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Why aren't the French fat like us?

January 28, 2004

BY BEVERLY LEVITT


If ever there were a reason to scowl at the French, let it begin with
their healthy waistlines. These are the people whose cuisine includes
luscious Brie cheese, buttery croissants and calorie-rich foie gras.
The French diet is 35 percent to 45 percent higher in fat than that of
your average American.

Americans neurotically try to fool Mother Nature -- and their
cardiologists -- by gorging on faux-fat chocolate mousse and fat-free
creme brulee (hold the "creme"!). We're the ones pouring nonfat
half-and-half (talk about an oxymoron) into our decaf cappuccinos.

The French, on the other hand, seem to have followed their group
palate's fancy and enjoyed eating what they like for generations.

Given the differences, you'd think we would be the ones sitting back
smiling smugly about our well-being.

Instead, those of us in the United States are losing the battle of the
bulge. The United States has an obesity rate 30 percent higher than
France's. Add to that the fact that we have three times more heart
attacks than the French. They also have fewer strokes.

What?!

Yes, the French are not only thinner than we are, while eating food
that would send the American diet police into apoplectic fits, their
lifespan is statistically longer. They live longer, even with all that
cigarette smoke curling past every diner's nose in cafes throughout
France.

And thus we have the French Paradox, which a one-time no-fat believer,
Will Clower, Ph.D., looks at from firsthand experience in The Fat
Fallacy, (Three Rivers Press, $12.95)

Clower and his wife, Dottie, are neuroscientists. They were invited to
Lyon, France, to do research at the Institute of Cognitive Sciences.
They spent two years there with their children and Clower's mother,
Retha.

In the United States the couple had religiously observed a strict
non-fat diet. They were bored with their food and were overweight.
Retha Clower was frantically fighting her surge from a Size 12 to an
unwelcome Size 14 when they left the United States. The Clower
children, Ben, 10, and Grace, 4, were, well, just typical
eat-like-their-parents kids, meaning they, too, were bored with the
food on their plates.

As it turned out, the Clowers not only changed continents. Their time
in France forced the entire family to rethink everything they believed
to be true about good diet and health.

After a few months they fell into the French way of eating -- French
bread with butter, raw-milk cheese -- and surprising things happened.
Clower lost 20 pounds; his wife shed 15. The children began to love
their food, Grandma Retha abandoned the unsuccessful diet she'd
followed at home and ate like the French -- and dropped to a Size Six.

During his two years in Lyon, Clower threw his no-fat menus out the
window and developed an entirely new outlook on food and eating.

"This is not to say that the French make no distinctions about the ill
effects of fat," Clower said during a recent conversation. "All fats
aren't created equal; some are definitely better for you than others
and the fat of some animal meats will kill you," he warns. "If you
love red meat, limit it to once a month. Learn to lean on chicken and
fish."

OK, that's old news.

What is fascinating is that the French way of eating is as much
cultural as scientific. Their eating habits have been nurtured over
the centuries, passed down from mother to daughter, from father to
son, from generation to generation.

"They're happy to eat that way," said Clower. "It's their comfort
food."

When Clower first arrived in France he had dinner with Regine
Fournier, a wonderful example of a traditional French woman, Clower
said with a smile. "She's like a perfect baguette, crusty on the
outside, warm on the inside."

She was only too happy to malign the American obsessive fear of fats.

Fournier described the French good fat-bad fat theory. Duck (and other
poultry) are fine. Milk fat, olive oil and nuts are beneficial. But
stay away from pig, sheep and cow, she warned, wagging her finger.

"I asked how she knew this," Clower said. "She flashed a grin of
superiority and chastised, 'Your country is too young to have a
memory.' "

She, on the other hand, knew about healthy fats because her mother had
told her who had heard it from her grandmother who had been told by
her mother and so on and so on.

"When I asked other French friends, 'How do you know what to eat?'
they were flabbergasted, as if they didn't understand the question,"
said Clower.

Their practice of eating good fats seems to be working.

The World Health Organization has shown that the French are three
times less likely to die of ischemic heart disease than we are. The
Lyon Diet Heart Study proved the same statistics -- three times fewer
heart attacks for people on the Mediterranean diet as opposed to the
diet advocated by the American Heart Association.

