How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

ospam (DJS0302) wrote in
:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower
> inside a dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn
> off the heating element so the dishes air dry thereby saving
> electricity but things made of plastic never dry completely. Why
> can't they put in a fan that will either pull the moisture out of the
> dishwasher or have one that blows the air around in the dishwasher to
> blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to run for a
> minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.
>

At least one manufacturer, KitchenAid, has used a heated, forced air
drying system since as early as the mid-1950s. The fan is concealed
under the tub, the the heated air enters the tub and circulates to
accelerate drying. Having had several K/A dishwashers over the years,
I'm surprised that more manufacturers don't incorporate a similar system.

--
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ospam (DJS0302) wrote in
:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower
> inside a dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn
> off the heating element so the dishes air dry thereby saving
> electricity but things made of plastic never dry completely. Why
> can't they put in a fan that will either pull the moisture out of the
> dishwasher or have one that blows the air around in the dishwasher to
> blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to run for a
> minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.
>

At least one manufacturer, KitchenAid, has used a heated, forced air
drying system since as early as the mid-1950s. The fan is concealed
under the tub, the the heated air enters the tub and circulates to
accelerate drying. Having had several K/A dishwashers over the years,
I'm surprised that more manufacturers don't incorporate a similar system.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

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ospam (DJS0302) wrote in
:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower
> inside a dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn
> off the heating element so the dishes air dry thereby saving
> electricity but things made of plastic never dry completely. Why
> can't they put in a fan that will either pull the moisture out of the
> dishwasher or have one that blows the air around in the dishwasher to
> blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to run for a
> minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.
>

At least one manufacturer, KitchenAid, has used a heated, forced air
drying system since as early as the mid-1950s. The fan is concealed
under the tub, the the heated air enters the tub and circulates to
accelerate drying. Having had several K/A dishwashers over the years,
I'm surprised that more manufacturers don't incorporate a similar system.

--
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"Wayne" > wrote in message
...
> ospam (DJS0302) wrote in
> :
>
>> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower
>> inside a dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn
>> off the heating element so the dishes air dry thereby saving
>> electricity but things made of plastic never dry completely. Why
>> can't they put in a fan that will either pull the moisture out of the
>> dishwasher or have one that blows the air around in the dishwasher to
>> blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to run for a
>> minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.
>>
>
> At least one manufacturer, KitchenAid, has used a heated, forced air
> drying system since as early as the mid-1950s. The fan is concealed
> under the tub, the the heated air enters the tub and circulates to
> accelerate drying. Having had several K/A dishwashers over the years,
> I'm surprised that more manufacturers don't incorporate a similar system.
>

?? So, does the KitchenAid have the option of forced air without the
heating? I am amazed that I have never even known KA's had forced-air
heat-dryers. I was just looking at one considering a purchase.

"Wayne" > wrote in message
...
> ospam (DJS0302) wrote in
> :
>
>> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower
>> inside a dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn
>> off the heating element so the dishes air dry thereby saving
>> electricity but things made of plastic never dry completely. Why
>> can't they put in a fan that will either pull the moisture out of the
>> dishwasher or have one that blows the air around in the dishwasher to
>> blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to run for a
>> minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.
>>
>
> At least one manufacturer, KitchenAid, has used a heated, forced air
> drying system since as early as the mid-1950s. The fan is concealed
> under the tub, the the heated air enters the tub and circulates to
> accelerate drying. Having had several K/A dishwashers over the years,
> I'm surprised that more manufacturers don't incorporate a similar system.
>

?? So, does the KitchenAid have the option of forced air without the
heating? I am amazed that I have never even known KA's had forced-air
heat-dryers. I was just looking at one considering a purchase.

"DJS0302" > wrote in message
...
> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
> dishwasher?


They have. Kitchen Aid has been doing that for 30 years that I know of.

"DJS0302" > wrote in message
...
> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
> dishwasher?


They have. Kitchen Aid has been doing that for 30 years that I know of.

