That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
The tip cups are gone. It's about time.

Jessica

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:

>
>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>
Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
McDonald's?

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"Just what kind of jackassery do I have to put up with today?" Danae
in "Non Sequitur"

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

"Jessica V." > wrote in message
...
>
> That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was
shocked.
> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.


Sounds like somebody may have made a big issue over this.

"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
> arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>
>>
>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>
> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
> at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
> Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
> McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
> McDonald's?

They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
people there make about $7/hr.

Gabby

"Gabby" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>> arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>>
>>>
>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>
>> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
>> at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
>> Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
>> McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
>> McDonald's?
>
> They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
> people there make about $7/hr.
>
> Gabby
>

Wow, $7 an hour.

Jack Wage

"Jack Schidt®" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Gabby" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
> >> arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
> >>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
> >>>
> >> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
> >> at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
> >> Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
> >> McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
> >> McDonald's?
> >
> > They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
> > people there make about $7/hr.
> >
> > Gabby
> >
>
> Wow, $7 an hour.
>
> Jack Wage
>

Pitiful, yes, but it's still not the customer's job to supplement it. And I
bet McD's would have a tip jar if managment allowed it!


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Jack Schidt®" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Gabby" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
> >> arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
> >>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
> >>>
> >> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
> >> at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
> >> Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
> >> McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
> >> McDonald's?
> >
> > They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
> > people there make about $7/hr.
> >
> > Gabby
> >
>
> Wow, $7 an hour.
>
> Jack Wage
>

Pitiful, yes, but it's still not the customer's job to supplement it. And I
bet McD's would have a tip jar if managment allowed it!


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Jack Schidt®" > wrote in
m:

>
> "Gabby" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>>> arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was
>>>>shocked.
>>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>>
>>> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their
>>> job at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes
>>> Starbucks, Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar
>>> at, say, McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip
>>> jar at McDonald's?
>>
>> They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the
>> counter people there make about $7/hr.
>>
>> Gabby
>>
>
> Wow, $7 an hour.
>
> Jack Wage

They chose to work there. There are many clerking positions where
tipping is neither expected nor hoped for, and which pay no more than
that. Why should this be any different? I recently stopped for gas at
a station I'd never been to before. A tip jar was prominently
displayed. Even if I bought more than gas, I would dispense my own pop,
pick up merchandise from shelves, and pay the cashier. They deserve a
tip for this? Zeesh!

--
It's me, Baker!

When the Chips are Down,
the Buffalo is Empty.

"Jack Schidt®" > wrote in
m:

>
> "Gabby" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>>> arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was
>>>>shocked.
>>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>>
>>> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their
>>> job at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes
>>> Starbucks, Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar
>>> at, say, McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip
>>> jar at McDonald's?
>>
>> They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the
>> counter people there make about $7/hr.
>>
>> Gabby
>>
>
> Wow, $7 an hour.
>
> Jack Wage

They chose to work there. There are many clerking positions where
tipping is neither expected nor hoped for, and which pay no more than
that. Why should this be any different? I recently stopped for gas at
a station I'd never been to before. A tip jar was prominently
displayed. Even if I bought more than gas, I would dispense my own pop,
pick up merchandise from shelves, and pay the cashier. They deserve a
tip for this? Zeesh!

--
It's me, Baker!

When the Chips are Down,
the Buffalo is Empty.

"baker" > wrote in message
...
> "Jack Schidt®" > wrote in
> m:
>
>>
>> "Gabby" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>>>> arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was
>>>>>shocked.
>>>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>>>
>>>> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their
>>>> job at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes
>>>> Starbucks, Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar
>>>> at, say, McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip
>>>> jar at McDonald's?
>>>
>>> They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the
>>> counter people there make about $7/hr.
>>>
>>> Gabby
>>>
>>
>> Wow, $7 an hour.
>>
>> Jack Wage
>
> They chose to work there. There are many clerking positions where
> tipping is neither expected nor hoped for, and which pay no more than
> that. Why should this be any different? I recently stopped for gas at
> a station I'd never been to before. A tip jar was prominently
> displayed. Even if I bought more than gas, I would dispense my own pop,
> pick up merchandise from shelves, and pay the cashier. They deserve a
> tip for this? Zeesh!
>

My remark wasn't in support of tipping a counterperson but rather a response
to the way $7 an hour was presented as a kingly sum of money.

