Omelet wrote:
> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Maybe things are different there, Janet, but here, most doctors have
>>>>> virtually NO education in the field of nutrition, and even many of the
>>>>> people who have studied nutrition cling to outdated notions.
>>>> No, Jean. Things are pretty much the same here too
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> IMO, sports nutritionists seem to be the most up to date.
>>> Chiropractors are also pretty good with it.
>> That's interesting. Broadening things out a bit, the
>> non-mainstream health magazines, which I used to read quite
>> regularly and should start reading again (suggestions, anyone)
>> frequently would be discussing nutrition-related things, and only
>> years later would these things be recognized as valid by the
>> medical community as a whole.
>
> Try reading nutritional articles in body building or fitness magazines.
> Muscle and Fitness (imho) is the only really decent bodybuilding mag
> while mags on other general sports are good also.

Thanks, Om. Yesterday I was waiting for someone and was glancing
at nutrition-related articles in a health magazine. I really need
to start looking at all such sources again. I used to be so much
more aware of cutting-edge thought on medicine and especially
nutrition.

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Omelet wrote:
> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>
>>> Om.. have you been away?? I was just thinking the other day that I
>>> hadn't seen you!
>>>
>> Same here!
>
> Thanks Jean. :-)

:-) And I did see your explanation earlier in this thread.

--
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Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:17:24 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>> In article >, "Jean B." >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> My sole intention was to enlighten the OP about the agenda of the
>>>>>> article and its author; and point out that
>>>>>> the ketosis diet she markets, has another side to it.
>>>>>> The "best way forward" depends heavily on individual medical history
>>>>>> and circumstances, so don't look to tabloid newspapers
>>>>>> or websites for that. Your own doctor is the best bet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe things are different there, Janet, but here, most doctors
>>>>> have virtually NO education in the field of nutrition, and even
>>>>> many of the people who have studied nutrition cling to outdated
>>>>> notions.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean B.
>>>> Truer words were never spoken... :-)
>>>> Well done Jean!
>>> Well, those of us who are interested in nutrition come to realize
>>> these things, don't we?
>> Whata buncha bullshit... anyone wants to lose weight can be their own
>> dietician... all they need is a bathroom scale and a few functioning
>> brain cells... unfortunately anyone who owns a 40 cu ft refrigerator
>> is never gonna lose weight, just not possible because they definitely
>> do not have those few functioning brain cells.
>
> <snork> 1/2 of that 40 cu frige is dedicated to dad's kombucha farm and
> the bottom of "my" side is dedicated to stored dry goods. They keep
> better and longer in glass jars under refrigeration and since I have the
> space, why not? I'm only using 3 shelves to store actual food, and a
> LOT of that is fresh produce.
>
> Quit being an ass and think about it dear. ;-)
>
> And for the record, the current weight loss total is now 70 lbs.
> starting from June 2008. If it were not for all these f-ing injuries,
> I'd be able to exercise more. :-( I've spent a fortune on physical
> therapy the past 3 months...

Kudos to you, Om!

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In article >,
says...

> >
> > What a sensible post!!!!
> >
> Hardly! One questions why anyone would go to a chiropractic quack in the
> first place!
>
>
>

Well, I agree to some extent. I had a chiropractor really screw me up
bad. Several times over a few weeks I walked in, and crawled out of his
office. He was a quack! I ended up at a sports orientated orthopedic
surgeon and he straightened me out.

On the other hand, my daughter and I do pretty extreme sports
(motorcycle dirt track racing) and many of our peers keep chiropractors
on retainer, including the pro that runs our local track...