DJS0302 wrote:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
> dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
> element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
> plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
> pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
> in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
> run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

Um, several makers do. Mine does. In the hot dry cycle, you can see a
small plume of water vapor coming out below the handle for a few
minutes and it dries very efficiently. The fan that would merely blow
air around inside the unit wouldn't likely dry things very well.
There's 100% humidity in there after the rinse cycle.

Pastorio

DJS0302 wrote:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
> dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
> element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
> plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
> pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
> in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
> run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

Um, several makers do. Mine does. In the hot dry cycle, you can see a
small plume of water vapor coming out below the handle for a few
minutes and it dries very efficiently. The fan that would merely blow
air around inside the unit wouldn't likely dry things very well.
There's 100% humidity in there after the rinse cycle.

Pastorio

DJS0302 wrote:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
> dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
> element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
> plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
> pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
> in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
> run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

Um, several makers do. Mine does. In the hot dry cycle, you can see a
small plume of water vapor coming out below the handle for a few
minutes and it dries very efficiently. The fan that would merely blow
air around inside the unit wouldn't likely dry things very well.
There's 100% humidity in there after the rinse cycle.

Pastorio

On 21 Sep 2004 05:23:40 GMT, ospam (DJS0302) wrote:

>How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
>dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
>element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
>plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
>pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
>in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
>run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

My Miele has that.
Mind you, plastic still doesn't dry completely.

Nathalie in Switzerland

On 21 Sep 2004 05:23:40 GMT, ospam (DJS0302) wrote:

>How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
>dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
>element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
>plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
>pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
>in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
>run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

My Miele has that.
Mind you, plastic still doesn't dry completely.

Nathalie in Switzerland

"zuuum" > wrote in
:

>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ospam (DJS0302) wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower
>>> inside a dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn
>>> off the heating element so the dishes air dry thereby saving
>>> electricity but things made of plastic never dry completely. Why
>>> can't they put in a fan that will either pull the moisture out of
>>> the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around in the
>>> dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have
>>> to run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process
>>> started.
>>>
>>
>> At least one manufacturer, KitchenAid, has used a heated, forced air
>> drying system since as early as the mid-1950s. The fan is concealed
>> under the tub, the the heated air enters the tub and circulates to
>> accelerate drying. Having had several K/A dishwashers over the
>> years, I'm surprised that more manufacturers don't incorporate a
>> similar system.
>>
>
> ?? So, does the KitchenAid have the option of forced air without the
> heating? I am amazed that I have never even known KA's had forced-air
> heat-dryers. I was just looking at one considering a purchase.

I don't know about the current models...perhaps. That was not an option
with earlier models.

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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in
om:

>
> "DJS0302" > wrote in message
> ...
>> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower
>> inside a dishwasher?
>
>
> They have. Kitchen Aid has been doing that for 30 years that I know
> of.
>
>

Even longer, Ed. My parents' first Kitchen Aid had the forced air drying
in 1956.

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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in
om:

>
> "DJS0302" > wrote in message
> ...
>> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower
>> inside a dishwasher?
>
>
> They have. Kitchen Aid has been doing that for 30 years that I know
> of.
>
>

Even longer, Ed. My parents' first Kitchen Aid had the forced air drying
in 1956.

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>(DJS0302) wrote:
>
>>How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
>>dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
>>element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
>>plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
>>pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air
>around
>>in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have
>to
>>run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

You don't state what brand you have.

My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate a
fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but the fan
runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things that don't
dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even the "Heated
Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded bowl. This
Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units with the
all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there the drying
cycle uses super heated air. I used that option once before I realized that
the excess electric consumed would not make this feature worthwhile to me... no
one has sterile dishes unless after autoclaving they're robotically sealed
hermetically.