My counterperson tipping policy is as follows: if I feel a physical
attraction, I tip.

Jack Shallow

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:53:19 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote:
> My remark wasn't in support of tipping a counterperson
> but rather a response to the way $7 an hour was
> presented as a kingly sum of money.

But it _is_ a nice wage, commensurate with the level of work
required and (usually) the level of education said grunt has
attained. Graveyard and <Parentitis Flare-up on the other early-am
shift title> get paid slightly more because of the hours needed but
US$7.00 for simple counter help is quite high. Especially with
today's cash registers; scan the item (or punch a specific key),
punch in the amount tendered, and give back the correct change
stated on the display. How much effort is required from that?
Certainly not a BS in EE... You have to be able to breath or smile,
usually not both simultaneously; that's a bonus but you don't pay
extra for that.

The Ranger

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:53:19 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote:
> My remark wasn't in support of tipping a counterperson
> but rather a response to the way $7 an hour was
> presented as a kingly sum of money.

But it _is_ a nice wage, commensurate with the level of work
required and (usually) the level of education said grunt has
attained. Graveyard and <Parentitis Flare-up on the other early-am
shift title> get paid slightly more because of the hours needed but
US$7.00 for simple counter help is quite high. Especially with
today's cash registers; scan the item (or punch a specific key),
punch in the amount tendered, and give back the correct change
stated on the display. How much effort is required from that?
Certainly not a BS in EE... You have to be able to breath or smile,
usually not both simultaneously; that's a bonus but you don't pay
extra for that.

The Ranger

When not buying a used car the other day at a dealership, Jim and I had
negotiated the price, discussed what repairs would be done to the car,
gone over the car facts printout, and sat down to sign the contract. At
that point, we learned that we were expected to pay $118 extra to cover
the dealership's salesman's work in doing the paperwork in turning over
the title. It sure sounded like a mandatory tip to the cashier for
ringing up the sale, bagging the merchandise and handing me a receipt.
That should be part of the price of the product! I realize that's the
way things are done and everyone pays it. I balked. We're still in the
market for a used car.


--Lia

When not buying a used car the other day at a dealership, Jim and I had
negotiated the price, discussed what repairs would be done to the car,
gone over the car facts printout, and sat down to sign the contract. At
that point, we learned that we were expected to pay $118 extra to cover
the dealership's salesman's work in doing the paperwork in turning over
the title. It sure sounded like a mandatory tip to the cashier for
ringing up the sale, bagging the merchandise and handing me a receipt.
That should be part of the price of the product! I realize that's the
way things are done and everyone pays it. I balked. We're still in the
market for a used car.


--Lia

"The Ranger" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:53:19 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> > wrote:
>> My remark wasn't in support of tipping a counterperson
>> but rather a response to the way $7 an hour was
>> presented as a kingly sum of money.
>
> But it _is_ a nice wage, commensurate with the level of work
> required and (usually) the level of education said grunt has
> attained. Graveyard and <Parentitis Flare-up on the other early-am
> shift title> get paid slightly more because of the hours needed but
> US$7.00 for simple counter help is quite high. Especially with
> today's cash registers; scan the item (or punch a specific key),
> punch in the amount tendered, and give back the correct change
> stated on the display. How much effort is required from that?
> Certainly not a BS in EE... You have to be able to breath or smile,
> usually not both simultaneously; that's a bonus but you don't pay
> extra for that.
>
> The Ranger

I agree, working a counter ain't rocket science and it depends on what kinda
counter is being worked. A busy Dunkin Donuts or a gift shop?

$7 an hour is ok for a kid who lives with his parents and can walk to work.
Or it's probably ok for someone living in the sun belt or in the flyover
states. Around here, gas is 2 bucks a gallon and a one bedroom apt is at
least $800 a month. Food prices are climbing, too. So that 7 an hour,
full-time is $1120 or probably closer to a thousand bucks after deductions.
Take away the 800 for rent and you've got 200 bucks, or 50 a week to live
on. Good argument to stay in school, no?

If pay were truly commensurate with the level of work performed, half this
country would be making 7 bucks an hour. [your emoticon here] Of course,
that excludes me because my job is truly valuable [your emoticon here].

