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>> Melba's Jammin' wrote: >> >> > Trying to screw you without a kiss. Good for you, Lia. My car repair >> > place wanted to charge me for some hazardous waste or material disposal >> > charge for something once. Maybe $4. I questioned it because whatever >> > they did didn't require disposal of anything and I didn't figure I >> > should be charged for it. They didn't charge me. That is just a way of extracting a few more bucks from you. I was charged $1.70 for it and nothing was removed from the car. Turns out, the billing software is programmed to add a certain percentage on every bill. Getting rid of hazardous waste is just part of the cost of doing business and should be included in the shop rate or parts markup. I wrote a letter to the dealer and complained. They sent me a coupon for a free oil change. Big deal. Chances are they will also lose selling me my next car because they ****ed me off. |
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> "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
> >>> Melba's Jammin' wrote: >>> >>> > Trying to screw you without a kiss. Good for you, Lia. My car repair >>> > place wanted to charge me for some hazardous waste or material disposal >>> > charge for something once. Maybe $4. I questioned it because whatever >>> > they did didn't require disposal of anything and I didn't figure I >>> > should be charged for it. They didn't charge me. > >That is just a way of extracting a few more bucks from you. I was charged >$1.70 for it and nothing was removed from the car. Turns out, the billing >software is programmed to add a certain percentage on every bill. Getting >rid of hazardous waste is just part of the cost of doing business and >should be included in the shop rate or parts markup. > >I wrote a letter to the dealer and complained. They sent me a coupon for a >free oil change. Big deal. Chances are they will also lose selling me my >next car because they ****ed me off. I've never yet experienced a hazardous waste fee for lubication fluids, they're not a hazzard unless improperly disposed of. Lubricating fluids don't go "bad" they are collected and reclaimed. The service station actually makes money selling those 55gal drums of used oil to the reclaiming facility... and reclaimed oil is actually a higher grade than new oil, it's been processed *twice*... it's scoffed up by trucking companies for their big EXPENSIVE diesels, they know what the label "Reclaimed" means (much cheaper and mo'better), but you can hardly give it away to the typical motorist... it's the oil you used to see at gas stations, in quart glass bottles with the metal spout attached. Used to be called Pennsylvania Oil (nicknamed Pennsy Crude, crude because of it's packaging), 'cause there's where the huge reclaiming facilities were located. Then one day they came out with Quaker State (ordinary *not* reclaimed oil), the rest is history. But tires and batterys are hazardous waste, and a few dollars is actually added into the price of the replacements... here in NY it's $4 per tire and $5 per battery... you pay even if you don't bring in the old battery or tire, done that way so that folks will bring them in, and most do. You get nothing from a repair/service station for for bringing in tires, batterys, or oil, and in fact they can refuse to accept these items when you don't purchase new, but most will as a goodwill gesture. Otherwise, for the do-it-yourselfers communities by Federal Law must maintain a recycling center for lubricants, batterys, and all sorts of household chemicals, paints, solvants, insecticides, herbicides, plastics, etc. There are stiff fines, and even imprisonment, for those caught dumping these items in the woods... don't do it, I'll turn your miserable ass in with an anonymous phone call to the EPA... and it's impossible to deny/defend when it's found on your property. In fact it's illegal to dump used cat litter in the woods, not even your own woods, don't do it. Even agricultrial property needs to have an approved animal waste facility. In most rural areas one needs to hire a private sanitation service to haul of their household trash, taxes don't cover that and it's not manditory... a lot still burn their garbage (I hate that horrid hillybilly habit), and supposedly bring the hazzardous and non-burnable stuff to the town dump, yeah, right. Costs me all of a measly $5/wk for trash pick up... why anyone would desire to pollute their own land just to save a few bucks is beyond my comprehension... but lots do, I see it all over, some morons are so proud of their personal garbage dump that they even perceive it as a real estate enhancement, they actually show it off to guests on the grand tour same as they would their indoor plumbing , geeze! ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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I never saw a tip jar at a DD drivethru nor at the counter. I don't
