ViLco wrote:
>
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > Such measures might discourage terrorists, but they are also likely
> > to catch chefs smuggling meat from Europe. Chefs such as Rey Knight,
> > who once flew from Italy to Miami with a pork shoulder and
> > fennel-pollen salami vacuum-sealed and hidden inside a
> > stainless-steel water bottle. Another time, he says, he hid a 4-pound
> > goose-liver torchon from France inside the belly of a salmon.
>
> I hope they sentence him to the maximum possible fine and/or jail for that
> misdemeanor.
> The Law is the Law, breaking it is Crime, be it goose-liver or whatever
> else.
>
> ****ing stupid VIPs, always acting as they could do whatever they want
> simply because they are famous and have too much money.
> --
> Vilco
> Don't think pink: drink rosè

The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose any
"Law" on anyone else.

Pete C. wrote:

>> The Law is the Law, breaking it is Crime, be it goose-liver or
>> whatever else.

> The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose any
> "Law" on anyone else.

Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
ROTFL
--
Vilco
Don't think pink: drink rosè

ViLco wrote:
> Pete C. wrote:
>
>
>>>The Law is the Law, breaking it is Crime, be it goose-liver or
>>>whatever else.
>>
>
>>The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose any
>>"Law" on anyone else.
>
>
> Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
> ROTFL

Liber LXXVII

Liber Oz

"the law of
the strong:
this is our law
and the joy
of the world." AL. II. 2

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." --AL. I. 40

"thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that, and no other shall say
nay." --AL. I. 42-3

"Every man and every woman is a star." --AL. I. 3
There is no god but man.

1. Man has the right to live by his own law--
to live in the way that he wills to do:
to work as he will:
to play as he will:
to rest as he will:
to die when and how he will.
2. Man has the right to eat what he will:
to drink what he will:
to dwell where he will:
to move as he will on the face of the earth.
3. Man has the right to think what he will:
to speak what he will:
to write what he will:
to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will:
to dress as he will.
4. Man has the right to love as he will:--
"take your fill and will of love as ye will,
when, where, and with whom ye will." --AL. I. 51
5. Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights.

"the slaves shall serve." --AL. II. 58

"Love is the law, love under will." --AL. I. 57

Copyright © O.T.O.

Hosted by,

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
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Joseph wrote:

> "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." --AL. I. 40

This is taken out of context. The full sentence is, "An it hurt no one, do
what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

Bob

ViLco wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> >> The Law is the Law, breaking it is Crime, be it goose-liver or
> >> whatever else.
>
> > The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose any
> > "Law" on anyone else.
>
> Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
> ROTFL
> --
> Vilco
> Don't think pink: drink rosè

Nope, just pointing out reality.

Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority is
based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this fact, and
the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.

Pete C. wrote:

>>> The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose
>>> any "Law" on anyone else.

>> Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
>> ROTFL

> Nope, just pointing out reality.
>
> Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority
> is based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this
> fact, and the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.

There are men and women "elected" to rule a country and write that country's
laws, and they do *have* that authority because the people voted for them.
It's called "representative democracy", and you too live in one.
That said, you can dream what you want
--
Vilco
Don't think pink: drink rosè

On 1/15/2010 09:39, ViLco wrote:
> Pete C. wrote:
>
>>>> The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose
>>>> any "Law" on anyone else.
>
>>> Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
>>> ROTFL
>
>> Nope, just pointing out reality.
>>
>> Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority
>> is based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this
>> fact, and the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.
>
> There are men and women "elected" to rule a country and write that country's
> laws, and they do *have* that authority because the people voted for them.
> It's called "representative democracy", and you too live in one.
> That said, you can dream what you want

Basically agree on your thoughts but according to our Constitution the
US is a representative democratic republic not a democracy.

Unfortunately few people seem to have heard about the idea that the
people who are elected are responsible to us not us to them...

Merriam-Webster definition:

"Republic — A state in which the sovereign power resides in a certain
body of the people (the electorate), and is exercised by representatives
elected by, and responsible to, them."

George wrote:

>> There are men and women "elected" to rule a country and write that
>> country's laws, and they do *have* that authority because the people
>> voted for them. It's called "representative democracy", and you too
>> live in one. That said, you can dream what you want

> Basically agree on your thoughts but according to our Constitution the
> US is a representative democratic republic not a democracy.