Jack Wage

"The Ranger" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:53:19 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> > wrote:
>> My remark wasn't in support of tipping a counterperson
>> but rather a response to the way $7 an hour was
>> presented as a kingly sum of money.
>
> But it _is_ a nice wage, commensurate with the level of work
> required and (usually) the level of education said grunt has
> attained. Graveyard and <Parentitis Flare-up on the other early-am
> shift title> get paid slightly more because of the hours needed but
> US$7.00 for simple counter help is quite high. Especially with
> today's cash registers; scan the item (or punch a specific key),
> punch in the amount tendered, and give back the correct change
> stated on the display. How much effort is required from that?
> Certainly not a BS in EE... You have to be able to breath or smile,
> usually not both simultaneously; that's a bonus but you don't pay
> extra for that.
>
> The Ranger

I agree, working a counter ain't rocket science and it depends on what kinda
counter is being worked. A busy Dunkin Donuts or a gift shop?

$7 an hour is ok for a kid who lives with his parents and can walk to work.
Or it's probably ok for someone living in the sun belt or in the flyover
states. Around here, gas is 2 bucks a gallon and a one bedroom apt is at
least $800 a month. Food prices are climbing, too. So that 7 an hour,
full-time is $1120 or probably closer to a thousand bucks after deductions.
Take away the 800 for rent and you've got 200 bucks, or 50 a week to live
on. Good argument to stay in school, no?

If pay were truly commensurate with the level of work performed, half this
country would be making 7 bucks an hour. [your emoticon here] Of course,
that excludes me because my job is truly valuable [your emoticon here].

Jack Wage

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:40:47 GMT, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

>When not buying a used car the other day at a dealership, Jim and I had
>negotiated the price, discussed what repairs would be done to the car,
>gone over the car facts printout, and sat down to sign the contract. At
>that point, we learned that we were expected to pay $118 extra to cover
>the dealership's salesman's work in doing the paperwork in turning over
>the title. It sure sounded like a mandatory tip to the cashier for
>ringing up the sale, bagging the merchandise and handing me a receipt.
>That should be part of the price of the product! I realize that's the
>way things are done and everyone pays it. I balked. We're still in the
>market for a used car.
>
>
>--Lia


That is a pretty common charge on new car sales here in northern NJ
and encompasses registering the vehicle and getting new plates, if
required.

Boron

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:40:47 GMT, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

>When not buying a used car the other day at a dealership, Jim and I had
>negotiated the price, discussed what repairs would be done to the car,
>gone over the car facts printout, and sat down to sign the contract. At
>that point, we learned that we were expected to pay $118 extra to cover
>the dealership's salesman's work in doing the paperwork in turning over
>the title. It sure sounded like a mandatory tip to the cashier for
>ringing up the sale, bagging the merchandise and handing me a receipt.
>That should be part of the price of the product! I realize that's the
>way things are done and everyone pays it. I balked. We're still in the
>market for a used car.
>
>
>--Lia


That is a pretty common charge on new car sales here in northern NJ
and encompasses registering the vehicle and getting new plates, if
required.

Boron

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote in message ...
>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>
>>
>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>
>Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
>at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
>Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
>McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
>McDonald's?

I work at a grocery store as a cashier. Occasionally, a customer requests
that we help them load their bags into their car. Invariably, the older
women will try and hand us a quarter or something. Even if i felt right
accepting a tip, i wouldnt take a f**king quarter.

--
saerah

TANSTAAFL

Short summary of every Jewish holiday: They tried to kill us, we won,
let's eat.

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote in message ...
>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>
>>
>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>
>Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
>at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
>Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
>McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
>McDonald's?

I work at a grocery store as a cashier. Occasionally, a customer requests
that we help them load their bags into their car. Invariably, the older
women will try and hand us a quarter or something. Even if i felt right
accepting a tip, i wouldnt take a f**king quarter.

--
saerah

TANSTAAFL

Short summary of every Jewish holiday: They tried to kill us, we won,
let's eat.

Gabby wrote in message >...
>
>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>> arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>>
>>>
>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>
>> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
>> at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
>> Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
>> McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
>> McDonald's?
>
>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
>people there make about $7/hr.

yeah, because thats a real cushiony income.

--
saerah

TANSTAAFL

Short summary of every Jewish holiday: They tried to kill us, we won,
let's eat.

The Ranger wrote in message ...
>On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:53:19 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote:
>> My remark wasn't in support of tipping a counterperson
>> but rather a response to the way $7 an hour was
>> presented as a kingly sum of money.
>
>But it _is_ a nice wage, commensurate with the level of work
>required and (usually) the level of education said grunt has
>attained.

i know quite a few people with college degrees who are working in retail,
making not much more.


