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(Victor Sack) wrote: > Luca Pinotti > wrote: > > > "Victor Sack" > wrote in message > > ... > > > Luca Pinotti > wrote: > > > > > >> Is Victor pretending he knows Italy better than Italians? Cretino... > > > > > > There is absolutely no doubt that I know more than one particular > > > Italian, namely Luca Pinotti, and this is easy to see by his posts in > > > which he repeats virtually the same things I said earlier and posts > > > the > > > > That's you are an idiot... > > That's it? > > Well, I've never said you are one, but I can say it now if you insist. > Satisfied? > > > german immigrants? > > NO: http://gens.labo.net/it/cognomi/genera.html > > YOY ARE A FAKE! > > Was your gran-gran-gend-son of an italian? > > Are we talking about italian cooking? > > What you are? Fifth, sixth generation italian-german-american-americam > > or > > what? > > Are you trying to divine my ethnicity or nationality by my e-mail > address? What a hoot! Thanks for providing some additional merryment! > > BTW, you really ought to consider, first, reading some novels and, > second, learning about the Internet and how to look up domains. That > will answer some of your stupid and irrelevant questions. > > Also, your apparent conviction that only an ethnic Italian from Italy > can know anything about Italian cuisine is ridiculous in the extreme. > Another, implied, conviction that an average Italian knows a lot about > it just by being Italian is just as ridiculous. In this case, with you > being a caricature of every negative Italian stereotype, we are dealing > with a definitely below-average Italian. Besides, you are even > contradicting yourself in nearly every post of yours about Italian > cooking. > > > YOU ARE JUST AN IGNORNANT, ARROGANT *TERRONE*. > > I said you were showing xenophobic tendencies and now you've removed any > doubt. > > > You do not know anithing. Youu ar a such > > ass, arrognat ignorant idiot. > > You are projecting too hard, dearie. It causes palpitations, shaking > hands, foaming at the mouth and insomnia. It does little good for the > health of someone who is obviously unemployed or idle and, in any case, > has no life, considering that, on Friday, a workday, he was posting on > rfc at 8:33 a.m., 9:37 a.m., 10:02 a.m., 3:17 p.m, 4:00 p.m., 6:32 p.m., > and at 1 a.m. (Saturday). > > > Would you talk about Schweinaxe? > > There is no such thing. There is Schweinehaxe, though. What would you > like to know about it? > > > "Se tu sapessi l'italiano sapreti come rispondere. Ma sei un povero > > pirla" > > Maybe I could, maybe not. Why would I want to do that on an > English-speaking newsgroup? Are you asking for a special favour? > > > You are a fake german, a fake. utalian and a fake american. > > Maybe I do not exist, then, and all the time you've been talking to a > reflection in your mirror? > > > You are just a real IDIOT. > > Your vocabulary is very limited. You should consider investing in a > dictionary. > > > But you are more exiting than the friday night show on Eu TVs.... > > If you say so. > > > How do you say u=in Kautland? > > You are getting more incoherent by the minute. Are you drinking or > smoking something to get your nerves in order? > > > An ass with ears.. > > Asses always have ears, unless mutilated (maybe that's what you do in > your abundance of free time). Look up 'arse' (in the doctionary and in > the mirror). Enjoy. > > > That what's you are. > > In the light of all of the above, you don't know at all who I might be. > > > Grüße > > Luca > > Ciao, > > Victor Oh, Victor. . . . he doesn't give up easily. Poor *******. LOL! -- -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 10-9-04; Sam I Am! tab. "Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power." -Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn. |
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On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:39:39 -0700, The Ranger
> wrote: >On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:50:42 GMT, (Curly >Sue) wrote: >[snip] >> If he does move on it will be because that's what >> we do on rfc: chase new people away. > >Sometimes... Sometimes not. We're on that road in this case. >If he stays, so what. I don't need a lesson in Italian language. I >don't care if a recipe is authentic Southern Italian, genuine >Sicilian, or orthodox Northern Italian. It doesn't offend me that a >noted chef isn't an Italian national. >You like minutia. You like being contrary. Neither of these bother >me (much), either. You like lowering this to an exchange of personal insults, but I'll pass up the opportunity. >Yell "fire" in a hall I'm in and I'll eventually take offense to >it. Continue yelling the same things, and I'll eventually lash out. >Learn to live with it how you will; I already have. > I am living with it how I will. Which means I will continue to point out significant inaccuracies when I see them. Luca did not come "storming in"; he posted a very nice introductory message in September and has been contributing quite peacefully since then. However, that is all forgotten because he had the nerve to disagree with Victor. Now Luca is going to be made into a monster ("xenophobe," "racist," "bigot," "caricature of Italian stereotypes") so that we can feel righteous when we pile on top of him until he stops breathing. Welcome to RFC, Luca! With all of the best and worst of human nature in one newsgroup. Only the strong survive ;> Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:51:47 GMT, (Curly
