"dkra" > wrote in message

> Actually, there was an American cookbook of that name published a few
years ago.

(snip)
Thanks for an excellent description.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:23:30 +1100, "lea b" >
wrote:

>Frogleg wrote:
>>
>> the "undeserving poor"?
>
>?? - um, 'poor people' ?

It's from 'My Fair Lady.' Liza Dolittle's father complains that while
help is available for "the deserving poor," the undeserving have needs
and wants, too. I believe it's in the lead-up to 'With a Little Bit of
Luck.'

"orion" > wrote in message
news:6oFQb.18912$A74.14489@fed1read02...
> the 'mock apple pie'
>
> Makes 1 - 9 inch pie
>
> " Love apple pie, but hate apples? Your prayers have been answered! "


Actually, this isn't really "white trash cooking"; it is derived from
frugal-type recipes created during WWII when there was a shortage of many
products. If memory serves me correctly, I believe that this was first
posted by the Ritz folks on the back of the cracker box circa 1945 or so.

~Eri

"eriana" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "orion" > wrote in message
> news:6oFQb.18912$A74.14489@fed1read02...
> > the 'mock apple pie'
> >
> > Makes 1 - 9 inch pie
> >
> > " Love apple pie, but hate apples? Your prayers have been answered! "
>
>
> Actually, this isn't really "white trash cooking"; it is derived from
> frugal-type recipes created during WWII when there was a shortage of many
> products. If memory serves me correctly, I believe that this was first
> posted by the Ritz folks on the back of the cracker box circa 1945 or so.
>
> ~Eri

Sounds right to me. I met the Ritz version in Virginia in the mid-40's. All
I remember is that, not surprisingly, it tasted just like cream of tartar.

Felice
Felice

"> > > the 'mock apple pie'
> > >
> > > Makes 1 - 9 inch pie
> > >
> > > " Love apple pie, but hate apples? Your prayers have been answered! "
> >
> >
> > Actually, this isn't really "white trash cooking"; it is derived from
> > frugal-type recipes created during WWII when there was a shortage of
many
> > products. If memory serves me correctly, I believe that this was first
> > posted by the Ritz folks on the back of the cracker box circa 1945 or
so.
> >
> > ~Eri
>
> Sounds right to me. I met the Ritz version in Virginia in the mid-40's.
All
> I remember is that, not surprisingly, it tasted just like cream of tartar.
>
> Felice
> Felice
>
My mother used to make this. It didn't taste like apple pie, no matter how
much she told me it did. :-)
Suzan

>
>To me white trash is a horrible horrible phrase. And not from a race point
>of view - couldn't give a hoot about that - but from a "class" point of
>view. In Australia we call poor people "battlers", and we try and help them.
>Even the phrase "White trash" to me, says a lot about America. What do
>Americans think about it?


As an American, I will say That "White Trash" is a term I have never , or would
never use.
Rosie

"jmcquown" > wrote in message >. ..
> david wrote:
> > To me white trash is a horrible horrible phrase. And not from a race
> > point of view - couldn't give a hoot about that - but from a "class"
> > point of view. In Australia we call poor people "battlers", and we
> > try and help them. Even the phrase "White trash" to me, says a lot
> > about America. What do Americans think about it?
>
> THIS American thinks of it as derogatory, exactly as ****** is derogatory.
>
> Jill

Why does *anyone* give a hoot about what someone else calls them,
thinks of them, says about them...etc. I really don't get it and I
must be one of the few who doesn't and doesn't care. I am secure
enough with who and what I am that whatever *you* have to say about me
(classwise, racewise, sexwise,...)makes no difference at all. I know
there are so many who do care but I cannot understand why. I love Dr.
Phil because he is one of those people that just doesn't care what you
think of him. His response to people who say they are going to stop
watching him is "use your remote control or off button".
And, I also don't understand why it is okay for a black person to
refer to another black person as a "nig*er" but don't let a white
person say it. The women on The View call each other "bitches" all the
time but I'll bet they would be offended if a strange man on the
street called them one. Dolly Parton is so secure with herself that
she calls herself "white trash" and says that there is no mistaking
that that is what she is.
I also don't understand all of the whiners on the "talk show
circuit"....I will come unglued if I hear another fat person cry about
how people in the grocery store scrutinize what is in her basket and
out of the blue make comments to her about being fat. I am 51 years
old and I am fat. I have never in my life been approached by a
stranger and given unsolicited advise about my weight. If that did
happen to me I would say something completely inappropriate and laugh.
Then I would say something like "who are you? you must be famous and I
just don't recognize you" then laugh some more. If anyone has
scrutinized the contents of my basket I have never noticed it.
End of rant...thank you.

