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I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to
do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog ( http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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![]() "Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message ... > I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to do > with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a month > of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only plant-based foods > (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no meat, fish, eggs, or > dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was happy with, but it's up > at my cooking blog ( http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome > suggestions that aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > Serene Wow! no eggs or dairy would do me in. Otherwise the veggie thing sounds wonderful for January. Good luck. Keep us posted how that goes. Janet |
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On Dec 29, 11:55*pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). *It took me a while to make a menu I was > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. I certainly won't mock you!! I have thought about this idea myself...but it would be a really radical jump for me right now. However, I might follow along with you partially, and try up the quota of my vegan meals to much more than I do now, which is very low. Fortunately, I do like tofu and that is vegan. The vegetables and fruits available here are very conducive to eating this way... And I did bring quite a few vegetarian cookbooks with me, and they have a fair amount of vegan recipes. I suspect soup might be a good way to go here, among other things. Christine |
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Serene wrote:
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to do > with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a month > of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only plant-based foods > (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no meat, fish, eggs, or > dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was happy with, but it's up > at my cooking blog ( http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome > suggestions that aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. I'd want much greater variety for breakfast, lunch, and snacks. Will you put soymilk on the cereal? Speaking of soymilk and breakfast, there's a Chinese breakfast you might want to fit into your challenge: A log of deep-fried dough wrapped in a piece of soft bread, which you dunk into hot soymilk with sesame oil and scallion rings. You did write something which I think warrants more examination: "partly as a palate cleanser after a month of eating very meat-centrically." I dispute the implication that eating meat somehow muddies your palate. Bob |
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Serene Vannoy wrote:
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog ( > http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > Serene I could do ovo-lacto vegetarian for a while, but not straight vegan. Still, a good New Year's Resolution for me would be to eat more vegetables and fruit. Hmmmm... I think I'll go and cut up that watermelon that is sitting out in the garage and have some for breakfast. Good luck with your experiment. George L |
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On Dec 30, 2:55*am, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). *It took me a while to make a menu I was > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. Uhhh, cud you be more specific as to where the menu is on your blog? It looks kinda looooong to pore over. TIA. |
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Kalmia wrote to Serene:
> Uhhh, cud you be more specific as to where the menu is on your blog? It > looks kinda looooong to pore over. Click on the link which says, "Wow, that's a lot of menu-geeking!" Bob |
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:55:23 -0800, Serene Vannoy >
wrote: >I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to >do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a >month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only >plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no >meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was >happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog ( >http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that >aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > >Serene Just for information purposes, my wife and I started a weight loss/get healthy regime through a well known company in Feb.2009. We were told to scale back our red meat intake, and eat much more fish and chicken which we did. We went for normal tests during the year, and the doctor mentioned once that my hemoglobin was alittle low. Had more blood blood tests, smears, and other tests in November 2009 near the end of the weight loss program, as the doctor couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin was quite low (110). He told me to ignore the program and start eating my meat again, within two weeks my hemoglobin was at 139, very good is 140. I just had it checked last week and it's at 138. So you eat whatever you want, your body will tell you if it likes what's put in it or not. |
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Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>I welcome suggestions that >aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. Good list. Here are a few things I often do that are not on it: Tofu sandwiches -- can't get much easier than that. Ful. Couscous -- which you did mention; I almost always do it with preserved lemon, either tofu or garbanzo beans, and other veggies, and garnished with harissa. I use veggie stock for the initial couscous liquid, and I like to add Spanish smoked paprika (pimenton). What does "yaki" mean exactly in yaki soba? Great list really. Steve |