Sue) wrote: > On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:39:39 -0700, The Ranger > wrote: > >On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:50:42 GMT, (Curly Sue) wrote: > > [snip] > > > If he does move on it will be because that's what > > > we do on rfc: chase new people away. > > > > >Sometimes... Sometimes not. > > > We're on that road in this case. So what? There are more posters to take his place every day, usually with better manners when expressing themselves. > > If he stays, so what. I don't need a lesson in Italian language. I > > don't care if a recipe is authentic Southern Italian, genuine > > Sicilian, or orthodox Northern Italian. It doesn't offend me that a > > noted chef isn't an Italian national. > > > > You like minutia. You like being contrary. Neither of these bother > > me (much), either. > > > You like lowering this to an exchange of personal insults, but I'll > pass up the opportunity. Uh-huh. Right. Get over yourself already. You ain't all you claim, Miss Arc. Turn your own sword into a plow if you like... > > Yell "fire" in a hall I'm in and I'll eventually take offense to > > it. Continue yelling the same things, and I'll eventually lash out. > > > > Learn to live with it how you will; I already have. > > > I am living with it how I will. Which means I will continue > to point out significant inaccuracies when I see them. Only when it suits you and your over-simplified moralistic veneer. > Luca did not come "storming in"; he posted a > very nice introductory message in September > and has been contributing quite peacefully > since then. However, that is all forgotten > because he had the nerve to disagree with > Victor. There are all manners in which to voice a dissenting opinion. The moment someone labels something as specific, then you will have multiple people point out that it's not. That's the nature of ANY 'group, whether on Usenet or in Real Life(r). And just because Luca's been posting since September doesn't give him any more seniority or credibility than you, who has been posting many years longer. Especially if he wants to attack someone with a bigoted tone. > Now Luca is going to be made into a monster > ("xenophobe," "racist," "bigot," "caricature of > Italian stereotypes") His follow-ups were pretty helpful in establishing that tone... > so that we can feel righteous As many are so fond of pointing out when that pronoun is used, "Speak only for yourself and don't automatically include anyone else." You don't have that authority. > when we pile on top of him until he stops breathing. > > Welcome to RFC, Luca! [..] Only the strong survive ;> It's moot if he stops breathing. The Ranger |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:08:43 -0700, The Ranger
> wrote: >On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:51:47 GMT, (Curly >Sue) wrote: >> On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:39:39 -0700, The Ranger > wrote: >> >On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:50:42 GMT, (Curly Sue) wrote: >> > [snip] >> > > If he does move on it will be because that's what >> > > we do on rfc: chase new people away. >> > > >> >Sometimes... Sometimes not. >> > >> We're on that road in this case. > >So what? There are more posters to take his place every day, >usually with better manners when expressing themselves. > >> > If he stays, so what. I don't need a lesson in Italian language. I >> > don't care if a recipe is authentic Southern Italian, genuine >> > Sicilian, or orthodox Northern Italian. It doesn't offend me that a >> > noted chef isn't an Italian national. >> > >> > You like minutia. You like being contrary. Neither of these bother >> > me (much), either. >> > >> You like lowering this to an exchange of personal insults, but I'll >> pass up the opportunity. > >Uh-huh. Right. Get over yourself already. You ain't all you claim, >Miss Arc. Turn your own sword into a plow if you like... Those are pretty pathetic insults. >> > Yell "fire" in a hall I'm in and I'll eventually take offense to >> > it. Continue yelling the same things, and I'll eventually lash out. >> > >> > Learn to live with it how you will; I already have. >> > >> I am living with it how I will. Which means I will continue >> to point out significant inaccuracies when I see them. > >Only when it suits you and your over-simplified moralistic veneer. Of course I will post only when it suits