In the diet-obsessed United States we latch onto to newspaper
headlines -- Butter Will Kill You, Pasta Puts on Pounds -- and are
quick to jump on bandwagons to join the latest fad, whether it be no
fat, low-fat, high carbs or low carbs.

Whatever the diet, we quickly embrace processed products. Until one
day somebody read the ingredients on the package. Chemicals.
Additives. And the real killer -- partially hydrogenated vegetable
oil.

Back to the butter!

When the medical community prescribed pasta for dieters , we had a
traffic jam in the grocery aisle formerly known as the noodle section
crammed those shiny packages into our carts. Later, scientists
announced that people on high-carb diet -- replete with pasta -- were
gaining weight, so we quickly dropped that one.

"Everything with us is black and white," Clower says. "The French and
Italians add 'good fats' such as olive oil or cheese to their pasta --
which lowers the glycemic index of the dish -- and they walk around
satisfied and smiling all day. We don't have to deprive ourselves of
something that delicious."

But they don't have it three times a day, he hastens to add. Or even
every day. The French, as we have learned from Julia Child, if we were
listening, practice moderation.

We embrace fast-food establishments and expect to see them on every
corner. The French have ab entirely different view. They were up in
arms when McDonald's Golden Arches popping up on Champs-Elysees and
Rue de Rivoli. They viewed fast food as an encroachment of American
culinary values onto their lifestyles.

The French also take a dim view of processed foods and artificial
flavorings. After experiencing the French way of life with meals,
Clower came to agree with them.

"If it's never been alive and it doesn't come up in your
spell-checker, it ain't food," Clower jokes. "Our body has a
biological relationship with things that grow on this planet. If you
eat something it's never seen and doesn't know how to process, you
will introduce health problems."

Our digestive systems don't do well with items invented in chemistry
labs for the sole purpose of imitating real food. One of the problems
is that the pretenders often taste just as good as the real thing. But
don't be fooled.

Clower points to a recent article in the Atlantic Monthly, "Why
McDonald's Fries Taste So Good" by Eric Schlosser, the author of Fast
Food Nation. The investigative journalist reveals that a typical
strawberry flavoring found in a Burger King milk shake has 48
chemicals.

One can just imagine what the stomach said to the small intestine when
it encountered all those un-pronounceable molecular compositions.

In their zeal to appeal to diet-obsessed American consumers, our
chemists invented and food manufacturers marketed some 15,000 low-fat,
no-fat, counterfeit sweets to a very appreciative public, the dieters
who had forgotten what a melt-in-your-mouth brownie or moist sour
cream coffee cake tasted like.

The danger of these sweet impostors to folks who are being lured into
indulging their sweet tooth and not suffering the consequences is that
instead of relishing a single slice of low-fat or no-fat cake they'll
invariably devour the whole thing, rationalizing, It's not fattening
-- what's the problem?

Forget that it's filled with gobs of the worst kind of fats and a
plethora of chemicals already proven to be carcinogenic. Or that
there's so many sucrose and dextrose stimulants in these products,
your blood sugar shoots way up, then crashes down, causing the Sugar
Blues. And, the harshest cut of all, you're hungry right afterward.

Another difference between Americans and the French is their attitude
about meals. We're the grab-and-go, dine-on-the-run folks. For the
French, a leisurely evening meal with lots of conversation is not only
a revered custom, it's emblematic of their culture.

The French think nothing of sitting at table for 2-1/2 hours, savoring
their food and their company, says Clower.

Eating together in a gracious, leisurely fashion not only bonds
families and friends; it's a key factor in the French Paradox, Clower
discovered.

While you're conversing and enjoying the people around you, you're
eating slowly. You put down your fork to make a point, take a sip of
red wine, maybe get up to replace the tired music on the stereo with a
glorious French opera. You're relaxed so you're not shoveling your
food and you don't need to feel full to feel satisfied. You end up
eating less and digesting it better than if you gulp down dinner in 15
minutes on your way from one activity to another.

When you eat graciously, you actually train your body to expect a lot
less food, Clower says. You don't need to feel stuffed to know dinner
is over. In fact, you'll soon hate the stuffed feeling and stop eating
well in advance of that happening, he adds.

