."

Supply Side Jesus

Dave Urring > wrote in news:_rs3d.311$g42.42
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> Let's have everyone post their weight and height here, shall
> we, along with their age and diet-style and how many times
> a year they go to the doctor.

Why would we do that?

--

"It is easier for a rich man to enter heaven seated
comfortably on the back of a camel, than it is for
a poor man to pass through the eye of a needle."

Supply Side Jesus

Dave Urring wrote:

>
> I am not responsible for *your* behavior, only my own.

I'll take your cow then, happily.
If *you* never learned moderation in all things,
and feel you need to restriction totally to
survive, that's fine. Don't bore us to tears with
it though.. ok? No one here is impressed with your
holier than thou misinformation.
Goomba

Dave Urring wrote:

>
> I am not responsible for *your* behavior, only my own.

I'll take your cow then, happily.
If *you* never learned moderation in all things,
and feel you need to restriction totally to
survive, that's fine. Don't bore us to tears with
it though.. ok? No one here is impressed with your
holier than thou misinformation.
Goomba

>Michel Boucher asks:
>
>>Dave Erring wrote:
>>
>> Let's have everyone post their weight and height here, shall
>> we, along with their age and diet-style and how many times
>> a year they go to the doctor.
>
>Why would we do that?

Heh! Most gals won't admit to their true shoe size.

Fergeddaboudit!

For more than ten years I've been trying to get the rfc trollops to post their
bra size... and this lying piece of shit newbie is lookin' for them to post
how much they weigh...

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .





---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

>Michel Boucher asks:
>
>>Dave Erring wrote:
>>
>> Let's have everyone post their weight and height here, shall
>> we, along with their age and diet-style and how many times
>> a year they go to the doctor.
>
>Why would we do that?

Heh! Most gals won't admit to their true shoe size.

Fergeddaboudit!

For more than ten years I've been trying to get the rfc trollops to post their
bra size... and this lying piece of shit newbie is lookin' for them to post
how much they weigh...

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .





---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

PENMART01 wrote:

> Heh! Most gals won't admit to their true shoe size.


Did you know Sheldon that in the last 100 years the average woman's shoe
size has almost doubled, e.g. from an average of about a size 5 to now a
size 9...???

--
Best
Greg

PENMART01 wrote:

> Heh! Most gals won't admit to their true shoe size.


Did you know Sheldon that in the last 100 years the average woman's shoe
size has almost doubled, e.g. from an average of about a size 5 to now a
size 9...???

--
Best
Greg

Michel Boucher wrote:

> Dave Urring > wrote in news:_rs3d.311$g42.42
> @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>>Let's have everyone post their weight and height here, shall
>>we, along with their age and diet-style and how many times
>>a year they go to the doctor.
>
> Why would we do that?

So this ****wit can smarmily explain why everyone who eats meat is
stupid, vicious, anti-environment, unhealthy, and contributing to the
delinquency of a minor. And running stoplights.

There's more, but I haven't kept up with all of it. He'll tell you.
Just mention you eat meat. Watch his face get all red. I think his
face is *made* of meat, because meat sometimes gets red, or so I've
heard. No completely sure about that last, though.

Pastorio

Michel Boucher wrote:

> Dave Urring > wrote in news:_rs3d.311$g42.42
> @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>>Let's have everyone post their weight and height here, shall
>>we, along with their age and diet-style and how many times
>>a year they go to the doctor.
>
> Why would we do that?

So this ****wit can smarmily explain why everyone who eats meat is
stupid, vicious, anti-environment, unhealthy, and contributing to the
delinquency of a minor. And running stoplights.

There's more, but I haven't kept up with all of it. He'll tell you.
Just mention you eat meat. Watch his face get all red. I think his
face is *made* of meat, because meat sometimes gets red, or so I've
heard. No completely sure about that last, though.

Pastorio

Dave Urring > sanctimoniously wrote:

> In fact, if you aren't a pure vegetarian, you are *not* an
> environmentalist, rationalize as you will.