tip if I'm having coffee passed thru a window, or picking up a called-in food order. I will tip tho at optional buffets where the wait person delivers water, learns if you want the buffet or food from the menu, and has to present the check. Otherwise, he or she could in theory have an entire morning of b'fast buffet takers and get nada. They have to make a living too. bill payt-- are you angered if you have to stand in line at a cashier's position or do you think it should be the waiter's duty to handle the payment? |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:55:15 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> > Julia Altshuler wrote: > >> When not buying a used car the other day at a dealership, Jim and I had >> negotiated the price, discussed what repairs would be done to the car, >> gone over the car facts printout, and sat down to sign the contract. At >> that point, we learned that we were expected to pay $118 extra to cover >> the dealership's salesman's work in doing the paperwork in turning over >> the title. It sure sounded like a mandatory tip to the cashier for >> ringing up the sale, bagging the merchandise and handing me a receipt. >> That should be part of the price of the product! I realize that's the >> way things are done and everyone pays it. I balked. We're still in the >> market for a used car. > > My neighbour's brother in law is a car salesman and one night after a few > drinks admitted that the "administration fee" is just another way of soaking > more money out of the customer. Around here they generally charge $75 > "administration fee" to look after the transaction. I am in the market for > a new car and plan not to get sucked into that. All businesses have > paperwork they have to complete for a sale and I do not plan to pay extra > for that, and I will go to the licence bureau myself to pay the $10 fee for > transferring my plate to the new car. I don't mind feeding somebody's kids for a day but I'll be dammed if my broke ass is gonna buy some punk a weekend in Reno! Nowadays it seems like everthing is full of scams and tricks designed to pick your pocket. Better to do without! Stuff wears out etc. but cash is always your friend. |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:55:15 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> > Julia Altshuler wrote: > >> When not buying a used car the other day at a dealership, Jim and I had >> negotiated the price, discussed what repairs would be done to the car, >> gone over the car facts printout, and sat down to sign the contract. At >> that point, we learned that we were expected to pay $118 extra to cover >> the dealership's salesman's work in doing the paperwork in turning over >> the title. It sure sounded like a mandatory tip to the cashier for >> ringing up the sale, bagging the merchandise and handing me a receipt. >> That should be part of the price of the product! I realize that's the >> way things are done and everyone pays it. I balked. We're still in the >> market for a used car. > > My neighbour's brother in law is a car salesman and one night after a few > drinks admitted that the "administration fee" is just another way of soaking > more money out of the customer. Around here they generally charge $75 > "administration fee" to look after the transaction. I am in the market for > a new car and plan not to get sucked into that. All businesses have > paperwork they have to complete for a sale and I do not plan to pay extra > for that, and I will go to the licence bureau myself to pay the $10 fee for > transferring my plate to the new car. I don't mind feeding somebody's kids for a day but I'll be dammed if my broke ass is gonna buy some punk a weekend in Reno! Nowadays it seems like everthing is full of scams and tricks designed to pick your pocket. Better to do without! Stuff wears out etc. but cash is always your friend. |
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>gwehrenb screams:
> > bill payt-- are you angered if you have to stand in line at a >cashier's position or do you think it should be the waiter's duty to >handle the payment? Angered? What the hell about, waiting? Why does it matter? Either way you still need to wait... usually much longer for the server to pick up your payment and deliver your change than you would for a couple of folks ahead of you at a cashier... folks in a hurry are who typically frequent the eaterys where there's a cashier (a baby step above fast food), 'cause servers handling cash slows things down considerably. Typically normal brained folks know in advance, when first entering the establishment, that payment is made to the cashier directly, so there is no logic for posing your query... perhaps you're just an ordinarily angry individual, spoiled rotten, thinks somehow you're the center of the universe, deserving of extrordinary special consideration, NOT! Actually you're just dumb, for being incapable of reading the sign at the cashier's counter ("PAY HERE"). ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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> I've never yet experienced a hazardous waste fee for lubication fluids, > they're > not a hazzard unless improperly disposed of. Isn't it a federal law that says that gas/repair stations (that provide services other than JUST gas, HAVE to take lubricating fluids for recycle? |