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On Dec 29, 11:55 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. Sometimes people equate veg with bland, so here's one I've posted before that is anything but. As usually made it includes ground pork; just omit that for your purposes, the dish will still be good. Spicy Eggplant 'Yuxiang' 3 or 4 Japanese(Chinese) eggplants -- one pound or a little more. Remove stem, do not peel. Cut lengthwise into quarters, then across into about 1" pieces. 1/4 lb. ground pork. Mix with 1 TB sherry and 1 tsp. cornstarch, set aside. [omit this if necessary] 3 quarter-sized slices fresh ginger root, minced. 4 medium garlic cloves, smashed and finely chopped. [Or more--this dish can take all the garlic you want. I used six cloves, but we weren't going out later.] 4 scallions, including about half the green part, cleaned, shredded and cut in lengths of about 1". 1 TB Sichuan chili bean paste. [Note: made of yellow bean paste, chilis, garlic and spices, this is not identical with 'chili sauce' or 'garlic chili sauce'. But if you can't find it, substitute. Ken Hom suggests Satay sauce, a SE Asian version.] optional: 1 or 2 TB Sichuan preserved vegetable 1 tsp, or 3, or to taste, crushed dried red chili flakes. [The dish is supposed to be hot. Don't worry, they won't hide the other flavors.] 1 TB Chinese black vinegar. [Cider vinegar can be substituted, but the black vinegar, aka Chinkiang vinegar, is wonderful. I used 2 TB.] 1 tsp sugar. 2 TB soy sauce. 1/2 to 1 cup chicken stock or water. 1 tsp sesame oil Cooking Heat wok or heavy pan on high heat. When hot, add 2 to 3 TB peanut oil, then the eggplant. Stir fry on medium-high for five or six minutes until eggplant is somewhat darkened and has begun to soften. It will first absorb the oil, then release it. Remove the eggplant. Add 1 TB oil to wok, if necessary. Turn heat up to high. Add the garlic and ginger and half the scallions, stir 30 seconds or so until fragrant, then add the pork. Stir fry until it's brown and crumbly. Add the rest of the ingredients except the sesame oil, give a couple of stirs, add back the eggplant and the broth or water, stir, cover and simmer for about five minutes. You want the eggplant well cooked and soft. Uncover, turn the heat back up, push everything back from the center to make a well for the liquid. Add the sesame oil and some cornstarch slurry, stir to thicken. [You have to judge how much based on how much liquid there is at this point. About 2 tsp cornstarch in 1 TB cold water, maybe. Or just use a scant half cup of broth/water in the first place and don't thicken it.] Serve immediately. [Note for the fat-conscious. This dish, like many from Sichuan, may strike the contemporary American palate as too oily. If this is a concern, Ken Hom suggests baking the eggplant on a baking tray at 350F for 15 minutes. Cool, then cut up. Then omit the step of frying them in oil. Personally, I like the richness of the oil. You can also pour off the fat rendered by the pork before adding the rest of the ingredients. Or, you can omit the pork entirely.] |
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:55:23 -0800, Serene Vannoy wrote:
> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog ( > http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > Serene not exactly on point, but some years ago a group within my bar-fly friends would go on the wagon every january to give their livers a well-deserved rest. i personally thought it was madness, but i was in my twenties then. good luck with your project, and i look forward to reports. your pal, blake |
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On Dec 30, 11:09*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:55:23 -0800, Serene Vannoy wrote: > > I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to > > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a > > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only > > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no > > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). *It took me a while to make a menu I was > > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog ( > >http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that > > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > > Serene > > not exactly on point, but some years ago a group within my bar-fly friends > would go on the wagon every january to give their livers a well-deserved > rest. *i personally thought it was madness, but i was in my twenties then. > > good luck with your project, and i look forward to reports. > > your pal, > blake I'm actually on that wagon, myself. re to the OP, I bet that bacon will be the first meat you crave. I'm not saying you will give in or cheat, just that bacon will be the first one you think of. Good luck with all of it, though. -J |
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George Leppla wrote:
> Hmmmm... I think I'll go and cut up that watermelon that is sitting out > in the garage and have some for breakfast. Mmmmm, watermelon! My kid knows I love watermelon, so she bought me one for Christmas (among other gifts). Sadly, it was terrible, but I choked some down and thanked her profusely, of course. But oh, my, watermelon in December is just not always a very good idea. > Good luck with your experiment. Thanks! Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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Andy wrote:
> Do all the vegan dishes have to be made from scratch or could you use > things like bags of meatless meatballs, etc.? Oh, no, prepared foods are fine, if that floats your boat. And lots of junk foods are vegan (potato chips, etc.), but they're not my go-to food even on a normal day. > > I'd make plenty of pasta in tomato paste and artichoke bottom bits, etc., > etc. Yeah. Pasta is big. Soups, too, and burritos, and stir-fries. My family is used to having meatless versions of "normal" foods; we don't do a lot of fake meats and stuff around here, though we do some. > > I would do OK with real or substitute cauliflower (faux) mashed potatoes, > as long as butter wasn't taboo. Butter's not vegan, but we get by with Earth Balance and olive oil. > I'm not vegan and some of those that I've met who are look not so > healthy. There are certain vitamins and minerals and proteins you just > can't get from eating only veggies. Only Vitamin B-12, and I have to get that injected anyway, because my body (even when I'm eating meat) doesn't synthesize it properly. Everything else is perfectly available to vegans, and B-12 is stored in the body, so unless you've been totally vegan for 10 years, you won't run out. Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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Kalmia wrote:
> On Dec 30, 2:55 am, Serene Vannoy > wrote: >> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to >> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a >> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only >> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no >> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was >> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that >> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > > Uhhh, cud you be more specific as to where the menu is on your blog? > It looks kinda looooong to pore over. > TIA. The first sentence of the first post at the top of that page says "Below the cut at the end of this post are my menus for the 21-day Kickstart". Here's an even more direct link: http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/71289.html#cutid1 Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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On 12/30/2009 11:09 AM, blake murphy wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:55:23 -0800, Serene Vannoy wrote: > >> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to >> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a >> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only >> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no >> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was >> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog ( >> http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that >> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. >> >> Serene > > not exactly on point, but some years ago a group within my bar-fly friends > would go on the wagon every january to give their livers a well-deserved > rest. i personally thought it was madness, but i was in my twenties then. > > good luck with your project, and i look forward to reports. > > your pal, > blake I saw the title to this thread and assumed it was started by Andy (until I paged to the top.) Last year I gave up alcohol for Lent. I'm a Baptist and Lent is not part of my tradition, but it seemed like a good one. I started to give up coffee, but that was just too much. A couple of days after Easter I got out a bottle of high-gravity IPA to break my fast -- and I almost couldn't drink it because it tasted so thick and syrupy. (I thinned it with a little Bud and it was OK :-) The same beer had tasted really good around Christmas / New Years when I was used to it. Bob |
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Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Serene wrote: > >> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to do >> with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a month >> of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only plant-based foods >> (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no meat, fish, eggs, or >> dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was happy with, but it's up >> at my cooking blog ( http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome >> suggestions that aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > I'd want much greater variety for breakfast, lunch, and snacks. Will you put > soymilk on the cereal? Or rice milk or cashew milk, both of which I like more than soymilk. (I will probably eat different things for breakfast on the days when I feel like cooking -- fried potatoes, tofu scramble, etc. -- but monotony doesn't bother me, and having the basic plan for the morning helps, because in the morning, I'm already at work by the time my brain turns on.) > Speaking of soymilk and breakfast, there's a Chinese breakfast you might > want to fit into your challenge: A log of deep-fried dough wrapped in a > piece of soft bread, which you dunk into hot soymilk with sesame oil and > scallion rings. Wow. That sounds fatal. :-) > You did write something which I think warrants more examination: "partly as > a palate cleanser after a month of eating very meat-centrically." I dispute > the implication that eating meat somehow muddies your palate. It may not muddy yours; it does mine (metaphorically, at least). I feel weighed down by it. Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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ffu wrote:
> > So you eat whatever you want, your body will tell you if it likes what's put in > it or not. Truer words were never spoken. Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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Steve Pope wrote:
> Serene Vannoy > wrote: > >> I welcome suggestions that >> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > Good list. Here are a few things I often do that are not > on it: > > Tofu sandwiches -- can't get much easier than that. My family doesn't love tofu the way I do, so I thought I'd spare them for the three weeks. > > Ful. Recipe, please? I make a lot of dals, but I can always use another. > > Couscous -- which you did mention; I almost always do it with > preserved lemon, either tofu or garbanzo beans, and other veggies, > and garnished with harissa. I use veggie stock for the initial > couscous liquid, and I like to add Spanish smoked paprika (pimenton). I don't like smoky things, but that sounds good. I'll try it. > > What does "yaki" mean exactly in yaki soba? Not actually sure. It's what the noodles-and-seasoning thing is called at the store. James has been eating it since before we met, and it's essentially a stir-fried noodle dish with a slightly sweet/salty spice packet. We often discard the packet. > > Great list really. Thanks. Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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aem wrote:
> On Dec 29, 11:55 pm, Serene Vannoy > wrote: >> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to >> do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a >> month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only >> plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no >> meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was >> happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog (http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/). I welcome suggestions that >> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > Sometimes people equate veg with bland, so here's one I've posted > before that is anything but. As usually made it includes ground pork; > just omit that for your purposes, the dish will still be good. > > Spicy Eggplant 'Yuxiang' Cool; thank you! Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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phaeton wrote:
> re to the OP, I bet that bacon will be the first meat you crave. No, it's always shellfish for me, and usually shrimp. Or my mother's cooking (chicken soup, or chopped liver, or italian sausage...) Bacon's never been a huge love of mine. > I'm > not saying you will give in or cheat, just that bacon will be the > first one you think of. > > Good luck with all of it, though. Thanks! Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In article >, > Serene Vannoy > wrote: > >> I welcome suggestions that >> aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > Regardless of my opinion of a strict vegan diet, I would never tell > someone not to do it herself. Thank you. I really wasn't up for one of our arguments today. :-) > Just don't make me do it. :-) I never would. :-) > We eat > meatless at least twice a week, usually, so I have a health collection > of vegetarian recipes. Some of which are or can easily be made vegan. > If any of these sound interesting, let me know and I'll post the > links/recipes. Thanks! Could you post the Jalfrezi and Mejeddarah recipes? I would love that. Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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Kalmia wrote:
> > Uhhh, cud you be more specific as to where the menu is on your blog? > It looks kinda looooong to pore over. I changed it so the link is more obvious; thanks! http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>Steve Pope wrote: >> Ful. >Recipe, please? I make a lot of dals, but I can always use another. Here's my approach: > Many people use more oil than I do, some even approaching a refried-bean texture. Steve |
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Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:56:12 +0000 (UTC), > (Steve Pope) wrote: > > >> Here's my approach: >> >> > >> >> Many people use more oil than I do, some even approaching >> a refried-bean texture. >> >> Steve > > Hmm... > > I am trying to open this, but it won't open with my newsreader. It's a message ID. Plug it into http://al.howardknight.net/ and you'll see the message. Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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Steve Pope wrote:
> Serene Vannoy > wrote: > >> Steve Pope wrote: > >>> Ful. > >> Recipe, please? I make a lot of dals, but I can always use another. > > Here's my approach: > > > > > Many people use more oil than I do, some even approaching > a refried-bean texture. Thanks very much! The ful madammus I've had was closer to a warmed hummus texture, I think, but yes, pretty oily. Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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![]() "Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message ... > Bob Terwilliger wrote: >> Serene wrote: >> >>> I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to >>> do >>> with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a >>> month >>> of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only plant-based >>> foods >>> (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no meat, fish, eggs, or >>> dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was happy with, but it's up >>> at my cooking blog ( http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome >>> suggestions that aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. >> >> I'd want much greater variety for breakfast, lunch, and snacks. Will you >> put >> soymilk on the cereal? > > Or rice milk or cashew milk, both of which I like more than soymilk. (I > will probably eat different things for breakfast on the days when I feel > like cooking -- fried potatoes, tofu scramble, etc. -- but monotony > doesn't bother me, and having the basic plan for the morning helps, > because in the morning, I'm already at work by the time my brain turns > on.) > >> Speaking of soymilk and breakfast, there's a Chinese breakfast you might >> want to fit into your challenge: A log of deep-fried dough wrapped in a >> piece of soft bread, which you dunk into hot soymilk with sesame oil and >> scallion rings. > > Wow. That sounds fatal. :-) > >> You did write something which I think warrants more examination: "partly >> as a palate cleanser after a month of eating very meat-centrically." I >> dispute the implication that eating meat somehow muddies your palate. > > It may not muddy yours; it does mine (metaphorically, at least). I feel > weighed down by it. > > Serene Sounds like a dose or two of vegelax would solve your problem. |
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Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>Steve Pope wrote: >> Many people use more oil than I do, some even approaching >> a refried-bean texture. >Thanks very much! The ful madammus I've had was closer to a warmed >hummus texture, I think, but yes, pretty oily. Yes, when I had it at an Arab restaurant in Singapore it was almost a liquid texture. My version intends to emulate what I've had at Arab restaurants in Brooklyn. Steve |
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![]() Serene Vannoy wrote: > > I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog ( > http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > Serene Meat is plant based food, the meat eats the plants and we eat the meat. |
