blake murphy wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:51:03 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Contrary to what Michael K. wrote, the USA sets the *standard* for
>>>> world pop/mass consumer culture - like it or not...in fact
>>>> "culture" is our biggest "export", e.g. movies, music, teevee,
>>>> blue jeans, internet/computer stuff and many other things. Even
>>>> fast food - France is McDonald's biggest market outside of the US,
>>>> and it's not Yanqui tourists on the Champs Elysee buying all those
>>>> Le Big Macs...political revolutions/change used to be the murky
>>>> stuff of sekret agents and microfilm and backstabbery, now it's
>>>> for all the world to see on Twitter (as in Iran). Rock music
>>>> played an integral part in doing in Soviet - style
>>>> Kommunism...repressive ******** places like Cuba have *thriving*
>>>> hip - hop music scenes, there are many other examples. Laff all ya
>>>> want, but the US is - and will continue to be - THE most
>>>> culturally and intellectually dynamic place in the world, no other
>>>> place even comes *close*...and THAT is a FACT, son...!!!
>>>
>>> on the other hand, we also had pat boone and the carpenters.
>>>
>>
>> Poor Greg is delusional. American pop music of the 50s sucked big
>> time. It was the British invasion that popularized the music that
>> was shunned in the US because is black music. Britain gave us the
>> Beatles and the American answer was The Monkees. How lame can you
>> get? Cuba had a pretty lively entertainment business before the US
>> got its nose out of joint when they traded in one corrupt dictator
>> for Castro.
>
> i ain't knocking the ex-quarrymen - they put out some great singles.
> anyone responsible for 'drive my car' and 'taxman' commands respect -
> but the fact remains that jazz, blues, and later rock 'n' roll were
> american inventions, and therefore USA Number One!!!!eleventy!!
>

Dave being a moron and all he forgets that rock, blues, and jazz were all
*American* inventions...Brits and others were inspired and "ran with it" so
to speak...

The US pop scene in the 50's was fairly dire although you had some good
artists like Sinatra, Peggy Lee, Nat 'King' Cole, etc. putting stuff out.
Pretty much the consensus of why Ampop sucked so bad is a DIRTY two letter
phrase: "Mitch Miller". As head of A&R at Columbia Records it's as if he
single - handedly set out to *destroy* US pop music. He's been derided by
everyone who recorded at Columbia at the time: Sinatra, Rosemary Clooney,
Tony Bennett, Jo Stafford, Doris Day...he forced great artists to record the
very worst sort of novelty tune pabulum. As Jo Stafford once said to an
interviewer. "Have you ever heard my recording of _Underneath The Overpass_?
You don't want to, it was Mitch Miller's idea...". Pretty much the nadir of
this era was Mitch forcing Sinatra to put out the novelty ditty, _Mama Won't
Bark_...with the sound effect of a *real* dog barking, lol. Rosemay Clooney
HATE HATE HATED _Come On A My House_, that song ****ed her off until her
death, mainly because for many it was considered the penultimate Clooney
song, she was ALWAYS asked to sing it even in her later years. Another was
when _The Woody Woodpecker_ song hit #1 and Frank was forced to perform it
on the _Your Hit Parade_ radio show...there are million other examples of
this pop chicanery, all largely the result of MITCH MILLER's EVIL (who BTW
was a classically - trained oboist and in private he derided all the krap he
put out).

==>> although I adore Woody Woodpecker


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Nancy2 wrote:

> On Jan 10, 11:51 am, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>>> Contrary to what Michael K. wrote, the USA sets the *standard* for
>>>> world pop/mass consumer culture - like it or not...in fact
>>>> "culture" is our biggest "export", e.g. movies, music, teevee,
>>>> blue jeans, internet/computer stuff and many other things. Even
>>>> fast food - France is McDonald's biggest market outside of the US,
>>>> and it's not Yanqui tourists on the Champs Elysee buying all those
>>>> Le Big Macs...political revolutions/change used to be the murky
>>>> stuff of sekret agents and microfilm and backstabbery, now it's
>>>> for all the world to see on Twitter (as in Iran). Rock music
>>>> played an integral part in doing in Soviet - style
>>>> Kommunism...repressive ******** places like Cuba have *thriving*
>>>> hip - hop music scenes, there are many other examples. Laff all ya
>>>> want, but the US is - and will continue to be - THE most
>>>> culturally and intellectually dynamic place in the world, no other
>>>> place even comes *close*...and THAT is a FACT, son...!!!
>>
>>> on the other hand, we also had pat boone and the carpenters.
>>
>> Poor Greg is delusional. American pop music of the 50s sucked big
>> time.
>> It was the British invasion that popularized the music that was
>> shunned
>> in the US because is black music. Britain gave us the Beatles and the
>> American answer was The Monkees. How lame can you get? Cuba had a
>> pretty lively entertainment business before the US got its nose out
>> of
>> joint when they traded in one corrupt dictator for Castro.- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> American rock 'n roll of the 50s was the best, and there will never be
> anything like it.