Your petit reward for spending several hours at table eating delicious
food and enjoying lively conversation? The traditional French way of
ending a meal is with a bit of luscious chocolate or a small wedge of
rich, ripe cheese, preferably made of whole raw milk. Sigh...

Clower discovered that once you adopt this new relationship to food,
you're not on a diet at all. You start dropping the pounds and are
looking forward to mealtimes as never before.

Now how can a way of eating that is that delicious, that pleasurable,
that satisfying not be illegal, immoral or fattening? Maybe that is
the real French Paradox.


Beverly Levitt is a Los Angeles-based free-lance writer.

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In article >,
(Gregory Morrow) wrote:

> http://www.suntimes.com/output/food/...ws-will28.html
>
>
> Why aren't the French fat like us?
>
> January 28, 2004
>
> BY BEVERLY LEVITT
>

<snipped>
Awesome article...
Thanks! :-)

K.

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:04:41 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>In article >,
> (Gregory Morrow) wrote:
>
>> http://www.suntimes.com/output/food/...ws-will28.html
>>
>>
>> Why aren't the French fat like us?
>>
>> January 28, 2004
>>
>> BY BEVERLY LEVITT
>>
>
><snipped>
>Awesome article...
>Thanks! :-)
>
>K.

The original post was too long. The French are thinner than (e.g.)
Americans because they walk a lot more and use bicycles a lot also.
They are also fastidious eaters. They do NOT like the stuff that
they serve up in tourist traps. I visit with French families when in
France and we never, but never, have French fries. Servings are
quite small compared to those in America. Butter is rarely served
with croissants. Usually there are conserves (jams) at breakfast -
which consists of coffee and one croissant with jam and some fresh
fruit (but not always the fruit).

The French are NOT big eaters. I don't think their 3 or 4 course
menus would appeal to American men, who would probably feel they could
eat much more - and I have heard some say so in restaurants in France!

I am petite and not a big eater, and I am always well satisfied with
the small servings.

Perhaps this the crux of this business of The French are Thinner than
the Americans rather than the cuisine itself.

Daisy.

Don't assume malice for what stupidity can explain.

On 28 Jan 2004 23:30:29 -0800, (Gregory
Morrow) wrote:

>http://www.suntimes.com/output/food/...ws-will28.html
>
>
>Why aren't the French fat like us?

<article in posted URL snipped>

Well, it's sure not because they all listen to opera during dinner
(see article)! They place even more social acceptance on thinness
than USAsians. They don't snack all day long. They serve small
portions. It's not a mystery or some magic formula.

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:30:29 -0800, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> http://www.suntimes.com/output/food/...ws-will28.html
>
>
> Why aren't the French fat like us?

Here's the final word on nutrition and health. *It's a relief to know
the truth after all those conflicting medical studies:

Evidence:

1. *The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks
than the Americans.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than
the Americans.

3. *The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart
attacks than the Americans.

4. *The Italians and French drink excessive amounts of red wine and
suffer fewer heart attacks than the *Americans.

5. *The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats
andsuffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.

Conclusion: *Eat and drink what you like. *Speaking English is
apparently what kills you.

In article >,
"nathan" > wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:30:29 -0800, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > http://www.suntimes.com/output/food/...ws-will28.html
> >
> >
> > Why aren't the French fat like us?
>
> Here's the final word on nutrition and health. *It's a relief to know
> the truth after all those conflicting medical studies:
>
> Evidence:
>
> 1. *The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks
> than the Americans.
>
> 2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than
> the Americans.
>
> 3. *The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart
> attacks than the Americans.
>
> 4. *The Italians and French drink excessive amounts of red wine and
> suffer fewer heart attacks than the *Americans.
>
> 5. *The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats
> andsuffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.
>
> Conclusion: *Eat and drink what you like. *Speaking English is
> apparently what kills you.
>

Damn you... Just sent lunch thru my nose!
Owch! ;-D

K.