Scotty

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:04:35 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> There's a lot of variation. Many are excellent with nutritional
>> knowledge. Many sell their own products. For some the financial bias
>> drives them to chose among the products they offer. For some the
>> financial bias skews their approach to nutrition.
>
> Yes, tracking is good. Back in the mid seventies I was a High School
> runner. My coach who had retired from the U of Illinois kept us in the
> state championship for years. We we coached to track our food against
> our times and it was pretty pronounced. If I ate red meat or lot's of
> dairy product for dinner, I was slower the next day. If I had high
> starch such as my favorite, mashed potato for lunch, I would vomit at
> some point during the afternoon race.
>
> Scotty

i think the first time i vomited, i would cut races from my diet. i must
be a pussy.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:04:35 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> There's a lot of variation. Many are excellent with nutritional
> >> knowledge. Many sell their own products. For some the financial bias
> >> drives them to chose among the products they offer. For some the
> >> financial bias skews their approach to nutrition.
> >
> > Yes, tracking is good. Back in the mid seventies I was a High School
> > runner. My coach who had retired from the U of Illinois kept us in the
> > state championship for years. We we coached to track our food against
> > our times and it was pretty pronounced. If I ate red meat or lot's of
> > dairy product for dinner, I was slower the next day. If I had high
> > starch such as my favorite, mashed potato for lunch, I would vomit at
> > some point during the afternoon race.
> >
> > Scotty
>
> i think the first time i vomited, i would cut races from my diet. i must
> be a pussy.
>
> your pal,
> blake

I ran for to survive, it's a long story... No, not a really bad one,
just a long one

Scotty

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:04:35 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> There's a lot of variation. Many are excellent with nutritional
>>> knowledge. Many sell their own products. For some the financial bias
>>> drives them to chose among the products they offer. For some the
>>> financial bias skews their approach to nutrition.
>>
>> Yes, tracking is good. Back in the mid seventies I was a High School
>> runner. My coach who had retired from the U of Illinois kept us in the
>> state championship for years. We we coached to track our food against
>> our times and it was pretty pronounced. If I ate red meat or lot's of
>> dairy product for dinner, I was slower the next day. If I had high
>> starch such as my favorite, mashed potato for lunch, I would vomit at
>> some point during the afternoon race.
>>
>> Scotty
>
> i think the first time i vomited, i would cut races from my diet. i must
> be a pussy.
>
My son once vomited after a race in which he was the winner. Mind you, the
other contestant was a Grizzly Bear!!!!

In article >,
says...
>
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:04:35 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
> >>>
> >>> There's a lot of variation. Many are excellent with nutritional
> >>> knowledge. Many sell their own products. For some the financial bias
> >>> drives them to chose among the products they offer. For some the
> >>> financial bias skews their approach to nutrition.
> >>
> >> Yes, tracking is good. Back in the mid seventies I was a High School
> >> runner. My coach who had retired from the U of Illinois kept us in the
> >> state championship for years. We we coached to track our food against
> >> our times and it was pretty pronounced. If I ate red meat or lot's of
> >> dairy product for dinner, I was slower the next day. If I had high
> >> starch such as my favorite, mashed potato for lunch, I would vomit at
> >> some point during the afternoon race.
> >>
> >> Scotty
> >
> > i think the first time i vomited, i would cut races from my diet. i must
> > be a pussy.
> >
> My son once vomited after a race in which he was the winner. Mind you, the
> other contestant was a Grizzly Bear!!!!

LOL

Scotty who has been, admittedly with smaller animals

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
> >> Om.. have you been away?? I was just thinking the other day that I
> >> hadn't seen you!
>
> > Not really, just not enough time to keep up with the huge number of
> > posts here as I've had other fish to fry, such as job hunting and
> > taking some weekend classes to beef up my resume'. <g>
>
> I was wondering, too. I missed why you were having therapy so
> I was hoping whatever it was wasn't the reason you weren't
> around. Sorry about the job? Good luck.
>
> nancy

Therapy commitments were part of why I was not around. Just no time with
going to Austin to "Advanced Rehabilitation". Chiropractic and ART
(Active Release Technique) therapy and Physical Therapy, including
Mackenzie training.

When I first Called Dr. Fluitt's office, I asked the receptionist if
they had a doctor that was willing to work with a basket case, and I was
not kidding. ;-) There are so many things that hurt and were dragging me
down. They just laughed and said they'd seen it all. Dr. Fluitt laughed
when I told him about that.

