I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (
http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that
aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.

Serene
--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

"Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message
...
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to do
> with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a month
> of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only plant-based foods
> (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no meat, fish, eggs, or
> dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was happy with, but it's up
> at my cooking blog ( http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome
> suggestions that aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
> Serene
Wow! no eggs or dairy would do me in. Otherwise the veggie thing sounds
wonderful for January. Good luck. Keep us posted how that goes.
Janet

On Dec 29, 11:55*pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). *It took me a while to make a menu I was
> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that
> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.

I certainly won't mock you!!

I have thought about this idea myself...but it would be a really
radical jump for me right now. However, I might follow along with you
partially, and try up the quota of my vegan meals to much more than I
do now, which is very low. Fortunately, I do like tofu and that is
vegan.
The vegetables and fruits available here are very conducive to eating
this way... And I did bring quite a few vegetarian cookbooks with me,
and they have a fair amount of vegan recipes. I suspect soup might
be a good way to go here, among other things.

Christine

Serene wrote:

> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to do
> with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a month
> of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only plant-based foods
> (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no meat, fish, eggs, or
> dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was happy with, but it's up
> at my cooking blog ( http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome
> suggestions that aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.

I'd want much greater variety for breakfast, lunch, and snacks. Will you put
soymilk on the cereal?

Speaking of soymilk and breakfast, there's a Chinese breakfast you might
want to fit into your challenge: A log of deep-fried dough wrapped in a
piece of soft bread, which you dunk into hot soymilk with sesame oil and
scallion rings.

You did write something which I think warrants more examination: "partly as
a palate cleanser after a month of eating very meat-centrically." I dispute
the implication that eating meat somehow muddies your palate.

Bob

Serene Vannoy wrote:
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (
> http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that
> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
> Serene

I could do ovo-lacto vegetarian for a while, but not straight vegan.
Still, a good New Year's Resolution for me would be to eat more
vegetables and fruit.

Hmmmm... I think I'll go and cut up that watermelon that is sitting out
in the garage and have some for breakfast.

Good luck with your experiment.

George L

On Dec 30, 2:55*am, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). *It took me a while to make a menu I was
> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that
> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.


Uhhh, cud you be more specific as to where the menu is on your blog?
It looks kinda looooong to pore over.
TIA.

Kalmia wrote to Serene:

> Uhhh, cud you be more specific as to where the menu is on your blog? It
> looks kinda looooong to pore over.

Click on the link which says, "Wow, that's a lot of menu-geeking!"

Bob

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:55:23 -0800, Serene Vannoy >
wrote:

>I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
>do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
>month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
>plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
>meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
>happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (
>http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that
>aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
>Serene


Just for information purposes, my wife and I started a weight loss/get healthy
regime through a well known company in Feb.2009. We were told to scale back our
red meat intake, and eat much more fish and chicken which we did. We went for
normal tests during the year, and the doctor mentioned once that my hemoglobin
was alittle low. Had more blood blood tests, smears, and other tests in
November 2009 near the end of the weight loss program, as the doctor couldn't
figure out why my hemoglobin was quite low (110). He told me to ignore the
program and start eating my meat again, within two weeks my hemoglobin was at
139, very good is 140. I just had it checked last week and it's at 138.

So you eat whatever you want, your body will tell you if it likes what's put in
it or not.

Serene Vannoy > wrote:

>I welcome suggestions that
>aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.

Good list. Here are a few things I often do that are not
on it:

Tofu sandwiches -- can't get much easier than that.

Ful.

Couscous -- which you did mention; I almost always do it with
preserved lemon, either tofu or garbanzo beans, and other veggies,
and garnished with harissa. I use veggie stock for the initial
couscous liquid, and I like to add Spanish smoked paprika (pimenton).

What does "yaki" mean exactly in yaki soba?

Great list really.

Steve

On Dec 29, 11:55 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that
> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.

Sometimes people equate veg with bland, so here's one I've posted
before that is anything but. As usually made it includes ground pork;
just omit that for your purposes, the dish will still be good.

Spicy Eggplant 'Yuxiang'

3 or 4 Japanese(Chinese) eggplants -- one pound or a little more.
Remove
stem, do not peel. Cut lengthwise into quarters, then across into
about 1"
pieces.