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Pete C. wrote:
> Meat is plant based food, the meat eats the plants and we eat the meat. Whatever. Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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"Pete C." > wrote: > Serene Vannoy wrote: > > > > I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to > > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a > > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only > > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no > > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was > > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog ( > > http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that > > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > Meat is plant based food, the meat eats the plants and we eat the meat. The next step in the cycle is that we die and are buried in the ground. Our bodies rot, and produce compost that makes the plants grow. The question isn't where the process stops, but where in the cycle we want to be. I personally am going to try to prolong the "living" part. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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![]() Serene Vannoy wrote: > > I'm doing a vegan-challenge thing in January, partly as a fun thing to > do with some of my veg friends, and partly as a palate cleanser after a > month of eating very meat-centrically. Three weeks eating only > plant-based foods (beans, grains, vegetables, fruits, and so on -- no > meat, fish, eggs, or dairy). It took me a while to make a menu I was > happy with, but it's up at my cooking blog ( > http://serenecooking.livejournal.com/ ). I welcome suggestions that > aren't of the "You dumbass; eat meat!" variety. > > Serene You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain. |
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Pete C. wrote:
> You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain. You do realize that I'm not a moron, right? Serene -- "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up, I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory |
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Serene Vannoy > wrote: > Pete C. wrote: > > > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't > > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain. > > You do realize that I'm not a moron, right? I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself. Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away. There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his freezer. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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![]() Dan Abel wrote: > > In article >, > Serene Vannoy > wrote: > > > Pete C. wrote: > > > > > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't > > > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain. > > > > You do realize that I'm not a moron, right? > > I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself. > > Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have > come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy > about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there > are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away. > There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three > weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his > freezer. > I "come down" on proselytizing vegans for the same reason I come down on proselytizing religions fanatics of all superstitions - they invariable become more and more extreme and turn to violence to try to force their beliefs on others. This isn't some idle theory either, there are plenty of documented violent attacks by vegans, just as there are plenty of documented violent attacks by most every superstition at some point. |
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On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:45:57 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
> Dan Abel wrote: >> >> In article >, >> Serene Vannoy > wrote: >> >>> Pete C. wrote: >>> >>> > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't >>> > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain. >>> >>> You do realize that I'm not a moron, right? >> >> I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself. >> >> Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have >> come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy >> about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there >> are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away. >> There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three >> weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his >> freezer. >> > > I "come down" on proselytizing vegans for the same reason I come down on > proselytizing religions fanatics of all superstitions - they invariable > become more and more extreme and turn to violence to try to force their > beliefs on others. This isn't some idle theory either, there are plenty > of documented violent attacks by vegans, just as there are plenty of > documented violent attacks by most every superstition at some point. bloodthirsty vegans? really? blake |
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![]() blake murphy wrote: > > On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:45:57 -0600, Pete C. wrote: > > > Dan Abel wrote: > >> > >> In article >, > >> Serene Vannoy > wrote: > >> > >>> Pete C. wrote: > >>> > >>> > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't > >>> > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain. > >>> > >>> You do realize that I'm not a moron, right? > >> > >> I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself. > >> > >> Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have > >> come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy > >> about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there > >> are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away. > >> There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three > >> weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his > >> freezer. > >> > > > > I "come down" on proselytizing vegans for the same reason I come down on > > proselytizing religions fanatics of all superstitions - they invariable > > become more and more extreme and turn to violence to try to force their > > beliefs on others. This isn't some idle theory either, there are plenty > > of documented violent attacks by vegans, just as there are plenty of > > documented violent attacks by most every superstition at some point. > > bloodthirsty vegans? really? > > blake Yep, fact. Take a look at the violent attacks in recent years perpetrated by: - Religious loons - Environmental loons - Animal rights (vegan) loons - Anti globalization (anarchist) loons All of these groups have numerous examples of violent attacks trying to force their ideology on others. |
