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Jack Schidt® wrote:
> "Gabby" > wrote in message > ... > >>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message . .. >> >>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." > >>>arranged random neurons, so they looked like this: >>> >>> >>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked. >>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time. >>>> >>> >>>Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job >>>at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks, >>>Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say, >>>McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at >>>McDonald's? >> >>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter >>people there make about $7/hr. >> >>Gabby >> > > > Wow, $7 an hour. > > Jack Wage > > Dunks pays $9.50 here to start for counter people. A friend manages one of the franchise stores and makes over 50k a year. The location I was at with the sign has an adult manager and assistant, all of the other employees I've seen there are students (which I only know because I work at the college). Sure as hell beats waiting tables in the off season in Maine. Jessica |
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Goomba38 > wrote: > Ellie C wrote: > > > Gee, with tip cups showing up all over could it possibly be a symptom of > > the fact that people need to make more than $7 per hour? THat's a fine > > wage if you're a high school kid but there's lots of folks who have > > these jobs as their full time work. Could you live on $7 per hour? > > Weren't jobs like this always incentive to finish > school and find a career that pays more? > Goomba > HELL yes!!! Working my ass off for minumum wage at 6 flags Magic Mountain in California made be be very determined to work my way thru college so I could have a decent wage! I now earn around $23.00 per hour. Still not great (bad career choice) but better than minumum wage....... K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... >,,<Cat's Haven Hobby Farm>,,<Katraatcenturyteldotnet>,,< http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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In article >,
"Jessica V." > wrote: > Jack Schidt® wrote: > > "Gabby" > wrote in message > > ... > > > >>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message > . .. > >> > >>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." > > >>>arranged random neurons, so they looked like this: > >>> > >>> > >>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked. > >>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time. > >>>> > >>> > >>>Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job > >>>at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks, > >>>Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say, > >>>McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at > >>>McDonald's? > >> > >>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter > >>people there make about $7/hr. > >> > >>Gabby > >> > > > > > > Wow, $7 an hour. > > > > Jack Wage > > > > > Dunks pays $9.50 here to start for counter people. A friend manages one > of the franchise stores and makes over 50k a year. The location I was at > with the sign has an adult manager and assistant, all of the other > employees I've seen there are students (which I only know because I work > at the college). Sure as hell beats waiting tables in the off season in > Maine. > > Jessica I know some waitresses that make nearly what I do due to tips. ;-) They are cute and personable and flirt with the customers. Almost as bad as prostitution????? Scary. Om -- "See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time." -Robin Williams |
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In article >,
"Jessica V." > wrote: > Jack Schidt® wrote: > > "Gabby" > wrote in message > > ... > > > >>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message > . .. > >> > >>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." > > >>>arranged random neurons, so they looked like this: > >>> > >>> > >>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was shocked. > >>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time. > >>>> > >>> > >>>Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their job > >>>at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes Starbucks, > >>>Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar at, say, > >>>McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip jar at > >>>McDonald's? > >> > >>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the counter > >>people there make about $7/hr. > >> > >>Gabby > >> > > > > > > Wow, $7 an hour. > > > > Jack Wage > > > > > Dunks pays $9.50 here to start for counter people. A friend manages one > of the franchise stores and makes over 50k a year. The location I was at > with the sign has an adult manager and assistant, all of the other > employees I've seen there are students (which I only know because I work > at the college). Sure as hell beats waiting tables in the off season in > Maine. > > Jessica I know some waitresses that make nearly what I do due to tips. ;-) They are cute and personable and flirt with the customers. Almost as bad as prostitution????? Scary. Om -- "See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time." -Robin Williams |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message ... > > Almost as bad as prostitution????? > almost as good, you mean? > Scary. Bring yer wallet next time. ell oh ell. [YEH] Jack MustangPahrumpOwlClub |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message ... > > Almost as bad as prostitution????? > almost as good, you mean? > Scary. Bring yer wallet next time. ell oh ell. [YEH] Jack MustangPahrumpOwlClub |
