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Naomi Darvell wrote:
> Whether I tip or not has nothing to do with the person's hourly wage. Most of > the time, I have no idea what that is anyway. I tip to pay for any kind of > personal service. Ringing up a purchase is not a personal service. Serving food > is. I see an espresso bar as kind of a gray area if they are making your drink > for you. I see no gray area if I have to go to the counter to order my espresso. I realize that it requires more ground coffee, more labour and the use of an expensive machine. However, where I would have paid $1.10 for a regular cup of coffee, I am paying $2.55 for the espresso. That extra cost gets rid of the gray for me. |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:11:21 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> wrote: > "baker" > wrote in message ... > > sf > wrote in : > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > wrote: > > > > They chose to work there. > > > > > > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. > > > > > Did you choose the jobs you've had, or were they > > chosen for you? > > > For a lot of people, job choice consists of chosing between > McDonalds and Burger King. Nonsense. There are blue collar jobs that pay more than minimum wage everywhere. Migrant workers fill those positions regularly because the local population finds them distasteful or beneath their dignity. > It's easy to say that they should > "get an education and better themselves" and many do, but > others do not have the chance. It's also undeniably true that > many people simnply don't have the smarts or the ambition > to do so, but that's no reason why they should be sentenced > to living in poverty their whole lives. For the simple reason no one owes them anything. We are a country built on always attempting to better ourselves, whether fiscally, emotionally, or in some other manner. When the person _chooses_ not to better themselves, then they are destined to remain in poverty. It's that simple. > Anyone who is willing to work and play by the rules should > be able to make a decent life for themselves and their family. The migrant families (Mexican, Nicaraguans, Costa Ricans, El Salvadoran, Vietnamese, Chinese, Irish, Australian, and Hindi are just a few) I know do make (and have made) decent lives for themselves and their families. They very much play by the host's rules. > A country that can afford to pay executives tens of millions > a year can surely afford a little more at the other end of the > scale. We've already seen how that system works. I seem to remember it failing and taking a former world power down with it. The Ranger |
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"The Ranger" > wrote in message
... > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:11:21 GMT, "Peter Aitken" > > wrote: > > "baker" > wrote in message ... > > > sf > wrote in : > > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > wrote: > > > > > > They chose to work there. > > > > > > > > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. > > > > > > > Did you choose the jobs you've had, or were they > > > chosen for you? > > > > > For a lot of people, job choice consists of chosing between > > McDonalds and Burger King. > > Nonsense. There are blue collar jobs that pay more than minimum > wage everywhere. Migrant workers fill those positions regularly > because the local population finds them distasteful or beneath > their dignity. > > > It's easy to say that they should > > "get an education and better themselves" and many do, but > > others do not have the chance. It's also undeniably true that > > many people simnply don't have the smarts or the ambition > > to do so, but that's no reason why they should be sentenced > > to living in poverty their whole lives. > > For the simple reason no one owes them anything. We are a country > built on always attempting to better ourselves, whether fiscally, > emotionally, or in some other manner. When the person _chooses_ not > to better themselves, then they are destined to remain in poverty. > It's that simple. Why do you say "chooses" when my argument is quite clearly based on the fact that many people do *not* have a choice? Also, I disagree with your premise that "no one owes them anything." Our society is based on the premise that work is good and that people who work should be fairly compensated. When someone works 40 or 60 hours a week and can barely scrape by, something is wrong. > > > Anyone who is willing to work and play by the rules should > > be able to make a decent life for themselves and their family. > > The migrant families (Mexican, Nicaraguans, Costa Ricans, El > Salvadoran, Vietnamese, Chinese, Irish, Australian, and Hindi are > just a few) I know do make (and have made) decent lives for > themselves and their families. They very much play by the host's > rules. > Good for them, but so what? This is completely irrelevant to the discussion. > > A country that can afford to pay executives tens of millions > > a year can surely afford a little more at the other end of the > > scale. > > We've already seen how that system works. I seem to remember it > failing and taking a former world power down with it. > Don't be bloody silly - there's absolutely no comparison. We (the US) already have a minimum wage - does that make us "Communist" and doomed to fall? -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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On 10/14/2004, Lia wrote:
<snip> >While there's no excuse for the waiter explaining the "up" >charge in a surly manner, what would have infuriated me is >that he was wrong or lying. You DON'T get more booze when >the drink is served neat, or you shouldn't. What irritated me most was that he said it like I was the only person in the world who didn't know this. So, if they actually do put more booze in an "up" drink, why haven't they been charging extra all along? When I watched the bartender do his pours, I couldn't see any difference between an "up" pour and a "non-up" (down?) pour. Thanks for the story. |
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"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message . com... > "The Ranger" > wrote in message > ... >> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:11:21 GMT, "Peter Aitken" >> > wrote: >> > "baker" > wrote in message > ... >> > > sf > wrote in > : >> > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > wrote: >> >> > > > > They chose to work there. >> > > > > >> > > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. >> > > > >> > > Did you choose the jobs you've had, or were they >> > > chosen for you? >> > > >> > For a lot of people, job choice consists of chosing between >> > McDonalds and Burger King. >> >> Nonsense. There are blue collar jobs that pay more than minimum >> wage everywhere. Migrant workers fill those positions regularly >> because the local population finds them distasteful or beneath >> their dignity. >> >> > It's easy to say that they should >> > "get an education and better themselves" and many do, but >> > others do not have the chance. It's also undeniably true that >> > many people simnply don't have the smarts or the ambition >> > to do so, but that's no reason why they should be sentenced >> > to living in poverty their whole lives. >> >> For the simple reason no one owes them anything. We are a country >> built on always attempting to better ourselves, whether fiscally, >> emotionally, or in some other manner. When the person _chooses_ not >> to better themselves, then they are destined to remain in poverty. >> It's that simple. > > Why do you say "chooses" when my argument is quite clearly based on the > fact > that many people do *not* have a choice? Also, I disagree with your > premise > that "no one owes them anything." Our society is based on the premise that > work is good and that people who work should be fairly compensated. When > someone works 40 or 60 hours a week and can barely scrape by, something is > wrong. > >> >> > Anyone who is willing to work and play by the rules should >> > be able to make a decent life for themselves and their family. >> >> The migrant families (Mexican, Nicaraguans, Costa Ricans, El >> Salvadoran, Vietnamese, Chinese, Irish, Australian, and Hindi are >> just a few) I know do make (and have made) decent lives for >> themselves and their families. They very much play by the host's >> rules. >> > > Good for them, but so what? This is completely irrelevant to the > discussion. > >> > A country that can afford to pay executives tens of millions >> > a year can surely afford a little more at the other end of the >> > scale. >> >> We've already seen how that system works. I seem to remember it >> failing and taking a former world power down with it. >> > > Don't be bloody silly - there's absolutely no comparison. We (the US) > already have a minimum wage - does that make us "Communist" and doomed to > fall? > Just let them eat cake, Peter, let them eat cake. Jack Robespierre |
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"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message . com... > "The Ranger" > wrote in message > ... >> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:11:21 GMT, "Peter Aitken" >> > wrote: >> > "baker" > wrote in message > ... >> > > sf > wrote in > : >> > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > wrote: >> >> > > > > They chose to work there. >> > > > > >> > > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. >> > > > >> > > Did you choose the jobs you've had, or were they >> > > chosen for you? >> > > >> > For a lot of people, job choice consists of chosing between >> > McDonalds and Burger King. >> >> Nonsense. There are blue collar jobs that pay more than minimum >> wage everywhere. Migrant workers fill those positions regularly >> because the local population finds them distasteful or beneath >> their dignity. >> >> > It's easy to say that they should >> > "get an education and better themselves" and many do, but >> > others do not have the chance. It's also undeniably true that >> > many people simnply don't have the smarts or the ambition >> > to do so, but that's no reason why they should be sentenced >> > to living in poverty their whole lives. >> >> For the simple reason no one owes them anything. We are a country >> built on always attempting to better ourselves, whether fiscally, >> emotionally, or in some other manner. When the person _chooses_ not >> to better themselves, then they are destined to remain in poverty. >> It's that simple. > > Why do you say "chooses" when my argument is quite clearly based on the > fact > that many people do *not* have a choice? Also, I disagree with your > premise > that "no one owes them anything." Our society is based on the premise that > work is good and that people who work