The Heap

"The Heap" > wrote in message
om...
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>. ..
> > david wrote:
> > > To me white trash is a horrible horrible phrase. And not from a race
> > > point of view - couldn't give a hoot about that - but from a "class"
> > > point of view. In Australia we call poor people "battlers", and we
> > > try and help them. Even the phrase "White trash" to me, says a lot
> > > about America. What do Americans think about it?
> >
> > THIS American thinks of it as derogatory, exactly as ****** is
derogatory.
> >
> > Jill
>
> Why does *anyone* give a hoot about what someone else calls them,
> thinks of them, says about them...etc. I really don't get it and I
> must be one of the few who doesn't and doesn't care. I am secure
> enough with who and what I am that whatever *you* have to say about me
> (classwise, racewise, sexwise,...)makes no difference at all.

Honestly, I imagine that people who are racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.,
are the least likely to care what people think about them -- not that I am
saying you are any of these things. By the way, you might enjoy this site:
http://www.rubylot18.homestead.com/

"Vox Humana" > wrote in
:

> http://www.rubylot18.homestead.com/

Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American
public. (H.L. Mencken)

Truer words were never spoken/written...

--

"I'm the master of low expectations."

GWB, aboard Air Force One, 04Jun2003

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> "Vox Humana" > wrote in
> :
>
> > http://www.rubylot18.homestead.com/
>
> Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American
> public. (H.L. Mencken)
>
> Truer words were never spoken/written...

I heard a lengthy interview with Ruby Ann Boxcar today and it made me think
of her site. She has a couple of cookbooks, so it is on-topic.

"Felice Friese" > wrote in message news:<traRb.152041$I06.1535883@attbi_s01>...
> "eriana" > wrote in message
> link.net...
> >
> > "orion" > wrote in message
> > news:6oFQb.18912$A74.14489@fed1read02...
> > > the 'mock apple pie'
> > >
> > > Makes 1 - 9 inch pie
> > >
> > > " Love apple pie, but hate apples? Your prayers have been answered! "
> >
> >
> > Actually, this isn't really "white trash cooking"; it is derived from
> > frugal-type recipes created during WWII when there was a shortage of many
> > products. If memory serves me correctly, I believe that this was first
> > posted by the Ritz folks on the back of the cracker box circa 1945 or so.
> >
> > ~Eri
>
> Sounds right to me. I met the Ritz version in Virginia in the mid-40's. All
> I remember is that, not surprisingly, it tasted just like cream of tartar.
>
> Felice
> Felice

I think actually its origins might be even older--from pioneer women
trying to construct something edible from dwindling supplies. My
mother was doing some research on pioneer cooking for a cookbook she
wrote about fifteen years ago, and came upon a similar recipe. (Not
that they had ritz crackers in covered wagons, but pioneer women had
to get inventive to keep everyone on their feet and moving west.) If I
were sitting by a campfire in the middle of the cold wilderness, and
there was nothing else to eat, this pie might taste pretty good. The
catch is, I'd have to BE out in the middle of nowhere with few edible
alternatives before it did.

Melissa

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:42:26 -0800, "orion"
> wrote:

> >
> My mother used to make this. It didn't taste like apple pie, no matter how
> much she told me it did. :-)
> Suzan
>
I've read that before... fortunately, I have never tasted
it.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On 27 Jan 2004 00:49:23 GMT, Michel Boucher >
wrote:

>"Vox Humana" > wrote in
:
>
>> http://www.rubylot18.homestead.com/
>
>Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American
>public. (H.L. Mencken)
>
>Truer words were never spoken/written...