"A democratic republic" is a subset of "a democracy", hence your "not" is
senseless.
Anyway the point is the word "representative", which means that the people
votes someone to represent the people in the administration of the country.
--
Vilco
Don't think pink: drink rosè

ViLco wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> >>> The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose
> >>> any "Law" on anyone else.
>
> >> Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
> >> ROTFL
>
> > Nope, just pointing out reality.
> >
> > Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority
> > is based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this
> > fact, and the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.
>
> There are men and women "elected" to rule a country and write that country's
> laws, and they do *have* that authority because the people voted for them.
> It's called "representative democracy", and you too live in one.
> That said, you can dream what you want
> --
> Vilco
> Don't think pink: drink rosè

Nobody has a right to elect anyone to impose their rule on anyone.

Again, think about it and realize that this pseudo authority is based on
a threat of violence, nothing more.

"You follow my rule or I'll attack you" is all it boils down to. It's
the same whether it's the US government, the Italian government, the
Taliban, etc., all seek to impose their rule on others with a threat of
violence.

Pete C. wrote:
> ViLco wrote:
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>>>> The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose
>>>>> any "Law" on anyone else.
>>>> Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
>>>> ROTFL
>>> Nope, just pointing out reality.
>>>
>>> Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority
>>> is based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this
>>> fact, and the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.
>> There are men and women "elected" to rule a country and write that country's
>> laws, and they do *have* that authority because the people voted for them.
>> It's called "representative democracy", and you too live in one.
>> That said, you can dream what you want
>> --
>> Vilco
>> Don't think pink: drink rosè
>
> Nobody has a right to elect anyone to impose their rule on anyone.
>
> Again, think about it and realize that this pseudo authority is based on
> a threat of violence, nothing more.
>
> "You follow my rule or I'll attack you" is all it boils down to. It's
> the same whether it's the US government, the Italian government, the
> Taliban, etc., all seek to impose their rule on others with a threat of
> violence.


Any government reserves the right to kill you if they have to, just to
collect a $5 parking ticket.

It usually doesn't escalate to that level in one step, but any
resistance or refusal to comply is met with more and more force until
you either give in or the policeman shoots you. HTH :-)

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
> > ViLco wrote:
> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose
> >>>>> any "Law" on anyone else.
> >>>> Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
> >>>> ROTFL
> >>> Nope, just pointing out reality.
> >>>
> >>> Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority
> >>> is based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this
> >>> fact, and the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.
> >> There are men and women "elected" to rule a country and write that country's
> >> laws, and they do *have* that authority because the people voted for them.
> >> It's called "representative democracy", and you too live in one.
> >> That said, you can dream what you want
> >> --
> >> Vilco
> >> Don't think pink: drink rosè
> >
> > Nobody has a right to elect anyone to impose their rule on anyone.
> >
> > Again, think about it and realize that this pseudo authority is based on
> > a threat of violence, nothing more.
> >
> > "You follow my rule or I'll attack you" is all it boils down to. It's
> > the same whether it's the US government, the Italian government, the
> > Taliban, etc., all seek to impose their rule on others with a threat of
> > violence.
>
> Any government reserves the right to kill you if they have to, just to
> collect a $5 parking ticket.
>
> It usually doesn't escalate to that level in one step, but any
> resistance or refusal to comply is met with more and more force until
> you either give in or the policeman shoots you. HTH :-)
>
> Bob

Now you're getting the point. Whenever someone is talking about "the
law" and is challenged on what give it any authority, they generally
come down to some nebulus "moral" argument. Understanding this is key to
understanding the power struggles with Islamists, Christian
fundamentalists, etc. They all thing thier "law" has "moral" authority
and are use this supposed moral authority to justify their violent
actions trying to force their rule on others.

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:58:51 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

> ViLco wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>>>> The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose
>>>>> any "Law" on anyone else.
>>
>>>> Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
>>>> ROTFL
>>
>>> Nope, just pointing out reality.
>>>
>>> Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority
>>> is based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this
>>> fact, and the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.
>>
>> There are men and women "elected" to rule a country and write that country's
>> laws, and they do *have* that authority because the people voted for them.
>> It's called "representative democracy", and you too live in one.
>> That said, you can dream what you want
>> --
>> Vilco
>> Don't think pink: drink rosè
>
> Nobody has a right to elect anyone to impose their rule on anyone.
>
> Again, think about it and realize that this pseudo authority is based on
> a threat of violence, nothing more.
>
> "You follow my rule or I'll attack you" is all it boils down to. It's
> the same whether it's the US government, the Italian government, the
> Taliban, etc., all seek to impose their rule on others with a threat of
> violence.

maybe so, but how does 'understanding' this help you in any way? sounds
more like a rationalization to do whatever you want, and **** everybody
else. in short, libertarian rubbish.

blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:58:51 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > ViLco wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose
> >>>>> any "Law" on anyone else.
> >>
> >>>> Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
> >>>> ROTFL
> >>
> >>> Nope, just pointing out reality.
> >>>
> >>> Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority
> >>> is based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this
> >>> fact, and the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.
> >>
> >> There are men and women "elected" to rule a country and write that country's
> >> laws, and they do *have* that authority because the people voted for them.
> >> It's called "representative democracy", and you too live in one.
> >> That said, you can dream what you want
> >> --
> >> Vilco
> >> Don't think pink: drink rosè
> >
> > Nobody has a right to elect anyone to impose their rule on anyone.
> >
> > Again, think about it and realize that this pseudo authority is based on
> > a threat of violence, nothing more.
> >
> > "You follow my rule or I'll attack you" is all it boils down to. It's
> > the same whether it's the US government, the Italian government, the
> > Taliban, etc., all seek to impose their rule on others with a threat of
> > violence.
>
> maybe so, but how does 'understanding' this help you in any way? sounds
> more like a rationalization to do whatever you want, and **** everybody
> else. in short, libertarian rubbish.
>
> blake

It for example helps evaluate the prospects for any sort of negotiation
between the "west" and islamists for example.

Pete C. wrote:
> ViLco wrote:
>
>>Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>The Law is the Law, breaking it is Crime, be it goose-liver or
>>>>whatever else.
>>>
>>>The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose any
>>>"Law" on anyone else.
>>
>>Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
>>ROTFL
>>--
>> Vilco
>>Don't think pink: drink rosè
>
>
> Nope, just pointing out reality.
>
> Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority is
> based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this fact, and
> the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.

Violence is the ultimate defense of itself.
--

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Dieu et mon droit
Let the games begin!
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Pete C. wrote:
> ViLco wrote:
>
>>Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose
>>>>>any "Law" on anyone else.
>>>>
>>>>Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
>>>>ROTFL
>>>
>>>Nope, just pointing out reality.
>>>
>>>Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority
>>>is based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this
>>>fact, and the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.
>>
>>There are men and women "elected" to rule a country and write that country's
>>laws, and they do *have* that authority because the people voted for them.
>>It's called "representative democracy", and you too live in one.
>>That said, you can dream what you want
>>--
>> Vilco
>>Don't think pink: drink rosè
>
>
> Nobody has a right to elect anyone to impose their rule on anyone.
>
> Again, think about it and realize that this pseudo authority is based on
> a threat of violence, nothing more.
>
> "You follow my rule or I'll attack you" is all it boils down to. It's
> the same whether it's the US government, the Italian government, the
> Taliban, etc., all seek to impose their rule on others with a threat of
> violence.

Pay taxes, wear clothing, mary the right sex, consume only the "legal"
substances, as i understand it ANY depiction of child sexuality is a
crime, even if sculpted in marble or drawn with a pencil or written
about fictionally.

Now im a believer in the idea that bad rules are better than no rules
but i am disappointed with how they are applied. The rich can work the
system in ways the poor cant. Power corrupts, total power corrupts
totally, or in the case of the modern world builds up so much inertia it
cant address its own injustices due to bureaucratic inertia.

--

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
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On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:34:54 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:58:51 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>> ViLco wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> The "Law" is nonsense. Nobody has any authority or right to impose
>>>>>>> any "Law" on anyone else.
>>>>
>>>>>> Are you drunk or are you living in freakin' heaven?
>>>>>> ROTFL
>>>>
>>>>> Nope, just pointing out reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody anywhere has any authority - period. All this pseudo authority
>>>>> is based on the threat of violence, nothing more. Understand this
>>>>> fact, and the insane power struggles in the world are a lot clearer.
>>>>
>>>> There are men and women "elected" to rule a country and write that country's
>>>> laws, and they do *have* that authority because the people voted for them.
>>>> It's called "representative democracy", and you too live in one.
>>>> That said, you can dream what you want
>>>> --
>>>> Vilco
>>>> Don't think pink: drink rosè
>>>
>>> Nobody has a right to elect anyone to impose their rule on anyone.
>>>
>>> Again, think about it and realize that this pseudo authority is based on
>>> a threat of violence, nothing more.
>>>
>>> "You follow my rule or I'll attack you" is all it boils down to. It's
>>> the same whether it's the US government, the Italian government, the
>>> Taliban, etc., all seek to impose their rule on others with a threat of
>>> violence.
>>
>> maybe so, but how does 'understanding' this help you in any way? sounds
>> more like a rationalization to do whatever you want, and **** everybody
>> else. in short, libertarian rubbish.
>>
>> blake
>
> It for example helps evaluate the prospects for any sort of negotiation
> between the "west" and islamists for example.

why? because islamists are more dedicated to using force than the west is?

blake