1/4 lb. ground pork. Mix with 1 TB sherry and 1 tsp. cornstarch, set
aside. [omit this if necessary]

3 quarter-sized slices fresh ginger root, minced.

4 medium garlic cloves, smashed and finely chopped. [Or more--this
dish
can take all the garlic you want. I used six cloves, but we weren't
going
out later.]

4 scallions, including about half the green part, cleaned, shredded
and cut
in lengths of about 1".

1 TB Sichuan chili bean paste. [Note: made of yellow bean paste,
chilis,
garlic and spices, this is not identical with 'chili sauce' or 'garlic
chili sauce'. But if you can't find it, substitute. Ken Hom suggests
Satay sauce, a SE Asian version.]

optional: 1 or 2 TB Sichuan preserved vegetable

1 tsp, or 3, or to taste, crushed dried red chili flakes. [The dish
is
supposed to be hot. Don't worry, they won't hide the other flavors.]

1 TB Chinese black vinegar. [Cider vinegar can be substituted, but
the
black vinegar, aka Chinkiang vinegar, is wonderful. I used 2 TB.]

1 tsp sugar.

2 TB soy sauce.

1/2 to 1 cup chicken stock or water.

1 tsp sesame oil

Cooking

Heat wok or heavy pan on high heat. When hot, add 2 to 3 TB peanut
oil,
then the eggplant. Stir fry on medium-high for five or six minutes
until
eggplant is somewhat darkened and has begun to soften. It will first
absorb the oil, then release it. Remove the eggplant.

Add 1 TB oil to wok, if necessary. Turn heat up to high. Add the
garlic
and ginger and half the scallions, stir 30 seconds or so until
fragrant,
then add the pork. Stir fry until it's brown and crumbly. Add the
rest
of the ingredients except the sesame oil, give a couple of stirs, add
back
the eggplant and the broth or water, stir, cover and simmer for about
five
minutes. You want the eggplant well cooked and soft. Uncover, turn
the
heat back up, push everything back from the center to make a well for
the
liquid. Add the sesame oil and some cornstarch slurry, stir to
thicken.
[You have to judge how much based on how much liquid there is at this
point. About 2 tsp cornstarch in 1 TB cold water, maybe. Or just use
a
scant half cup of broth/water in the first place and don't thicken
it.]
Serve immediately.

[Note for the fat-conscious. This dish, like many from Sichuan, may
strike
the contemporary American palate as too oily. If this is a concern,
Ken
Hom suggests baking the eggplant on a baking tray at 350F for 15
minutes.
Cool, then cut up. Then omit the step of frying them in oil.
Personally,
I like the richness of the oil. You can also pour off the fat
rendered by
the pork before adding the rest of the ingredients. Or, you can omit
the
pork entirely.]

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:55:23 -0800, Serene Vannoy wrote:

> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (
> http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that
> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
> Serene

not exactly on point, but some years ago a group within my bar-fly friends
would go on the wagon every january to give their livers a well-deserved
rest. i personally thought it was madness, but i was in my twenties then.

good luck with your project, and i look forward to reports.

your pal,
blake

On Dec 30, 11:09*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:55:23 -0800, Serene Vannoy wrote:
> > I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
> > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
> > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
> > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
> > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). *It took me a while to make a menu I was
> > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (
> >http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that
> > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
> > Serene
>
> not exactly on point, but some years ago a group within my bar-fly friends
> would go on the wagon every january to give their livers a well-deserved
> rest. *i personally thought it was madness, but i was in my twenties then.
>
> good luck with your project, and i look forward to reports.
>
> your pal,
> blake

I'm actually on that wagon, myself.

re to the OP, I bet that bacon will be the first meat you crave. I'm
not saying you will give in or cheat, just that bacon will be the
first one you think of.

Good luck with all of it, though.

-J

George Leppla wrote:
> Hmmmm... I think I'll go and cut up that watermelon that is sitting out
> in the garage and have some for breakfast.

Mmmmm, watermelon! My kid knows I love watermelon, so she bought me one
for Christmas (among other gifts). Sadly, it was terrible, but I choked
some down and thanked her profusely, of course. But oh, my, watermelon
in December is just not always a very good idea.