Come to think of it my last 20 year old GE dishwasher had exactly the same
forced air drying... I always thought all dishwahers incorporated a fan dry
cycle, either cold or heated air... otherwise it would be like a clothes washer
just shutting down after the final rinse water is pumped out and not having a
spin dry cycle. And from what I've heard, these days some of the front load
clothes washers also act as dryers, totally eliminating the need for stand
alone clothes dryers... when my present washer goes I will look into that.


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````````````

>(DJS0302) wrote:
>
>>How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
>>dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
>>element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
>>plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
>>pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air
>around
>>in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have
>to
>>run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

You don't state what brand you have.

My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate a
fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but the fan
runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things that don't
dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even the "Heated
Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded bowl. This
Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units with the
all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there the drying
cycle uses super heated air. I used that option once before I realized that
the excess electric consumed would not make this feature worthwhile to me... no
one has sterile dishes unless after autoclaving they're robotically sealed
hermetically.

Come to think of it my last 20 year old GE dishwasher had exactly the same
forced air drying... I always thought all dishwahers incorporated a fan dry
cycle, either cold or heated air... otherwise it would be like a clothes washer
just shutting down after the final rinse water is pumped out and not having a
spin dry cycle. And from what I've heard, these days some of the front load
clothes washers also act as dryers, totally eliminating the need for stand
alone clothes dryers... when my present washer goes I will look into that.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

>(DJS0302) wrote:
>
>>How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
>>dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
>>element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
>>plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
>>pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air
>around
>>in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have
>to
>>run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

You don't state what brand you have.

My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate a
fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but the fan
runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things that don't
dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even the "Heated
Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded bowl. This
Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units with the
all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there the drying
cycle uses super heated air. I used that option once before I realized that
the excess electric consumed would not make this feature worthwhile to me... no
one has sterile dishes unless after autoclaving they're robotically sealed
hermetically.

Come to think of it my last 20 year old GE dishwasher had exactly the same
forced air drying... I always thought all dishwahers incorporated a fan dry
cycle, either cold or heated air... otherwise it would be like a clothes washer
just shutting down after the final rinse water is pumped out and not having a
spin dry cycle. And from what I've heard, these days some of the front load
clothes washers also act as dryers, totally eliminating the need for stand
alone clothes dryers... when my present washer goes I will look into that.


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---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
> >(DJS0302) wrote:
>>
>>>How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside
>>>a
>>>dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the
>>>heating
>>>element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made
>>>of
>>>plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will
>>>either
>>>pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air
>>around
>>>in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only
>>>have
>>to
>>>run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.
>
> You don't state what brand you have.
>
> My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate a
> fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but the
> fan
> runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things that
> don't
> dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even the
> "Heated
> Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded bowl.
> This
> Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units with
> the
> all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there the
> drying
> cycle uses super heated air. I used that option once before I realized
> that
> the excess electric consumed would not make this feature worthwhile to
> me... no
> one has sterile dishes unless after autoclaving they're robotically sealed
> hermetically.
>
> Come to think of it my last 20 year old GE dishwasher had exactly the same
> forced air drying... I always thought all dishwahers incorporated a fan
> dry
> cycle, either cold or heated air... otherwise it would be like a clothes
> washer
> just shutting down after the final rinse water is pumped out and not
> having a
> spin dry cycle. And from what I've heard, these days some of the front
> load
> clothes washers also act as dryers, totally eliminating the need for stand
> alone clothes dryers... when my present washer goes I will look into that.
>
Amen, that blower technology (in a dishwasher) is a pretty old idea, and a
good one.

As for your other comment, I have that Equator combo washer dryer that
shifts to a dry cycle after the last spin.

The plus side is its convenience of not having to shift clothes around to
dry, and that it's a front load washer. They recommend using low sudsing
detergent; most brands make them and they're labeled 'He', for
high-efficiency. I used to go that route but now just use regular liquid
detergent, only a lot less. Also, my local appliance dude lists Equator in
his roster of appliances.

The downside is that it's not a full capacity machine (being single I don't
need one) and that even after the dry cycle, most items are still a bit
damp, but will dry on a line in about 20 minutes.