> Graveyard and <Parentitis Flare-up on the other early-am
>shift title> get paid slightly more because of the hours needed but
>US$7.00 for simple counter help is quite high. Especially with
>today's cash registers; scan the item (or punch a specific key),
>punch in the amount tendered, and give back the correct change
>stated on the display. How much effort is required from that?
>Certainly not a BS in EE... You have to be able to breath or smile,
>usually not both simultaneously; that's a bonus but you don't pay
>extra for that.

It's not a living wage. whats the point of paying people at all if they
can't live on what you pay them?

--
saerah

TANSTAAFL

Short summary of every Jewish holiday: They tried to kill us, we won,
let's eat.

Julia Altshuler wrote:

> When not buying a used car the other day at a dealership, Jim and I had
> negotiated the price, discussed what repairs would be done to the car,
> gone over the car facts printout, and sat down to sign the contract. At
> that point, we learned that we were expected to pay $118 extra to cover
> the dealership's salesman's work in doing the paperwork in turning over
> the title. It sure sounded like a mandatory tip to the cashier for
> ringing up the sale, bagging the merchandise and handing me a receipt.
> That should be part of the price of the product! I realize that's the
> way things are done and everyone pays it. I balked. We're still in the
> market for a used car.

My neighbour's brother in law is a car salesman and one night after a few
drinks admitted that the "administration fee" is just another way of soaking
more money out of the customer. Around here they generally charge $75
"administration fee" to look after the transaction. I am in the market for
a new car and plan not to get sucked into that. All businesses have
paperwork they have to complete for a sale and I do not plan to pay extra
for that, and I will go to the licence bureau myself to pay the $10 fee for
transferring my plate to the new car.

In article <zfabd.250849$3l3.198120@attbi_s03>, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

> When not buying a used car the other day at a dealership, Jim and I had
> negotiated the price, discussed what repairs would be done to the car,
> gone over the car facts printout, and sat down to sign the contract. At
> that point, we learned that we were expected to pay $118 extra to cover
> the dealership's salesman's work in doing the paperwork in turning over
> the title. It sure sounded like a mandatory tip to the cashier for
> ringing up the sale, bagging the merchandise and handing me a receipt.
> That should be part of the price of the product! I realize that's the
> way things are done and everyone pays it. I balked. We're still in the
> market for a used car.

> --Lia

Trying to screw you without a kiss. Good for you, Lia. My car repair
place wanted to charge me for some hazardous waste or material disposal
charge for something once. Maybe $4. I questioned it because whatever
they did didn't require disposal of anything and I didn't figure I
should be charged for it. They didn't charge me.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 10-09-04; Sam I Am!.
"Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power."
-Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn.

In article <zfabd.250849$3l3.198120@attbi_s03>, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

> When not buying a used car the other day at a dealership, Jim and I had
> negotiated the price, discussed what repairs would be done to the car,
> gone over the car facts printout, and sat down to sign the contract. At
> that point, we learned that we were expected to pay $118 extra to cover
> the dealership's salesman's work in doing the paperwork in turning over
> the title. It sure sounded like a mandatory tip to the cashier for
> ringing up the sale, bagging the merchandise and handing me a receipt.
> That should be part of the price of the product! I realize that's the
> way things are done and everyone pays it. I balked. We're still in the
> market for a used car.

> --Lia

Trying to screw you without a kiss. Good for you, Lia. My car repair
place wanted to charge me for some hazardous waste or material disposal
charge for something once. Maybe $4. I questioned it because whatever
they did didn't require disposal of anything and I didn't figure I
should be charged for it. They didn't charge me.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 10-09-04; Sam I Am!.
"Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power."
-Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn.

baker wrote:

> "Jack Schidt®" > wrote in
> m:
>
>
>>"Gabby" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>>>>arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was
>>>>>shocked.
>>>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their
>>>>job at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes
>>>>Starbucks, Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar
>>>>at, say, McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip
>>>>jar at McDonald's?
>>>
>>>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the
>>>counter people there make about $7/hr.
>>>
>>>Gabby
>>>
>>
>>Wow, $7 an hour.
>>
>>Jack Wage
>
>
> They chose to work there. There are many clerking positions where
> tipping is neither expected nor hoped for, and which pay no more than
> that. Why should this be any different? I recently stopped for gas at
> a station I'd never been to before. A tip jar was prominently
> displayed. Even if I bought more than gas, I would dispense my own pop,
> pick up merchandise from shelves, and pay the cashier. They deserve a
> tip for this? Zeesh!
>
Gee, with tip cups showing up all over could it possibly be a symptom of
the fact that people need to make more than $7 per hour? THat's a fine
wage if you're a high school kid but there's lots of folks who have
these jobs as their full time work. Could you live on $7 per hour?