me. >> Luca did not come "storming in"; he posted a >> very nice introductory message in September >> and has been contributing quite peacefully >> since then. However, that is all forgotten >> because he had the nerve to disagree with >> Victor. > >There are all manners in which to voice a dissenting opinion. The >moment someone labels something as specific, then you will have >multiple people point out that it's not. That's the nature of ANY >'group, whether on Usenet or in Real Life(r). And just because >Luca's been posting since September doesn't give him any more >seniority or credibility than you, who has been posting many years >longer. Especially if he wants to attack someone with a bigoted >tone. Seniority? What kind of BS is that? >> Now Luca is going to be made into a monster >> ("xenophobe," "racist," "bigot," "caricature of >> Italian stereotypes") > >His follow-ups were pretty helpful in establishing that tone... So "senior posters" get a pass on bigoted tones and name-calling? >> so that we can feel righteous > >As many are so fond of pointing out when that pronoun is used, >"Speak only for yourself and don't automatically include anyone >else." You don't have that authority. I have the authority to say whatever I want, as do you. Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:20:19 GMT, (Curly
Sue) wrote: > On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:08:43 -0700, The Ranger > wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:51:47 GMT, (Curly Sue) wrote: > > > On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:39:39 -0700, The Ranger > wrote: > > > > On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:50:42 GMT, (Curly Sue) wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > If he does move on it will be because that's what > > > > > we do on rfc: chase new people away. > > > > > > > > >Sometimes... Sometimes not. > > > > > > > We're on that road in this case. > > > > > So what? There are more posters to take his place > > every day, usually with better manners when > > expressing themselves. > > > > > > If he stays, so what. I don't need a lesson in Italian > > > > language. I don't care if a recipe is authentic Southern > > > > Italian, genuine Sicilian, or orthodox Northern Italian. > > > > It doesn't offend me that a noted chef isn't an Italian > > > > national. > > > > > > > > You like minutia. You like being contrary. Neither of > > > > these bother me (much), either. > > > > > > > You like lowering this to an exchange of personal insults, > > > but I'll pass up the opportunity. > > > > > Uh-huh. Right. Get over yourself already. You ain't all > > you claim, Miss Arc. Turn your own sword into a plow if > > you like... > > > Those are pretty pathetic insults. That's because you aren't worth very much effort. > > > > Yell "fire" in a hall I'm in and I'll eventually take offense > > > > to it. Continue yelling the same things, and I'll eventually > > > > lash out. > > > > > > > > Learn to live with it how you will; I already have. > > > > > > > I am living with it how I will. Which means I will continue > > > to point out significant inaccuracies when I see them. > > > > > Only when it suits you and your over-simplified moralistic > > veneer. > > > Of course I will post only when it suits me. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. > > > Luca did not come "storming in"; he posted a > > > very nice introductory message in September > > > and has been contributing quite peacefully > > > since then. However, that is all forgotten > > > because he had the nerve to disagree with > > > Victor. > > > > > There are all manners in which to voice a dissenting > > opinion. The moment someone labels something as > > specific, then you will have multiple people point out > > that it's not. That's the nature of ANY 'group, whether > > on Usenet or in Real Life(r). And just because Luca's > > been posting since September doesn't give him any > > more seniority or credibility than you, who has been > > posting many years longer. Especially if he wants to > > attack someone with a bigoted tone. > > > Seniority? What kind of BS is that? You stated the time that he'd been posting as if that gave him license to attack. I pointed out that it didn't. Length of time participating in a 'group does not give anyone a free pass. > > > Now Luca is going to be made into a monster > > > ("xenophobe," "racist," "bigot," "caricature of > > > Italian stereotypes") > > > > > His follow-ups were pretty helpful in establishing that tone... > > > So "senior posters" get a pass on bigoted tones and > name-calling? Did you really mean to ask that question? You're a smart girl, I'm sure you can come to the correct conclusion. > > > so that we can feel righteous > > > > > As many are so fond of pointing out when that pronoun > > is used, "Speak only for yourself and don't automatically > > include anyone else." You don't have that authority. > > > I have the authority to say whatever I want, as do you. You don't have that authority to do so with my name attached, thank you. I am perfectly capable of expressing my own opinion, often without help. I will not express an opinion which includes you. The Ranger |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:15:23 -0700, The Ranger