It's not perfect, but I appreciate the smaller total laundry machine
footprint as I live in a smaller house. I've had it for almost 3 years now
and well, knock on wood, it's been hassle free. They also have available a
kit to make the machine a portable type, with kitchen sink faucet hookup and
a wheel kit. They did, anyway, when I made my purchase.

Jack Rinso

"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
> >(DJS0302) wrote:
>>
>>>How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside
>>>a
>>>dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the
>>>heating
>>>element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made
>>>of
>>>plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will
>>>either
>>>pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air
>>around
>>>in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only
>>>have
>>to
>>>run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.
>
> You don't state what brand you have.
>
> My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate a
> fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but the
> fan
> runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things that
> don't
> dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even the
> "Heated
> Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded bowl.
> This
> Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units with
> the
> all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there the
> drying
> cycle uses super heated air. I used that option once before I realized
> that
> the excess electric consumed would not make this feature worthwhile to
> me... no
> one has sterile dishes unless after autoclaving they're robotically sealed
> hermetically.
>
> Come to think of it my last 20 year old GE dishwasher had exactly the same
> forced air drying... I always thought all dishwahers incorporated a fan
> dry
> cycle, either cold or heated air... otherwise it would be like a clothes
> washer
> just shutting down after the final rinse water is pumped out and not
> having a
> spin dry cycle. And from what I've heard, these days some of the front
> load
> clothes washers also act as dryers, totally eliminating the need for stand
> alone clothes dryers... when my present washer goes I will look into that.
>
Amen, that blower technology (in a dishwasher) is a pretty old idea, and a
good one.

As for your other comment, I have that Equator combo washer dryer that
shifts to a dry cycle after the last spin.

The plus side is its convenience of not having to shift clothes around to
dry, and that it's a front load washer. They recommend using low sudsing
detergent; most brands make them and they're labeled 'He', for
high-efficiency. I used to go that route but now just use regular liquid
detergent, only a lot less. Also, my local appliance dude lists Equator in
his roster of appliances.

The downside is that it's not a full capacity machine (being single I don't
need one) and that even after the dry cycle, most items are still a bit
damp, but will dry on a line in about 20 minutes.

It's not perfect, but I appreciate the smaller total laundry machine
footprint as I live in a smaller house. I've had it for almost 3 years now
and well, knock on wood, it's been hassle free. They also have available a
kit to make the machine a portable type, with kitchen sink faucet hookup and
a wheel kit. They did, anyway, when I made my purchase.

Jack Rinso

DJS0302 wrote:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
> dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
> element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
> plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
> pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
> in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
> run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

Every dishwasher I have had has had a fan to blow off that excess moisture.

DJS0302 wrote:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
> dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
> element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
> plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
> pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
> in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
> run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

Every dishwasher I have had has had a fan to blow off that excess moisture.

>"Jack Schidt®" writes:
>Amen, that blower technology (in a dishwasher) is a pretty old idea, and a
>good one.
>
>As for your other comment, I have that Equator combo washer dryer that
>shifts to a dry cycle after the last spin.
>
>The plus side is its convenience of not having to shift clothes around to
>dry, and that it's a front load washer. They recommend using low sudsing
>detergent; most brands make them and they're labeled 'He', for
>high-efficiency. I used to go that route but now just use regular liquid
>detergent, only a lot less.

Having a water softener enables me to use half or less than half of all
cleaning products... took a while getting used to and still at times finding
myself doubting the cleaning power of using less, probably all a pyschological
*size* visual... 'specilaly since for some reason I have a predisposition to
choose laundry detergent and such in the *biggest jugs".

