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I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing
a water softener. Actually, they're using the old tank but replacing the head and the resin beads. As they were dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck at the bottom of the tank. They didn't comment on that. I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through that crap. When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street had a water softener at his house. I always thought the water tasted terrible over there. Borderline undrinkable. |
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:51:19 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote: >I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing >a water softener. Actually, they're using the old tank >but replacing the head and the resin beads. As they were >dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck >at the bottom of the tank. They didn't comment on that. >I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through >that crap. > >When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street >had a water softener at his house. I always thought >the water tasted terrible over there. Borderline >undrinkable. Softened water is in no way filtered water nore does it remove bacteria, likely needed a pre filter for removing sediment and the entire system needed to be shocked to disinfect the system... most everyone has dirty pipes. Should have replaced the entire water softener, the new ones with modern microprocessors instead of thye old style mechanical timers are far more efficient, they use half as much salt. And hardly anyone with a water softener drinks the softened water, there's is nothing wrong with it when functioning properly but people who can afford a softener install an RO filter too. When water tastes strange, has strange odors, and strange appearance, a hydro specialist should be consulted... all those problems can be easily rectified. |
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Mark Thorson > wrote in :
> I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing > a water softener. Actually, they're using the old tank > but replacing the head and the resin beads. As they were > dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck > at the bottom of the tank. They didn't comment on that. > I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through > that crap. The "black muck" was most likely carbon, which is used in most filters. I also use it to filter my ethanol, before I turn it into all sorts of wonderful smooth booze. > > When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street > had a water softener at his house. I always thought > the water tasted terrible over there. Borderline > undrinkable. > One reason I now have a AWG (atmospheric water generator). With 7 sorts of filters on it, the water coming out of the spout is just that, water... no additives, no chemicals. It's even cleaner than rainwater. I can actually hook it up to the town water supply and filter that, but the filters will only last about 1/3 of the time as they are now. That's because they have sooooooooooo much more crap to filter out of the town "drinking water". -- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia Mary had a little lamb her father shot it dead. Now it goes to school with her between two chunks of bread. |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing > a water softener. Actually, they're using the old tank > but replacing the head and the resin beads. As they were > dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck > at the bottom of the tank. They didn't comment on that. > I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through > that crap. > > When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street > had a water softener at his house. I always thought > the water tasted terrible over there. Borderline > undrinkable. The proper setup is to use softened water for washing, the hard water for drinking, but it may still need filtering of some sort. Softened water is usually a bit higher in sodium content and avoided for that reason. Water should be tested to determine what is really needed. Many have a sediment filter as the first step to remove particulates, rust, sand, and so forth. The softener is designed to removed the dissolved solids. Can't say what the back much was, but it may have well been a buildup of gunk from years of use. If you get a buildup of minerals on the toilet bowls, you are drinking that stuff too if not removed first. That does not mean it is harmful though. |
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PLucas wrote:
> > Mark Thorson > wrote in : > > > I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing > > a water softener. Actually, they're using the old tank > > but replacing the head and the resin beads. As they were > > dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck > > at the bottom of the tank. They didn't comment on that. > > I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through > > that crap. > > The "black muck" was most likely carbon, which is used in most filters. But carbon is usually a replacable cartridge, not a layer under the resin beads, because the carbon gets used up. The resin beads are recharged with a brine and reuseable for many cycles. |
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:51:19 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote: >I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing >a water softener. Actually, they're using the old tank >but replacing the head and the resin beads. As they were >dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck >at the bottom of the tank. They didn't comment on that. >I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through >that crap. > >When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street >had a water softener at his house. I always thought >the water tasted terrible over there. Borderline >undrinkable. Ideally, softened water should only go to your water heater. Softened water shouln't be used for cooking or drinking. There's too much residual sodium in the water after softening. |