> wrote: >On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:20:19 GMT, (Curly >Sue) wrote: >> > > Luca did not come "storming in"; he posted a >> > > very nice introductory message in September >> > > and has been contributing quite peacefully >> > > since then. However, that is all forgotten >> > > because he had the nerve to disagree with >> > > Victor. >> > There are all manners in which to voice a dissenting >> > opinion. The moment someone labels something as >> > specific, then you will have multiple people point out >> > that it's not. That's the nature of ANY 'group, whether >> > on Usenet or in Real Life(r). And just because Luca's >> > been posting since September doesn't give him any >> > more seniority or credibility than you, who has been >> > posting many years longer. Especially if he wants to >> > attack someone with a bigoted tone. >> > >> Seniority? What kind of BS is that? > >You stated the time that he'd been posting as if that gave him >license to attack. I pointed out that it didn't. Length of time >participating in a 'group does not give anyone a free pass. What I wrote was: "Luca did not come "storming in"; he posted a very nice introductory message in September and has been contributing quite peacefully since then. " This was in response to your assertation that he came "storming in." It had nothing to do with giving him a license to attack. It was to correct your... inaccuracy. You forget, this is all archived. People can look it up. Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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Curly Sue wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:26:14 -0400, Nancy Young > > wrote: > > >>Curly Sue wrote: >> >> >>>If he does move on it will be because that's what we do on rfc: chase >>>new people away. >> >>I guess I completely missed the action, one day everything was fine, >>the next there was some issue with Luca. Like ... huh? >> >>nancy > > > Exactly! > > Sue(tm) > Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! I always assumed Luca Pinotti was Victor Sack's secondary nom du Usenet. Authoritarian, cocksure, persistent... Not that it makes him a bad guy! -- Dave S Posting with freaking TBird, If they keep trying, so will I ;-) |
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Victor Sack wrote: > Curly Sue > wrote: > > Considering that my name is mentioned in vain... Heh! > > > Luca did not come > > "storming in"; he posted a very nice introductory message in September > > Yes, that was very nice and I had great hopes of him becoming the > Italian counterpart to Monika Adamczyk or Elisabeth Bouynot, posting > good, authentic info and recipes and being pleasant all around. > > BTW, I post my opinions of Polish and French food all the time, yet I've > never noticed Monika or Elisabeth taking much offense. > > > and has been contributing quite peacefully since then. > > You didn't notice the olive oil thread? Some people (not me) were > calling *him* an idiot because of his peaceful posts. > > > However, that > > is all forgotten because he had the nerve to disagree with Victor. > > Eh? Which disagreement would that be? He 'corrected' me in the brasato > thread by posting an arbitrary definition of brasato. I didn't see his > 'correction' as convincing and posted some links to Italian brasato > recipes published by Italians (born, bred and residing in Italy) for > Italians (ditto) in Italian. I also asked him some pertinent questions, > for God's sake. He promptly reversed himself, yet accused me of 'not > understanding', not specifying what it was but mentioning 'flexibility' > of Italian cooking, thus completing his reversal. He ignored the actual > content of my post and my questions entirely. I reposted that content > and the questions and he started calling me names. He didn't express > any kind of disagreement otherwise, but indirectly agreed with me in > other posts of his by saying the same things I said or implied. It is > his uncalled-for name-calling that some people are objecting to, > particularly some of that name-calling. > > Do you really see no difference between 'disagreement' and 'insult'? > BTW, he 'disagreed with' (*your* definition) Nathalie, too. > > Why do I even bother? As you say, people can look it up. > > > Now Luca is going to be made into a monster ("xenophobe," "racist," > > "bigot," "caricature of Italian stereotypes") > > You don't think he brought it upon himself, being his own worst enemy? > Did you even read his posts? > > > so that we can feel > > righteous when we pile on top of him until he stops breathing. > > Who are 'we'? Sheesh, what a pompous ass. -- Best Greg |