Dave, preaching to everybody here and telling us all how 'correct' you
are and the rest of us are a bunch dumb asses for not following your
way of life will get you absolutely NO converts. Personally, I get
tired of just eating vegetables and nothing else. No matter how
cleverly they are disguised to look 'just like a roast chicken' or an
'Easter ham,' the stuff is just still fake meat and nothing more than
a poorly disguised vegetable. I don't care how you supplement your
diet with nuts, grains, Christmas tinsel, or crabgrass, it's still
just boring vegetable matter. If that's the life you want to lead,
fine, but don't wag your finger in my face and tell me how wonderful
everything you do is and how wrong and a bad person I am for not
following your way of life.

And as we all know, anyone can find arguments to backup their claims
of their chosen lifestyle and everybody else's claim is false and
funded by 'evil conspirators.'

I think the doctor visit you are writing about is hard to accomplish
with the patients head in the way.

Richard Kaszeta wrote:

>Dave Urring > writes:
>
>
>>I'll kick things off:
>>
>>Height: 5'10
>>
>>Weight: 163
>>
>>Age: 54yrs
>>
>>Diet-Style: Pure Vegetarian
>>
>>Doctor-Trips/Year: None
>>
>>
>
>Seeing that you are in your 50's, you *should* be making at least one
>trip to the doctor a year, just to screen for health ailments that
>might not be symptomatically obvious (heart disease, cancer, and
>diabetes, just to name three) when easily treatable.
>
>
>

"ItsJoanNotJoAnn" > wrote in message
om...
> Dave Urring > sanctimoniously wrote:
>
> > In fact, if you aren't a pure vegetarian, you are *not* an
> > environmentalist, rationalize as you will.
>
>
> Dave, preaching to everybody here and telling us all how 'correct' you
> are and the rest of us are a bunch dumb asses for not following your
> way of life will get you absolutely NO converts. Personally, I get
> tired of just eating vegetables and nothing else. No matter how
> cleverly they are disguised to look 'just like a roast chicken' or an
> 'Easter ham,' the stuff is just still fake meat and nothing more than
> a poorly disguised vegetable. I don't care how you supplement your
> diet with nuts, grains, Christmas tinsel, or crabgrass, it's still
> just boring vegetable matter. If that's the life you want to lead,
> fine, but don't wag your finger in my face and tell me how wonderful
> everything you do is and how wrong and a bad person I am for not
> following your way of life.
>
> And as we all know, anyone can find arguments to backup their claims
> of their chosen lifestyle and everybody else's claim is false and
> funded by 'evil conspirators.'

People should have learned by now that trying to have an intelligent
discussion with Dave is like debating with a fencepost. His mind is locked
securely shut, he "knows" he is right and has a conspiracy theory argument
to brush away any evidence to the contrary.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"ItsJoanNotJoAnn" > wrote in message
om...
> Dave Urring > sanctimoniously wrote:
>
> > In fact, if you aren't a pure vegetarian, you are *not* an
> > environmentalist, rationalize as you will.
>
>
> Dave, preaching to everybody here and telling us all how 'correct' you
> are and the rest of us are a bunch dumb asses for not following your
> way of life will get you absolutely NO converts. Personally, I get
> tired of just eating vegetables and nothing else. No matter how
> cleverly they are disguised to look 'just like a roast chicken' or an
> 'Easter ham,' the stuff is just still fake meat and nothing more than
> a poorly disguised vegetable. I don't care how you supplement your
> diet with nuts, grains, Christmas tinsel, or crabgrass, it's still
> just boring vegetable matter. If that's the life you want to lead,
> fine, but don't wag your finger in my face and tell me how wonderful
> everything you do is and how wrong and a bad person I am for not
> following your way of life.
>
> And as we all know, anyone can find arguments to backup their claims
> of their chosen lifestyle and everybody else's claim is false and
> funded by 'evil conspirators.'

People should have learned by now that trying to have an intelligent
discussion with Dave is like debating with a fencepost. His mind is locked
securely shut, he "knows" he is right and has a conspiracy theory argument
to brush away any evidence to the contrary.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

In article >,
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

> Dave Urring > sanctimoniously wrote:
>
> > In fact, if you aren't a pure vegetarian, you are *not* an
> > environmentalist, rationalize as you will.