He's been very patient... So much has happened in the past year and
ganged up on me and I have to work thru the pain. Who can afford to miss
work and become unemployed? It just gave me other priorities. ;-)
Fluitt also recommended the services of Dr. Martin Thai, an
Anesthesiologist and Pain specialist to do the series of three steroid
injections into the cervical spine to stop the pain and nerve damage.

I'm working hard and just paying a small fortune for body work, but it's
paying off. My third Ace in the Hole is Jeanne Evans. A Massage
therapist that has been to Sedona and studied with John Barnes. She is
delightfully ruthless as she understands that I pay her for therapy, not
mercy. And her prices are reasonable for Myofascial release work.

Therapeutic pain is not a bad thing. <g> Sometimes it hurts GOOD.

As for the job hunt, that's totally unrelated. Just another life
complication. My new boss is a two faced back stabber and a gold plated
prick. But his threats are going to be beneficial to me if I can follow
my plans.

The past year and a half has totally sucked with multiple problems, but
on the up-side, it's kicking me out of my "comfort zone" and getting me
off my ass to make some major life changes that will benefit me in the
long run.

When life serves you lemons, make lemon-ade. ;-d
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In article >,
"Ophelia" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > I actually deleted some 3,000 messages unread as I did not have the time
> > to get caught up. I'll probably be in and out over the next couple of
> > months or so.
> >
> > Sometimes "life" takes priority over my favorite entertainment. <sigh>
> > More regular exercise and physical therapy have also been keeping me
> > busy.
> >
> > <hugs> and thanks for noticing!
>
> So long as you are ok I am studying again... yep, a year after retiring
> I am enjoying it and of course it keeps the old brain cells
> working I often have to delete whole swathes of posts, so I know what you
> mean Still, priorities and all that...
>
> Good luck with your job hunting!
>
> --

I hope your plans work out too hon'. <hugs>
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In article
>,
Food Snob® > wrote:

> > Maybe it's because they haven't learned to recognize the difference
> > between hunger and appetite. *
>
> That might also be partly congenital. Just as some folks have a much
> higher propensity for developing alcoholism, the eating satiation
> wiring could vary between persons.

I think a lot of that is nurture, not nature.
How they are taught to eat growing up.

I speak from personal experienc, but I am a statistic of one. ;-)
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>,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> It takes about 20 minutes after a meal before I realize I'm full.
> This makes it easy to keep stuffing my face far too long.

Eat slowly, don't snarf your food. Eat one bite at a time and time your
chewing time if you have to until you get used to it!

I most often eat in front of the computer. Often takes me an hour to
eat a small plate of food now, and I sometimes don't finish it.

I just wish I'd learned that trick earlier in life. I'd not still have
nearly 50 lbs. to burn off. :-(
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In article >, "Jean B." >
wrote:

> > And I've personally discussed nutrition with some doc's at work, and
> > they admit to knowing squat unless they have taken the time to study up
> > on it on their own.
> >
> > Then the other doc's consult THEM! <g> I've seen that bit in person.
>
> LOL! At least my GP doesn't diss LC diets. In fact, he seems to
> advocate a moderate version of same.
>
> --
> Jean B.

My Primary Care is still learning, but knows her limitations. She had
gastric bypass surgery a few years ago and now looks fabulous. Tried to
get me to do it. NO way in hell. <g> I don't think she regrets it, but
I know she's praised me for managing to finally get my act together.

To hell with that. I'll have to show here the spinal x-rays that finally
SCARED me into losing it. <g>
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In article >,
"graham" > wrote:

> >>> Chiropractors are also pretty good with it.
> >>
> >> There's a lot of variation. Many are excellent with nutritional
> >> knowledge. Many sell their own products. For some the financial bias
> >> drives them to chose among the products they offer. For some the
> >> financial bias skews their approach to nutrition.
> >
> > What a sensible post!!!!
> >
> Hardly! One questions why anyone would go to a chiropractic quack in the
> first place!