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: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:04:41 -0600, Katra
: > wrote:

:>In article >,
:> (Gregory Morrow) wrote:
:>
:>> http://www.suntimes.com/output/food/...ws-will28.html
:>>
:>>
:>> Why aren't the French fat like us?
:>>
:>> January 28, 2004
:>>
:>> BY BEVERLY LEVITT
:>>
:>
:><snipped>
:>Awesome article...
:>Thanks! :-)
:>
:>K.


It's also because of all the red wine they drink with every meal.
Babies are fed wine in their bottles instead of milk.

: The original post was too long. The French are thinner than (e.g.)
: Americans because they walk a lot more and use bicycles a lot also.
: They are also fastidious eaters. They do NOT like the stuff that
: they serve up in tourist traps. I visit with French families when in
: France and we never, but never, have French fries. Servings are
: quite small compared to those in America. Butter is rarely served
: with croissants. Usually there are conserves (jams) at breakfast -
: which consists of coffee and one croissant with jam and some fresh
: fruit (but not always the fruit).

: The French are NOT big eaters. I don't think their 3 or 4 course
: menus would appeal to American men, who would probably feel they could
: eat much more - and I have heard some say so in restaurants in France!

: I am petite and not a big eater, and I am always well satisfied with
: the small servings.

: Perhaps this the crux of this business of The French are Thinner than
: the Americans rather than the cuisine itself.

: Daisy.

: Don't assume malice for what stupidity can explain.

Frogleg wrote:

> Well, it's sure not because they all listen to opera during dinner
> (see article)! They place even more social acceptance on thinness
> than USAsians. They don't snack all day long. They serve small
> portions. It's not a mystery or some magic formula.

Small portions? I have been to France three times, and most meals were
quite bounteous. We went to the restaurant in our hotel one evening
absolutely famished after having skipped lunch. We ordered the three
course menu and were stuffed after the appetizer. My wife had a shrimp
and avocado salad. We were expecting half an avocado with a scoop of
shrimp salad in it. What arrived at the table was a huge mound of
shrimp salad garnished (probably 1 1/2 cups if it) with a whole
avocado nicely sliced and arranged around it and topped with a dozen
large shrimp. My Tourte Lorraine was a sort of quiche, about 6 " in
diameter and 1 1/2" deep, the bottom half of it being a meat filling.

We wondered how we could manage our main course after that. We had
ordered strip steaks and thought that they would not be very big. They
were at least 14 oz., and they were served along with huge servings of
potatoes, carrots and green beans.


From my experiences in Canadian and American restaurants I have found
that you can expect to get a large portion of mediocre food or a small
serving of good food. From my travels in France and Germany I learned
that, other than in the main tourist areas where you get soaked, you
can expect large portions of excellent food.

(snip)

> >
> > Here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know
> > the truth after all those conflicting medical studies:
> >
> > Evidence:
> >
> > 1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks
> > than the Americans.
> >
> > 2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than
> > the Americans.
> >
> > 3. The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart
> > attacks than the Americans.
> >
> > 4. The Italians and French drink excessive amounts of red wine and
> > suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.
> >
> > 5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats
> > andsuffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.
> >
> > Conclusion: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is
> > apparently what kills you.
> >
>
> Damn you... Just sent lunch thru my nose!
> Owch! ;-D
>
> K.
>
> --
> Sprout the Mung Bean to reply...
>
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>
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=katra

I agree, that was a good one! <g>
kili

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:05:50 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Frogleg wrote:
>
>> Well, it's sure not because they all listen to opera during dinner
>> (see article)! They place even more social acceptance on thinness
>> than USAsians. They don't snack all day long. They serve small
>> portions. It's not a mystery or some magic formula.
>
>Small portions? I have been to France three times, and most meals were
>quite bounteous. We went to the restaurant in our hotel one evening
>absolutely famished after having skipped lunch. We ordered the three
>course menu and were stuffed after the appetizer. My wife had a shrimp
>and avocado salad. We were expecting half an avocado with a scoop of
>shrimp salad in it. What arrived at the table was a huge mound of
>shrimp salad garnished (probably 1 1/2 cups if it) with a whole
>avocado nicely sliced and arranged around it and topped with a dozen
>large shrimp. My Tourte Lorraine was a sort of quiche, about 6 " in
>diameter and 1 1/2" deep, the bottom half of it being a meat filling.