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> I've never yet experienced a hazardous waste fee for lubication fluids, > they're > not a hazzard unless improperly disposed of. Isn't it a federal law that says that gas/repair stations (that provide services other than JUST gas, HAVE to take lubricating fluids for recycle? |
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"PENMART01" > wrote in message > I've never yet experienced a hazardous waste fee for lubication fluids, > they're > not a hazzard unless improperly disposed of. That varies by state. I work in MA and any waste oil is considered hazardous material. We have 15 machines and each one has a hydrualic system. Each tank hold 55 gallons of oil. I can have 15 or 500 machines, and that is not a problem. As soon as I empty one of the systems into a drum, it is now hazardous material and must be marked, put in a marked location and we can only have 3 drums at any time. The state DEP does inspections and aduits my disposal records. I pay 20˘ a gallon to get rid of it. I live in CT. Uses motor oil must be recycled and the town trash contractors will take it. Now, the typicla auto takes 4 or 5 quarts for an oil change. So our enlightened elected officials have a maximum of 2 quarts a week for disposal. The oil is burned in a heater at the town garage. > Lubricating fluids don't go "bad" > they are collected and reclaimed. The service station actually makes > money > selling those 55gal drums of used oil to the reclaiming facility... They used to. The states that I'm familiar with have changed all that and we pay to have it taken away. I have on occasion, recently seen re-processed oil for sale. I used it for years in some of my cars. > all of a measly $5/wk for trash pick up... why anyone would desire to > pollute > their own land just to save a few bucks is beyond my comprehension... but > lots > do, I see it all over, some morons are so proud of their personal garbage > dump > that they even perceive it as a real estate enhancement, they actually > show it > off to guests on the grand tour same as they would their indoor plumbing , > geeze! Some city folk will not believe you but it is true. I've seen it. I can name names and locations. Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome |
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> "Kswck"
>===== >> I've never yet experienced a hazardous waste fee for lubication fluids, >> they're >> not a hazzard unless improperly disposed of. >===== >Isn't it a federal law that says that gas/repair stations (that provide >services other than JUST gas, HAVE to take lubricating fluids for recycle? You obviously have a serious problem with reading comprehension... have someone with a normal IQ read the entire post to you. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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> "Kswck"
>===== >> I've never yet experienced a hazardous waste fee for lubication fluids, >> they're >> not a hazzard unless improperly disposed of. >===== >Isn't it a federal law that says that gas/repair stations (that provide >services other than JUST gas, HAVE to take lubricating fluids for recycle? You obviously have a serious problem with reading comprehension... have someone with a normal IQ read the entire post to you. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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has gotten out of control. I've always seen it as a sort of reward or a
thank you for good service; now it's expected, and not just in food service places - in Hawaii you sometimes see tip cups even on the counter of souvenir shops! I asked a friend who worked at one of them if he thought that was ethical, and he shrugged and said, "Well, most people don't put anything in, but since some do...why not? If the cup weren't there I wouldn't get anything." In NYC, lists are circulated to tenants with a "suggested minimum tip" for the entire building staff for the holidays, along with their names. (Just in case you've never see the guy who takes out the garbage when the super is away or something, I guess.) Uh....hello? Considering what the rents there are, I would assume that the staff is well paid; if not, they should take it up with the management. If someone goes out of his way for me, I'll tip him then and there if I can afford to; my current super is delighted when I appear at his door with a plate of cookies - and he'd do anything for me, including going shopping for me if I'm sick. One of the things I remember most vividly