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On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:02:27 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
> blake murphy wrote: >> >> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:45:57 -0600, Pete C. wrote: >> >>> Dan Abel wrote: >>>> >>>> In article >, >>>> Serene Vannoy > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pete C. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't >>>>> > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain. >>>>> >>>>> You do realize that I'm not a moron, right? >>>> >>>> I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself. >>>> >>>> Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have >>>> come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy >>>> about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there >>>> are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away. >>>> There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three >>>> weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his >>>> freezer. >>>> >>> >>> I "come down" on proselytizing vegans for the same reason I come down on >>> proselytizing religions fanatics of all superstitions - they invariable >>> become more and more extreme and turn to violence to try to force their >>> beliefs on others. This isn't some idle theory either, there are plenty >>> of documented violent attacks by vegans, just as there are plenty of >>> documented violent attacks by most every superstition at some point. >> >> bloodthirsty vegans? really? >> >> blake > > Yep, fact. > > Take a look at the violent attacks in recent years perpetrated by: > > - Religious loons > - Environmental loons > - Animal rights (vegan) loons > - Anti globalization (anarchist) loons > > All of these groups have numerous examples of violent attacks trying to > force their ideology on others. i don't think you can lump in your average vegan with the nuts from PETA. and the death toll from vegans is pretty small compared to the religious loons. more like infinitesimal. your pal, blake |
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![]() blake murphy wrote: > > On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:02:27 -0600, Pete C. wrote: > > > blake murphy wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:45:57 -0600, Pete C. wrote: > >> > >>> Dan Abel wrote: > >>>> > >>>> In article >, > >>>> Serene Vannoy > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Pete C. wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > You do realize that all the meats we eat are plant based as well don't > >>>>> > you? Plants are at the bottom of the food chain. > >>>>> > >>>>> You do realize that I'm not a moron, right? > >>>> > >>>> I guess not. I'm going to count how many times he repeats himself. > >>>> > >>>> Funny thing is, several people on this group (and in my real life), have > >>>> come down on vegetarians, and especially vegans, as being really pushy > >>>> about their beliefs. That hasn't been my experience, but I'm sure there > >>>> are some. Still, what's Pete's problem? He's a thousand miles away. > >>>> There's not going to be some huge glut of meat in Texas the next three > >>>> weeks. And if there was, he could just buy some and stick it in his > >>>> freezer. > >>>> > >>> > >>> I "come down" on proselytizing vegans for the same reason I come down on > >>> proselytizing religions fanatics of all superstitions - they invariable > >>> become more and more extreme and turn to violence to try to force their > >>> beliefs on others. This isn't some idle theory either, there are plenty > >>> of documented violent attacks by vegans, just as there are plenty of > >>> documented violent attacks by most every superstition at some point. > >> > >> bloodthirsty vegans? really? > >> > >> blake > > > > Yep, fact. > > > > Take a look at the violent attacks in recent years perpetrated by: > > > > - Religious loons > > - Environmental loons > > - Animal rights (vegan) loons > > - Anti globalization (anarchist) loons > > > > All of these groups have numerous examples of violent attacks trying to > > force their ideology on others. > > i don't think you can lump in your average vegan with the nuts from PETA. > and the death toll from vegans is pretty small compared to the religious > loons. more like infinitesimal. > > your pal, > blake Well, pretty much all the PETA loons are vegan. Their violence and indeed their existence is relatively recent, so they are on the uphill slope of increasing violence. The death toll may be low now, but give it another decade and I expect we will see larger and more violent attacks, and passive support from many non PETA vegans in very much the same way we see with the violent religious loons. The religious loons have just been on their violent upswing for 40 or 50 years longer than the PETA-vegan loons have. The exact same pattern can be seen with the environmental loons where the more radical one got together and group dynamics made them increasingly radical, they began sliding towards violent attacks, with each attack serving to further normalize violence for them and thus ratchet up their violence. Their attacks on housing developments, fishing vessels, laboratories, and even farms are becoming increasingly common. |
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