should be fairly compensated. When > someone works 40 or 60 hours a week and can barely scrape by, something is > wrong. > >> >> > Anyone who is willing to work and play by the rules should >> > be able to make a decent life for themselves and their family. >> >> The migrant families (Mexican, Nicaraguans, Costa Ricans, El >> Salvadoran, Vietnamese, Chinese, Irish, Australian, and Hindi are >> just a few) I know do make (and have made) decent lives for >> themselves and their families. They very much play by the host's >> rules. >> > > Good for them, but so what? This is completely irrelevant to the > discussion. > >> > A country that can afford to pay executives tens of millions >> > a year can surely afford a little more at the other end of the >> > scale. >> >> We've already seen how that system works. I seem to remember it >> failing and taking a former world power down with it. >> > > Don't be bloody silly - there's absolutely no comparison. We (the US) > already have a minimum wage - does that make us "Communist" and doomed to > fall? > Just let them eat cake, Peter, let them eat cake. Jack Robespierre |
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> (Naomi Darvell) wrote:
> >Peter Aitken wrote: > >>Your reasoning should include the fact that wait staff at restaurants are >>paid well below minimum wage with the expectation that tips will make up the >>difference. Counter people are *not* paid below minimum wage. They (and all >>workers) should be paid a decent wage, but it should come from the employer >>and not as bribes from the customers. > > >I certainly do tip wait staff much more. However, I also tip my manicurist >and >the guy who looks after my dog when I board her at the kennel. I have no idea >how much either of them makes. It's not a bribe; it's my way of recognizing >and perpetuating good personal service. People may tip zero at places they're where not satisfied and intend to never return (and generally do exactly that, although they'll never admit it), but where one is a steady customer they do tip and for obvious reasons it behooves them to do so... obviously if you are tipping to perpetuate recognition and good service it IS a bribe, pure and simple... you'd be pretty stupid not to tip your regular cosmotology and kennel staff, just as stupid not to tip at the restaurants you regularly frequent. Tipping is a bribe, and nothing else... it's so upon your return it ensures preferential treatment... no way you can convince me a tip is like an anonymous donation to your favorite charity. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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> (Naomi Darvell) wrote:
> >Peter Aitken wrote: > >>Your reasoning should include the fact that wait staff at restaurants are >>paid well below minimum wage with the expectation that tips will make up the >>difference. Counter people are *not* paid below minimum wage. They (and all >>workers) should be paid a decent wage, but it should come from the employer >>and not as bribes from the customers. > > >I certainly do tip wait staff much more. However, I also tip my manicurist >and >the guy who looks after my dog when I board her at the kennel. I have no idea >how much either of them makes. It's not a bribe; it's my way of recognizing >and perpetuating good personal service. People may tip zero at places they're where not satisfied and intend to never return (and generally do exactly that, although they'll never admit it), but where one is a steady customer they do tip and for obvious reasons it behooves them to do so... obviously if you are tipping to perpetuate recognition and good service it IS a bribe, pure and simple... you'd be pretty stupid not to tip your regular cosmotology and kennel staff, just as stupid not to tip at the restaurants you regularly frequent. Tipping is a bribe, and nothing else... it's so upon your return it ensures preferential treatment... no way you can convince me a tip is like an anonymous donation to your favorite charity. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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Gabby wrote in message >... > >"sf" > wrote in message .. . >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:37:54 -0400, "Saerah" >> > wrote: >> >>> Even if i felt right >>> accepting a tip, i wouldnt take a f**king quarter. >> >> In "their day", a quarter was a good tip, so don't be >> offended. >> >It may also be a good percentage of their present day income. not for those shopping where i work. trust me. ("oh my ! how did i manage to spend $300 on groceries?") -- saerah TANSTAAFL Short summary of every Jewish holiday: They tried to kill us, we won, let's eat. |
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Gabby wrote in message >... > >"sf" > wrote in message .. . >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:37:54 -0400, "Saerah" >> > wrote: >> >>> Even if i felt right >>> accepting a tip, i wouldnt take a f**king quarter. >> >> In "their day", a quarter was a good tip, so don't be >> offended. >> >It may also be a good percentage of their present day income. not for those shopping where i work. trust me. ("oh my ! how did i manage to spend $300 on groceries?") -- saerah TANSTAAFL Short summary of every Jewish holiday: They tried to kill us, we won, let's eat. |
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That's interesting about the post-price costs when buying a cell phone.