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"Jack Schidt®" > wrote: > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > ... > > > > Almost as bad as prostitution????? > > > > almost as good, you mean? > > > Scary. > > Bring yer wallet next time. ell oh ell. [YEH] > > Jack MustangPahrumpOwlClub > > You have just been screwed by grandma's whorehouse... Remember that joke? Om. -- "See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time." -Robin Williams |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message ... > In article > , > "Jack Schidt®" > wrote: > >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message >> ... >> > >> > Almost as bad as prostitution????? >> > >> >> almost as good, you mean? >> >> > Scary. >> >> Bring yer wallet next time. ell oh ell. [YEH] >> >> Jack MustangPahrumpOwlClub >> >> > > You have just been screwed by grandma's whorehouse... > Remember that joke? > I seem to remember seeing that on a matchbook, too. Jack Old |
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Ellie C wrote:
> Gee, with tip cups showing up all over could it possibly be a symptom of > the fact that people need to make more than $7 per hour? THat's a fine > wage if you're a high school kid but there's lots of folks who have > these jobs as their full time work. Could you live on $7 per hour? There's no doubt that $7/hour is not a lot of money. The question, for me, is how the higher wage should get delivered to the worker. I'd like the employer to take care of it. The tip system is all weird and wrong. The tip is supposed to be optional so you'd think that if you don't like paying the tip you don't have to. But then the worker gets screwed. You end up with a cycle like this: Employer pays worker too little. Customer thinks worker should get paid more and therefore tips. Employer realizes tips are turning job into a well paid one. Employer figures out way to get hands into the tip jar. Customer must tip MORE to give worker a living wage. For example, at many coat and package check places at museums and convention halls, the workers never see the so called tips. Management takes them outright. --Lia |
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Ellie C wrote:
> Gee, with tip cups showing up all over could it possibly be a symptom of > the fact that people need to make more than $7 per hour? THat's a fine > wage if you're a high school kid but there's lots of folks who have > these jobs as their full time work. Could you live on $7 per hour? There's no doubt that $7/hour is not a lot of money. The question, for me, is how the higher wage should get delivered to the worker. I'd like the employer to take care of it. The tip system is all weird and wrong. The tip is supposed to be optional so you'd think that if you don't like paying the tip you don't have to. But then the worker gets screwed. You end up with a cycle like this: Employer pays worker too little. Customer thinks worker should get paid more and therefore tips. Employer realizes tips are turning job into a well paid one. Employer figures out way to get hands into the tip jar. Customer must tip MORE to give worker a living wage. For example, at many coat and package check places at museums and convention halls, the workers never see the so called tips. Management takes them outright. --Lia |
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> Trying to screw you without a kiss. Good for you, Lia. My car repair > place wanted to charge me for some hazardous waste or material disposal > charge for something once. Maybe $4. I questioned it because whatever > they did didn't require disposal of anything and I didn't figure I > should be charged for it. They didn't charge me. Thanks for the note of support. The truth is that we talked for the rest of the night about whether or not I did the right thing. This is a case of non-buyer's remorse. I know that ALL the used car dealers do this. I'm asking myself how I would feel about it if they'd told us up front that there would be this extra fee. Would I have minded then? In a restaurant, I know I'm expected to tip, and I always do. What if I thought of this as a tip that everyone else knows is expected? The bottom line is that we're not sure we wanted this car anyway. At least, that's what I'm telling myself. --Lia |
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Ellie C > wrote in
: > baker wrote: > >> "Jack Schidt®" > wrote in >> m: >> >> >>>"Gabby" > wrote in message ... >>> >>>>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message m... >>>> >>>>>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:07:20 -0400, "Jessica V." > >>>>>arranged random neurons, so they looked like this: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>That was the big sign up at Dunkin Donuts this morning. I was >>>>>>shocked. >>>>>> The tip cups are gone. It's about time. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Never could figure out why you'd tip someone for performing their >>>>>job at what is essentially a fast food joint - this includes >>>>>Starbucks, Diedrich's, etc. - yet you wouldn't dream of a tip jar >>>>>at, say, McDonald's. Same degree of service, but do you see a tip >>>>>jar at McDonald's? >>>> >>>>They have one at A & W, here. It always ticks me off since the >>>>counter people there make about $7/hr. >>>> >>>>Gabby >>>> >>> >>>Wow, $7 an hour. >>> >>>Jack Wage >> >> >> They chose to work there. There are many clerking positions where >> tipping is neither expected nor hoped for, and which pay no more than >> that. Why should this be any different? I recently stopped for gas >> at a station I'd never been to before. A tip jar was prominently >> displayed. Even if I bought more than gas, I would dispense my own >> pop, pick up merchandise from shelves, and pay the cashier. They >> deserve a tip for this? Zeesh! >> > Gee, with tip cups showing up all over could it possibly be a symptom > of the fact that people need to make more than $7 per hour? THat's a > fine wage if you're a high school kid but there's lots of folks who > have these jobs as their full time work. Could you live on $7 per > hour? I never said it was a good income nor that people didn't need to make more money. The price for merchandise is set, and that is the price I expect to pay, plus tax, which I also expect to pay. I do not expect to supplement someone's wage through tipping because they think they should be able to depend on the kindness of strangers. I'm sure when they agreed to take the job that they knew what the wage would be. Poor planning and greater expectations on their part does not constitute an obligation on my part, and I resent any implication to that by the presence of tip cups. -- It's me, Baker! When the Chips are Down, the Buffalo is Empty. |