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"Curly Sue" > wrote in message ... > > Let's be fair. Luca was on the receiving end of name-calling since > the day he arrived here. It didn't bother anyone. Why should he > think that rfc doesn't like name-calling? > I agree, and furthermore, I think with a little time, Luca will do just fine here. If not, we all have filters. Jack Quibble |
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Gal Called J.J. wrote:
> One time on Usenet, (Curly Sue) said: > > <snip> > >> I am living with it how I will. Which means I will continue to point >> out significant inaccuracies when I see them. Luca did not come >> "storming in"; he posted a very nice introductory message in >> September and has been contributing quite peacefully since then. >> However, that is all forgotten > > No argument there. > >> because he had the nerve to disagree with Victor. >> Now Luca is going to be made into a monster ("xenophobe," "racist," >> "bigot," "caricature of Italian stereotypes") so that we can feel >> righteous when we pile on top of him until he stops breathing. > > I can't agree, Sue; it wasn't that Luca "had the nerve to disagree > with Victor", but that he became so very defensive and rude when > Victor questioned him about his statement that "Brasato comes from > "brace" (ember) and is made with meat". (See the "Ping: Luca" thread). > Granted, I believe a case could be made for Luca's not having English > as his first lanquage and I doubt I would have taken his comment as > literally as Victor did. But *Luca* fired the opening salvo of name > calling with this: > > > > > "No, I think you are an idiot. > A person so narrow minded that has the head jut to keep the ears > apart. You can go on eating your damn recipes, thinking that > spaghetti with meatballs are italian and that pasta is called > macaroni. > You are in my BS list." > > Up until then, Victor was firm in his debate, but still generally > polite, and in my mind, he didn't deserve the above diatribe. After > that, the discussion could go nowhere but downhill... Well... you are right... I have to excuse me for this loss o temper. But I see as an offensive racism the behaviour of someone not italian that claim to be more informed than an italian or what is and what is not "common" in Italy. It sound to me like "you are a tupid ******* italian. I know Italy because I've read a book and because I have all these links about your Country". It's quite offensive. The tihng that shocked me the most and diaspponted me is that I 've just back from my fifth trip in US where I've found lively, kind, gentle people. I DO NOT understand how an american can be so arrogant. I'm cared, because NOW I can understand why Bin Laden has so many followers and allieds... If this is the face you (someone) shows to the world... This scares me a lot. I'm not teching anything to anyone. I'm just taking my experience into this NG. You don't like me? Do you prefer Progesso Canned Ravioli? Help yourself.... That's it. I'm calling me out from this thead. Luca -- Nolite proicere margaritas ad porcos |
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Dave S wrote:
> Curly Sue wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:26:14 -0400, Nancy Young > >> wrote: >> >> >>> Curly Sue wrote: >>> >>> >>>> If he does move on it will be because that's what we do on rfc: chase >>>> new people away. >>> >>> I guess I completely missed the action, one day everything was fine, >>> the next there was some issue with Luca. Like ... huh? >>> >>> nancy >> >> >> Exactly! >> >> Sue(tm) >> Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! > > I always assumed Luca Pinotti was Victor Sack's > secondary nom du Usenet. > Authoritarian, cocksure, persistent... > > Not that it makes him a bad guy! Ha ha ha .. That's really nice. You are right. Unfortunately (for ... me) we acted the same bad yay. Luca -- Nolite proicere margaritas ad porcos |
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Curly Sue > wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:52:23 +0200, (Victor Sack) > wrote: > > >Curly Sue > wrote: > > > >You didn't notice the olive oil thread? Some people (not me) were > >calling *him* an idiot because of his peaceful posts. > Yes, wasn't that interesting? He posts messages that they disagree > with so they call him an "idiot" and "stupid" with pride, yet he's > the one who gets blasted now for name-calling. > >> However, that > >> is all forgotten because he had the nerve to disagree with Victor. So, he was 'blasted' before, too, yet you saw it fit to mix me in as a kind of originator. Was that meant to be a compliment? > Very nicely, at any rate. Let's just dispel any notion that he came > out swinging. Eh? You are arguing with someone else, apparently. I have no wish to speak for anyone but myself. > I don't see it like that at all Let's say you were discussing > "pesto." (Please forgive my using your names; I am not trying to put > words in your mouth, only to restate the disagreement