Because they know the truth. Chiropractors have been my miracle.
Especially those that practice ART.
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In article >, "Jean B." >
wrote:

> > Try reading nutritional articles in body building or fitness magazines.
> > Muscle and Fitness (imho) is the only really decent bodybuilding mag
> > while mags on other general sports are good also.
>
> Thanks, Om. Yesterday I was waiting for someone and was glancing
> at nutrition-related articles in a health magazine. I really need
> to start looking at all such sources again. I used to be so much
> more aware of cutting-edge thought on medicine and especially
> nutrition.
>
> --
> Jean B.

Plus they are just plain fun to read. :-)
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In article >, "Jean B." >
wrote:

> >> Whata buncha bullshit... anyone wants to lose weight can be their own
> >> dietician... all they need is a bathroom scale and a few functioning
> >> brain cells... unfortunately anyone who owns a 40 cu ft refrigerator
> >> is never gonna lose weight, just not possible because they definitely
> >> do not have those few functioning brain cells.
> >
> > <snork> 1/2 of that 40 cu frige is dedicated to dad's kombucha farm and
> > the bottom of "my" side is dedicated to stored dry goods. They keep
> > better and longer in glass jars under refrigeration and since I have the
> > space, why not? I'm only using 3 shelves to store actual food, and a
> > LOT of that is fresh produce.
> >
> > Quit being an ass and think about it dear. ;-)
> >
> > And for the record, the current weight loss total is now 70 lbs.
> > starting from June 2008. If it were not for all these f-ing injuries,
> > I'd be able to exercise more. :-( I've spent a fortune on physical
> > therapy the past 3 months...
>
> Kudos to you, Om!
>
> --
> Jean B.

Thanks Jean! Still a ways to go...

I think Sheldon is just jealous of my Hobart. <g>
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In article >,
I am Tosk > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>
> > >
> > > What a sensible post!!!!
> > >
> > Hardly! One questions why anyone would go to a chiropractic quack in the
> > first place!
> >
> >
> >
>
> Well, I agree to some extent. I had a chiropractor really screw me up
> bad. Several times over a few weeks I walked in, and crawled out of his
> office. He was a quack! I ended up at a sports orientated orthopedic
> surgeon and he straightened me out.
>
> On the other hand, my daughter and I do pretty extreme sports
> (motorcycle dirt track racing) and many of our peers keep chiropractors
> on retainer, including the pro that runs our local track...
>
> Scotty

That's funny, I limp into the Chiropractors office and walk out pain
free. But, I'm selective. There are as many bad Chiropractors as there
are bad MD's.
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "graham" > wrote:
>
>> >>> Chiropractors are also pretty good with it.
>> >>
>> >> There's a lot of variation. Many are excellent with nutritional
>> >> knowledge. Many sell their own products. For some the financial bias
>> >> drives them to chose among the products they offer. For some the
>> >> financial bias skews their approach to nutrition.
>> >
>> > What a sensible post!!!!
>> >
>> Hardly! One questions why anyone would go to a chiropractic quack in the
>> first place!
>
> Because they know the truth.

********!! Chiropractic was invented by a snake-oil salesman and its basic
principles are metaphysical, not sound scientific fact. An ER nurse
recently told me that *never* a week goes by when they don't have to treat
someone who has been stupid enough to visit one of these quacks.

>Chiropractors have been my miracle.

You would have been just as well had you lost weight, gone to a
physiotherapist or even a massage therapist (even those who advertise with
escorts).

Omelet wrote:
> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>>> And I've personally discussed nutrition with some doc's at work, and
>>> they admit to knowing squat unless they have taken the time to study up
>>> on it on their own.
>>>
>>> Then the other doc's consult THEM! <g> I've seen that bit in person.
>> LOL! At least my GP doesn't diss LC diets. In fact, he seems to
>> advocate a moderate version of same.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> My Primary Care is still learning, but knows her limitations. She had
> gastric bypass surgery a few years ago and now looks fabulous. Tried to
> get me to do it. NO way in hell. <g> I don't think she regrets it, but
> I know she's praised me for managing to finally get my act together.
>
> To hell with that. I'll have to show here the spinal x-rays that finally
> SCARED me into losing it. <g>

Not a good way to decide to do it.