from my first ever date was when it came time to pay the bill. I went to a very nice Russian restaurant in Greenwich Village with a young man visiting from England; I was 16, and he was perhaps 18. A waiter brought a tray with the change, and when the young man took some of the bills back, the waiter exclaimed indignantly, "You call THAT a tip?" I was mortified for my date...it was bad enough, but this young man didn't understand our money just yet and wasn't being cheap - just ignorant. Fast forward - Upper West Side, NYC, about 15 years later. I was dating a guy who was nice...but even though he was cheap, he'd always leave a standard 15% tip. I know he didn't ever leave less - he'd use a calculator to computer 15% to the penny! Well, one day we were leaving a restaurant, passed the bar and were about to go out the door, when the waitress SHOUTED to him across the restaurant - "Sir, was something wrong with your meal that you left such a small tip?" I don't know if I'm remembering that he did, or just wishing that he did - but I seem to recall his saying, "Oh, I made a mistake" - and taking the entire amount back. (PS - I finally broke him of his calculator habit and got him to learn to just double the tax and round it out!) Point is...people like this deserve NOTHING (and these two jerks especially, for embarassing someone in front of a date), yet think the world owes them simply because they exist! I wish I could find the little cards I once had that read, "The tip would have been bigger if the service had been better." OTOH, when a server goes out of his or her way to make a meal pleasant, I don't mind being as generous as I can. What really frosts me is, you go out to dinner. The waiter brings the check, and say it's $22.50. You give him a $50 bill, and he asks, "Do you want change?" You can guarantee - whatever I WAS going to leave him just got cut to a single dollar! TIpping is an archaic practice that IMO should be done away with, except perhaps in top quality restaurants where the wait staff can make or break a special evening - it no longer serves the purpose it was instituted for - To Insure Prompt Service. Just my thoughts.... |
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"I agree with so much of your post, let me zero in on the one place we
differ. I almost always leave exact change including the tip so that the server needn't bring me anything back. I'm sure many others do the same. With the answer so often being "we're all set," I couldn't blame the server for asking that question to everyone without looking at the check or the dollar amount to see if the question makes sense. So I don't punish the server for asking. I just say "yes, I do need change" and tip normally. --Lia" Sorry...I should have been more clear... I mean I've been asked that AFTER the waiter looks at the amount I hand him with the check! I too try to leave the exact amount...but it doesn't always work out that way. |
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Julia Altshuler
> wrote: > >> What really frosts me is, you go out to dinner. The waiter brings the >> check, and say it's $22.50. You give him a $50 bill, and he asks, "Do >> you want change?" You can guarantee - whatever I WAS going to leave >> him just got cut to a single dollar! > > >I agree with so much of your post, let me zero in on the one place we >differ. I almost always leave exact change including the tip so that >the server needn't bring me anything back. I'm sure many others do the >same. With the answer so often being "we're all set," I couldn't blame >the server for asking that question to everyone without looking at the >check or the dollar amount to see if the question makes sense. So I >don't punish the server for asking. I just say "yes, I do need change" >and tip normally. I think it's extremely rude for the server to ever ask if the customer wants change, regardless of the math... what a presumptuous, patronizing concept... I totally blame management for not properly training the hired help to just bring the change, *quietly*, and leave the tipping decision entirely to the patron. And I agree that the server has no idea of the math, they don't even look, if they actually possessed the ability to make change in their head they wouldn't be servers. I always tip the server separately from the bill, cash in their hand. And I don't necessarilly base the amount of the tip on the cost of the meal... I think that's a stupid concept... no more is reqired of a server to bring an $8 burger or a $23 porterhouse. In fact I may tip more for the burger... I weigh a lot of variables but attitude carrys the most weight in making my decision. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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Wayne Boatwright > wrote