I always love to watch the opening of the 1955 film _The Blackboard Jungle_
with Bill Haley and the Comets in the background - you think, "This is when
it started to happen...". Just knocks me out...


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On 1/11/2010 9:44 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> On Jan 10, 11:51 am, Dave > wrote:
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>>> Contrary to what Michael K. wrote, the USA sets the *standard* for world
>>>> pop/mass consumer culture - like it or not...in fact "culture" is our
>>>> biggest "export", e.g. movies, music, teevee, blue jeans, internet/computer
>>>> stuff and many other things. Even fast food - France is McDonald's biggest
>>>> market outside of the US, and it's not Yanqui tourists on the Champs Elysee
>>>> buying all those Le Big Macs...political revolutions/change used to be the
>>>> murky stuff of sekret agents and microfilm and backstabbery, now it's for
>>>> all the world to see on Twitter (as in Iran). Rock music played an integral
>>>> part in doing in Soviet - style Kommunism...repressive ******** places like
>>>> Cuba have *thriving* hip - hop music scenes, there are many other examples.
>>>> Laff all ya want, but the US is - and will continue to be - THE most
>>>> culturally and intellectually dynamic place in the world, no other place
>>>> even comes *close*...and THAT is a FACT, son...!!!
>>
>>> on the other hand, we also had pat boone and the carpenters.
>>
>> Poor Greg is delusional. American pop music of the 50s sucked big time.
>> It was the British invasion that popularized the music that was shunned
>> in the US because is black music. Britain gave us the Beatles and the
>> American answer was The Monkees. How lame can you get? Cuba had a
>> pretty lively entertainment business before the US got its nose out of
>> joint when they traded in one corrupt dictator for Castro.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> American rock 'n roll of the 50s was the best, and there will never be
> anything like it.
>
> N.

One of these days the Tielman Brothers will get the recognition they
deserve. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvC2_nsVJv0

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
m:

>>> Rock music played an integral
>>> part in doing in Soviet - style Kommunism...repressive ********
>>> places like Cuba have *thriving* hip - hop music scenes, there are
>>> many other examples.

Are you claiming to have invented music? I guess when you are a member of
a narcissist society, you must think your navel is the source of everything
even when it isn't.

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Michel Boucher wrote:

> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
> m:
>
>>>> Rock music played an integral
>>>> part in doing in Soviet - style Kommunism...repressive ********
>>>> places like Cuba have *thriving* hip - hop music scenes, there are
>>>> many other examples.
>
> Are you claiming to have invented music? I guess when you are a
> member of a narcissist society, you must think your navel is the
> source of everything even when it isn't.


Rock music evetnually became "universal", not just American...ask Vaclav
Havel.


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"blake murphy" schrieb :
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:35:54 +0100, Michael Kuettner wrote:
>
>> "blake murphy" schrieb :
>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:43:44 +0100, Michael Kuettner wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> Yeah, and that led to Graceland ;-)
>>>> Anyway, the Stones are better.
>>>>
>>>> Your pal,
>>>> Keith
>>>
>>> pish-tosh. muddy waters and howlin' wolf rip-offs. (this may be a
>>> minority view, but i think waters is one of the finest slide guitarists
>>> ever.)
>>>
>> Waters ? He couldn't play a slide ruler, let alone a guitar.
>>
>> Your pal,
>> Carlos
>
> of course you realize this means war.
>
Yes, I know. But I just couldn't resist ....
Plus : Howlin' Wolf just howled because he cut his fingers
on the guitar whenever he tried to play it ;-)

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:11:02 +0100, Michael Kuettner wrote:

> "blake murphy" schrieb :
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:35:54 +0100, Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>
>>> "blake murphy" schrieb :
>>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:43:44 +0100, Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>> Yeah, and that led to Graceland ;-)
>>>>> Anyway, the Stones are better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your pal,
>>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> pish-tosh. muddy waters and howlin' wolf rip-offs. (this may be a
>>>> minority view, but i think waters is one of the finest slide guitarists
>>>> ever.)
>>>>
>>> Waters ? He couldn't play a slide ruler, let alone a guitar.
>>>
>>> Your pal,
>>> Carlos
>>
>> of course you realize this means war.
>>
> Yes, I know. But I just couldn't resist ....
> Plus : Howlin' Wolf just howled because he cut his fingers
> on the guitar whenever he tried to play it ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael Kuettner

i won't vouch for wolf's guitar playing. most of the outlandish stuff came
from hubert sumlin, one of his sidemen.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Sumlin>

your pal,
blake