I understand that argument, but I reject it. Every time we buy nearly
anything, we are taking food out of the mouths of the starving masses in
India. If I buy a new car, that factory couldn't make a tractor which
would make food for the starving masses in India. Same for nearly
everything else.

But let's just say that a lot of people give up meat to help the starving
masses in India. There were be a lot more food available. Are those
excess soybeans going to go to India? No, they don't have any money to
buy them with. The problem isn't that we took soybeans away from people
and fed them to animals, the problem is that some people don't have enough
money to buy food. If the starving masses in India had the money to buy
soybeans, then the farmers in the US would be happy to increase their
production of soybeans to sell them.



> Dave, preaching to everybody here and telling us all how 'correct' you
> are and the rest of us are a bunch dumb asses for not following your
> way of life will get you absolutely NO converts. Personally, I get
> tired of just eating vegetables and nothing else. No matter how


That's the good thing about eating vegetarian food. It makes you
appreciate the meat even more the next time you have some!


:-)

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

In article >,
(ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

> Dave Urring > sanctimoniously wrote:
>
> > In fact, if you aren't a pure vegetarian, you are *not* an
> > environmentalist, rationalize as you will.

I understand that argument, but I reject it. Every time we buy nearly
anything, we are taking food out of the mouths of the starving masses in
India. If I buy a new car, that factory couldn't make a tractor which
would make food for the starving masses in India. Same for nearly
everything else.

But let's just say that a lot of people give up meat to help the starving
masses in India. There were be a lot more food available. Are those
excess soybeans going to go to India? No, they don't have any money to
buy them with. The problem isn't that we took soybeans away from people
and fed them to animals, the problem is that some people don't have enough
money to buy food. If the starving masses in India had the money to buy
soybeans, then the farmers in the US would be happy to increase their
production of soybeans to sell them.



> Dave, preaching to everybody here and telling us all how 'correct' you
> are and the rest of us are a bunch dumb asses for not following your
> way of life will get you absolutely NO converts. Personally, I get
> tired of just eating vegetables and nothing else. No matter how


That's the good thing about eating vegetarian food. It makes you
appreciate the meat even more the next time you have some!


:-)

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>
> ...but don't wag your finger in my face and tell me how wonderful
> everything you do is and how wrong and a bad person I am for not
> following your way of life.


That's right. You don't know where that finger's been.

Best regards,
Bob

ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>
> ...but don't wag your finger in my face and tell me how wonderful
> everything you do is and how wrong and a bad person I am for not
> following your way of life.


That's right. You don't know where that finger's been.

Best regards,
Bob

In article . net>, Dave
Urring > wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:


> > But vegetarians find it more difficult to deal with getting the
> > correct mix of amino acids. Omnivores don't even need to worry
> > about that.


> Nope. A myth. From bad science done by people directly or in-
> directly employed by the animal product industry (more than 70%
> of the farms in America grow food for animals, and Agriculture
> funds a lot of universities, just for starters).
>
> They accidentally or deliberately confuse(d) a physiological
> _habituation_ to animal products for a basic metabolical
> condition.
>
> Your education here is incomplete. Have a look at the work of
> scientists that aren't beholden to those business concerns.


My understanding is that independent nutrition scientists have found that
there are certain amino acids that are essential and cannot be
manufactured by the body. They have also found that certain non-animal
foods are low in certain of these amino acids. They have also found that
if you mix various non-animal foods that you will then get all the amino
acids that you need. Foods of animal origin mostly have the correct
balance of amino acids, so omnivores don't need to worry about it. I
don't know much about it, since I am an omnivore, but I know that if you
eat beans, rice and corn, you are covered.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

In article . net>, Dave
Urring > wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:


> > But vegetarians find it more difficult to deal with getting the
> > correct mix of amino acids. Omnivores don't even need to worry
> > about that.