> > Unless I'm in an upscale restaurant where I might want to linger and > relax, I'd much prefer paying the bill at the counter or cashier. I'd > rather wait in line (if there is one), than wait for the server to have > the check processed and bring the change. I'm with you on that, but it's nice but all to rare to be offered the option when the bill is presented. |
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Wayne Boatwright > wrote
> > Unless I'm in an upscale restaurant where I might want to linger and > relax, I'd much prefer paying the bill at the counter or cashier. I'd > rather wait in line (if there is one), than wait for the server to have > the check processed and bring the change. I'm with you on that, but it's nice but all to rare to be offered the option when the bill is presented. |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:54:34 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote: > >"The Ranger" > wrote in message .. . >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:53:19 GMT, "Jack Schidt®" >> > wrote: >>> My remark wasn't in support of tipping a counterperson >>> but rather a response to the way $7 an hour was >>> presented as a kingly sum of money. >> >> But it _is_ a nice wage, commensurate with the level of work >> required and (usually) the level of education said grunt has >> attained. Graveyard and <Parentitis Flare-up on the other early-am >> shift title> get paid slightly more because of the hours needed but >> US$7.00 for simple counter help is quite high. Especially with >> today's cash registers; scan the item (or punch a specific key), >> punch in the amount tendered, and give back the correct change >> stated on the display. How much effort is required from that? >> Certainly not a BS in EE... You have to be able to breath or smile, >> usually not both simultaneously; that's a bonus but you don't pay >> extra for that. >> >> The Ranger > >I agree, working a counter ain't rocket science and it depends on what kinda >counter is being worked. A busy Dunkin Donuts or a gift shop? > >$7 an hour is ok for a kid who lives with his parents and can walk to work. >Or it's probably ok for someone living in the sun belt or in the flyover >states. Around here, gas is 2 bucks a gallon and a one bedroom apt is at >least $800 a month. Food prices are climbing, too. So that 7 an hour, >full-time is $1120 or probably closer to a thousand bucks after deductions. >Take away the 800 for rent and you've got 200 bucks, or 50 a week to live >on. Good argument to stay in school, no? > >If pay were truly commensurate with the level of work performed, half this >country would be making 7 bucks an hour. [your emoticon here] Of course, >that excludes me because my job is truly valuable [your emoticon here]. > >Jack Wage > > frankly, it puzzles me when people worry that others are making Too Much Money. and the 'others' usually aren't making godawful piles. your pal, blake |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:54:34 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote: > >"The Ranger" > wrote in message .. . >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:53:19 GMT, "Jack Schidt®" >> > wrote: >>> My remark wasn't in support of tipping a counterperson >>> but rather a response to the way $7 an hour was >>> presented as a kingly sum of money. >> >> But it _is_ a nice wage, commensurate with the level of work >> required and (usually) the level of education said grunt has >> attained. Graveyard and <Parentitis Flare-up on the other early-am >> shift title> get paid slightly more because of the hours needed but >> US$7.00 for simple counter help is quite high. Especially with >> today's cash registers; scan the item (or punch a specific key), >> punch in the amount tendered, and give back the correct change >> stated on the display. How much effort is required from that? >> Certainly not a BS in EE... You have to be able to breath or smile, >> usually not both simultaneously; that's a bonus but you don't pay >> extra for that. >> >> The Ranger > >I agree, working a counter ain't rocket science and it depends on what kinda >counter is being worked. A busy Dunkin Donuts or a gift shop? > >$7 an hour is ok for a kid who lives with his parents and can walk to work. >Or it's probably ok for someone living in the sun belt or in the flyover >states. Around here, gas is 2 bucks a gallon and a one bedroom apt is at >least $800 a month. Food prices are climbing, too. So that 7 an hour, >full-time is $1120 or probably closer to a thousand bucks after deductions. >Take away the 800 for rent and you've got 200 bucks, or 50 a week to live >on. Good argument to stay in school, no? > >If pay were truly commensurate with the level of work performed, half this >country would be making 7 bucks an hour. [your emoticon here] Of course, >that excludes me because my job is truly valuable [your emoticon here]. > >Jack Wage > > frankly, it puzzles me when people worry that others are making Too Much Money. and the 'others' usually aren't making godawful piles. your pal, blake |
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