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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message ... > I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing > a water softener. Actually, they're using the old tank > but replacing the head and the resin beads. As they were > dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck > at the bottom of the tank. They didn't comment on that. > I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through > that crap. > > When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street > had a water softener at his house. I always thought > the water tasted terrible over there. Borderline > undrinkable. use potassium instead of salt. a bit more expensive, but leaves the sodium taste out. an r/o as mentioned is ideal. |
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:39:44 -0700, "<RJ>" > wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:51:19 -0800, Mark Thorson > >wrote: > >>I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing >>a water softener. Actually, they're using the old tank >>but replacing the head and the resin beads. As they were >>dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck >>at the bottom of the tank. They didn't comment on that. >>I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through >>that crap. >> >>When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street >>had a water softener at his house. I always thought >>the water tasted terrible over there. Borderline >>undrinkable. > >Ideally, softened water should only go to your water heater. > >Softened water shouln't be used for cooking or drinking. >There's too much residual sodium in the water after softening. > Imbecile. |
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:51:41 -0500, "skeeter" > wrote:
> >"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message ... >> I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing >> a water softener. Actually, they're using the old tank >> but replacing the head and the resin beads. As they were >> dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck >> at the bottom of the tank. They didn't comment on that. >> I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through >> that crap. >> >> When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street >> had a water softener at his house. I always thought >> the water tasted terrible over there. Borderline >> undrinkable. > >use potassium instead of salt. a bit more expensive, but leaves the sodium >taste out. Moroon. |
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:31:13 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>In article >, > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote: > >> Mark Thorson wrote: > >> > When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street >> > had a water softener at his house. I always thought >> > the water tasted terrible over there. Borderline >> > undrinkable. >> >> The proper setup is to use softened water for washing, the hard water for >> drinking, but it may still need filtering of some sort. > >Soft water doesn't taste any better than the hard water it was made from. > >> Softened water is >> usually a bit higher in sodium content and avoided for that reason. > >If it isn't a whole lot higher, than you didn't need a water softener to >begin with. Hard water just means that there is calcium and magnesium >in there. That doesn't work well with soap. The water softener simply >replaces the calcium and magnesium with sodium. Ignoranus douchebag. |
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On Jan 10, 1:51*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing > a water softener. *Actually, they're using the old tank > but replacing the head and the resin beads. *As they were > dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck > at the bottom of the tank. *They didn't comment on that. > I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through > that crap. > > When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street > had a water softener at his house. *I always thought > the water tasted terrible over there. *Borderline > undrinkable. You're not supposed to drink soft water - usually, the setup excludes the kitchen/cold water from the soft water system. Soft water is best for laundry, bathing, washing hair, etc. Drinking it is not the recommended usage - I never use anything but kitchen/cold in my cooking, either. I have to have a separate softener because the water in my area is so hard. N. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:54:37 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote: >On Jan 10, 1:51*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote: >> I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing >> a water softener. *Actually, they're using the old tank >> but replacing the head and the resin beads. *As they were >> dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck >> at the bottom of the tank. *They didn't comment on that. >> I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through >> that crap. >> >> When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street >> had a water softener at his house. *I always thought >> the water tasted terrible over there. *Borderline >> undrinkable. > >You're not supposed to drink soft water - usually, the setup excludes >the kitchen/cold water from the soft water system. Soft water is best >for laundry, bathing, washing hair, etc. Drinking it is not the >recommended usage - Horsepucky. Water softeners do not add salt to water, in fact if there is salt normally present in ones domestic water (common with private wells) the softener will remove that