baker wrote:

> "Jack Schidt®" > wrote in
> m:
>
>
>>"Gabby" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>>>>arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was
>>>>>shocked.
>>>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their
>>>>job at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes
>>>>Starbucks, Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar
>>>>at, say, McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip
>>>>jar at McDonald's?
>>>
>>>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the
>>>counter people there make about $7/hr.
>>>
>>>Gabby
>>>
>>
>>Wow, $7 an hour.
>>
>>Jack Wage
>
>
> They chose to work there. There are many clerking positions where
> tipping is neither expected nor hoped for, and which pay no more than
> that. Why should this be any different? I recently stopped for gas at
> a station I'd never been to before. A tip jar was prominently
> displayed. Even if I bought more than gas, I would dispense my own pop,
> pick up merchandise from shelves, and pay the cashier. They deserve a
> tip for this? Zeesh!
>
Gee, with tip cups showing up all over could it possibly be a symptom of
the fact that people need to make more than $7 per hour? THat's a fine
wage if you're a high school kid but there's lots of folks who have
these jobs as their full time work. Could you live on $7 per hour?

"Jack Schidt®" > wrote in message
om...

> My remark wasn't in support of tipping a counterperson but rather a
> response to the way $7 an hour was presented as a kingly sum of money.
>
It may not be a kingly sum, but it's $1/hr than minimum wage in this
province and thus $1/hr more than most of the starting positions for that
type of job around here. And about $1/hr less than a receptionist at a
dental clinic around here.

Gabby

"Saerah" > wrote in message
...
>
> Gabby wrote in message >...
>>
>>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>>> arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
>>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>>
>>> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
>>> at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
>>> Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
>>> McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
>>> McDonald's?
>>
>>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
>>people there make about $7/hr.
>
> yeah, because thats a real cushiony income.

Most, if not all, are kids going to high school and living at home or
working summer jobs while going to university. The few adults that work
there are in supervisory positions and I assume they make more. And since
they are all non-unionized positions I'm sure the owner of the franchise is
free to pay the adults more.

Gabby

"Saerah" says:
>
>>Gabby wrote:
>>>"Terry Pulliam Burd" wrote:
>>>>"Jessica V." wrote:
>>>>
>>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
>>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>>
>>> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
>>> at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
>>> Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
>>> McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
>>> McDonald's?
>>
>>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
>>people there make about $7/hr.
>
>yeah, because thats a real cushiony income.

Hey, no reason to get all uppity with envy just 'cause they're paid so much
more than you.


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"Saerah" says:
>
>>Gabby wrote:
>>>"Terry Pulliam Burd" wrote:
>>>>"Jessica V." wrote:
>>>>
>>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
>>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>>
>>> Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
>>> at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
>>> Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
>>> McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
>>> McDonald's?
>>
>>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
>>people there make about $7/hr.
>
>yeah, because thats a real cushiony income.

Hey, no reason to get all uppity with envy just 'cause they're paid so much
more than you.


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In article >, "Saerah"
> wrote:

> It's not a living wage. whats the point of paying people at all if they
> can't live on what you pay them?

It's also part time shift work. Anyone who expects to live off of
that with no other supplementation has been sadly deceived about how
life works. They are more flexible wrt scheduling than a normal 9-5,
which is supposed to be a benefit for high school/college/SAHP.

Regards,
Ranee (who worked three jobs in college, all part time, all at just
above minimum wage)

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In article >, "Saerah"
> wrote:

> It's not a living wage. whats the point of paying people at all if they
> can't live on what you pay them?

It's also part time shift work. Anyone who expects to live off of
that with no other supplementation has been sadly deceived about how
life works. They are more flexible wrt scheduling than a normal 9-5,
which is supposed to be a benefit for high school/college/SAHP.