> Good luck with your experiment.

Thanks!

Serene
--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

Andy wrote:

> Do all the vegan dishes have to be made from scratch or could you use
> things like bags of meatless meatballs, etc.?

Oh, no, prepared foods are fine, if that floats your boat. And lots of
junk foods are vegan (potato chips, etc.), but they're not my go-to food
even on a normal day.

>
> I'd make plenty of pasta in tomato paste and artichoke bottom bits, etc.,
> etc.

Yeah. Pasta is big. Soups, too, and burritos, and stir-fries. My family
is used to having meatless versions of "normal" foods; we don't do a lot
of fake meats and stuff around here, though we do some.

>
> I would do OK with real or substitute cauliflower (faux) mashed potatoes,
> as long as butter wasn't taboo.

Butter's not vegan, but we get by with Earth Balance and olive oil.

> I'm not vegan and some of those that I've met who are look not so
> healthy. There are certain vitamins and minerals and proteins you just
> can't get from eating only veggies.

Only Vitamin B-12, and I have to get that injected anyway, because my
body (even when I'm eating meat) doesn't synthesize it properly.

Everything else is perfectly available to vegans, and B-12 is stored in
the body, so unless you've been totally vegan for 10 years, you won't
run out.

Serene

--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

Kalmia wrote:
> On Dec 30, 2:55 am, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
>> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
>> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
>> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
>> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
>> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that
>> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
>
> Uhhh, cud you be more specific as to where the menu is on your blog?
> It looks kinda looooong to pore over.
> TIA.

The first sentence of the first post at the top of that page says "Below
the cut at the end of this post are my menus for the 21-day Kickstart".

Here's an even more direct link:

http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/71289.html#cutid1

Serene

--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

On 12/30/2009 11:09 AM, blake murphy wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:55:23 -0800, Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
>> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
>> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
>> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
>> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
>> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
>> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (
>> http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that
>> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>>
>> Serene
>
> not exactly on point, but some years ago a group within my bar-fly friends
> would go on the wagon every january to give their livers a well-deserved
> rest. i personally thought it was madness, but i was in my twenties then.
>
> good luck with your project, and i look forward to reports.
>
> your pal,
> blake


I saw the title to this thread and assumed it was started by Andy (until
I paged to the top.)

Last year I gave up alcohol for Lent. I'm a Baptist and Lent is not
part of my tradition, but it seemed like a good one. I started to give
up coffee, but that was just too much. A couple of days after Easter I
got out a bottle of high-gravity IPA to break my fast -- and I almost
couldn't drink it because it tasted so thick and syrupy. (I thinned it
with a little Bud and it was OK :-)

The same beer had tasted really good around Christmas / New Years when I
was used to it.

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Serene wrote:
>
>> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to do
>> with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a month
>> of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only plant-based foods
>> (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no meat, fish, eggs, or
>> dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was happy with, but it's up
>> at my cooking blog ( http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome
>> suggestions that aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
> I'd want much greater variety for breakfast, lunch, and snacks. Will you put
> soymilk on the cereal?

Or rice milk or cashew milk, both of which I like more than soymilk. (I
will probably eat different things for breakfast on the days when I feel
like cooking -- fried potatoes, tofu scramble, etc. -- but monotony
doesn't bother me, and having the basic plan for the morning helps,
because in the morning, I'm already at work by the time my brain turns on.)

> Speaking of soymilk and breakfast, there's a Chinese breakfast you might
> want to fit into your challenge: A log of deep-fried dough wrapped in a
> piece of soft bread, which you dunk into hot soymilk with sesame oil and
> scallion rings.

Wow. That sounds fatal. :-)

> You did write something which I think warrants more examination: "partly as
> a palate cleanser after a month of eating very meat-centrically." I dispute
> the implication that eating meat somehow muddies your palate.

It may not muddy yours; it does mine (metaphorically, at least). I feel
weighed down by it.

Serene

--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

ffu wrote:
>
> So you eat whatever you want, your body will tell you if it likes what's put in
> it or not.

Truer words were never spoken.