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Boron Elgar wrote:
> That is a pretty common charge on new car sales here in northern NJ > and encompasses registering the vehicle and getting new plates, if > required. It is common here in New England too. The safety inspection costs around $30. We can put the plates from the old car on the new one so that costs nothing. I'm sure there is a lot of paperwork and hassle involved with transferring the title, but look at it another way. Say you were buying several largish shrubs to plant in your garden and had brought your own truck to haul them home in. They're heavy, but you can lift them yourself if you take them one at a time. They're labeled as costing $30 each. You get to the register to pay, but there's an extra $5 charge for each one. You question it. The salesperson explains "we had to water the shrubs while they were here in the store, and they need special storage where they can get sun. Also, the staff who takes care of shrubbery before it is sold has to get special training, and there's a truck that delivers the plants to us. All that costs money. Five dollars is a bargain." Well maybe it is, but why aren't they labeled as costing $35 in the first place? --Lia |
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In article >,
"Jack Schidt®" > wrote: > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > ... > > In article > , > > "Jack Schidt®" > wrote: > > > >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > > >> > Almost as bad as prostitution????? > >> > > >> > >> almost as good, you mean? > >> > >> > Scary. > >> > >> Bring yer wallet next time. ell oh ell. [YEH] > >> > >> Jack MustangPahrumpOwlClub > >> > >> > > > > You have just been screwed by grandma's whorehouse... > > Remember that joke? > > > > I seem to remember seeing that on a matchbook, too. > > Jack Old > > Bathroom wall...... Om -- "See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time." -Robin Williams |
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In article >,
"Jack Schidt®" > wrote: > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > ... > > In article > , > > "Jack Schidt®" > wrote: > > > >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > > >> > Almost as bad as prostitution????? > >> > > >> > >> almost as good, you mean? > >> > >> > Scary. > >> > >> Bring yer wallet next time. ell oh ell. [YEH] > >> > >> Jack MustangPahrumpOwlClub > >> > >> > > > > You have just been screwed by grandma's whorehouse... > > Remember that joke? > > > > I seem to remember seeing that on a matchbook, too. > > Jack Old > > Bathroom wall...... Om -- "See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time." -Robin Williams |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:11:07 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> wrote: > Pitiful, yes, but it's still not the customer's job to supplement it. And I > bet McD's would have a tip jar if managment allowed it! I bet dollars to doughnuts that management encourages this practice (nah, I bet they originated the idea). Do you really think that a tip cup would be on the counter if the highest levels of corporate management didn't condone it???? sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:11:07 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> wrote: > Pitiful, yes, but it's still not the customer's job to supplement it. And I > bet McD's would have a tip jar if managment allowed it! I bet dollars to doughnuts that management encourages this practice (nah, I bet they originated the idea). Do you really think that a tip cup would be on the counter if the highest levels of corporate management didn't condone it???? sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker >
wrote: > They chose to work there. Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker >
wrote: > They chose to work there. Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:52:12 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote: > > You have just been screwed by grandma's whorehouse... > > Remember that joke? > > > > I seem to remember seeing that on a matchbook, too. Am I THAT young? I have no idea what the joke is. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:46:34 -0300, "Gabby"
> wrote: > Most, if not all, are kids going to high school and living at home or > working summer jobs while going to university. The few adults that work > there are in supervisory positions and I assume they make more. And since > they are all non-unionized positions I'm sure the owner of the franchise is > free to pay the adults more. > > Gabby > Dream on. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:40:47 GMT, Julia Altshuler
> wrote: > We're still in the > market for a used car. Try Craig's list. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:27:05 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote: > That is a pretty common charge on new car sales here in northern NJ > and encompasses registering the vehicle and getting new plates, if > required. A good negotiator doesn't pay for that. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:57:38 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote: > Trying to screw you without a kiss. good one! sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:57:38 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote: > Trying to screw you without a kiss. good one! sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:37:54 -0400, "Saerah"