salt too same time as other hardness elements are removed. That water softeners add salt to water is pure myth and a big pack of lies... the only time a water softener can add salt is if it is malfunctioning, usually due to one not performing periodic maintenence or it was never properly installed to begin with, which is common with DIYers, who among other things omit the flow check valves. The brine is used only during each periodic cycle to wash the pellets of minerals and then is flushed out as grey water... anyone who claims their water softener puts salt in their water then so does their waste water enter their drinking water. No brine enters the house plumbing. Only the water at hose bibs is not softened (or otherwise treated/filtered), it's stupid to soften water one will squirt on the ground to water plants same as it is to waste ones filtering capacities treating water for say sediment/odors that goes back onto the ground. Although some auto fanatics do have an outside hose bib they use to wash their car to prevent spotting... I bet Jay Leno uses sotened water for his cars first, before his wife's baths. >I never use anything but kitchen/cold in my >cooking, either. I have to have a separate softener because the water >in my area is so hard. > If you have hard water and not softening your kitchen cold water what makes you think that water isn't just as hard. Water softeners do not add anthing, they only take away... only the pinheaded ignoranuses believe water softeners add salt. Anyone in a hard water area and is using a hot water heater and is heating their home with a hot water system and is not using a water softener is very likely using twice as much fuel (and probably more) to heat and will have extra repair bills due to mineral build up inside all parts containing water. Water softeners save more on cleaning products alone than they cost to install and operate... not to mention labor and time saved. |
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On Jan 12, 1:23*pm, brooklyn1 > wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:54:37 -0800 (PST), Nancy2 > > > > > > > wrote: > >On Jan 10, 1:51*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote: > >> I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing > >> a water softener. *Actually, they're using the old tank > >> but replacing the head and the resin beads. *As they were > >> dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck > >> at the bottom of the tank. *They didn't comment on that. > >> I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through > >> that crap. > > >> When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street > >> had a water softener at his house. *I always thought > >> the water tasted terrible over there. *Borderline > >> undrinkable. > > >You're not supposed to drink soft water - usually, the setup excludes > >the kitchen/cold water from the soft water system. *Soft water is best > >for laundry, bathing, washing hair, etc. *Drinking it is not the > >recommended usage - > > Horsepucky. *Water softeners do not add salt to water Of course they do. You must be thinking of reverse osmosis filters, not water softeners. They exchange sodium for calcium and magnesium. It was my job to fill the salt tank at the resort I worked at. --Bryan |
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> >I never use anything but kitchen/cold in my > >cooking, either. *I have to have a separate softener because the water > >in my area is so hard. > > If you have hard water and not softening your kitchen cold water what > makes you think that water isn't just as hard. *Water softeners do not > add anthing, they only take away... only the pinheaded ignoranuses > believe water softeners add salt. > The kitchen cold IS hard; it is excluded from the system in the way the pipes were run in my house - at the recommendation of the commercial installer. Maybe you'd like to take up your ideas with the installer. I never said that softeners added salt. Your attribute is wrong. N. |
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Bryan wrote:
>brooklyn1 wrote: >>Nancy2 wrote: >> >Mark Thorson wrote: >> >> I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing >> >> a water softener. *Actually, they're using the old tank >> >> but replacing the head and the resin beads. *As they were >> >> dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck >> >> at the bottom of the tank. *They didn't comment on that. >> >> I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through >> >> that crap. >> >> >> When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street >> >> had a water softener at his house. *I always thought >> >> the water tasted terrible over there. *Borderline >> >> undrinkable. >> >> >You're not supposed to drink soft water - usually, the setup excludes >> >the kitchen/cold water from the soft water system. *Soft water is best >> >for laundry, bathing, washing hair, etc. *Drinking it is not the >> >recommended usage - >> >> Horsepucky. *Water softeners do not add salt to water > >Of course they do. You must be thinking of reverse osmosis filters, >not water softeners. They exchange sodium for calcium and magnesium. Water softeners do not exchange minerals for salt. Brine enters the softener tank only (in concentration set based on hardness testing and at times set by a clock and gallons used, typically after every 3,000 gallons and in the middle of the night to prevent pressure drops), and removes the minerals collected by the beads, and minerals and brine - salt is a mineral - is flushed out as grey water... none of the grey water enters the domestic water. Salt can only enter the water system (along with the minerals) when the unit is malfunctioning. Also many folks run a water softener for many years way past its usefulness, they continue to feed it salt in greater adn great quantity but it is no longer removing minerals because the beads that attract