Serene
--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

Steve Pope wrote:
> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>
>> I welcome suggestions that
>> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
> Good list. Here are a few things I often do that are not
> on it:
>
> Tofu sandwiches -- can't get much easier than that.

My family doesn't love tofu the way I do, so I thought I'd spare them
for the three weeks.

>
> Ful.

Recipe, please? I make a lot of dals, but I can always use another.

>
> Couscous -- which you did mention; I almost always do it with
> preserved lemon, either tofu or garbanzo beans, and other veggies,
> and garnished with harissa. I use veggie stock for the initial
> couscous liquid, and I like to add Spanish smoked paprika (pimenton).

I don't like smoky things, but that sounds good. I'll try it.

>
> What does "yaki" mean exactly in yaki soba?

Not actually sure. It's what the noodles-and-seasoning thing is called
at the store. James has been eating it since before we met, and it's
essentially a stir-fried noodle dish with a slightly sweet/salty spice
packet. We often discard the packet.

>
> Great list really.

Thanks.

Serene

--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

aem wrote:
> On Dec 29, 11:55 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
>> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
>> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
>> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
>> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
>> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that
>> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
> Sometimes people equate veg with bland, so here's one I've posted
> before that is anything but. As usually made it includes ground pork;
> just omit that for your purposes, the dish will still be good.
>
> Spicy Eggplant 'Yuxiang'

Cool; thank you!

Serene

--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

phaeton wrote:

> re to the OP, I bet that bacon will be the first meat you crave.

No, it's always shellfish for me, and usually shrimp. Or my mother's
cooking (chicken soup, or chopped liver, or italian sausage...) Bacon's
never been a huge love of mine.

> I'm
> not saying you will give in or cheat, just that bacon will be the
> first one you think of.
>
> Good luck with all of it, though.

Thanks!

Serene

--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In article >,
> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>
>> I welcome suggestions that
>> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
> Regardless of my opinion of a strict vegan diet, I would never tell
> someone not to do it herself.

Thank you. I really wasn't up for one of our arguments today. :-)

> Just don't make me do it. :-)

I never would. :-)

> We eat
> meatless at least twice a week, usually, so I have a health collection
> of vegetarian recipes. Some of which are or can easily be made vegan.
> If any of these sound interesting, let me know and I'll post the
> links/recipes.

Thanks! Could you post the Jalfrezi and Mejeddarah recipes? I would love
that.

Serene
--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

Kalmia wrote:
>
> Uhhh, cud you be more specific as to where the menu is on your blog?
> It looks kinda looooong to pore over.

I changed it so the link is more obvious; thanks!

http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/

Serene
--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

In article >,
Serene Vannoy > wrote:

> Steve Pope wrote:

> > Ful.
>
> Recipe, please? I make a lot of dals, but I can always use another.

I'm not sure if I just thought about it, or actually suggested it, but
perhaps Steve should ask CC to post it under his name on the Signature
Dishes page. Every time he posts "ful", the response is usually
"recipe?". And it's not spelled consistently, so sometimes it isn't
easy to look up.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Serene Vannoy > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Ful.

>Recipe, please? I make a lot of dals, but I can always use another.

Here's my approach:

>

Many people use more oil than I do, some even approaching
a refried-bean texture.

Steve

Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:56:12 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>
>> Here's my approach:
>>
>> >
>>
>> Many people use more oil than I do, some even approaching
>> a refried-bean texture.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Hmm...
>
> I am trying to open this, but it won't open with my newsreader.

It's a message ID. Plug it into http://al.howardknight.net/ and you'll
see the message.

Serene

--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

Steve Pope wrote:
> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>
>> Steve Pope wrote:
>
>>> Ful.
>
>> Recipe, please? I make a lot of dals, but I can always use another.
>
> Here's my approach:
>
> >
>
> Many people use more oil than I do, some even approaching
> a refried-bean texture.

Thanks very much! The ful madammus I've had was closer to a warmed
hummus texture, I think, but yes, pretty oily.