> Nope. A myth. From bad science done by people directly or in-
> directly employed by the animal product industry (more than 70%
> of the farms in America grow food for animals, and Agriculture
> funds a lot of universities, just for starters).
>
> They accidentally or deliberately confuse(d) a physiological
> _habituation_ to animal products for a basic metabolical
> condition.
>
> Your education here is incomplete. Have a look at the work of
> scientists that aren't beholden to those business concerns.


My understanding is that independent nutrition scientists have found that
there are certain amino acids that are essential and cannot be
manufactured by the body. They have also found that certain non-animal
foods are low in certain of these amino acids. They have also found that
if you mix various non-animal foods that you will then get all the amino
acids that you need. Foods of animal origin mostly have the correct
balance of amino acids, so omnivores don't need to worry about it. I
don't know much about it, since I am an omnivore, but I know that if you
eat beans, rice and corn, you are covered.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

zxcvbob > wrote in message >...
> ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
> >
> > ...but don't wag your finger in my face and tell me how wonderful
> > everything you do is and how wrong and a bad person I am for not
> > following your way of life.
>
>
> That's right. You don't know where that finger's been.
>
> Best regards,
> Bob



BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA, that's for damn sure!

zxcvbob > wrote in message >...
> ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
> >
> > ...but don't wag your finger in my face and tell me how wonderful
> > everything you do is and how wrong and a bad person I am for not
> > following your way of life.
>
>
> That's right. You don't know where that finger's been.
>
> Best regards,
> Bob



BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA, that's for damn sure!

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message news:
>
> People should have learned by now that trying to have an intelligent
> discussion with Dave is like debating with a fencepost. His mind is locked
> securely shut, he "knows" he is right and has a conspiracy theory argument
> to brush away any evidence to the contrary.


You're right and I shouldn't have fallen into his overcooked vat of
vegetable slurry. I'm such a 'gourd head.' I'll take my punishment
--- hit me, abuse me, beat me with a bunch of parsley until I write
bad checks.

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message news:
>
> People should have learned by now that trying to have an intelligent
> discussion with Dave is like debating with a fencepost. His mind is locked
> securely shut, he "knows" he is right and has a conspiracy theory argument
> to brush away any evidence to the contrary.


You're right and I shouldn't have fallen into his overcooked vat of
vegetable slurry. I'm such a 'gourd head.' I'll take my punishment
--- hit me, abuse me, beat me with a bunch of parsley until I write
bad checks.

In article >,
PENMART01 > wrote:
>>Michel Boucher asks:
>>
>>>Dave Erring wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's have everyone post their weight and height here, shall
>>> we, along with their age and diet-style and how many times
>>> a year they go to the doctor.
>>
>>Why would we do that?
>
>Heh! Most gals won't admit to their true shoe size.

Ten medium. I learned to deal with it. I was vain about buying shoes in
kollidge and have the curly fry toes to prove it.

>Fergeddaboudit!
>
>For more than ten years I've been trying to get the rfc trollops to post their
>bra size...

Why, Sheldon, you old dog, I didn't know you cared.

34C.

Useta be 34D but I lost some weight.

>and this lying piece of shit newbie is lookin' for them to post
>how much they weigh...

Well, my weight is no big secret, but since mr. troll has an ulterior
motive, my lips are sealed. I will just say that I am an ex-vegetarian
(and was at my heaviest when I was).

Anyway, anyone who starts off a "conversation" that way is up to no good.

If he's in his mid-fifties and never sees a doctor, not even for an annual
exam, he's cruising for trouble.

Charlotte (reminds me I need to schedule my annuals)



--

In article >,
PENMART01 > wrote:
>>Michel Boucher asks:
>>
>>>Dave Erring wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's have everyone post their weight and height here, shall
>>> we, along with their age and diet-style and how many times
>>> a year they go to the doctor.
>>
>>Why would we do that?
>
>Heh! Most gals won't admit to their true shoe size.

Ten medium. I learned to deal with it. I was vain about buying shoes in
kollidge and have the curly fry toes to prove it.

>Fergeddaboudit!
>
>For more than ten years I've been trying to get the rfc trollops to post their
>bra size...