Also, my local appliance dude lists Equator in
>his roster of appliances.
>
>The downside is that it's not a full capacity machine (being single I don't
>need one) and that even after the dry cycle, most items are still a bit
>damp, but will dry on a line in about 20 minutes.
>
>It's not perfect, but I appreciate the smaller total laundry machine
>footprint as I live in a smaller house. I've had it for almost 3 years now
>and well, knock on wood, it's been hassle free. They also have available a
>kit to make the machine a portable type, with kitchen sink faucet hookup and
>a wheel kit. They did, anyway, when I made my purchase.
>
>Jack Rinso

I wonder how the smaller capacity unit handles large items, like queen-size
extra deep fitted sheets, bed spreads, comforters, bath mats, small rugs,
etc.... perhaps there exist full size units in that 2 in 1 front load
configuration.. my present washer (Whirlpool) is about a year old and works
fine, I purposely bought the extra large tub model just so I wouldn't have to
haul large items to the laundromat. But I'd consider a 2 in 1 machne next
time... that reclaimed additional space would be just enough to enable me to
install a nice sized sauna.

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````````````

>"Jack Schidt®" writes:
>Amen, that blower technology (in a dishwasher) is a pretty old idea, and a
>good one.
>
>As for your other comment, I have that Equator combo washer dryer that
>shifts to a dry cycle after the last spin.
>
>The plus side is its convenience of not having to shift clothes around to
>dry, and that it's a front load washer. They recommend using low sudsing
>detergent; most brands make them and they're labeled 'He', for
>high-efficiency. I used to go that route but now just use regular liquid
>detergent, only a lot less.

Having a water softener enables me to use half or less than half of all
cleaning products... took a while getting used to and still at times finding
myself doubting the cleaning power of using less, probably all a pyschological
*size* visual... 'specilaly since for some reason I have a predisposition to
choose laundry detergent and such in the *biggest jugs".

Also, my local appliance dude lists Equator in
>his roster of appliances.
>
>The downside is that it's not a full capacity machine (being single I don't
>need one) and that even after the dry cycle, most items are still a bit
>damp, but will dry on a line in about 20 minutes.
>
>It's not perfect, but I appreciate the smaller total laundry machine
>footprint as I live in a smaller house. I've had it for almost 3 years now
>and well, knock on wood, it's been hassle free. They also have available a
>kit to make the machine a portable type, with kitchen sink faucet hookup and
>a wheel kit. They did, anyway, when I made my purchase.
>
>Jack Rinso

I wonder how the smaller capacity unit handles large items, like queen-size
extra deep fitted sheets, bed spreads, comforters, bath mats, small rugs,
etc.... perhaps there exist full size units in that 2 in 1 front load
configuration.. my present washer (Whirlpool) is about a year old and works
fine, I purposely bought the extra large tub model just so I wouldn't have to
haul large items to the laundromat. But I'd consider a 2 in 1 machne next
time... that reclaimed additional space would be just enough to enable me to
install a nice sized sauna.

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Sheldon
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> My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate a
> fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but the
> fan
> runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things that
> don't
> dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even the
> "Heated
> Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded bowl.
> This
> Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units with
> the
> all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there the
> drying
> cycle uses super heated air.

Wouldn't super heated air deform plastic containers or their tops?

> My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate a
> fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but the
> fan
> runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things that
> don't
> dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even the
> "Heated
> Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded bowl.
> This
> Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units with
> the
> all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there the
> drying
> cycle uses super heated air.

Wouldn't super heated air deform plastic containers or their tops?