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Omelet wrote:
> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>>>> Whata buncha bullshit... anyone wants to lose weight can be their own
>>>> dietician... all they need is a bathroom scale and a few functioning
>>>> brain cells... unfortunately anyone who owns a 40 cu ft refrigerator
>>>> is never gonna lose weight, just not possible because they definitely
>>>> do not have those few functioning brain cells.
>>> <snork> 1/2 of that 40 cu frige is dedicated to dad's kombucha farm and
>>> the bottom of "my" side is dedicated to stored dry goods. They keep
>>> better and longer in glass jars under refrigeration and since I have the
>>> space, why not? I'm only using 3 shelves to store actual food, and a
>>> LOT of that is fresh produce.
>>>
>>> Quit being an ass and think about it dear. ;-)
>>>
>>> And for the record, the current weight loss total is now 70 lbs.
>>> starting from June 2008. If it were not for all these f-ing injuries,
>>> I'd be able to exercise more. :-( I've spent a fortune on physical
>>> therapy the past 3 months...
>> Kudos to you, Om!
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> Thanks Jean! Still a ways to go...
>
> I think Sheldon is just jealous of my Hobart. <g>

LOL!

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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
>
> The past year and a half has totally sucked with multiple problems, but
> on the up-side, it's kicking me out of my "comfort zone" and getting me
> off my ass to make some major life changes that will benefit me in the
> long run.
>
> When life serves you lemons, make lemon-ade. ;-d

Well done. Om! I am very proud of you

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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> > I actually deleted some 3,000 messages unread as I did not have the
>> > time
>> > to get caught up. I'll probably be in and out over the next couple of
>> > months or so.
>> >
>> > Sometimes "life" takes priority over my favorite entertainment. <sigh>
>> > More regular exercise and physical therapy have also been keeping me
>> > busy.
>> >
>> > <hugs> and thanks for noticing!
>>
>> So long as you are ok I am studying again... yep, a year after
>> retiring
>> I am enjoying it and of course it keeps the old brain cells
>> working I often have to delete whole swathes of posts, so I know what
>> you
>> mean Still, priorities and all that...
>>
>> Good luck with your job hunting!
>>
>> --
>
> I hope your plans work out too hon'. <hugs>

Me too and thanks <hugs> backatcha> )
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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:49:30 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>Omelet wrote:
>> In article >, "Jean B." >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Whata buncha bullshit... anyone wants to lose weight can be their own
>>>>> dietician... all they need is a bathroom scale and a few functioning
>>>>> brain cells... unfortunately anyone who owns a 40 cu ft refrigerator
>>>>> is never gonna lose weight, just not possible because they definitely
>>>>> do not have those few functioning brain cells.
>>>> <snork> 1/2 of that 40 cu frige is dedicated to dad's kombucha farm and
>>>> the bottom of "my" side is dedicated to stored dry goods. They keep
>>>> better and longer in glass jars under refrigeration and since I have the
>>>> space, why not? I'm only using 3 shelves to store actual food, and a
>>>> LOT of that is fresh produce.
>>>>
>>>> Quit being an ass and think about it dear. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> And for the record, the current weight loss total is now 70 lbs.
>>>> starting from June 2008. If it were not for all these f-ing injuries,
>>>> I'd be able to exercise more. :-( I've spent a fortune on physical
>>>> therapy the past 3 months...
>>> Kudos to you, Om!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean B.
>>
>> Thanks Jean! Still a ways to go...
>>
>> I think Sheldon is just jealous of my Hobart. <g>
>
>LOL!

I'd be jealous were it a 40 quart Hobra! heheheh

In article >, "Jean B." >
wrote:

> > To hell with that. I'll have to show here the spinal x-rays that finally
> > SCARED me into losing it. <g>
>
> Not a good way to decide to do it.

Why?