Why, Sheldon, you old dog, I didn't know you cared.

34C.

Useta be 34D but I lost some weight.

>and this lying piece of shit newbie is lookin' for them to post
>how much they weigh...

Well, my weight is no big secret, but since mr. troll has an ulterior
motive, my lips are sealed. I will just say that I am an ex-vegetarian
(and was at my heaviest when I was).

Anyway, anyone who starts off a "conversation" that way is up to no good.

If he's in his mid-fifties and never sees a doctor, not even for an annual
exam, he's cruising for trouble.

Charlotte (reminds me I need to schedule my annuals)



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"kalanamak" > wrote in message
...
(taking a turn...)
>
> BMI 28 and dropping (first diet in over a decade, trying to lose the 25
> lbs. I put on having a baby. Losing 2 lbs. week, which I'm very happy
> with. I am using the "ex-husband diet"...every time I think of my
> ex-husband, I walk away from the fridge).
> Ovo-lacto veggie, with little of ovo or lacto (I don't cook eggs, but
> I'd eat bread with egg in it; only use milk for tea and coffee.)
> Last physical 13 years ago, although I did my pregnancy exams (blood
> pressure, urinalysis, blood tests and ultrasounds for fetal
> abnormalities) as I was ripping up on 44 when baby was born.
> I get a Pap every third year. I did a mammo before getting preggers, and
> will have another at 50. I went to the hospital for tubal reanastamosis
> and birth. Other than that, the only time I go to the doc is when I'm
> too sick to fight off the people dragging me there. I recall a trip,
> over 25 years ago, when my terrified roomates took me to the hospital in
> the back of a pickup, as I'd had such terrible diarrhea for so long, I
> was literally stiff as a board from electrolyte abnormalities and so
> hypotensive I was unable to propped upright.
> blacksalt
> who got healthy genes by pure luck

Girl, you are CHEATING! Not the same as fibbing, but.....
anyway, how come you never mentioned that cool adventure?
Post some good grain-type casseroles?

Tara
terror-at-eskimo-dot-com

"kalanamak" > wrote in message
...
(taking a turn...)
>
> BMI 28 and dropping (first diet in over a decade, trying to lose the 25
> lbs. I put on having a baby. Losing 2 lbs. week, which I'm very happy
> with. I am using the "ex-husband diet"...every time I think of my
> ex-husband, I walk away from the fridge).
> Ovo-lacto veggie, with little of ovo or lacto (I don't cook eggs, but
> I'd eat bread with egg in it; only use milk for tea and coffee.)
> Last physical 13 years ago, although I did my pregnancy exams (blood
> pressure, urinalysis, blood tests and ultrasounds for fetal
> abnormalities) as I was ripping up on 44 when baby was born.
> I get a Pap every third year. I did a mammo before getting preggers, and
> will have another at 50. I went to the hospital for tubal reanastamosis
> and birth. Other than that, the only time I go to the doc is when I'm
> too sick to fight off the people dragging me there. I recall a trip,
> over 25 years ago, when my terrified roomates took me to the hospital in
> the back of a pickup, as I'd had such terrible diarrhea for so long, I
> was literally stiff as a board from electrolyte abnormalities and so
> hypotensive I was unable to propped upright.
> blacksalt
> who got healthy genes by pure luck

Girl, you are CHEATING! Not the same as fibbing, but.....
anyway, how come you never mentioned that cool adventure?
Post some good grain-type casseroles?