Perhaps I should have added that they eat at home more. :-) Banquet,
restaurant, and special occasion food can be quite different from
everyday eating habits. I got a single lunch at my local takeout
Chinese a couple of weeks ago, and had !5! full meals from it. A pint
of egg-drop soup (with a packet of fried noodles), about 2-1/2 cups of
pork fried rice, 2 cups of battered, fried chicken pieces in a sweet
sauce, and a fortune cookie! All the people who work in the store
are slim as minnows. They *obviously* don't eat that kind of lunch (or
dinner) every day.

Frogleg > wrote in message >. ..
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:05:50 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >Frogleg wrote:
> >
> >> Well, it's sure not because they all listen to opera during dinner
> >> (see article)! They place even more social acceptance on thinness
> >> than USAsians. They don't snack all day long. They serve small
> >> portions. It's not a mystery or some magic formula.
> >
> >Small portions? I have been to France three times, and most meals were
> >quite bounteous. We went to the restaurant in our hotel one evening
> >absolutely famished after having skipped lunch. We ordered the three
> >course menu and were stuffed after the appetizer. My wife had a shrimp
> >and avocado salad. We were expecting half an avocado with a scoop of
> >shrimp salad in it. What arrived at the table was a huge mound of
> >shrimp salad garnished (probably 1 1/2 cups if it) with a whole
> >avocado nicely sliced and arranged around it and topped with a dozen
> >large shrimp. My Tourte Lorraine was a sort of quiche, about 6 " in
> >diameter and 1 1/2" deep, the bottom half of it being a meat filling.
>

Perhaps...the French are not thin... after all. I've spent a year in
France in Strasbourg with numerous outings to Paris and various other
cities. And on more than one occasion I was stunned, like when I
discovered they love.....french fries. Like in the famous "Moules
frites".... you guessed it right... Mussels+french fries. Or
steak+....you guessed it. Or that French don't drink much alcohol. Or
that they are not thin. But one thing is for sure surprising to a US
visitor. The food is expensive!!! And eating out even more so. Even
chinese restaurants in Paris are expensive. Most French indulge at
most at fast food restaurants. So when in France don't go Ronald, go
Flunch for the real french fast food.

nathan wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:30:29 -0800, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.suntimes.com/output/food/...ws-will28.html
>>
>>
>>Why aren't the French fat like us?
>
>
> Here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know
> the truth after all those conflicting medical studies:
>
> Evidence:
>
> 1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks
> than the Americans.
>
> 2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than
> the Americans.
>
> 3. The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart
> attacks than the Americans.
>
> 4. The Italians and French drink excessive amounts of red wine and
> suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.
>
> 5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats
> andsuffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.
>
> Conclusion: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is
> apparently what kills you.
>

What a hoot!


jim

Gregory Morrow wrote:

> http://www.suntimes.com/output/food/...ws-will28.html
>
>

Snip of material I am sure you do not have permission to reproduce in
its entirety.

The newspaper(s) that you are cutting and pasting might take exception
to your doing under copyright law.

Why not a tricky lead and the URL alone. That works. If it hits the
spot, most will probably go and read. If we wouldn't, then we might not
read it here.

That said, good article.


jim

On 28 Jan 2004 23:30:29 -0800,
(Gregory Morrow) wrote:

>And thus we have the French Paradox,

<yawn>

Boy, never heard that before.

-sw

"kilikini" > wrote in message news:jEhSb.30606
> > > Here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know
> > > the truth after all those conflicting medical studies:
> > >
> > > Evidence:
> > >
> > > 1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks
> > > than the Americans.
> > >
> > > 2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than
> > > the Americans.
> > >
> > > 3. The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart
> > > attacks than the Americans.
> > >
> > > 4. The Italians and French drink excessive amounts of red wine and
> > > suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.
> > >
> > > 5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats
> > > andsuffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.
> > >
> > > Conclusion: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is
> > > apparently what kills you.
> > >
> >
> > Damn you... Just sent lunch thru my nose!
> > Owch! ;-D
> >

Except there's not an American out there that can speak English ....