> wrote: > Even if i felt right > accepting a tip, i wouldnt take a f**king quarter. In "their day", a quarter was a good tip, so don't be offended. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:37:54 -0400, "Saerah"
> wrote: > Even if i felt right > accepting a tip, i wouldnt take a f**king quarter. In "their day", a quarter was a good tip, so don't be offended. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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"sf" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:37:54 -0400, "Saerah" > > wrote: > >> Even if i felt right >> accepting a tip, i wouldnt take a f**king quarter. > > In "their day", a quarter was a good tip, so don't be > offended. > It may also be a good percentage of their present day income. Gabby |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 01:41:22 GMT, Julia Altshuler
> wrote: >Boron Elgar wrote: > >> That is a pretty common charge on new car sales here in northern NJ >> and encompasses registering the vehicle and getting new plates, if >> required. > > >It is common here in New England too. The safety inspection costs >around $30. We can put the plates from the old car on the new one so >that costs nothing. I'm sure there is a lot of paperwork and hassle >involved with transferring the title, but look at it another way. Say >you were buying several largish shrubs to plant in your garden and had >brought your own truck to haul them home in. They're heavy, but you can >lift them yourself if you take them one at a time. They're labeled as >costing $30 each. You get to the register to pay, but there's an extra >$5 charge for each one. You question it. The salesperson explains "we >had to water the shrubs while they were here in the store, and they need >special storage where they can get sun. Also, the staff who takes care >of shrubbery before it is sold has to get special training, and there's >a truck that delivers the plants to us. All that costs money. Five >dollars is a bargain." Well maybe it is, but why aren't they labeled as >costing $35 in the first place? > > >--Lia The paperwork fee is pre-printed on the invoices around here...you negotiate around it, not about it. You get your savings elsewhere, knowing about the fees ahead of time. I know there are fixed charges, such as "dealer prep" and the like and so I base my negotiating price knowing those things are in there. I consider them part of the "asking price" and negotiate down from there. You seemed to have mastered the one thing to know about buying a car - be prepared to walk if you do not like the deal. Again, anything is negotiable...they bottom line is the bottom line...whether they reduce or eliminate the paperwork fee or charge for filling the tank or lower the offering for your trade-in, it doesn't matter...you want to get to the final costs. It is no more nor no less a legitimate fee than the itemization billing that hospitals do, so that a dose of Tylenol runs 4-6 dollars on the invoice. As a patient, you have less chance of negotiating that...it is their way of getting around the insurance companies and unless you are paying cash, you can be SOL with hospital charges. I went through the same sort of BS trying to get a new cell phone the other day. Same sort of post purchases fees that got tacked on and a hideous attempt to "up-sell" with accessories, too. It was the same high pressure tactics as buying a car. Having purchased 2 new cars in 15 months, the similarities were quite striking to me. Just to bring the topic back to food...always go car shopping on a full stomach, as you may be there awhile. Besides, car sale techniques are liable to make you lose your appetite. Boron |
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Lia wrote on 10/13/2004:
<snip> All that costs money. Five dollars is a bargain." Well maybe >it is, but why aren't they labeled as costing $35 in the first place? I recall the first time I noticed an "up" charge itemized on a restaurant bill for a martini served "up". It was $2 or $3. I asked the waiter about it because I had not seen that before. He explained - in a rather surly way - that they started doing that because you get more booze when the drink is served "up". So, I say, why don't you just include it in the price of the drink and skip the separate line item. I don't remember what he said to that, just that it was also a surly answer. So, I made a corresponding adjustment to his tip. This restaurant has long since abandoned this practice. |
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Lia wrote on 10/13/2004:
<snip> All that costs money. Five dollars is a bargain." Well maybe >it is, but why aren't they labeled as costing $35 in the first place? I recall the first time I noticed an "up" charge itemized on a restaurant bill for a martini served "up". It was $2 or $3. I asked the waiter about it because I had not seen that before. He explained - in a rather surly way - that they started doing that because you get more booze when the drink is served "up". So, I say, why don't you just include it in the price of the drink and skip the separate line item. I don't remember what he said to that, just that it was also a surly answer. So, I made a corresponding adjustment to his tip. This restaurant has long since abandoned this practice. |
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sf > wrote in news:jb2sm0p0h39p8duh1892dipfc028759fkh@
4ax.com: > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > > wrote: > >> They chose to work there. > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. Did you choose the jobs you've had, or were they chosen for you? -- It's me, Baker! When the Chips are Down, the Buffalo is Empty. |
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sf > wrote in news:jb2sm0p0h39p8duh1892dipfc028759fkh@