with an item > that I can relate to) You would have done better by quoting faithfully and just using pesto, etc. where needed. > Q- What is pesto? > Luca: Pesto is a condiment made of basil, pine nuts, cheese, garlic, > and olive oil. > Victor: Does it *always* have to have basil? I've seen many recipes > of pesto without basil, with arugula, sundried tomatoes, peanuts, etc. > Here are some links in Italian. Not that it matters now, but I also "wrote", to use your context, the following: "I've encountered enough versions of pesto without basil to suspect it has long acquired a rather more generic meaning than a typical pesto alla genovese would suggest." Doesn't that make Luca's reply rather superfluous, to say the least? > Luca: You don't understand. Pesto refers to "paste" and is a general > item. You can make a paste out of anything and call it "pesto." > However, words do have meaning in Italian and pesto is generally made > with basil. > <all hell breaks loose> No. The only thing that 'broke loose' at that point was my perfectly civil reply, which mostly repeated my previous one. It was the only followup to that post of his. Everything that followed resulted exclusively from his name-calling, not from any kind of 'disagreement'. BTW, I rather suspect that there was and still is no disagreement on his part at all. What he objects to, is a non-Italian making pronouncements on Italian food (and presumably on Italian *anything*). This is so extremely stupid and close-minded that it, by itself, already borders on xenophobia. It apparently doesn't occur to him that many thousands, if not millions of 'foreigners' have been living and travelling throughout Italy for millenia and that this is still the case and is more true than ever. Some of them, who were interested in food, got to know Italian regional cuisine(s) rather better than the average Italian. It apparently never occurred to him that I, too, could have been among those multitudes. But then, of course, he is also convinced that I'm an (ugly and ignorant) American who probably has never travelled outside his country at all. How useful it is to make assumptions about persons instead of just dealing with the facts in hand! > That's what happens on rfc; name-calling. And you gave as good as he > did although, yes, smoother. You really don't see any difference otherwise? > >BTW, he 'disagreed with' (*your* definition) Nathalie, too. > Please, don't tell me about Nathalie. I was appalled at her > invocation of Fascism, racism, and the Ku Klux Klan-equivalent just > because Luca called you some names. Either we're better than > name-calling, or we're not. You didn't notice the mention of 'Terrone', which makes her reaction perfectly understandable if not quite acceptable? The word is very often used in an extremely offensive way by the likes of Umberto Bossi, whose party, though not to be compared to the Ku Klux Klan, is still less than savoury. The word has by now become very closely associated with that sort of things. > Here is what Luca learned in his brief time on rfc: [snip] Didn't you learn all that in your long time on rfc, too? Do you call people names, too? > 3. If someone asks you a question about Italian food, you can answer > unless someone else says they know more. So know your place or you > will be insulted on items ranging from your newsreader to your command > of the English language. Someone insulted him on his command of the English language just because he answered a question about Italian food? Really? You are either misremembering or distorting the facts, methinks. Victor |
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:58:20 +0200, (Victor Sack)
wrote: >Curly Sue > wrote: > >> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:52:23 +0200, (Victor Sack) >> wrote: >> >> >Curly Sue > wrote: >> > >> >You didn't notice the olive oil thread? Some people (not me) were >> >calling *him* an idiot because of his peaceful posts. > >> Yes, wasn't that interesting? He posts messages that they disagree >> with so they call him an "idiot" and "stupid" with pride, yet he's >> the one who gets blasted now for name-calling. > >> >> However, that >> >> is all forgotten because he had the nerve to disagree with Victor. > >So, he was 'blasted' before, too, yet you saw it fit to mix me in as a >kind of originator. Was that meant to be a compliment? Well, I believe that you're mixing this up yourself, but I'm too tired to double-check. So in case I expressed myself unclearly : a) in my opinion you were the "originator" of the ill-will in this thread, not the blasting, and b) others blasted him for calling you names. >> Very nicely, at any rate. Let's just dispel any notion that he came >> out swinging. > >Eh? You are arguing with someone else, apparently. I have no wish to >speak for anyone but myself. > >> I don't see it like that at all Let's say you were discussing >> "pesto." (Please forgive my using your names; I am not trying to put >> words in your