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Nabuco wrote:

> Frogleg > wrote in message >. ..
>
>>On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:05:50 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Frogleg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well, it's sure not because they all listen to opera during dinner
>>>>(see article)! They place even more social acceptance on thinness
>>>>than USAsians. They don't snack all day long. They serve small
>>>>portions. It's not a mystery or some magic formula.
>>>
>>>Small portions? I have been to France three times, and most meals were
>>>quite bounteous. We went to the restaurant in our hotel one evening
>>>absolutely famished after having skipped lunch. We ordered the three
>>>course menu and were stuffed after the appetizer. My wife had a shrimp
>>>and avocado salad. We were expecting half an avocado with a scoop of
>>>shrimp salad in it. What arrived at the table was a huge mound of
>>>shrimp salad garnished (probably 1 1/2 cups if it) with a whole
>>>avocado nicely sliced and arranged around it and topped with a dozen
>>>large shrimp. My Tourte Lorraine was a sort of quiche, about 6 " in
>>>diameter and 1 1/2" deep, the bottom half of it being a meat filling.
>>
>
> Perhaps...the French are not thin... after all. I've spent a year in
> France in Strasbourg with numerous outings to Paris and various other
> cities.

And now that you are an expert...............

And on more than one occasion I was stunned, like when I
> discovered they love.....french fries. Like in the famous "Moules
> frites".... you guessed it right... Mussels+french fries. Or
> steak+....

Wow, what a startling discovery. To think, someone eats fries besides
Americans.

you guessed it. Or that French don't drink much alcohol.

Really, compared to whom?

Or
> that they are not thin.

No, not thin, but, as a society, not fat nor obese.

But one thing is for sure surprising to a US
> visitor. The food is expensive!!! And eating out even more so. Even
> chinese restaurants in Paris are expensive. Most French indulge at
> most at fast food restaurants.

Wow, another bon mot. French eat out often, but for the most part at
consuemr friendly bistro's, eating a prix fixe meal, which are very good
bargains. I realize that this may surprise you, but most French do not
eat at Michlein starred restaurants. As a result, it is not expensive to
eat out in France. Considering a three course prix fixe meal, most
always cheaper than in the States.


--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

al wrote:
....

>>>>
>>>>Conclusion: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is
>>>>apparently what kills you.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Damn you... Just sent lunch thru my nose!
>>>Owch! ;-D
>>>
>>
>
> Except there's not an American out there that can speak English ....


Surely you must have meant to say "who can speak English".




>
>
> a
>
>

"Ellie C" > wrote in message
...
> >>>>Conclusion: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is
> >>>>apparently what kills you.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Damn you... Just sent lunch thru my nose!
> >>>Owch! ;-D
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > Except there's not an American out there that can speak English ....
>
>
> Surely you must have meant to say "who can speak English".
>

Just pointing out that most what's out there can't .. innit ... ;p



a

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:48:25 -0000, "al" >
wrote:

>> > Except there's not an American out there that can speak English ....
>>
>> Surely you must have meant to say "who can speak English".
>
>Just pointing out that most what's out there can't .. innit ... ;p

There's nothing like language criticism from an illiterate Englishman.

-- Larry (Welsh/American)

"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:48:25 -0000, "al" >
> wrote:
>
> >> > Except there's not an American out there that can speak English ....
> >>
> >> Surely you must have meant to say "who can speak English".
> >
> >Just pointing out that most what's out there can't .. innit ... ;p
>
> There's nothing like language criticism from an illiterate Englishman.
>

Well here's to hoping you actually get irony ....



a

<Alan > wrote in message
> Did you notice the comment in the OP about how restaurants who serve
> tourists serve much huger portions that the French do when they're
> eating just for themselves???
>
>
> I think you got 'trapped'.
>
>

It's true - if there's one thing everyone says about eating out in the USA
when they visit as tourists, it's that the size of the portions defy belief!
Now I really do like a good big meal from time to time and it's great the
way steak and lobster (things that are very expensive here in the UK) are in
many places very cheap in comparison and of excellent quality - BUT ....
it's not very good for you to eat two huge meals a day every day of your
life - no matter how fatty or not they are. If you eat such a quantity of
food, then whether or not it has a few extra grams of fat in it, you will
get fat and have health problems.

