Here's a good place to go ask your questions:
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/kitchbath/

I don't have an island in my kitchen but have been in kitchens where there
are islands w/ sinks. I will tell you this...if you're thinking that you'll
put some stools across the island from the sink for people to put breakfast,
or sit and chat with you while you work....be careful. If your island is
flat, and if it's not wide enough, whoever is sitting on the stools may get
sprayed with water, etc. from the sink (human backsplash). This happens at
my sister-in-law's house a lot, and at a friend's house who has a similar
setup. Anything they put on the counter near the sink is at risk,
too.....e.g. food for a party, etc. So if you're going to have a sink in
your island, remember that.

Another friend has a bi-level island....the sink is several inches lower
than the breakfast bar part, so there's a backsplash. The breakfast bar is
deep enough that I didn't get splashed while eating there (needed a tall
stool, though).

Chris

My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen within the
next year (I hope!). Right now we have a galley kitchen. We plan on
tearing out the wall that makes it a galley and that will open up the
kitchen for us to have a L shaped kitchen with an island. I'm not sure
og the dimensions, but it would probably be something like 17'x9'. We
would also like to add an island. We could not have cabinets on the
wall opposite the 17' because our basement door it there...

Right now we think the best route would be for us to put the fridge on
the end of the shorter wall and have a stove in the middle of the
longer wall and put the kitchen sink + dishwasher in the island. We
could probably have a 5 foot island I think. I'm unsure of what the
standard mesaurements are for the depth of countertops and how much
space you should allow between countertops (like from the shorter wall
to the island).

So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how
did that setup work out for you?

Thanks!
Kristen

kristen wrote:
> My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen within the
> next year (I hope!). Right now we have a galley kitchen. We plan on
> tearing out the wall that makes it a galley and that will open up the
> kitchen for us to have a L shaped kitchen with an island. I'm not sure
> og the dimensions, but it would probably be something like 17'x9'. We
> would also like to add an island. We could not have cabinets on the
> wall opposite the 17' because our basement door it there...
>
> Right now we think the best route would be for us to put the fridge on
> the end of the shorter wall and have a stove in the middle of the
> longer wall and put the kitchen sink + dishwasher in the island. We
> could probably have a 5 foot island I think. I'm unsure of what the
> standard mesaurements are for the depth of countertops and how much
> space you should allow between countertops (like from the shorter wall
> to the island).
>
> So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how
> did that setup work out for you?
>
> Thanks!
> Kristen


The real trick is venting the drain properly.

Bob

kristen wrote:

> My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen within the
> next year (I hope!). Right now we have a galley kitchen. We plan on
> tearing out the wall that makes it a galley and that will open up the
> kitchen for us to have a L shaped kitchen with an island. I'm not sure
> og the dimensions, but it would probably be something like 17'x9'. We
> would also like to add an island. We could not have cabinets on the
> wall opposite the 17' because our basement door it there...
>
> Right now we think the best route would be for us to put the fridge on
> the end of the shorter wall and have a stove in the middle of the
> longer wall and put the kitchen sink + dishwasher in the island. We
> could probably have a 5 foot island I think. I'm unsure of what the
> standard mesaurements are for the depth of countertops and how much
> space you should allow between countertops (like from the shorter wall
> to the island).
>
> So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how
> did that setup work out for you?
>
> Thanks!
> Kristen
We have an island with a kitchen sink and we love it. It's important to
have adequate counterspace on either side of your sink though. If you
only have a 5' wide island and install a sink there, it won't give you
very much counterspace unless you install a very small sink. Most
kitchen electrical codes will require that you have outlets on your
island. Also, you'll need to address the location of your garbage
disposer switch. We installed electrical outlets on either side of the
sink cabinet panel. The installed outlets took roughly 6-inches on
either side of the sink cabinet so we installed two slim cabinet doors
beneath each outlet. On one side, we've used the narrow space for
storing cutting boards (on end). The other side has a pull out rack to
hang wet dishtowels. For our garbage disposer, we installed an "air
switch" on the granite countertop because the standard toggle switch was
not allowed. The switch is designed to be used near water (i.e., for
hot tubs etc...). It installs flush with the countertop. Standard
cabinet depth is 24-inches however with an island, you can make any
depth you want.
Good luck with your kitchen design.
Mickey

We did a similar thing a number of years ago. We had a kitchen with a wall
to a small entry way to our deck that had sliding glass doors. Had a
separate dining room but usually ate in the kitchen When the wall was
removed we put the sink in the island and it's so nice not to have to face a
wall. In the kitchen we did in this house, we put the stove top in the
island because the sink faces a window which works well too.