"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
> >"Jack Schidt®" writes:
>>Amen, that blower technology (in a dishwasher) is a pretty old idea, and a
>>good one.
>>
>>As for your other comment, I have that Equator combo washer dryer that
>>shifts to a dry cycle after the last spin.
>>
>>The plus side is its convenience of not having to shift clothes around to
>>dry, and that it's a front load washer. They recommend using low sudsing
>>detergent; most brands make them and they're labeled 'He', for
>>high-efficiency. I used to go that route but now just use regular liquid
>>detergent, only a lot less.
>
> Having a water softener enables me to use half or less than half of all
> cleaning products... took a while getting used to and still at times
> finding
> myself doubting the cleaning power of using less, probably all a
> pyschological
> *size* visual... 'specilaly since for some reason I have a predisposition
> to
> choose laundry detergent and such in the *biggest jugs".
>
> Also, my local appliance dude lists Equator in
>>his roster of appliances.
>>
>>The downside is that it's not a full capacity machine (being single I
>>don't
>>need one) and that even after the dry cycle, most items are still a bit
>>damp, but will dry on a line in about 20 minutes.
>>
>>It's not perfect, but I appreciate the smaller total laundry machine
>>footprint as I live in a smaller house. I've had it for almost 3 years
>>now
>>and well, knock on wood, it's been hassle free. They also have available
>>a
>>kit to make the machine a portable type, with kitchen sink faucet hookup
>>and
>>a wheel kit. They did, anyway, when I made my purchase.
>>
>>Jack Rinso
>
> I wonder how the smaller capacity unit handles large items, like
> queen-size
> extra deep fitted sheets, bed spreads, comforters, bath mats, small rugs,
> etc.... perhaps there exist full size units in that 2 in 1 front load
> configuration.. my present washer (Whirlpool) is about a year old and
> works
> fine, I purposely bought the extra large tub model just so I wouldn't have
> to
> haul large items to the laundromat. But I'd consider a 2 in 1 machne next
> time... that reclaimed additional space would be just enough to enable me
> to
> install a nice sized sauna.
>

Mind you, all of my research into the purchase is over 3 years old so who
knows? I would like to see full sized machines doing dual duty. Damn,
that's hard to type, let alone say.

Jack Typoral

"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
> >"Jack Schidt®" writes:
>>Amen, that blower technology (in a dishwasher) is a pretty old idea, and a
>>good one.
>>
>>As for your other comment, I have that Equator combo washer dryer that
>>shifts to a dry cycle after the last spin.
>>
>>The plus side is its convenience of not having to shift clothes around to
>>dry, and that it's a front load washer. They recommend using low sudsing
>>detergent; most brands make them and they're labeled 'He', for
>>high-efficiency. I used to go that route but now just use regular liquid
>>detergent, only a lot less.
>
> Having a water softener enables me to use half or less than half of all
> cleaning products... took a while getting used to and still at times
> finding
> myself doubting the cleaning power of using less, probably all a
> pyschological
> *size* visual... 'specilaly since for some reason I have a predisposition
> to
> choose laundry detergent and such in the *biggest jugs".
>
> Also, my local appliance dude lists Equator in
>>his roster of appliances.
>>
>>The downside is that it's not a full capacity machine (being single I
>>don't
>>need one) and that even after the dry cycle, most items are still a bit
>>damp, but will dry on a line in about 20 minutes.
>>
>>It's not perfect, but I appreciate the smaller total laundry machine
>>footprint as I live in a smaller house. I've had it for almost 3 years
>>now
>>and well, knock on wood, it's been hassle free. They also have available
>>a
>>kit to make the machine a portable type, with kitchen sink faucet hookup
>>and
>>a wheel kit. They did, anyway, when I made my purchase.
>>
>>Jack Rinso
>
> I wonder how the smaller capacity unit handles large items, like
> queen-size
> extra deep fitted sheets, bed spreads, comforters, bath mats, small rugs,
> etc.... perhaps there exist full size units in that 2 in 1 front load
> configuration.. my present washer (Whirlpool) is about a year old and
> works
> fine, I purposely bought the extra large tub model just so I wouldn't have
> to
> haul large items to the laundromat. But I'd consider a 2 in 1 machne next
> time... that reclaimed additional space would be just enough to enable me
> to
> install a nice sized sauna.
>

Mind you, all of my research into the purchase is over 3 years old so who
knows? I would like to see full sized machines doing dual duty. Damn,
that's hard to type, let alone say.