Whatever works. ;-) It finally woke me up to what all that extra weight
was doing to my body. It's very destructive to the skeletal system...
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In article >,
"Ophelia" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> > The past year and a half has totally sucked with multiple problems, but
> > on the up-side, it's kicking me out of my "comfort zone" and getting me
> > off my ass to make some major life changes that will benefit me in the
> > long run.
> >
> > When life serves you lemons, make lemon-ade. ;-d
>
> Well done. Om! I am very proud of you
>
Thanks sweetie. :-)
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"Omelet" wrote

> Whatever works. ;-) It finally woke me up to what all that extra weight
> was doing to my body. It's very destructive to the skeletal system...

Agreed Om. I'm under stern mandate to 'stay tiny' from my Docs. (Which I
am and always have been due to luck of 'thin genes' and yes, you'd hate me
as I eat like a horse and always have).

It makes a *huge* difference in back issues as well as joint issues.

For me, I have to watch the cholestrol while still getting lots of natural
chondritin and glosamine (sp?) as the pill form doesnt seem to absorb for
me. Also, calcium pills don't seem to work well so I vegg-out on calcium
greens all the time.

On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:05:50 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>"Omelet" wrote
>
>> Whatever works. ;-) It finally woke me up to what all that extra weight
>> was doing to my body. It's very destructive to the skeletal system...
>
>Agreed Om. I'm under stern mandate to 'stay tiny' from my Docs. (Which I
>am and always have been due to luck of 'thin genes' and yes, you'd hate me
>as I eat like a horse and always have).
>
>It makes a *huge* difference in back issues as well as joint issues.
>
>For me, I have to watch the cholestrol while still getting lots of natural
>chondritin and glosamine (sp?) as the pill form doesnt seem to absorb for
>me. Also, calcium pills don't seem to work well so I vegg-out on calcium
>greens all the time.

The condroitin/glucosamine in tablet form is made with a large amount
of bivalve shell. After taking those horse pill tablets for a while
many folks develop a seafood allergy.... it's best to take Elations,
it contains no seafood and gets into the system faster and more
completely... much of those horse pills pass right through without
fully dissolving so they are a big waste. Elations costs a tiny bit
more but why bother with stuff that doesn't work well and can cause an
allergy. Actually all calcium suppliment tablets contain bivalve
shell, the cure is worse than the disease... much better to get one's
calcium from dairy, and for the Calcium to work one needs Vitamin D,
drinking a couple three glasses of fat free milk works best. When I
was seriously into smoothies I used fat free milk.

In article >,
"cshenk" > wrote:

> "Omelet" wrote
>
> > Whatever works. ;-) It finally woke me up to what all that extra weight
> > was doing to my body. It's very destructive to the skeletal system...
>
> Agreed Om. I'm under stern mandate to 'stay tiny' from my Docs. (Which I
> am and always have been due to luck of 'thin genes' and yes, you'd hate me
> as I eat like a horse and always have).

I've always envied folks that could do that. <g>

>
> It makes a *huge* difference in back issues as well as joint issues.
>
> For me, I have to watch the cholestrol while still getting lots of natural
> chondritin and glosamine (sp?) as the pill form doesnt seem to absorb for
> me. Also, calcium pills don't seem to work well so I vegg-out on calcium
> greens all the time.

You want "natural" chondroitin etc.? Make foot stock. Chicken, pork or
beef. Or any "cut" of meat that has a lot of cartilage in it. Cook it
down into a delicious edible jelly and enjoy!
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"brooklyn1" wrote
> "cshenk" wrote:

>>It makes a *huge* difference in back issues as well as joint issues.

>>For me, I have to watch the cholestrol while still getting lots of natural
>>chondritin and glosamine (sp?) as the pill form doesnt seem to absorb for
>>me. Also, calcium pills don't seem to work well so I vegg-out on calcium
>>greens all the time.
>
> The condroitin/glucosamine in tablet form is made with a large amount
> of bivalve shell. After taking those horse pill tablets for a while

I think you are thinking of calcium pills? Yes, correct if so.