minerals have been spent... all they are doing is wasting money by dumping salt out as grey water. The life of a water softener is about 10-15 years depending on model and water hardness. It really doesn't pay to recharge the softener with new beads because all the other parts are probably worn and/or ready to die and over time the new softeners become more and more efficient. It's important to test for water hardness regularly so that one can tell when recalibration of brine concentration needs to be increased and when a point is reached when the unit is no longer operating efficiently that the price of the salt used is more than the cost of a new unit. When water tastes awful or is stinkly or contains excessive bacteria that is not the fault of the softener, softeners only remove minerals, they do nothing to remove sediment, improve water taste, eliminate odors, or in any way disinfect water. >It was my job to fill the salt tank at the resort I worked at. So, do you really think folks would pay good money to patronize a resort if their water was loaded with salt?? duh It was your job to shovel salt because OBVIOUSLY you're too stupid to do anything more elaborate... what a moroon. Many folks knock water softens by saying they make water salty, but that is just ignorance and sour grapes, those are the cheapo peon *******s who don't want to pay the dollars for a softener... and usually poor schnooks who live in a dinky apt so they have no way to dispose of the grey water anyway. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:25:03 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote: > >> >I never use anything but kitchen/cold in my >> >cooking, either. *I have to have a separate softener because the water >> >in my area is so hard. >> >> If you have hard water and not softening your kitchen cold water what >> makes you think that water isn't just as hard. *Water softeners do not >> add anthing, they only take away... only the pinheaded ignoranuses >> believe water softeners add salt. >> > >The kitchen cold IS hard; it is excluded from the system in the way >the pipes were run in my house - at the recommendation of the >commercial installer. Maybe you'd like to take up your ideas with the >installer. > >I never said that softeners added salt. Your attribute is wrong. > How water softeners work http://home.howstuffworks.com/question99.htm -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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brooklyn1 wrote:
> > Bryan wrote: > >brooklyn1 wrote: > >> Horsepucky. Water softeners do not add salt to water > > > >Of course they do. You must be thinking of reverse osmosis filters, > >not water softeners. They exchange sodium for calcium and magnesium. > > Water softeners do not exchange minerals for salt. Brine enters the > softener tank only (in concentration set based on hardness testing and > at times set by a clock and gallons used, typically after every 3,000 > gallons and in the middle of the night to prevent pressure drops), and > removes the minerals collected by the beads, and minerals and brine - > salt is a mineral - is flushed out as grey water... none of the grey > water enters the domestic water. Salt can only enter the water > system (along with the minerals) when the unit is malfunctioning. Also The function of the brine is to displace the minerals collected by the resin. Resins have functional groups which can bind metals like iron and sodium. A recharged resin will be holding sodium on those groups, and the metals in water have higher affinity for those groups than sodium, so they displace the sodium (which then goes into the house water). When the resin becomes loaded with metals, the brine recharges the resin by displacing the metals with sodium. Even though the metals have higher affinity for the resin, you overcome that by using a much higher concentration of sodium, i.e. the brine. Most of the brine (along with the metals) is flushed to wastewater. The sodium held by the recharged resin ends up in the house water. |
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>, --Bryan > wrote: > On Jan 12, 1:23*pm, brooklyn1 > wrote: > > > wrote: > > >On Jan 10, 1:51*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote: > > >> I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing > > >> a water softener. *Actually, they're using the old tank > > >> but replacing the head and the resin beads. *As they were > > >> dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck > > >> at the bottom of the tank. *They didn't comment on that. > > >> I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through > > >> that crap. > > > > >> When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street > > >> had a water softener at his house. *I always thought > > >> the water tasted terrible over there. *Borderline > > >> undrinkable. > > > > >You're not supposed to drink soft water - usually, the setup excludes > > >the kitchen/cold water from the soft water system. *Soft water is best > > >for laundry, bathing, washing hair, etc. *Drinking it is not the > > >recommended usage - > > > > Horsepucky. *Water softeners do not add salt to water When people talk about consuming salt, they are really referring to "sodium". Some foods contain sodium, but most of the sodium we consume comes from salt. Thus, the words "sodium" and "salt" are sometimes used almost interchangeably when talking about diet. > Of course they do. For all intents and purposes, yes. Technically, no. > You must be thinking of reverse osmosis filters, > not water softeners. They exchange sodium for calcium and magnesium. > It was my job to fill the salt tank at the resort I worked at. The salt is where the water softener gets the sodium. Soft water has more sodium than the hard water that went into the water softener. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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On Jan 12, 5:28*pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article > >, > > > > > > *--Bryan > wrote: > > On Jan 12, 1:23*pm, brooklyn1 > wrote: > > > > wrote: > > > >On Jan 10, 1:51*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote: > > > >> I'm watching Ask This Old House, and they're replacing > > > >> a water softener. *Actually, they're using the old tank > > > >> but replacing the head and the resin beads. *As they were > > > >> dumping out the old beads, there was all this black muck > > > >> at the bottom of the tank. *They didn't comment on that. > > > >> I'd hate to think of my drinking water passing through > > > >> that crap. > > > > >> When I was a kid, a friend of mine across the street > > > >> had a water softener at his house. *I always thought > > > >> the water tasted terrible over there. *Borderline > > > >> undrinkable. > > > > >You're not supposed to drink soft water - usually, the setup excludes > > > >the kitchen/cold water from the soft water system. *Soft water is best > > > >for laundry, bathing, washing hair, etc. *Drinking it is not the > > > >recommended usage - > > > > Horsepucky. *Water softeners do not add salt to water > > When people talk about consuming salt, they are really referring to > "sodium". *Some foods contain sodium, but most of the sodium we consume > comes from salt. *Thus, the words "sodium" and "salt" are sometimes used > almost interchangeably when talking about diet. And that is indeed what I did. > > > Of course they do. * > > For all intents and purposes, yes. *Technically, no. You mean that there are no additional chloride ions added by the softener, and that the sodium is in the form of carbonate, since it has replaced the calcium or magnesium in their carbonate salts. > > > You must be thinking of reverse osmosis filters, > > not water softeners. *They exchange sodium for calcium and magnesium. > > It was my job to fill the salt tank at the resort I worked at. > > The salt is where the water softener gets the sodium. *Soft water has > more sodium than the hard water that went into the water softener. > > -- > Dan Abel --Bryan |
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--Bryan wrote:
> > You mean that there are no additional chloride ions added by the > softener, and that the sodium is in the form of carbonate, since it > has replaced the calcium or magnesium in their carbonate salts. The counterion for the sodium is an anionic group attached to the polymer backbone of the resin beads. That part is permanently attached to the bead. Sometimes it has sodium on it, and sometimes it has a metal ion like iron on it. In dilute solution, iron (or other undesirable metals) can displace sodium from that site. This liberates sodium with whatever the iron's counterion was to travel down the pipe to the consumers of soft water. In brine, the massive sodium concentration drives the iron (or other ions) off the sites. During the regeneration cycle, the brine and stuff trapped on the resin goes to wastewater. |
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>, --Bryan > wrote: > On Jan 12, 5:28*pm, Dan Abel > wrote: > > When people talk about consuming salt, they are really referring to > > "sodium". *Some foods contain sodium, but most of the sodium we consume > > comes from salt. *Thus, the words "sodium" and "salt" are sometimes used > > almost interchangeably when talking about diet. > > And that is indeed what I did. > > > > > Of course they do. * > > > > For all intents and purposes, yes. *Technically, no. > > You mean that there are no additional chloride ions added by the > softener, and that the sodium is in the form of carbonate, since it > has replaced the calcium or magnesium in their carbonate salts. I learned something new just now. I didn't know what the other "half" of the calcium and magnesium ions were. Here's more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water > > > You must be thinking of reverse osmosis filters, > > > not water softeners. *They exchange sodium for calcium and magnesium. > > > It was my job to fill the salt tank at the resort I worked at. > > > > The salt is where the water softener gets the sodium. *Soft water has > > more sodium than the hard water that went into the water softener. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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sf > wrote:
> >How water softeners work >http://home.howstuffworks.com/question99.htm That's much more an over simplified course on how to install a water softener than it is about how water softeners work. The thing to keep in mind is that virtually all tap water contains salt. In the process of softening water whatever miniscule quantity of salt a softener may add it's less than it removes so the net result is that ones tap water will contain less salt after softening... and we're talking about 10 mg or less per liter, which is less salt than is contained in a liter bottle of sody pop that's permitted to list 0 mg sodium. Virtually all naturally ocurring water on the planet contains salt, even rain water. Technically a water softener can add some salt, but less than it removes. A human being can't drink enough softened tap water to even come close to ingesting too much salt. We get our salt from food, all food naturally contains salt, and of course from salt shakers. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:32:01 -0500, brooklyn1
