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sf > wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:56:07 -0600, Stu > wrote: > >Someday, I'll try it with lamb... but I think of beef first when I see >the words "shepherd's pie". I think to simplify everything, it should just be "beef pie", "lamb pie", or "vegetable pie". Steve |
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On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:28:56 GMT, Janet Baraclough
> wrote: > Tourtiere? Not similar in taste or texture. It pains me to admit that > tourtiere is far more delicious than Scotch pie. > I haven't eaten a Scotch pie for decades. but I make tourtiere > several times a year . ah, ok. I've never seen either one in person. -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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sf wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:37:15 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> I like lamb that tastes like lamb--not the mild stuff that seems >> to be aimed at folks who don't like lamb. What's the point of that? > > So you like lamb that tastes like mutton? Ugh. > I have never had mutton and gather it has a much stronger taste than lamby lamb. I am speaking of the lamb from when I was a kid (I just turned 60) as vs the lamb one is apt to find now. Hmmm. Come to think of it, I have some lamb from Costco that I can use in my stew! -- Jean B. |
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Stu wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:18:28 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> Default User wrote: >>> caroline wrote: >>> >>>> "Dora" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> Default User wrote: >>>>>> You are entitled to that opinion. My mother made shepard's pie. >>>>>> With ground beef. We'd never heard of "cottage pie". >>>>>> >>>>>> Brian >>>>> Same here. Leftover beef, leftover lamb - made no difference. It >>>>> was always shepherd's pie. Shoot me. >>>> Call it what you like, but you can't change the facts ;-) >>>> >>>> Cottage is beef, Shepherd's is lamb >>> If I ever mentioned "cottage pie" to anyone outside of this newsgroup, >>> they would have no idea what I meant. Almost everybody knows what >>> shepherd's[1] pie is. It's about on par with the Texans who insist that >>> you not call it "chili" if you put beans in it. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Managed to spell it right this time. >>> >>> Brian >> Ah, but if someone was serving ME shepherd's pie, I would be >> expecting lamb. So not everyone knows what "shepherd's pie" is. > > You'd think that would be the case if you lived in NZ or Aussieville, > my Gram in Wales always made it with steak, my uncles in Scotland > used lamb. It seems peoples preferences are always with what they were > brought up eating. And their nomenclature. But shepherd's pie is also a matter of logic. -- Jean B. |
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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:53:00 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
> > And their nomenclature. But shepherd's pie is also a matter of logic. Not if the only way you know shepherd's pie is with beef. -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:51:47 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
> Come to think of it, I have some lamb from Costco that I can use > in my stew! CostCo has decent lamb. ![]() -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:29:36 -0600, Stu > wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:15:15 -0800, sf > wrote: > > >On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:53:00 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> > >> And their nomenclature. But shepherd's pie is also a matter of logic. > > > >Not if the only way you know shepherd's pie is with beef. > > But then that's only your opinion It's not my "opinion" when that's the truth. Like I said before. I've only heard of it made with lamb here in rfc. -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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![]() "Steve Pope" > wrote in message ... > sf > wrote: > >>On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:56:07 -0600, Stu > wrote: >> >>Someday, I'll try it with lamb... but I think of beef first when I see >>the words "shepherd's pie". > > I think to simplify everything, it should just be "beef pie", > "lamb pie", or "vegetable pie". Now where is the fun in that? ![]() -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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![]() "Jean B." > wrote in message ... > Arri London wrote: >> >> "Jean B." wrote: >>> Arri London wrote: >>>> I am Tosk wrote: >>>>> In article >, >>>>> says... >>>>>> "Dora" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>>>>>> Geeze, forgot the most important thing. Two layers of the beef.. >>>>>>>> Sorry. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Scotty >>>>>>> Well, it's different - but creativity is what it's all about! Glad >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> enjoyed it. FWIW, shepherd's pie is topped with the mashed potato, >>>>>>> rather >>>>>>> than layered, but if you liked it that's all that counts. >>>>>> Nice one, Dora ![]() >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> Yeah, I was gonna' layer it and call it Scotty pie, but I knew the >>>>> masses wouldn't stand for it ![]() >>>>> >>>>> Scotty >>>> LOL. Anyway a 'Scotch Pie' (as opposed to a Scotty Pie) is another >>>> creature entirely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_pie >>> I am not familiar with that--and thus wouldn't be able to >>> recognize a good recipe for it. Help! >>> >>> -- >>> Jean B. >> >> >> Sorry. It isn't something typically made at home. Here is a recipe from >> the BBC for hot water crust: >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/da...try_8196.shtml >> This recipe sounds reasonable: >> http://www.rampantscotland.com/recip..._scotchpie.htm > > Thanks. That gives me a better understanding of what this is--even > without cooking it at home. They are horribly greasy, Jean ![]() -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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I am Tosk wrote:
> In article >, says... > >> And their nomenclature. But shepherd's pie is also a matter of logic. > > Well, maybe but when you are 6 and it is introduced as Shepherd pie, you > really don't think much about it.. But you are right ![]() > > Scotty > > As are you. I am sure the name sticks. -- Jean B. |
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 03 Feb 2010 07:54:47p, Jean B. told us... > >> Arri London wrote: >>> "Jean B." wrote: >>>> Arri London wrote: >>>>> I am Tosk wrote: >>>>>> In article >, >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> "Dora" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Geeze, forgot the most important thing. Two layers of the beef.. >>>>>>>>> Sorry. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Scotty >>>>>>>> Well, it's different - but creativity is what it's all about! >>>>>>>> Glad you enjoyed it. FWIW, shepherd's pie is topped with the >>>>>>>> mashed potato, rather than layered, but if you liked it that's all >>>>>>>> that counts. >>>>>>> Nice one, Dora ![]() >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> Yeah, I was gonna' layer it and call it Scotty pie, but I knew the >>>>>> masses wouldn't stand for it ![]() >>>>>> >>>>>> Scotty >>>>> LOL. Anyway a 'Scotch Pie' (as opposed to a Scotty Pie) is another >>>>> creature entirely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_pie >>>> I am not familiar with that--and thus wouldn't be able to >>>> recognize a good recipe for it. Help! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jean B. >>> >>> Sorry. It isn't something typically made at home. >>> >>> Here is a recipe from the BBC for hot water crust: >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/da...stry_8196.shtm >>> l >>> >>> This recipe sounds reasonable: >>> http://www.rampantscotland.com/recip..._scotchpie.htm >> Thanks. That gives me a better understanding of what this >> is--even without cooking it at home. >> > > I see no reason for not making this at home. It's no more difficult than > making a raised pork pie. Either takes patience, especially for the > pastry. > I'm not speaking of difficulty. Hmmm. This thread now reminds me that there are some frozen pies at The British Store, and there was (and I hope still is) a pie shop up toward New Hampshire. -- Jean B. |
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sf wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:53:00 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: >> And their nomenclature. But shepherd's pie is also a matter of logic. > > Not if the only way you know shepherd's pie is with beef. > Mumble, mumble... -- Jean B. |
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sf wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:51:47 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> Come to think of it, I have some lamb from Costco that I can use >> in my stew! > > CostCo has decent lamb. ![]() > Yes, and cheap too. I have a nice boneless breast (Sheldon, I am speaking of LAMB!), but that is for something else. -- Jean B. |
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Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Jean B." > wrote in message > ... >> Arri London wrote: >>> >>> "Jean B." wrote: >>>> Arri London wrote: >>>>> I am Tosk wrote: >>>>>> In article >, >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> "Dora" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Geeze, forgot the most important thing. Two layers of the beef.. >>>>>>>>> Sorry. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Scotty >>>>>>>> Well, it's different - but creativity is what it's all about! >>>>>>>> Glad you >>>>>>>> enjoyed it. FWIW, shepherd's pie is topped with the mashed >>>>>>>> potato, rather >>>>>>>> than layered, but if you liked it that's all that counts. >>>>>>> Nice one, Dora ![]() >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> Yeah, I was gonna' layer it and call it Scotty pie, but I knew the >>>>>> masses wouldn't stand for it ![]() >>>>>> >>>>>> Scotty >>>>> LOL. Anyway a 'Scotch Pie' (as opposed to a Scotty Pie) is another >>>>> creature entirely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_pie >>>> I am not familiar with that--and thus wouldn't be able to >>>> recognize a good recipe for it. Help! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jean B. >>> >>> >>> Sorry. It isn't something typically made at home. Here is a recipe >>> from the BBC for hot water crust: >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/da...try_8196.shtml >>> This recipe sounds reasonable: >>> http://www.rampantscotland.com/recip..._scotchpie.htm >> >> Thanks. That gives me a better understanding of what this is--even >> without cooking it at home. > > They are horribly greasy, Jean ![]() > I wonder whether they are ever made of leaner meat? -- Jean B. |
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![]() "Jean B." > wrote in message ... >>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/da...try_8196.shtml >>>> This recipe sounds reasonable: >>>> http://www.rampantscotland.com/recip..._scotchpie.htm >>> >>> Thanks. That gives me a better understanding of what this is--even >>> without cooking it at home. >> >> They are horribly greasy, Jean ![]() >> > > I wonder whether they are ever made of leaner meat? I don't know, they are very cheap pies and I haven't had one for years, nor do I think I would be tempted! -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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Stu wrote:
> Because we have the biggest population of french outside of Quebec, > and a large number of British and Scottish, we have three pie stores > that make pork, beef(Tourtière) and lamb pies daily. Lucky you! -- Jean B. |
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Default User wrote:
> caroline wrote: > >> >> "sf" wrote >>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:49:05 -0000, "caroline" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> "Dora" wrote >>>> >>>>> Well, it's different - but creativity is what it's all about! >>>>> Glad you enjoyed it. FWIW, shepherd's pie is topped with the >>>>> mashed potato, rather than layered, but if you liked it that's >>>>> all that counts. Dora >>>> >>>> I believe Shepherd's Pie is also made with lamb mince...the clue >>>> is in the name ;-) >>>> >>> Americans don't eat much lamb and although my family ate more lamb >>> than most, my mother only made it with beef. >> >> Then, in my opinion, what she made was Cottage Pie, not Shepherd's >> Pie. > > You are entitled to that opinion. My mother made shepard's pie. With > ground beef. We'd never heard of "cottage pie". Calling it Shepard's Pie is fine, as long as Shepard was a rancher. |