mouth, only to restate the disagreement with an item >> that I can relate to) > >You would have done better by quoting faithfully and just using pesto, >etc. where needed. I got my point across just fine, but thanks for the critique. <snip> >> <all hell breaks loose> > >No. The only thing that 'broke loose' at that point was my perfectly >civil reply, You're being disingenuous. Your reply was infused with sarcasm, and he reacted to it. > which mostly repeated my previous one. It was the only >followup to that post of his. Everything that followed resulted >exclusively from his name-calling, not from any kind of 'disagreement'. In summary: He called you names. He started it. As been said so many times before, probably in many languages: It doesn't matter who started it. Both of you go stand in a corner! :> Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:58:20 +0200, (Victor Sack)
wrote: >Curly Sue > wrote: > >> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:52:23 +0200, (Victor Sack) >> wrote: >> >> >Curly Sue > wrote: >> > >> >You didn't notice the olive oil thread? Some people (not me) were >> >calling *him* an idiot because of his peaceful posts. > >> Yes, wasn't that interesting? He posts messages that they disagree >> with so they call him an "idiot" and "stupid" with pride, yet he's >> the one who gets blasted now for name-calling. > >> >> However, that >> >> is all forgotten because he had the nerve to disagree with Victor. > >So, he was 'blasted' before, too, yet you saw it fit to mix me in as a >kind of originator. Was that meant to be a compliment? Well, I believe that you're mixing this up yourself, but I'm too tired to double-check. So in case I expressed myself unclearly : a) in my opinion you were the "originator" of the ill-will in this thread, not the blasting, and b) others blasted him for calling you names. >> Very nicely, at any rate. Let's just dispel any notion that he came >> out swinging. > >Eh? You are arguing with someone else, apparently. I have no wish to >speak for anyone but myself. > >> I don't see it like that at all Let's say you were discussing >> "pesto." (Please forgive my using your names; I am not trying to put >> words in your mouth, only to restate the disagreement with an item >> that I can relate to) > >You would have done better by quoting faithfully and just using pesto, >etc. where needed. I got my point across just fine, but thanks for the critique. <snip> >> <all hell breaks loose> > >No. The only thing that 'broke loose' at that point was my perfectly >civil reply, You're being disingenuous. Your reply was infused with sarcasm, and he reacted to it. > which mostly repeated my previous one. It was the only >followup to that post of his. Everything that followed resulted >exclusively from his name-calling, not from any kind of 'disagreement'. In summary: He called you names. He started it. As been said so many times before, probably in many languages: It doesn't matter who started it. Both of you go stand in a corner! :> Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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Curly Sue > wrote:
> (Victor Sack) wrote: > > So in case I expressed myself unclearly : a) in my > opinion you were the "originator" of the ill-will in this thread, not > the blasting, and b) others blasted him for calling you names. Whose ill-will? The one's who said "*you do not understand*" without even bothering to read the post or knowing anything about the person in question? > >No. The only thing that 'broke loose' at that point was my perfectly > >civil reply, > > You're being disingenuous. Your reply was infused with sarcasm, and > he reacted to it. If you are implying my reply wasn't civil, you are the one being disingenuous. civil (vs. uncivil), polite -- (not rude; marked by satisfactory (or especially minimal) adherence to social usages and sufficient but not noteworthy consideration for others; "even if he didn't like them he should have been civil"- W.S. Maugham) WordNet Dictionary <http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn2.0?stage=1&word=civil> > As been said so many times before, probably in many languages: It > doesn't matter who started it. Both of you go stand in a corner! :> You really don't see any difference? Amazing. ObFood: The mussel season is upon us at last! Here is a mussel soup recipe I like very much. In keeping with the thread, it is, of course, Italian. It is from _Recipes: The Cooking of Italy_ by Waverley Root, et.al., eds., Foods of the World, Time-Life Books. I think I remember posting it a few years ago. Victor Zuppa di Cozze Mussel Soup To serve 4 4 dozen mussels, in their shells 1/4 cup coarsely chopped onions 1/4 cup coarsely chopped celery 1 teaspoon coarsely chopped garlic 1/2 cup olive oil 1 tablespoon finely chopped fresh basil or 1 teaspoon dried basil Freshly ground black pepper 1/2 cup dry white wine 2 cups canned Italian plum tomatoes, chopped but not drained 2 teaspoons grated lemon