i always thought it was 'the intelligence of.' a cursory google
search returned mixed results.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:42:26 -0800, "orion" >
wrote:
>> > Actually, this isn't really "white trash cooking"; it is derived from
>> > frugal-type recipes created during WWII when there was a shortage of
>many
>> > products. If memory serves me correctly, I believe that this was first
>> > posted by the Ritz folks on the back of the cracker box circa 1945 or
>so.
>> >
>> > ~Eri
>>

well, dammit, there was a war on!

your pal,
eleanor

>> Sounds right to me. I met the Ritz version in Virginia in the mid-40's.
>All
>> I remember is that, not surprisingly, it tasted just like cream of tartar.
>>
>> Felice
>> Felice
>>
>My mother used to make this. It didn't taste like apple pie, no matter how
>much she told me it did. :-)
>Suzan
>

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message

> Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American
> public. (H.L. Mencken)

I had thought that PT Barnum said that. I did a google search and it
attributes the saying (about evenly at a quick glance) to both of them.

My favourite Mencken quote is:
"Puritanism. The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."

Sometimes it's just fun to make fun of yourself....

www.trailertrashaerospace.com
>
>um, pan, that's what i'm saying. 'white trash' was well-known to
>everyone, but the media didn't feel comfortable with that. hence
>'trailer trash.'



Jim Rutkowski
Executive Chef - TrailerTrashAerospace
www.trailertrashaerospace.com