When you eat out in a nice restaurant anywhere you kinda expect a large
portion however (unless it's an 80's themed yuppie joint!). That may sound
contradictory, but what I mean is the type of place that isn't an every-day
joint (unless you're very well off!). In France and in all Mediterranean
countries the diet tends to be very healthy with smaller amounts eaten
across more time. This is much better for your body. The UK/USA in
particular seem to be obsessed with diets from women's magazines that I'm
sure do more harm than good over time. Just being sensible - eating without
rushing, eating smaller (not small!) portions and getting some exercise will
not only be better for your body, but also for your general well-being.



a

"melnic" > wrote in message news:EMcTb.416349
> I think if more people (struggling with their weight or not) tried to
halve
> their portions and take it home/share it that they'd find they'd feel a
lot
> better. It really isn't necessary or healthy to each a huge steak.
>

Quite .... but nice once in a blue moon

I had a 600g steak in Antwerp one time in garlic butter. Fantastic,
beautiful steak - dripping with bloody juice and piping hot. Wouldn't want
to eat one of them every day though! Once a year maybe ...



a

"al" > wrote in message
...
> "melnic" > wrote in message news:EMcTb.416349
> > I think if more people (struggling with their weight or not) tried to
> halve
> > their portions and take it home/share it that they'd find they'd feel a
> lot
> > better. It really isn't necessary or healthy to each a huge steak.
> >
>
> Quite .... but nice once in a blue moon
>
> I had a 600g steak in Antwerp one time in garlic butter. Fantastic,
> beautiful steak - dripping with bloody juice and piping hot. Wouldn't
want
> to eat one of them every day though! Once a year maybe ...
>

then south america is your paradise. christ, every meal is a huge chunk of
red meat served with both boiled potatoes and rice!
after a month of this i couldn't face meat for a little while though i
do miss the juiciest alpaca steaks.

"ExpatNL" > wrote in message
>
> then south america is your paradise. christ, every meal is a huge chunk
of
> red meat served with both boiled potatoes and rice!
> after a month of this i couldn't face meat for a little while though i
> do miss the juiciest alpaca steaks.
>

Ewwww ... rice with steak!? I'll stick with chips ta very much I
usually stir fry some veg with it too like some peppers, onions and
mangetout in sesame oil or with teriyaki marinade - nice as a side.



a

I'm half American and half Dutch. Having lived in Holland my whole life I am
indeed stunned by the huge quantities served in american restaurants. I
usually end up sharing a dish/steak.whatever with my mom or sister.The
steaks we have here are hamburger sized ) when compared to the american
steaks.

I think if more people (struggling with their weight or not) tried to halve
their portions and take it home/share it that they'd find they'd feel a lot
better. It really isn't necessary or healthy to each a huge steak.

Mel


"al" > wrote in message
...
> <Alan > wrote in message
> > Did you notice the comment in the OP about how restaurants who serve
> > tourists serve much huger portions that the French do when they're
> > eating just for themselves???
> >
> >
> > I think you got 'trapped'.
> >
> >
>
> It's true - if there's one thing everyone says about eating out in the USA
> when they visit as tourists, it's that the size of the portions defy
belief!
> Now I really do like a good big meal from time to time and it's great the
> way steak and lobster (things that are very expensive here in the UK) are
in
> many places very cheap in comparison and of excellent quality - BUT ....
> it's not very good for you to eat two huge meals a day every day of your
> life - no matter how fatty or not they are. If you eat such a quantity of
> food, then whether or not it has a few extra grams of fat in it, you will
> get fat and have health problems.
>
> When you eat out in a nice restaurant anywhere you kinda expect a large
> portion however (unless it's an 80's themed yuppie joint!). That may
sound
> contradictory, but what I mean is the type of place that isn't an
every-day
> joint (unless you're very well off!). In France and in all Mediterranean
> countries the diet tends to be very healthy with smaller amounts eaten
> across more time. This is much better for your body. The UK/USA in
> particular seem to be obsessed with diets from women's magazines that I'm
> sure do more harm than good over time. Just being sensible - eating
without
> rushing, eating smaller (not small!) portions and getting some exercise
will
> not only be better for your body, but also for your general well-being.
>
>
>
> a
>
>


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