> many folks develop a seafood allergy.... it's best to take Elations,
> it contains no seafood and gets into the system faster and more
> completely... much of those horse pills pass right through without
> fully dissolving so they are a big waste. Elations costs a tiny bit
> more but why bother with stuff that doesn't work well and can cause an
> allergy. Actually all calcium suppliment tablets contain bivalve
> shell, the cure is worse than the disease... much better to get one's
> calcium from dairy, and for the Calcium to work one needs Vitamin D,
> drinking a couple three glasses of fat free milk works best. When I
> was seriously into smoothies I used fat free milk.

I need both Chondritin/glucosamine and calcium. I don't seem to absorb
either of them well in pill form. I get best 'bang for the buck' cholestrol
wise out of a bone broth than milk and seems to absorb best. Basically has
it all in one form but for pure chondritin, shrimp shells work nicely! I
know, wierd but I like them.

"Omelet" wrote
> "cshenk" wrote:

>> > Whatever works. ;-) It finally woke me up to what all that extra
>> > weight
>> > was doing to my body. It's very destructive to the skeletal system...
>>
>> Agreed Om. I'm under stern mandate to 'stay tiny' from my Docs. (Which
>> I
>> am and always have been due to luck of 'thin genes' and yes, you'd hate
>> me
>> as I eat like a horse and always have).

> I've always envied folks that could do that. <g>

It's not something we 'do' just something a small segment of the population
have born into us. It's like green eyes or large feet or whatever. Some of
us are weight stable pretty much with no need to think about it. I actually
was not when young but it was the reverse of the normal problem. I was
painfully thin and even engulfing 3500-4000 calories a day didnt really
solve it. Case of 'too much of a good thing'. If nothing else, clothes
shopping sucked when I was a 4P as it's all 'teeny-bopper' stuff and you
look pretty stupid at age 30 in that.

Grin, sorry. It's ok if you 'hate me for this trait'. I'm now almost 50
and a 10P (some things 12P as I have always been thick waisted for my size)
and happen to enjoy the curves I have gained at last. I used to look like a
pipe-cleaner with boobs. ;-)

>> It makes a *huge* difference in back issues as well as joint issues.
>>
>> For me, I have to watch the cholestrol while still getting lots of
>> natural
>> chondritin and glosamine (sp?) as the pill form doesnt seem to absorb for
>> me. Also, calcium pills don't seem to work well so I vegg-out on calcium
>> greens all the time.
>
> You want "natural" chondroitin etc.? Make foot stock. Chicken, pork or
> beef. Or any "cut" of meat that has a lot of cartilage in it. Cook it
> down into a delicious edible jelly and enjoy!

Thats exactly what i do. You might see it posted in other messages.
Natural sources work well for me and right now my crockpot is full of smoked
pork neckbones and 3 types of dried beans, making up it's own broth (with
other stuff like onions and spices). I have 4 beef marrow bones of a decent
1.5 inch cut for stock in the freezer and about 3 cups left of chicken
bone/joint connsome as well as a final cup of duck bone broth.

I caught onto this in Japan and have been carefully eating what works best
for me without driving the cholestrol too crazy.

Here's a funny. My dog has arthritis. He's a rescue pet and was having a
hard time even walking when we got him but on all the pet meds for it. Vet
is confused but happy as now he bounces in (although he still doesnt jump
much). It's simple. The food additives didnt seem to be working for him
any more than me so i started adding some of my own broth to him every day.
It works for him too. He gets 1/2 cup a day.