>>Why does *anyone* give a hoot about what >>someone else calls them,
thinks of them, >>says about them...etc. I really don't get it and >>I
must be one of the few who doesn't and >>doesn't care. I am secure
enough with who >>and what I am that whatever *you* have to >>say about
me (classwise, racewise, >>sexwise,...)makes no difference at all. I
..
..
My father raised us with the credo of " It is none of your business what
anyone else thinks of you. And mind your own goddamned business" (It is
a rather 20th century attitude, he born in 1911 and I in 1955. )
To piggyback on the supermarkett thing, I remember once when this
10-year old or so was astonished to see a white woman with a cane and
what were then some nasty scars from the attack on the Pentagon. I
pointed out to the mother what the scars and cane were all about. I
pointed out how rude her child was and the proper way to instill manners
in a child. The mother said the child had been poor all her life and I
had to understand that. Right, only people with money in the bank can
be civilized and know how to mind their won business. They were
24-karat gold losers.

~~~Gina~~~

"Gina *" > wrote in message
...
>
> >>Why does *anyone* give a hoot about what >>someone else calls them,
> thinks of them, >>says about them...etc. I really don't get it and >>I
> must be one of the few who doesn't and >>doesn't care. I am secure
> enough with who >>and what I am that whatever *you* have to >>say about
> me (classwise, racewise, >>sexwise,...)makes no difference at all. I
> .
> .
> My father raised us with the credo of " It is none of your business what
> anyone else thinks of you. And mind your own goddamned business" (It is
> a rather 20th century attitude, he born in 1911 and I in 1955. )
> To piggyback on the supermarkett thing, I remember once when this
> 10-year old or so was astonished to see a white woman with a cane and
> what were then some nasty scars from the attack on the Pentagon. I
> pointed out to the mother what the scars and cane were all about. I
> pointed out how rude her child was and the proper way to instill manners
> in a child. The mother said the child had been poor all her life and I
> had to understand that. Right, only people with money in the bank can
> be civilized and know how to mind their won business. They were
> 24-karat gold losers.

I guess she should have followed your father's credo and told you that she
doesn't give a flying fig what you think of her or her children! Surely
it's their right to be astonished? I've been astonished at the rude, pushy
behavior of some wealthy people who think the are better than other -- you
know, the people who want everything NOW and on their terms and at a
discount! Anyone in retail has experienced this.

I don't understand what the disfigured woman's race had to do with the
situation. How could you tell from looking at someone how they acquired
scars? Did you have some expectation that a 10 year old would know why the
woman was disfigured?

"david" > wrote in message >...
> To me white trash is a horrible horrible phrase. And not from a race point
> of view - couldn't give a hoot about that - but from a "class" point of
> view. In Australia we call poor people "battlers", and we try and help them.
> Even the phrase "White trash" to me, says a lot about America. What do
> Americans think about it?

Would you prefer honky trash or trailer trash?

-bwg

>Subject: White Trash Cooking
>From: "DRB"
>Date: 1/25/2004 6:05 PM Mountain Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"Fx199" > wrote in message
...
>> >Oh, those people... I'm from a pretty rural area, and most people either
>> >farm, hunt, fish, or all three...
>> >
>>
>> oh my god...those horrible, horrible people...<sob>
>
>And your point is?
>
>Mine was these people--farmers, hunters, recreational fishers, etc.-- *need*
>trucks to either haul farm-related things, their boats, or hunting gear. My
>dad is a dairy farmer, who hunts in his spare time. Owning anything but a
>pick-up would be pointless for him.
>
>"Those people" refers to the ones who live in urban areas, never haul
>anything, and never need it for recreation. The "my truck is a status
>symbol" people...
>
My neighbor drives a brand new pick-up. Once in a while she'll pick up
furniture or stuff in it. The electric window wasn't working on it and she
wanted me to drive her to the dealer late at night so it would be worked on the
next day, for her convenience. She has had many meals here but we have had
none at her house. She recently put in a new kitchen addition to the tune of
$50,000 and I was with her all the way - sort of felt like a pregnancy. I knew
I'd never get a meal cooked in that new kitchen. Before Thanksgiving, she came
in with a woman and her 4 kids to show them the instruments in our house and
said that they were cleaning her house and then going out shopping for food for
the Thanksgiving meal. This family was transplanted from the wilds of Ohio so
my neighbor had to be their mentor. We weren't upset to not get an invitation
to that meal. I sort of guess the Ohioan did all the work. The kitchen
addition is long over with now and there is still a huge dumpster in her yard.
She has worked with the phone company for years and fought to be able to wear
shorts at work through her union. I should have told her if she hadn't been so
fat she wouldn't have had that chafing and people wouldn't have had to see her
in shorts. I'm very bad, but this is white trash to me.


rharps.com

It's a branding of people as "trash" simply
because they're so poor they have to re-
sort to living in trailers (which are neces-
sarily rather cramped quarters), rather than
houses which they obviously can't afford...

On 02 Feb 2004 13:39:05 GMT, (BKaplan104) wrote:

>It's a branding of people as "trash" simply
>because they're so poor they have to re-
>sort to living in trailers (which are neces-
>sarily rather cramped quarters), rather than
>houses which they obviously can't afford...

Don't think so. "Trailer trash" is a similar phrase, and probably not
used by people who know of rather pricey communities of "modular
homes" that are run like condos with hefty initial investments and
maintenance fees for the golf courses and fitness center.

These 'trash' designations have more to do with snobbery (NOTan
American patent) and perceived low tastes. Cheese Whiz is low; brie is
high. Boxwood hedge is high; lawn flamingos are low. A rusted pickup
with a gun rack is low: a Land Rover with a gun rack is high. One can
be poor and cool, or wealthy and 'trash.'

'Redneck' has gained some marginal toleration because of comedian Jeff
Foxworthy satirizing notable features of 'low' life -- "you know
you're a redneck when..."

The terms *are* unkind, and I suppose the best counter-measure would
be to challange people using them to explain exactly what they meant.
Should provide an interesting conversation...

"BKaplan104" > wrote in message
...
> It's a branding of people as "trash" simply
> because they're so poor they have to re-
> sort to living in trailers (which are neces-
> sarily rather cramped quarters), rather than
> houses which they obviously can't afford...

You're way off... For most, it doesn't have to do with where you live or
what kind of food you can afford. It has to do with meeting several basic
social norms, such as removing the trash from your home--whatever type of
home that may be, using the toilet to go to the restroom--rather than the
corner of the bedroom, and bathing/brushing of teeth. Assuming one is
mentally sound, meeting those tasks aren't that hard.. I think I've just
described "basic hygiene", but you get the point...

I've only really met one family ever I would consider "white trash". They
didn't take their trash out--instead, let it pile up in one room of their
house. They didn't always use the toilet, but would sometimes go in the
corner of a room... They didn't take baths and didn't brush their
teeth--one bragged that it had been three years since they'd brushed their
teeth. Sadly, these people knew better and just didn't want to put forth
the effort... They were all mentally sound... they just didn't care.