peel Scrub the mussels with a stiff brush soapless steel-mesh scouring pad under cold running water. With a small, sharp knife cut off heir "beards" - the very strong, black, ropelike tufts on their shells, with which they attach themselves to the their anchorages in the sea. Combine the onions, celery and garlic on a cutting board and chop them into very small pieces. (This mixture is called a _battuto_; when cooked, it is called a _soffritto_.) Heat the 1/2 cup of olive oil in an enameled or stainless-steel 3- to 4-quart saucepan. Over moderate heat, cook the chopped vegetables in the oil with the basil and a few grindings of pepper. Stirring frequently, cook the _soffritto_ for 8 - 10 minutes, or until it is lightly colored. Pour in the wine and boil it briskly to reduce it to about 1/4 cup. Then add the chopped tomatoes and their liquid and simmer uncovered over low heat, stirring frequently, for about 20 minutes. Drop in the mussels, cover the pan, and cook over high heat, shaking the pan from time to time so that the mussels cook through evenly. At the end of 10 minutes, the mussels should all be open; if not, cook for a few minutes longer. To serve, ladle the mussels, shells and all, into individual soup bowls and spoon the soup over them. (You might find that an extra dish or bowl on the table will be useful for the shells of the mussels.) Sprinkle each serving with grated lemon peel and accompany with hot, crusty Italian bread, which you can dip into any remaining seasoned broth. |
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Curly Sue > wrote:
> (Victor Sack) wrote: > > So in case I expressed myself unclearly : a) in my > opinion you were the "originator" of the ill-will in this thread, not > the blasting, and b) others blasted him for calling you names. Whose ill-will? The one's who said "*you do not understand*" without even bothering to read the post or knowing anything about the person in question? > >No. The only thing that 'broke loose' at that point was my perfectly > >civil reply, > > You're being disingenuous. Your reply was infused with sarcasm, and > he reacted to it. If you are implying my reply wasn't civil, you are the one being disingenuous. civil (vs. uncivil), polite -- (not rude; marked by satisfactory (or especially minimal) adherence to social usages and sufficient but not noteworthy consideration for others; "even if he didn't like them he should have been civil"- W.S. Maugham) WordNet Dictionary <http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn2.0?stage=1&word=civil> > As been said so many times before, probably in many languages: It > doesn't matter who started it. Both of you go stand in a corner! :> You really don't see any difference? Amazing. ObFood: The mussel season is upon us at last! Here is a mussel soup recipe I like very much. In keeping with the thread, it is, of course, Italian. It is from _Recipes: The Cooking of Italy_ by Waverley Root, et.al., eds., Foods of the World, Time-Life Books. I think I remember posting it a few years ago. Victor Zuppa di Cozze Mussel Soup To serve 4 4 dozen mussels, in their shells 1/4 cup coarsely chopped onions 1/4 cup coarsely chopped celery 1 teaspoon coarsely chopped garlic 1/2 cup olive oil 1 tablespoon finely chopped fresh basil or 1 teaspoon dried basil Freshly ground black pepper 1/2 cup dry white wine 2 cups canned Italian plum tomatoes, chopped but not drained 2 teaspoons grated lemon peel Scrub the mussels with a stiff brush soapless steel-mesh scouring pad under cold running water. With a small, sharp knife cut off heir "beards" - the very strong, black, ropelike tufts on their shells, with which they attach themselves to the their anchorages in the sea. Combine the onions, celery and garlic on a cutting board and chop them into very small pieces. (This mixture is called a _battuto_; when cooked, it is called a _soffritto_.) Heat the 1/2 cup of olive oil in an enameled or stainless-steel 3- to 4-quart saucepan. Over moderate heat, cook the chopped vegetables in the oil with the basil and a few grindings of pepper. Stirring frequently, cook the _soffritto_ for 8 - 10 minutes, or until it is lightly colored. Pour in the wine and boil it briskly to reduce it to about 1/4 cup. Then add the chopped tomatoes and their liquid and simmer uncovered over low heat, stirring frequently, for about 20 minutes. Drop in the mussels, cover the pan, and cook over high heat, shaking the pan from time to time so that the mussels cook through evenly. At the end of 10 minutes, the mussels should all be open; if not, cook for a few minutes longer. To serve, ladle the mussels, shells and all, into individual soup bowls and spoon the soup over them. (You might find that an extra dish or bowl on the table will be useful for the shells of the mussels.) Sprinkle each serving with grated lemon peel and accompany with hot, crusty Italian bread, which you can dip into any remaining seasoned broth. |
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