In article >,
brooklyn1 > wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:05:50 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >"Omelet" wrote
> >
> >> Whatever works. ;-) It finally woke me up to what all that extra weight
> >> was doing to my body. It's very destructive to the skeletal system...
> >
> >Agreed Om. I'm under stern mandate to 'stay tiny' from my Docs. (Which I
> >am and always have been due to luck of 'thin genes' and yes, you'd hate me
> >as I eat like a horse and always have).
> >
> >It makes a *huge* difference in back issues as well as joint issues.
> >
> >For me, I have to watch the cholestrol while still getting lots of natural
> >chondritin and glosamine (sp?) as the pill form doesnt seem to absorb for
> >me. Also, calcium pills don't seem to work well so I vegg-out on calcium
> >greens all the time.
>
> The condroitin/glucosamine in tablet form is made with a large amount
> of bivalve shell. After taking those horse pill tablets for a while
> many folks develop a seafood allergy.... it's best to take Elations,
> it contains no seafood and gets into the system faster and more
> completely... much of those horse pills pass right through without
> fully dissolving so they are a big waste. Elations costs a tiny bit
> more but why bother with stuff that doesn't work well and can cause an
> allergy. Actually all calcium suppliment tablets contain bivalve
> shell, the cure is worse than the disease... much better to get one's
> calcium from dairy, and for the Calcium to work one needs Vitamin D,
> drinking a couple three glasses of fat free milk works best. When I
> was seriously into smoothies I used fat free milk.

Calcium citrate is not made from shells. Some calcium carbonate
supplements can also come from dolomite, which can be contaminated with
lead or other heavy metals.

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

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In article >,
"cshenk" > wrote:

> > You want "natural" chondroitin etc.? Make foot stock. Chicken, pork or
> > beef. Or any "cut" of meat that has a lot of cartilage in it. Cook it
> > down into a delicious edible jelly and enjoy!
>
> Thats exactly what i do. You might see it posted in other messages.
> Natural sources work well for me and right now my crockpot is full of smoked
> pork neckbones and 3 types of dried beans, making up it's own broth (with
> other stuff like onions and spices). I have 4 beef marrow bones of a decent
> 1.5 inch cut for stock in the freezer and about 3 cups left of chicken
> bone/joint connsome as well as a final cup of duck bone broth.
>
> I caught onto this in Japan and have been carefully eating what works best
> for me without driving the cholestrol too crazy.
>
> Here's a funny. My dog has arthritis. He's a rescue pet and was having a
> hard time even walking when we got him but on all the pet meds for it. Vet
> is confused but happy as now he bounces in (although he still doesnt jump
> much). It's simple. The food additives didnt seem to be working for him
> any more than me so i started adding some of my own broth to him every day.
> It works for him too. He gets 1/2 cup a day.

Smart girl. :-)

Those soups are tasty too.
I've googled a number of chinese recipes for pigs feet, and if you
google for the health benefits of them, there are a number of cites and
references. They are a "super food". So are eggs.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein

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"Omelet" wrote
"cshenk" wrote:

>> > You want "natural" chondroitin etc.? Make foot stock. Chicken, pork or

>> Thats exactly what i do. You might see it posted in other messages.

>> Here's a funny. My dog has arthritis. He's a rescue pet and was having
>> a
>> hard time even walking when we got him but on all the pet meds for it.
>> Vet
>> is confused but happy as now he bounces in (although he still doesnt jump
>> much). It's simple. The food additives didnt seem to be working for him
>> any more than me so i started adding some of my own broth to him every
>> day.
>> It works for him too. He gets 1/2 cup a day.

> Smart girl. :-)

Hehe he and the cat are snoozilating off their lunch noshe. It was from the
pork neck bone crockpot this time (I pulled some out to cool to roughly room
temp about noon and fed them both about 12:30. I added just a touch of
chopped chicken which I keep in itty bitty 'snack sized' freezer bags and
defrost as needed in the fridge for them.

I do not salt the broth, but add salt for us at serving time. (Dogs and
Cats aren't as salt tolerant as we are). So, Cash-pup got 1/2 cup with
about 3 tb chopped chicken. Daisy-cat got 3 TB broth with about 3 TS
chopped chicken. They don't care that it was pork broth with chicken ;-)

> Those soups are tasty too.
> I've googled a number of chinese recipes for pigs feet, and if you
> google for the health benefits of them, there are a number of cites and
> references. They are a "super food". So are eggs.

Yeah, we do a fair amount of ham-hocks too.

PS: I'm in chat if you are bored.