I'm imagining the world and the way it will look when this catches on all over. "Yes sir, that toothpaste comes $1.39 as was marked on the shelf, plus the testing fee, the extra for the tube and cap, and the liability charge. You don't want to pay extra for the tube? What, you want me to squirt it out into your hand? I don't know what you're arguing about; we ALWAYS charge for the tube, and everyone pays it. That's just the way it is done. There's also the landfill fee for the tube when you're ready to throw it away. We collect that now. The health department won't let us refill tubes. Yuck, you'd refill a toothpaste tube just to save some money. I don't get it with these cheapskates. Now that I've explained all this to you, I expect to be tipped. Not everyone requires lengthy explanations so you've gotten extra special service." Today the back-up auxillary car started showing signs of imminent death so the necessity of buying one today got more necessary. It is done. We bought a car. Buyer's remorse and all that. I think I've figured out that car buying is like getting sick. You can take good care of your health, but you're still going to get sick now and then, and when you do, it just sucks. Everyone else has been there, and people are sympathetic. They'll even bring you chicken soup, but the bottom line is that getting sick is an unavoidable part of life. Buying cars is the same. There are things you can do to avoid having to do it so often and to make it not so bad, but buying a car and worrying about getting the right price or refusing to buy one car and letting it go to someone else or wondering if you checked everything that might need fixing, it all sucks. Bleah. --Lia |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:41:46 -0700, The Ranger
> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:07:25 GMT, sf > wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > wrote: > > > They chose to work there. > > > > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. > > Everybody has choices... > Their choice is between a rock and a hard place. Your choice was to turn a blind eye to the truth of the situation. None are so blind as those who will not see. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:00:26 GMT, Julia Altshuler
> wrote: > We can manage with one car as long as the weather stays this nice. We're a one car family too (which is fine because our 1926 house has a one car garage). I live 15 minutes from work by car, but my husband actually volunteered to be my chauffer because, like your husband, he works from home. He figured that the inconvenience of driving me was worth the $$$ savings on depreciation (we lease new cars), insurance, gas and all the parking tickets I'd accrue on a monthly basis.  sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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In article > , "Jack
Schidt®" > wrote: > "CJB" > wrote in message > ... > > previously in rfc, (PENMART01) wrote: > > > > > >> People may tip zero at places they're where not satisfied and > >> intend to never return (and generally do exactly that, although > >> they'll never admit it), but where one is a steady customer they > >> do tip and for obvious reasons it behooves them to do so... > >> obviously if you are tipping to perpetuate recognition and good > >> service it IS a bribe, pure and simple... you'd be pretty stupid > >> not to tip your regular cosmotology and kennel staff, just as > >> stupid not to tip at the restaurants you regularly frequent. > >> Tipping is a bribe, and nothing else... it's so upon your return > >> it ensures preferential treatment... no way you can convince me a > >> tip is like an anonymous donation to your favorite charity. > >> > > > > My husband is a definite proponent of the tipping as bribe policy. > > In fact, he often tips in advance. Like handing the maitre d or > > valet a folded bill, he'll even extend the policy to tipping > > waiters and busboys in advance at the catering halls or restaurants > > where he's booked the band for a private party. The drinks flow > > smoothly and he can get a cup of coffee by just lifting a finger > > from the piano. I'm trying to remember where else he's done so - > > oh, he always tipped the kids' camp counselors in advance! The AAA > > guy, definitely concierges at hotels, the new super in his office > > building.... > > > > Tipping in advance definitely works! In a gangster sort of way. > > > > > > -Claudia > > You want good service, you 'grease palms'; it's an ancient idea and > it works. Someone ties up your boat, you slip him a ten and your > boat is free and ready to go when you set foot back on the dock. Is > it a bribe? Yup. Is it worth it? Sure is. Toss a bartender a > decent tip right at the first round and you'll be like family. The > first time's an investment; return visits are gravy. > > Jack Lucre I bring brownies. :-) Bribe? How coarse of you, Jack. I consider it merely a goodwill gesture. I want them to remember kindly the nice old woman who brings them treats. I want them to take really good care of her CR-V so it doesn't catch on fire after an oil change. I want them to pay particular attention to the Thanksgiving Dinner spots on her table linen. Cash is so crude. So crude. You surprise me. When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. -- -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 10-09-04; Sam I Am!. "Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power." -Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn. |
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sf wrote:
> We're a one car family too (which is fine because our 1926 > house has a one car garage). I live 15 minutes from work by > car, but my husband actually volunteered to be my chauffer > because, like your husband, he works from home. He figured > that the inconvenience of driving me was worth the $$$ > savings on depreciation (we lease new cars), insurance, gas > and all the parking tickets I'd accrue on a monthly basis. Yesterday morning we were a one-car couple. By the afternoon, we were rapidly on our way to becoming a no-car couple. That wasn't going to work out here in suburbia so we bought a new used car quickly. This doesn't suit either of our temperaments. We're both grumpy. We've never leased a new car, but we've seen on the carfax sheets that a car had been leased and wonder if that tells us anything about its likely condition. --Lia |
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"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message ... > > I bring brownies. :-) Bribe? How coarse of you, Jack. I consider it > merely a goodwill gesture. I want them to remember kindly the nice old > woman who brings them treats. I want them to take really good care of > her CR-V so it doesn't catch on fire after an oil change. I want them > to pay particular attention to the Thanksgiving Dinner spots on her > table linen. Cash is so crude. So crude. You surprise me. > Of course I'm coarse! If my brownies were as good as yours, I'd leave the wallet at home. Let's back up a step here. I've often thought a bribe was a goodwill gesture. It's certainly not a threatening one. I can be bribed; I'm just not cheap, that's all. > When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. Oh, that's just sooooo over the top, babe. Jack Wallet |
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"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message ... > > I bring brownies. :-) Bribe? How coarse of you, Jack. I consider it > merely a goodwill gesture. I want them to remember kindly the nice old > woman who brings them treats. I want them to take really good care of > her CR-V so it doesn't catch on fire after an oil change. I want them > to pay particular attention to the Thanksgiving Dinner spots on her > table linen. Cash is so crude. So crude. You surprise me. > Of course I'm coarse! If my brownies were as good as yours, I'd leave the wallet at home. Let's back up a step here. I've often thought a bribe was a goodwill gesture. It's certainly not a threatening one. I can be bribed; I'm just not cheap, that's all. > When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. Oh, that's just sooooo over the top, babe. Jack Wallet |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 04:19:51 GMT, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:41:46 -0700, The Ranger > wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:07:25 GMT, sf > wrote: > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > wrote: > > > > They chose to work there. > > > > > > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. > > > > > Everybody has choices... > > > > Their choice is between a rock and a hard place. > > Your choice was to turn a blind eye to the truth of the > situation. None are so blind as those who will not see. You don't know me. I've [repeatedly] witnessed the go-get'em spirit of people that refuse to give in to apathy of being "stuck in a job" and/or self-loathing from a supreme lack of confidence. Not one of those people, all socio-economically challenged, felt "stuck" in some job or lacking in the number of choices available to them in a given week while they took their run at the brass ring. As I said, "Everybody has choices..." The Ranger |
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. >> >>Oh, that's just sooooo over the top, babe. > > > Nah, that's just getting warmed up. :-) > > >>Jack Wallet Nowadays tattoos are so... ordinary. If ya wanna really wow 'em, you need to show 'em the piercings. LOL Goomba |
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. >> >>Oh, that's just sooooo over the top, babe. > > > Nah, that's just getting warmed up. :-) > > >>Jack Wallet Nowadays tattoos are so... ordinary. If ya wanna really wow 'em, you need to show 'em the piercings. LOL Goomba |
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> Goomba38 writes:
> >Melba's Jammin' wrote: > >>>>When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. >>> >>>Oh, that's just sooooo over the top, babe. >> >> >> Nah, that's just getting warmed up. :-) >> >> >>>Jack Wallet > >Nowadays tattoos are so... ordinary. If ya wanna >really wow 'em, you need to show 'em the piercings. LOL Yeah, Barb is very proud to show her ruby encrusted belly button beet. hehe ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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> Goomba38 writes:
> >Melba's Jammin' wrote: > >>>>When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. >>> >>>Oh, that's just sooooo over the top, babe. >> >> >> Nah, that's just getting warmed up. :-) >> >> >>>Jack Wallet > >Nowadays tattoos are so... ordinary. If ya wanna >really wow 'em, you need to show 'em the piercings. LOL Yeah, Barb is very proud to show her ruby encrusted belly button beet. hehe ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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In article >, Goomba38
> wrote: > Melba's Jammin' wrote: > > >>>When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. > Nowadays tattoos are so... ordinary. Um-m-m, have you seen mine, Goomba? I've only run into *one* other person who has one like mine. The joke was on me. We shared a good laugh. > If ya wanna really wow 'em, you need to show 'em the piercings. LOL > Goomba -- -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 10-09-04; Sam I Am!. "Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power." -Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn. |