Tara
terror-at-eskimo-dot-com

"kalanamak" > wrote in message
...
(taking a turn...)
>
> BMI 28 and dropping (first diet in over a decade, trying to lose the 25
> lbs. I put on having a baby. Losing 2 lbs. week, which I'm very happy
> with. I am using the "ex-husband diet"...every time I think of my
> ex-husband, I walk away from the fridge).
> Ovo-lacto veggie, with little of ovo or lacto (I don't cook eggs, but
> I'd eat bread with egg in it; only use milk for tea and coffee.)
> Last physical 13 years ago, although I did my pregnancy exams (blood
> pressure, urinalysis, blood tests and ultrasounds for fetal
> abnormalities) as I was ripping up on 44 when baby was born.
> I get a Pap every third year. I did a mammo before getting preggers, and
> will have another at 50. I went to the hospital for tubal reanastamosis
> and birth. Other than that, the only time I go to the doc is when I'm
> too sick to fight off the people dragging me there. I recall a trip,
> over 25 years ago, when my terrified roomates took me to the hospital in
> the back of a pickup, as I'd had such terrible diarrhea for so long, I
> was literally stiff as a board from electrolyte abnormalities and so
> hypotensive I was unable to propped upright.
> blacksalt
> who got healthy genes by pure luck

Girl, you are CHEATING! Not the same as fibbing, but.....
anyway, how come you never mentioned that cool adventure?
Post some good grain-type casseroles?

Tara
terror-at-eskimo-dot-com

"kalanamak" > wrote in message
...
(taking a turn...)
>
> BMI 28 and dropping (first diet in over a decade, trying to lose the 25
> lbs. I put on having a baby. Losing 2 lbs. week, which I'm very happy
> with. I am using the "ex-husband diet"...every time I think of my
> ex-husband, I walk away from the fridge).
> Ovo-lacto veggie, with little of ovo or lacto (I don't cook eggs, but
> I'd eat bread with egg in it; only use milk for tea and coffee.)
> Last physical 13 years ago, although I did my pregnancy exams (blood
> pressure, urinalysis, blood tests and ultrasounds for fetal
> abnormalities) as I was ripping up on 44 when baby was born.
> I get a Pap every third year. I did a mammo before getting preggers, and
> will have another at 50. I went to the hospital for tubal reanastamosis
> and birth. Other than that, the only time I go to the doc is when I'm
> too sick to fight off the people dragging me there. I recall a trip,
> over 25 years ago, when my terrified roomates took me to the hospital in
> the back of a pickup, as I'd had such terrible diarrhea for so long, I
> was literally stiff as a board from electrolyte abnormalities and so
> hypotensive I was unable to propped upright.
> blacksalt
> who got healthy genes by pure luck

Girl, you are CHEATING! Not the same as fibbing, but.....
anyway, how come you never mentioned that cool adventure?
Post some good grain-type casseroles?

Tara
terror-at-eskimo-dot-com

Kenny > wrote:

>> I'd answer, but it's way more complicated than that.
>> I've changed my eating habits drastically at least twice in
>> the past two years to accomplish different goals. I lost
>> 40 lbs eating one good meal a day, now I'm turning 10-15
>> lbs of fat into muscle by eating 6 small meals and doing
>> 500-1000 kcal of exercise every day.
>>
>> At least, I hope I am.

>great! but 500-1000Kcal? unbelieveable.

Not really. 500 kcal (500 food calories) is an hour to
90 minutes in the gym, and 1000 is an hour doing 20 mph
on a bike.

And the irony is, it doesn't burn the fat off faster.

The fat burns at the rate of calorie deficit. And if your
calorie deficit goes below about 800 you go into starvation
mode and stop burning fat and start burning muscle.

I can keep up 800 cals of deficit just by eating one meal
a day (which worked). But as soon as I started exercising
it threw me well above an 800-calorie deficit.

So now instead of eating about 1500-1800 cal/day in one
meal plus maybe a snack, I'm eating 2200-2500 cal/day
in 5-6, 300-500 calorie meals. Not as much fun as just
stacking cheeseburgers.

Carbohydrate/Protein/Fat ratios are also critical, but
it'd take another month of posts to explain fully, and I'm
only just beginning to track it well enough to be able to
correlate inputs to effects in my case. We'll see how it
looks around Thanksgiving.

If the calculations are correct and I don't blow out a
shoulder, I should be down from about 20% bodyfat (now)
to about 10%, and I may actually gain weight, but there
is no way to calculate muscle gain the way you can predict
fat loss by dividing calorie defict by 3300 cal/lb.

--Blair
"Hey. This food stuff really works!"