4ax.com: > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > > wrote: > >> They chose to work there. > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. Did you choose the jobs you've had, or were they chosen for you? -- It's me, Baker! When the Chips are Down, the Buffalo is Empty. |
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Kevintsheehy wrote:
> I recall the first time I noticed an "up" charge itemized on a > restaurant bill for a martini served "up". It was $2 or $3. I > asked the waiter about it because I had not seen that before. > He explained - in a rather surly way - that they started doing > that because you get more booze when the drink is served > "up". So, I say, why don't you just include it in the price of > the drink and skip the separate line item. I don't remember > what he said to that, just that it was also a surly answer. That's interesting. I worked in a bar. There was one price for a shot of bar brand alcohol and a higher price for a call brand of alcohol. Soda mixers were free, and a shot was the same size no matter what it was mixed with. So a shot of scotch served straight up (also called neat) was the same shot served with ice (on the rocks) which was the same served with soda or water. All were the same price. Juice mixers (a screwdriver, for example) cost a little more, and frozen drinks (anything requiring a blender) were more still. Everyone knew that the cost for the alcohol and the size of the alcohol portion was going to be the same however it was served. The size of the glasses reflected this. While there's no excuse for the waiter explaining the "up" charge in a surly manner, what would have infuriated me is that he was wrong or lying. You DON'T get more booze when the drink is served neat, or you shouldn't. I have a funny personal take on this. I have little tolerance for alcohol, but I enjoy going out for drinks with friends (more so in my younger days, but the principle still applies). If I ordered scotch and soda or any mixed drink on ice, I could never drink it before the ice melted and the soda went flat, but if I tried to keep up with as much as my friends were drinking, I'd get way too drunk. My date would want to buy me another drink. Possibly he wanted to get me drunk. I can't keep up and keep my head at the same time. The solution has always been to order a shot of good scotch or cognac neat. That way I could sip at the one drink all night. No one in his right mind would want to get me drunk on the most expensive liquor in the house, but my all-night bill was reasonable as I only ever had that one single drink. --Lia |
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sf wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:40:47 GMT, Julia Altshuler > > wrote: > > >> We're still in the >> market for a used car. > > > Try Craig's list. Thanks, I'll check in out. The funny thing is that we can afford to drag our feet. My job is walking distance from home (a healthy 40-50 minute walk as exercise). Jim works from home. We can manage with one car as long as the weather stays this nice. --Lia |
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"baker" > wrote in message
... > sf > wrote in news:jb2sm0p0h39p8duh1892dipfc028759fkh@ > 4ax.com: > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > > > wrote: > > > >> They chose to work there. > > > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. > > Did you choose the jobs you've had, or were they chosen for you? > For a lot of people, job choice consists of chosing between McDonalds and Burger King. It's easy to say that they should "get an education and better themselves" and many do, but others do not have the chance. It's also undeniably true that many people simnply don't have the smarts or the ambition to do so, but that's no reason why they should be sentenced to living in poverty their whole lives. Anyone who is willing to work and play by the rules should be able to make a decent life for themselves and their family. A country that can afford to pay executives tens of millions a year can surely afford a little more at the other end of the scale. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:42:15 -0400, "Saerah"
> wrote: > The Ranger wrote in message ... > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:53:19 GMT, "Jack Schidt®" > wrote: > > > My remark wasn't in support of tipping a counterperson > > > but rather a response to the way $7 an hour was > > > presented as a kingly sum of money. > > > > > But it _is_ a nice wage, commensurate with the > > level of work required and (usually) the level of > > education said grunt has attained. > > > i know quite a few people with college degrees who > are working in retail, making not much more. I did, too; right out of college. The same numbers were recruited for insurance sales, too; those companies would only _look_ at applicants with university degrees. In a buyer's market, the employer decides what he will, or will not, hire and the minimum requirements from said applicants. > > Graveyard and <Parentitis Flare-up on the other > > early-am shift title> get paid slightly more because > > of the hours needed but US$7.00 for simple counter > > help is quite high. Especially with today's cash registers; > > scan the item (or punch a specific key), punch in the > > amount tendered, and give back the correct change > > stated on the display. How much effort is required > > from that? Certainly not a BS in EE... You have to be > > able to breath or smile, usually not both simultaneously; > > that's a bonus but you don't pay extra for that. > > > It's not a living wage. whats the point of paying people > at all if they can't live on what you pay them? That is _not_ the employer's problem. There are alternatives available, whether _you_ like them or not. The Ranger |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:07:25 GMT, sf > wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > wrote: > > They chose to work there. > > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. Everybody has choices... The Ranger |
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