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In article >, Goomba38
> wrote: > Melba's Jammin' wrote: > > >>>When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. > Nowadays tattoos are so... ordinary. Um-m-m, have you seen mine, Goomba? I've only run into *one* other person who has one like mine. The joke was on me. We shared a good laugh. > If ya wanna really wow 'em, you need to show 'em the piercings. LOL > Goomba -- -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 10-09-04; Sam I Am!. "Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power." -Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn. |
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In article >, Goomba38
> wrote: > Melba's Jammin' wrote: > > >>>When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. > Nowadays tattoos are so... ordinary. Um-m-m, have you seen mine, Goomba? I've only run into *one* other person who has one like mine. The joke was on me. We shared a good laugh. > If ya wanna really wow 'em, you need to show 'em the piercings. LOL > Goomba -- -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 10-09-04; Sam I Am!. "Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power." -Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn. |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:20:54 -0700, The Ranger
> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 04:19:51 GMT, sf > wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:41:46 -0700, The Ranger > wrote: > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:07:25 GMT, sf > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > wrote: > > > > > They chose to work there. > > > > > > > > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. > > > > > > > Everybody has choices... > > > > > > Their choice is between a rock and a hard place. > > > > Your choice was to turn a blind eye to the truth of the > > situation. None are so blind as those who will not see. > > You don't know me. > > I've [repeatedly] witnessed the go-get'em spirit of people that > refuse to give in to apathy of being "stuck in a job" and/or > self-loathing from a supreme lack of confidence. That is not the type of situation we were talking about. > Not one of those > people, all socio-economically challenged, felt "stuck" in some job > or lacking in the number of choices available to them in a given > week while they took their run at the brass ring. > > As I said, "Everybody has choices..." > Suuuuure, Ranger, you're right - I'm wrong. Non English speakers and people with severe mental or physical disabilities can succeed by sheer grit and determination. Ignore the fact that hard working people often have more than one (undesirable) job, but aren't getting ahead and will never be ahead. Fortunately, some of them have children who are a success in anyone's book and should be able to take care of them in their old age - but others have children who are just like any other work-a-day folks who "man" the service oriented businesses near you. If NO ONE worked at restaurants (from bus boy to chef), at gas stations (from gas jockey to mechanic) or department stores (from clerk to buyer)... if no one answered the phone when you called your ISP, cable, gas or electric company.... if no one picked up your TRASH or cleaned your office... if no one could paint your house, fix your windows, replace your garage door, repair your roof or unclog your drain... if no one filled in pot holes on your street or repaired telephone/electric wires... if no one wanted to be a night watchman, fight wild fires or empty your bed pan you when you are incapacitated - what would your life be like? The people YOU choose to denigrate are the very people who make your life easier! You need an attitude an adjustment. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:20:54 -0700, The Ranger
> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 04:19:51 GMT, sf > wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:41:46 -0700, The Ranger > wrote: > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:07:25 GMT, sf > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:13:20 GMT, baker > wrote: > > > > > They chose to work there. > > > > > > > > > Said like a holier than thou person with job choice. > > > > > > > Everybody has choices... > > > > > > Their choice is between a rock and a hard place. > > > > Your choice was to turn a blind eye to the truth of the > > situation. None are so blind as those who will not see. > > You don't know me. > > I've [repeatedly] witnessed the go-get'em spirit of people that > refuse to give in to apathy of being "stuck in a job" and/or > self-loathing from a supreme lack of confidence. That is not the type of situation we were talking about. > Not one of those > people, all socio-economically challenged, felt "stuck" in some job > or lacking in the number of choices available to them in a given > week while they took their run at the brass ring. > > As I said, "Everybody has choices..." > Suuuuure, Ranger, you're right - I'm wrong. Non English speakers and people with severe mental or physical disabilities can succeed by sheer grit and determination. Ignore the fact that hard working people often have more than one (undesirable) job, but aren't getting ahead and will never be ahead. Fortunately, some of them have children who are a success in anyone's book and should be able to take care of them in their old age - but others have children who are just like any other work-a-day folks who "man" the service oriented businesses near you. If NO ONE worked at restaurants (from bus boy to chef), at gas stations (from gas jockey to mechanic) or department stores (from clerk to buyer)... if no one answered the phone when you called your ISP, cable, gas or electric company.... if no one picked up your TRASH or cleaned your office... if no one could paint your house, fix your windows, replace your garage door, repair your roof or unclog your drain... if no one filled in pot holes on your street or repaired telephone/electric wires... if no one wanted to be a night watchman, fight wild fires or empty your bed pan you when you are incapacitated - what would your life be like? The people YOU choose to denigrate are the very people who make your life easier! You need an attitude an adjustment. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:37:59 -0400, maxine in ri