> wrote: >sf > wrote: >> >>How water softeners work >>http://home.howstuffworks.com/question99.htm > >That's much more an over simplified course on how to install a water >softener than it is about how water softeners work. > >The thing to keep in mind is that virtually all tap water contains >salt. In the process of softening water whatever miniscule quantity >of salt a softener may add it's less than it removes so the net result >is that ones tap water will contain less salt after softening... and >we're talking about 10 mg or less per liter, which is less salt than >is contained in a liter bottle of sody pop that's permitted to list 0 >mg sodium. Virtually all naturally ocurring water on the > planet contains salt, even rain water. Technically a water softener >can add some salt, but less than it removes. A human being can't >drink enough softened tap water to even come close to ingesting too >much salt. We get our salt from food, all food naturally contains >salt, and of course from salt shakers. > Water softeners that use rock salt will add sodium to the water, period. Each gram of magnesium ions present in hard water will result in 1.89 g of sodium ions replacing the magnesium. Each gram of calcium ions, 1.15 grams of sodium ions. That's why it's called "ion exchange." As others have noted, use of potassium chloride in the water softener in place of sodium chloride will give a mixture of sodium and potassium ions in the water---somewhat better for consumption. Moderately hard water may contain about 100 mg of Ca ions per liter. After ion exchange that water will contain about 115 mg of sodium ions per liter. Some water in the US contains up to 250 mg of Ca ions per liter... From Wikipedia: A paper by Kansas State University gives an example: "A person who drinks two litres (2L) of softened, extremely hard water (assume 30 gpg) will consume about 480 mg more sodium (2L x 30 gpg x 8 mg/L/gpg = 480 mg), than if unsoftened water is consumed." This is a significant amount, as they state: "The American Heart Association (AHA) suggests that the 3 percent of the population who must follow a severe, salt-restricted diet should not consume more than 400 mg of sodium a day. AHA suggests that no more than 10 percent of this sodium intake should come from water. The EPA’s draft guideline of 20 mg/L for water protects people who are most susceptible." "gpg" is grains per gallon, I think. All these damn different units... Terry |
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On Jan 14, 12:21*pm, Terry > wrote:
"The American Heart Association > (AHA) suggests that the 3 percent of the population who must follow a > severe, salt-restricted diet should not consume more than 400 mg of > sodium a day. Sounds like it's a non-issue for the other 97% of the population. I'll continue to consume salt in copious quantities. When we had a well and a water softener, the damned thing seemed to make magnesium sulfate. We ingested the softened water only when it wouldn't affect the taste of the food. That morning cup of coffee had a real effect. Cindy Hamilton |
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>, Cindy Hamilton > wrote: > On Jan 14, 12:21*pm, Terry > wrote: > "The American Heart Association > > (AHA) suggests that the 3 percent of the population who must follow a > > severe, salt-restricted diet should not consume more than 400 mg of > > sodium a day. > > Sounds like it's a non-issue for the other 97% of the population. Doesn't sound that way to me. This cite: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/hbp/prevent/sodium/sodium.htm Says that a maximum of 2400mg of sodium is recommended for most people. Those with high blood pressure may have their doctor recommend cutting back to 1500mg. The previous poster said just 2 liters of softened water may contain 480mg more sodium than the hard water. That seems significant to me, especially since there is no taste benefit to soft water. > I'll continue to consume salt in copious quantities. I'm trying to cut back, or at least feel a little guilty when I eat that big dill pickle! :-) -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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Dan Abel wrote: > > In article > >, > Cindy Hamilton > wrote: > > > On Jan 14, 12:21 pm, Terry > wrote: > > "The American Heart Association > > > (AHA) suggests that the 3 percent of the population who must follow a > > > severe, salt-restricted diet should not consume more than 400 mg of > > > sodium a day. > > > > Sounds like it's a non-issue for the other 97% of the population. > > Doesn't sound that way to me. This cite: > > http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/hbp/prevent/sodium/sodium.htm > > Says that a maximum of 2400mg of sodium is recommended for most people. > Those with high blood pressure may have their doctor recommend cutting > back to 1500mg. The previous poster said just 2 liters of softened > water may contain 480mg more sodium than the hard water. That seems > significant to me, especially since there is no taste benefit to soft > water. > > > I'll continue to consume salt in copious quantities. > > I'm trying to cut back, or at least feel a little guilty when I eat that > big dill pickle! > > :-) My GP/FP is 'threatening' me with meds for my BP, which has crept up in the past year. It's still lower than what would be considered high in the US, but it's a warning sign. Since my father's high BP was susceptible to salt intake, trying to cut my salt back as well. All the favourite snacky things are quite high salt :( My mother has high BP as well, so it could be in the DNA. Going to lose the kilos put on in the past couple of years, upping the exercise and trying some herbals. If no improvement in 90 days, then will give her a call and consider 'proper' pharmaceuticals. |
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Oh that reminds me I need to call the company I rent mine from - it needs the clock reset. Stupid thing was running while I was in the shower this morning. -- Dymphna Message origin: www.TRAVEL.com |
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On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:33:27 -0600, Dymphna
> wrote: > >Oh that reminds me I need to call the company I rent mine from - it >needs the clock reset. Stupid thing was running while I was in the >shower this morning. What was ticking? Your atomic bomb? -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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