The other thing we did with our latest kitchen was instead of cupboards on
the bottom I have 4 huge pot drawers and 8 small top drawers. I still have
normal cupboard under the sink and stove, but under the wall oven I have 2
more big pot drawers. They work great because I can't get into lower
cupboards because of my back.


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"kristen" > wrote in message
om...
> My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen within the
> next year (I hope!). Right now we have a galley kitchen. We plan on
> tearing out the wall that makes it a galley and that will open up the
> kitchen for us to have a L shaped kitchen with an island. I'm not sure
> og the dimensions, but it would probably be something like 17'x9'. We
> would also like to add an island. We could not have cabinets on the
> wall opposite the 17' because our basement door it there...
>
> Right now we think the best route would be for us to put the fridge on
> the end of the shorter wall and have a stove in the middle of the
> longer wall and put the kitchen sink + dishwasher in the island. We
> could probably have a 5 foot island I think. I'm unsure of what the
> standard mesaurements are for the depth of countertops and how much
> space you should allow between countertops (like from the shorter wall
> to the island).
>
> So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how
> did that setup work out for you?
>
> Thanks!
> Kristen

We never had a problem with ours.

--
Helen

Thanks be unto God for His wonderful gift:
Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God
is the object of our faith; the only faith that
saves is faith in Him

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"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> kristen wrote:
> > My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen within the
> > next year (I hope!). Right now we have a galley kitchen. We plan on
> > tearing out the wall that makes it a galley and that will open up the
> > kitchen for us to have a L shaped kitchen with an island. I'm not sure
> > og the dimensions, but it would probably be something like 17'x9'. We
> > would also like to add an island. We could not have cabinets on the
> > wall opposite the 17' because our basement door it there...
> >
> > Right now we think the best route would be for us to put the fridge on
> > the end of the shorter wall and have a stove in the middle of the
> > longer wall and put the kitchen sink + dishwasher in the island. We
> > could probably have a 5 foot island I think. I'm unsure of what the
> > standard mesaurements are for the depth of countertops and how much
> > space you should allow between countertops (like from the shorter wall
> > to the island).
> >
> > So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how
> > did that setup work out for you?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Kristen
>
>
> The real trick is venting the drain properly.
>
> Bob

> kwright
>
>My husband and I are planning on remodeling out kitchen. We could >probably
have a 5 foot island I think
>
>So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how
>did that setup work out for you?

Don't sinks generally work by supplying water and drain it away... duh

Most major Kitchen & Bath emporiums will send a designer out to your house for
a estimate and consult for free, or for a nominal fee which they'll almost
always apply towards the cost of the job.

Personally I think a 5' kitchen island is way too small for a sink of useful
proportion... a 24" sink (which is a really skimpy size) will afford less than
eighteen usable inches per side. I wouldn't consider a sink of less than 30",
nor for accomodating a sink a kitchen island of less than 8' long... and 4'
deep. If you're considering one of those teensy bar sinks they're less than a
useless adition in a kitchen... just something to constantly wipe down, take up
precious acreage on your island, and award you a fancy plumbing bill to
install... it will rarely get used. Unless you will have a kitchen large
enough to accomodate a legal sized island (capable of supporting a tree, two
bushes, and a hut) I advise investing your coconut money into the mainland.


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> zxcvbob opines:
>
>kristen wrote:
>>
>> So my question I guess is to those who have sinks in the island, how
>> did that setup work out for you?
>
>The real trick is venting the drain properly.

No problem if there's a basement/crawlspace... with no basement/crawlspace
there's a big problem with a wasteline, supply lines... then venting is the
least of it.


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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:54:26 -0500, someone wrote:

>We never had a problem with ours.
>
Then your plumber did a good job.

It is not a problem for the owner using it, it is a problem for the
plumber installing it. And problems of plumbers can get costly.
Speedy was right to say have a plumber involved in planning so that it
can ECONOMICALLY be done right.