Serene

--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

"Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message
...
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>> Serene wrote:
>>
>>> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
>>> do
>>> with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
>>> month
>>> of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only plant-based
>>> foods
>>> (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no meat, fish, eggs, or
>>> dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was happy with, but it's up
>>> at my cooking blog ( http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome
>>> suggestions that aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>>
>> I'd want much greater variety for breakfast, lunch, and snacks. Will you
>> put
>> soymilk on the cereal?
>
> Or rice milk or cashew milk, both of which I like more than soymilk. (I
> will probably eat different things for breakfast on the days when I feel
> like cooking -- fried potatoes, tofu scramble, etc. -- but monotony
> doesn't bother me, and having the basic plan for the morning helps,
> because in the morning, I'm already at work by the time my brain turns
> on.)
>
>> Speaking of soymilk and breakfast, there's a Chinese breakfast you might
>> want to fit into your challenge: A log of deep-fried dough wrapped in a
>> piece of soft bread, which you dunk into hot soymilk with sesame oil and
>> scallion rings.
>
> Wow. That sounds fatal. :-)
>
>> You did write something which I think warrants more examination: "partly
>> as a palate cleanser after a month of eating very meat-centrically." I
>> dispute the implication that eating meat somehow muddies your palate.
>
> It may not muddy yours; it does mine (metaphorically, at least). I feel
> weighed down by it.
>
> Serene

Sounds like a dose or two of vegelax would solve your problem.

Serene Vannoy > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Many people use more oil than I do, some even approaching
>> a refried-bean texture.

>Thanks very much! The ful madammus I've had was closer to a warmed
>hummus texture, I think, but yes, pretty oily.

Yes, when I had it at an Arab restaurant in Singapore
it was almost a liquid texture. My version intends
to emulate what I've had at Arab restaurants in Brooklyn.

Steve

Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (
> http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that
> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
> Serene

Meat is plant based food, the meat eats the plants and we eat the meat.

Pete C. wrote:

> Meat is plant based food, the meat eats the plants and we eat the meat.

Whatever.

Serene
--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> Serene Vannoy wrote:
> >
> > I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
> > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
> > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
> > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
> > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
> > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (
> > http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that
> > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.

> Meat is plant based food, the meat eats the plants and we eat the meat.

The next step in the cycle is that we die and are buried in the ground.
Our bodies rot, and produce compost that makes the plants grow. The
question isn't where the process stops, but where in the cycle we want
to be. I personally am going to try to prolong the "living" part.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a
> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only
> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no
> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was
> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (
> http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that
> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety.
>
> Serene

You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't
you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain.

Pete C. wrote:

> You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't
> you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain.

You do realize that I'm not a moron, right?

Serene
--
"I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

In article >,
Serene Vannoy > wrote:

> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't
> > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain.
>
> You do realize that I'm not a moron, right?

I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself.

Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have
come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy
about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there
are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away.
There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three
weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his
freezer.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:
>
> In article >,
> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>
> > Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't
> > > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain.
> >
> > You do realize that I'm not a moron, right?
>
> I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself.
>
> Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have
> come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy
> about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there
> are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away.
> There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three
> weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his
> freezer.
>

I "come down" on proselytizing vegans for the same reason I come down on
proselytizing religions fanatics of all superstitions - they invariable
become more and more extreme and turn to violence to try to force their
beliefs on others. This isn't some idle theory either, there are plenty
of documented violent attacks by vegans, just as there are plenty of
documented violent attacks by most every superstition at some point.

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:45:57 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:
>>
>> In article >,
>> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>>
>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>
>>> > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't
>>> > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain.
>>>
>>> You do realize that I'm not a moron, right?
>>
>> I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself.
>>
>> Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have
>> come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy
>> about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there
>> are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away.
>> There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three
>> weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his
>> freezer.
>>
>
> I "come down" on proselytizing vegans for the same reason I come down on
> proselytizing religions fanatics of all superstitions - they invariable
> become more and more extreme and turn to violence to try to force their
> beliefs on others. This isn't some idle theory either, there are plenty
> of documented violent attacks by vegans, just as there are plenty of
> documented violent attacks by most every superstition at some point.

bloodthirsty vegans? really?

blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:45:57 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Dan Abel wrote:
> >>
> >> In article >,
> >> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Pete C. wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't
> >>> > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain.
> >>>
> >>> You do realize that I'm not a moron, right?
> >>
> >> I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself.
> >>
> >> Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have
> >> come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy
> >> about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there
> >> are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away.
> >> There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three
> >> weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his
> >> freezer.
> >>
> >
> > I "come down" on proselytizing vegans for the same reason I come down on
> > proselytizing religions fanatics of all superstitions - they invariable
> > become more and more extreme and turn to violence to try to force their
> > beliefs on others. This isn't some idle theory either, there are plenty
> > of documented violent attacks by vegans, just as there are plenty of
> > documented violent attacks by most every superstition at some point.
>
> bloodthirsty vegans? really?
>
> blake

Yep, fact.

Take a look at the violent attacks in recent years perpetrated by:

- Religious loons
- Environmental loons
- Animal rights (vegan) loons
- Anti globalization (anarchist) loons

All of these groups have numerous examples of violent attacks trying to
force their ideology on others.

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:02:27 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:45:57 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>> Dan Abel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't
>>>>> > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain.
>>>>>
>>>>> You do realize that I'm not a moron, right?
>>>>
>>>> I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself.
>>>>
>>>> Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have
>>>> come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy
>>>> about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there
>>>> are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away.
>>>> There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three
>>>> weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his
>>>> freezer.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I "come down" on proselytizing vegans for the same reason I come down on
>>> proselytizing religions fanatics of all superstitions - they invariable
>>> become more and more extreme and turn to violence to try to force their
>>> beliefs on others. This isn't some idle theory either, there are plenty
>>> of documented violent attacks by vegans, just as there are plenty of
>>> documented violent attacks by most every superstition at some point.
>>
>> bloodthirsty vegans? really?
>>
>> blake
>
> Yep, fact.
>
> Take a look at the violent attacks in recent years perpetrated by:
>
> - Religious loons
> - Environmental loons
> - Animal rights (vegan) loons
> - Anti globalization (anarchist) loons
>
> All of these groups have numerous examples of violent attacks trying to
> force their ideology on others.

i don't think you can lump in your average vegan with the nuts from PETA.
and the death toll from vegans is pretty small compared to the religious
loons. more like infinitesimal.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:02:27 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > blake murphy wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:45:57 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dan Abel wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In article >,
> >>>> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Pete C. wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't
> >>>>> > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You do realize that I'm not a moron, right?
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself.
> >>>>
> >>>> Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have
> >>>> come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy
> >>>> about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there
> >>>> are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away.
> >>>> There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three
> >>>> weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his
> >>>> freezer.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I "come down" on proselytizing vegans for the same reason I come down on
> >>> proselytizing religions fanatics of all superstitions - they invariable
> >>> become more and more extreme and turn to violence to try to force their
> >>> beliefs on others. This isn't some idle theory either, there are plenty
> >>> of documented violent attacks by vegans, just as there are plenty of
> >>> documented violent attacks by most every superstition at some point.
> >>
> >> bloodthirsty vegans? really?
> >>
> >> blake
> >
> > Yep, fact.
> >
> > Take a look at the violent attacks in recent years perpetrated by:
> >
> > - Religious loons
> > - Environmental loons
> > - Animal rights (vegan) loons
> > - Anti globalization (anarchist) loons
> >
> > All of these groups have numerous examples of violent attacks trying to
> > force their ideology on others.
>
> i don't think you can lump in your average vegan with the nuts from PETA.
> and the death toll from vegans is pretty small compared to the religious
> loons. more like infinitesimal.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Well, pretty much all the PETA loons are vegan. Their violence and
indeed their existence is relatively recent, so they are on the uphill
slope of increasing violence. The death toll may be low now, but give it
another decade and I expect we will see larger and more violent attacks,
and passive support from many non PETA vegans in very much the same way
we see with the violent religious loons. The religious loons have just
been on their violent upswing for 40 or 50 years longer than the
PETA-vegan loons have.

The exact same pattern can be seen with the environmental loons where
the more radical one got together and group dynamics made them
increasingly radical, they began sliding towards violent attacks, with
each attack serving to further normalize violence for them and thus
ratchet up their violence. Their attacks on housing developments,
fishing vessels, laboratories, and even farms are becoming increasingly
common.