Regards,
Ranee (who worked three jobs in college, all part time, all at just
above minimum wage)

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"Gabby" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Saerah" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Gabby wrote in message >...
> >>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
> >>people there make about $7/hr.
> >
> > yeah, because thats a real cushiony income.
>
> Most, if not all, are kids going to high school and living at home or
> working summer jobs while going to university. The few adults that work
> there are in supervisory positions and I assume they make more. And since
> they are all non-unionized positions I'm sure the owner of the franchise
is
> free to pay the adults more.
>
> Gabby
>

So all of those businesses that pay $7/hr close while the kids are in
school? I'll bet the people that work during the day aren't high school
kids. They might be college kids but high school kids are in school. I
would also be willing to bet that most if not all of those positions come
*without* any kind of benefits at all.

Kathy

"Gabby" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Saerah" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Gabby wrote in message >...
> >>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
> >>people there make about $7/hr.
> >
> > yeah, because thats a real cushiony income.
>
> Most, if not all, are kids going to high school and living at home or
> working summer jobs while going to university. The few adults that work
> there are in supervisory positions and I assume they make more. And since
> they are all non-unionized positions I'm sure the owner of the franchise
is
> free to pay the adults more.
>
> Gabby
>

So all of those businesses that pay $7/hr close while the kids are in
school? I'll bet the people that work during the day aren't high school
kids. They might be college kids but high school kids are in school. I
would also be willing to bet that most if not all of those positions come
*without* any kind of benefits at all.

Kathy

Ellie C wrote:

> Gee, with tip cups showing up all over could it possibly be a symptom of
> the fact that people need to make more than $7 per hour? THat's a fine
> wage if you're a high school kid but there's lots of folks who have
> these jobs as their full time work. Could you live on $7 per hour?

Weren't jobs like this always incentive to finish
school and find a career that pays more?
Goomba

Ellie C wrote:

> Gee, with tip cups showing up all over could it possibly be a symptom of
> the fact that people need to make more than $7 per hour? THat's a fine
> wage if you're a high school kid but there's lots of folks who have
> these jobs as their full time work. Could you live on $7 per hour?

Weren't jobs like this always incentive to finish
school and find a career that pays more?
Goomba

Goomba38 wrote:

> > Gee, with tip cups showing up all over could it possibly be a symptom of
> > the fact that people need to make more than $7 per hour? THat's a fine
> > wage if you're a high school kid but there's lots of folks who have
> > these jobs as their full time work. Could you live on $7 per hour?
>
> Weren't jobs like this always incentive to finish
> school and find a career that pays more?
> Goomba

That's the way I figured it when I was a student and had a variety of minimum
wage jobs. . Delivering newspapers and picking fruit put a few pennies of
spending money in my pockets, but minimum wage would have been a huge raise.
Granted, a few of my newspaper customers sometimes tipped, but digging
foundations, working in a snack bar, cleaning restaurants on weekends, a
warehouse and stocking shelves in a department store were all minimum wage
jobs with no tips.

Goomba38 wrote:

> > Gee, with tip cups showing up all over could it possibly be a symptom of
> > the fact that people need to make more than $7 per hour? THat's a fine
> > wage if you're a high school kid but there's lots of folks who have
> > these jobs as their full time work. Could you live on $7 per hour?
>
> Weren't jobs like this always incentive to finish
> school and find a career that pays more?
> Goomba

That's the way I figured it when I was a student and had a variety of minimum
wage jobs. . Delivering newspapers and picking fruit put a few pennies of
spending money in my pockets, but minimum wage would have been a huge raise.
Granted, a few of my newspaper customers sometimes tipped, but digging
foundations, working in a snack bar, cleaning restaurants on weekends, a
warehouse and stocking shelves in a department store were all minimum wage
jobs with no tips.

Jack Schidt® wrote:
> "Gabby" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." >
>>>arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:
>>>
>>>
>>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked.
>>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job
>>>at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks,
>>>Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say,
>>>McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at
>>>McDonald's?
>>
>>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter
>>people there make about $7/hr.
>>
>>Gabby
>>
>
>
> Wow, $7 an hour.
>
> Jack Wage
>
>
Dunks pays $9.50 here to start for counter people. A friend manages one
of the franchise stores and makes over 50k a year. The location I was at
with the sign has an adult manager and assistant, all of the other
employees I've seen there are students (which I only know because I work
at the college). Sure as hell beats waiting tables in the off season in
Maine.

Jessica