> wrote: > Wages at the time weree 25% above minimum wage. WOW! I really LIKED (no, loved) Dunkin Donuts in those days (YUM!), now I know I should have liked them for more than just their doughnuts. I'm soooo shallow. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:37:59 -0400, maxine in ri
> wrote: > Wages at the time weree 25% above minimum wage. WOW! I really LIKED (no, loved) Dunkin Donuts in those days (YUM!), now I know I should have liked them for more than just their doughnuts. I'm soooo shallow. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:41:23 GMT, Julia Altshuler
> wrote: > We've > never leased a new car, but we've seen on the carfax sheets that a car > had been leased and wonder if that tells us anything about its likely > condition. It's probably more good than bad (cross your fingers and hope for the best). As an owner, I have to take care of my leased car because I am penalized for mile overage and every ding, dent or mechanical problem that has to be repaired when I turn it in. I have absolutely NO idea how or where you bought your car, but I would NEVER buy a used one because you just can't tell its history. We had an absolutely wonderful BMW that we leased brand new and purchased when the lease expired. Two years later, we couldn't get a computer generated reading on the engine. It turned out that we had a short in the electrical system. We KNEW it would cost us $6000 at the time (this is 7 years ago) JUST to find out where the problem was and then we had to FIX it. So that's why we turned it in. The car was 7 years old, but my husband kept it immaculate inside and out (the leather was in perfect condition) so it looked brand new. When he took it to a dealer (not BMW) to lease a new car, they gave us a $10,000 trade value for it w/o even turning over the engine! We think they didn't sell it on their lot, but sold it at auction as part of a group of cars instead. .... and that's why I'd never buy a used car. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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Goomba38 > wrote in message >...
> Melba's Jammin' wrote: > > >>>When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. > >> > >>Oh, that's just sooooo over the top, babe. > > > > > > Nah, that's just getting warmed up. :-) > > > > > >>Jack Wallet > > Nowadays tattoos are so... ordinary. If ya wanna > really wow 'em, you need to show 'em the > piercings. LOL > Goomba Nope. Brandings. -L. |
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Goomba38 > wrote in message >...
> Melba's Jammin' wrote: > > >>>When I'm just out having fun, I just show them my tattoos. > >> > >>Oh, that's just sooooo over the top, babe. > > > > > > Nah, that's just getting warmed up. :-) > > > > > >>Jack Wallet > > Nowadays tattoos are so... ordinary. If ya wanna > really wow 'em, you need to show 'em the > piercings. LOL > Goomba Nope. Brandings. -L. |
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sf wrote on 10/16/2004:
<snip> >THAT is sooo NOT true! I've watched pours for overs and >ups... they are the same (if the bartender is honest). Not only that, but if you assume - strictly hypothetically - that the waiter was right, then that means that they had been screwing the "over" customers for years. If you wanted an over (before the up charge was initiated), you might as well order a glass with ice and an up. Of course, that might have led to the "extra glass with ice" charge. BY the way, this is a pretty good restaurant, a McCormick & Schmick's operation. I still go there maybe twice a month for lunch and an occasional dinner. AND, the up charge long since went away. |
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sf wrote on 10/16/2004:
<snip> >THAT is sooo NOT true! I've watched pours for overs and >ups... they are the same (if the bartender is honest). Not only that, but if you assume - strictly hypothetically - that the waiter was right, then that means that they had been screwing the "over" customers for years. If you wanted an over (before the up charge was initiated), you might as well order a glass with ice and an up. Of course, that might have led to the "extra glass with ice" charge. BY the way, this is a pretty good restaurant, a McCormick & Schmick's operation. I still go there maybe twice a month for lunch and an occasional dinner. AND, the up charge long since went away. |
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Kevintsheehy wrote:
> > BY the way, this is a pretty good restaurant, a McCormick & > Schmick's operation. I still go there maybe twice a month for > lunch and an occasional dinner. AND, the up charge long since > went away. McCormick & Schmick! I'm amazed. Were you able to figure out if the up charge was just something the server or bartender invented in an effort to steal or if the charge was something management tried for a while, then abandoned? --Lia |
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