Jack Typoral

"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
> >"Jack Schidt®" writes:
>>Amen, that blower technology (in a dishwasher) is a pretty old idea, and a
>>good one.
>>
>>As for your other comment, I have that Equator combo washer dryer that
>>shifts to a dry cycle after the last spin.
>>
>>The plus side is its convenience of not having to shift clothes around to
>>dry, and that it's a front load washer. They recommend using low sudsing
>>detergent; most brands make them and they're labeled 'He', for
>>high-efficiency. I used to go that route but now just use regular liquid
>>detergent, only a lot less.
>
> Having a water softener enables me to use half or less than half of all
> cleaning products... took a while getting used to and still at times
> finding
> myself doubting the cleaning power of using less, probably all a
> pyschological
> *size* visual... 'specilaly since for some reason I have a predisposition
> to
> choose laundry detergent and such in the *biggest jugs".
>
> Also, my local appliance dude lists Equator in
>>his roster of appliances.
>>
>>The downside is that it's not a full capacity machine (being single I
>>don't
>>need one) and that even after the dry cycle, most items are still a bit
>>damp, but will dry on a line in about 20 minutes.
>>
>>It's not perfect, but I appreciate the smaller total laundry machine
>>footprint as I live in a smaller house. I've had it for almost 3 years
>>now
>>and well, knock on wood, it's been hassle free. They also have available
>>a
>>kit to make the machine a portable type, with kitchen sink faucet hookup
>>and
>>a wheel kit. They did, anyway, when I made my purchase.
>>
>>Jack Rinso
>
> I wonder how the smaller capacity unit handles large items, like
> queen-size
> extra deep fitted sheets, bed spreads, comforters, bath mats, small rugs,
> etc.... perhaps there exist full size units in that 2 in 1 front load
> configuration.. my present washer (Whirlpool) is about a year old and
> works
> fine, I purposely bought the extra large tub model just so I wouldn't have
> to
> haul large items to the laundromat. But I'd consider a 2 in 1 machne next
> time... that reclaimed additional space would be just enough to enable me
> to
> install a nice sized sauna.
>

Mind you, all of my research into the purchase is over 3 years old so who
knows? I would like to see full sized machines doing dual duty. Damn,
that's hard to type, let alone say.

Jack Typoral

>"Kswck" asks:
>
>> My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate a
>> fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but the
>> fan
>> runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things that
>> don't
>> dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even the
>> "Heated
>> Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded bowl.
>> This
>> Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units with
>> the
>> all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there the
>> drying
>> cycle uses super heated air.
>
>Wouldn't super heated air deform plastic containers or their tops?

Probably... but I don't place plastic thingies in my dishwasher regardless.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

>"Kswck" asks:
>
>> My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate a
>> fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but the
>> fan
>> runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things that
>> don't
>> dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even the
>> "Heated
>> Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded bowl.
>> This
>> Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units with
>> the
>> all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there the
>> drying
>> cycle uses super heated air.
>
>Wouldn't super heated air deform plastic containers or their tops?

Probably... but I don't place plastic thingies in my dishwasher regardless.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

"Kswck" > wrote in
t:

>
>
>> My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate
>> a fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but
>> the fan
>> runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things
>> that don't
>> dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even
>> the "Heated
>> Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded
>> bowl. This
>> Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units
>> with the
>> all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there
>> the drying
>> cycle uses super heated air.
>
> Wouldn't super heated air deform plastic containers or their tops?
>
>

I haven't seen that happen in a K/A, any moreso than heat alone.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

unmunge as w-e-b

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

"Kswck" > wrote in
t:

>
>
>> My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate
>> a fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but
>> the fan
>> runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things
>> that don't
>> dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even
>> the "Heated
>> Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded
>> bowl. This
>> Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units
>> with the
>> all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there
>> the drying
>> cycle uses super heated air.
>
> Wouldn't super heated air deform plastic containers or their tops?
>
>

I haven't seen that happen in a K/A, any moreso than heat alone.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

unmunge as w-e-b

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

"Kswck" > wrote in
t:

>
>
>> My new Maytag has a "Dry" and "Heated Dry" option... both incorporate
>> a fan/blower. I usually use the plain old "Dry" option, no heat, but
>> the fan
>> runs for 20 minutes and most things dry... in fact the only things
>> that don't
>> dry are those I've not loaded properly so that puddles form... even
>> the "Heated
>> Dry' option won't dry out the puddle inside an improperly loaded
>> bowl. This
>> Maytag also has a "Sanitize" option (I think only available on units
>> with the
>> all stainless steel interiors - I sprung for the extra $50), there
>> the drying
>> cycle uses super heated air.
>
> Wouldn't super heated air deform plastic containers or their tops?
>
>

I haven't seen that happen in a K/A, any moreso than heat alone.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

unmunge as w-e-b

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

On 21 Sep 2004 05:23:40 GMT, ospam (DJS0302)
wrote:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
> dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
> element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
> plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
> pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
> in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
> run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

My dishwasher is a Bosch... 10 or more years old. I haven't
EVER used Full Cycle in the entire time I've owned it. I
always use "air dry". It dries as long as you keep the door
closed, but it has an annoying "beep" that forces you to
open the door just to turn the danged sound off. Once
you've opened the door, it's all over (nothing dries
properly if you close it again) - so you have to finish
drying with the door open.

I don't have a problem with plastic drying, in any case...
maybe someone is forgetting their Jet Dry???

sf
Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On 21 Sep 2004 05:23:40 GMT, ospam (DJS0302)
wrote:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
> dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
> element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
> plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
> pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
> in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
> run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

My dishwasher is a Bosch... 10 or more years old. I haven't
EVER used Full Cycle in the entire time I've owned it. I
always use "air dry". It dries as long as you keep the door
closed, but it has an annoying "beep" that forces you to
open the door just to turn the danged sound off. Once
you've opened the door, it's all over (nothing dries
properly if you close it again) - so you have to finish
drying with the door open.

I don't have a problem with plastic drying, in any case...
maybe someone is forgetting their Jet Dry???

sf
Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On 21 Sep 2004 05:23:40 GMT, ospam (DJS0302)
wrote:

> How come no one has ever thought of putting a small fan or blower inside a
> dishwasher? They all come with an option that let you turn off the heating
> element so the dishes air dry thereby saving electricity but things made of
> plastic never dry completely. Why can't they put in a fan that will either
> pull the moisture out of the dishwasher or have one that blows the air around
> in the dishwasher to blow excess water off the dishes? It would only have to
> run for a minute or two, just enough to get the drying process started.

My dishwasher is a Bosch... 10 or more years old. I haven't
EVER used Full Cycle in the entire time I've owned it. I
always use "air dry". It dries as long as you keep the door
closed, but it has an annoying "beep" that forces you to
open the door just to turn the danged sound off. Once
you've opened the door, it's all over (nothing dries
properly if you close it again) - so you have to finish
drying with the door open.

I don't have a problem with plastic drying, in any case...
maybe someone is forgetting their Jet Dry???

sf
Practice safe eating - always use condiments

"sf" > wrote in message >
> My dishwasher is a Bosch... 10 or more years old. I haven't
> EVER used Full Cycle in the entire time I've owned it. I
> always use "air dry". It dries as long as you keep the door
> closed, but it has an annoying "beep" that forces you to
> open the door just to turn the danged sound off.

If you are there within the first couple of minutes of the last rinse cycle,
open the door and you get things about 95% dry. Just a whooooosh of vapor
when you open the door. It has to be done within the first five or so
minutes.

"sf" > wrote in message >
> My dishwasher is a Bosch... 10 or more years old. I haven't
> EVER used Full Cycle in the entire time I've owned it. I
> always use "air dry". It dries as long as you keep the door
> closed, but it has an annoying "beep" that forces you to
> open the door just to turn the danged sound off.

If you are there within the first couple of minutes of the last rinse cycle,
open the door and you get things about 95% dry. Just a whooooosh of vapor
when you open the door. It has to be done within the first five or so
minutes.