Just because yours works right (as it is supposed to) doesn't mean
that therefore the problem does not exist. Your ignorance may be
bliss, but only because someone more knowledgeable thought it through.
Nobody is saying it can't be done, it just takes extra effort.

-v.

Chris,

Thanks for the tip. We are not planning on putting stools on the
opposite side of the island because the kitchen is too narrow for it I
think. The basement door would be right behind the island and that
would interfere with the stools. But thanks for that tip!

Kristen

> The real trick is venting the drain properly.
>
> Bob

Why is draining a sink in an island any different than when you put
the sink up against a wall? I have no idea.

Thanks!

kristen wrote:
>
> > The real trick is venting the drain properly.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Why is draining a sink in an island any different than when you put
> the sink up against a wall? I have no idea.
>
> Thanks!

It's different because there (probably) cannot be a vent pipe
dropping down out of the ceiling to the island. <g>
Here is what is required in some parts of this land of ours:
http://www.codecheck.com/pg13_14plumbing.html
Scroll down to Fig. P5.

There is also the question of where the drain pipe will
run in the floor space under the island. Do the joists
run the "right" way or will it have to hang below the
basement ceiling? No basement? Ooops!
Many, many things to consider; that's why it's vital to have the
contractor's input from the start.
Jim

Mickey Zalusky > wrote in message >...
> We have an island with a kitchen sink and we love it. It's important to
> have adequate counterspace on either side of your sink though. If you
> only have a 5' wide island and install a sink there, it won't give you
> very much counterspace unless you install a very small sink. Most
> kitchen electrical codes will require that you have outlets on your
> island. Also, you'll need to address the location of your garbage
> disposer switch. We installed electrical outlets on either side of the
> sink cabinet panel. The installed outlets took roughly 6-inches on
> either side of the sink cabinet so we installed two slim cabinet doors
> beneath each outlet. On one side, we've used the narrow space for
> storing cutting boards (on end). The other side has a pull out rack to
> hang wet dishtowels. For our garbage disposer, we installed an "air
> switch" on the granite countertop because the standard toggle switch was
> not allowed. The switch is designed to be used near water (i.e., for
> hot tubs etc...). It installs flush with the countertop. Standard
> cabinet depth is 24-inches however with an island, you can make any
> depth you want.
> Good luck with your kitchen design.
> Mickey

Outlets on the front or sides of cabinets are a potential hazard
because appliances can be pulled off the counter by the cords. This is
a particular danger with children in the house. It is the reason
countertop appliances come with such annoyingly short cords: so
there's no way the cord can dangle over the edge of the counter.

So, such placement is discouraged by most building codes and by many
inspectors, though as I understand it interpretation and enforcement
vary by locale.

Countertop "monuments" are preferred, though designers tend to pout
about them. Of course if the island has a backsplash the outlets
should go into it.

Chip C
Toronto

zxcvbob > writes:

> The real trick is venting the drain properly.

Do a search on "bow vent". We did it when we renovated a 1908 house,
then repeated the design in our new place. Works fine. A bit
contorted, but not hard to do, PVC's easy to work with.

We really like the sink on the island because prep work -- near the
sink -- allows us to chat with our friends on the other side of the
island.

I hate cooktops on the island: downdraft venting doesn't work,
suspended hoods block views, and -- best of all -- you can splatter
your guests with burning fat! (yes, we use butter and oil :-)

>
> It's different because there (probably) cannot be a vent pipe
> dropping down out of the ceiling to the island. <g>
> Here is what is required in some parts of this land of ours:
> http://www.codecheck.com/pg13_14plumbing.html
> Scroll down to Fig. P5.
>
> There is also the question of where the drain pipe will
> run in the floor space under the island. Do the joists
> run the "right" way or will it have to hang below the
> basement ceiling? No basement? Ooops!
> Many, many things to consider; that's why it's vital to have the
> contractor's input from the start.
> Jim

Jim,

thanks. I sort of see what your getting at. We do have a basement and
the joists run perpedicular to where the island would be. So that
seems like it would be the "right" way. I mentioned this to my husband
so he's aware of the different problems with putting the sink in the
island. Thanks for the input!

Kristen