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Stu wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:07:31 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> Stu wrote: >> >>> Because we have the biggest population of french outside of Quebec, >>> and a large number of British and Scottish, we have three pie stores >>> that make pork, beef(Tourtière) and lamb pies daily. >> Lucky you! > > > They are gourmet shops so the pies are alittle pricey, but if you were > in a pinch would you care? I've had the beef and pork, perhaps lamb > this weekend with a nice salad :-) Ack! I feel a growing need to visit the possible shops here. I probably can't get to either that I am thinking of for at least two days though. -- Jean B. |
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![]() "Jean B." > wrote in message ... > Stu wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:07:31 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: >> >>> Stu wrote: >>> >>>> Because we have the biggest population of french outside of Quebec, >>>> and a large number of British and Scottish, we have three pie stores >>>> that make pork, beef(Tourtière) and lamb pies daily. >>> Lucky you! >> >> >> They are gourmet shops so the pies are alittle pricey, but if you were >> in a pinch would you care? I've had the beef and pork, perhaps lamb >> this weekend with a nice salad :-) > > Ack! I feel a growing need to visit the possible shops here. I probably > can't get to either that I am thinking of for at least two days though. *mutter* *grumble* at least you <can> get there!!! *mutter* -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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![]() "J. Clarke" > wrote in message ... > Default User wrote: >> caroline wrote: >> >>> >>> "sf" wrote >>>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:49:05 -0000, "caroline" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Dora" wrote >>>>> >>>>>> Well, it's different - but creativity is what it's all about! >>>>>> Glad you enjoyed it. FWIW, shepherd's pie is topped with the >>>>>> mashed potato, rather than layered, but if you liked it that's >>>>>> all that counts. Dora >>>>> >>>>> I believe Shepherd's Pie is also made with lamb mince...the clue >>>>> is in the name ;-) >>>>> >>>> Americans don't eat much lamb and although my family ate more lamb >>>> than most, my mother only made it with beef. >>> >>> Then, in my opinion, what she made was Cottage Pie, not Shepherd's >>> Pie. >> >> You are entitled to that opinion. My mother made shepard's pie. With >> ground beef. We'd never heard of "cottage pie". > > Calling it Shepard's Pie is fine, as long as Shepard was a rancher. <g> well I am sure that would do it ![]() -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Jean B." > wrote in message > ... >> Stu wrote: >>> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:07:31 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: >>> >>>> Stu wrote: >>>> >>>>> Because we have the biggest population of french outside of Quebec, >>>>> and a large number of British and Scottish, we have three pie stores >>>>> that make pork, beef(Tourtière) and lamb pies daily. >>>> Lucky you! >>> >>> >>> They are gourmet shops so the pies are alittle pricey, but if you were >>> in a pinch would you care? I've had the beef and pork, perhaps lamb >>> this weekend with a nice salad :-) >> >> Ack! I feel a growing need to visit the possible shops here. I >> probably can't get to either that I am thinking of for at least two >> days though. > > *mutter* *grumble* at least you <can> get there!!! *mutter* Why can't you get to any such place? I'd think you'd have more choices! -- Jean B. |
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![]() "Stu" wrote > She was a > wonderful woman, but the mini she drove scared the hell out of us > through the small windy roads. Ha ha...I can well imagine! <grin> |
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![]() "Jean B." > wrote in message ... > Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "Jean B." > wrote in message >> ... >>> Stu wrote: >>>> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:07:31 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stu wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Because we have the biggest population of french outside of Quebec, >>>>>> and a large number of British and Scottish, we have three pie stores >>>>>> that make pork, beef(Tourtière) and lamb pies daily. >>>>> Lucky you! >>>> >>>> >>>> They are gourmet shops so the pies are alittle pricey, but if you were >>>> in a pinch would you care? I've had the beef and pork, perhaps lamb >>>> this weekend with a nice salad :-) >>> >>> Ack! I feel a growing need to visit the possible shops here. I >>> probably can't get to either that I am thinking of for at least two days >>> though. >> >> *mutter* *grumble* at least you <can> get there!!! *mutter* > > Why can't you get to any such place? I'd think you'd have more choices! Fancy pie shops? Don't know of any, but I shall do a wee net search forthwith ![]() -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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![]() "J. Clarke" wrote > Calling it Shepard's Pie is fine, as long as Shepard was a rancher. Ah Geez! That needed a tea-spew warning!!! I like the logic! <grin> |
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On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:51:23 -0600, Stu > wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:49:37 -0800, sf > wrote: > > >On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:29:36 -0600, Stu > wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:15:15 -0800, sf > wrote: > >> > >> >On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:53:00 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> And their nomenclature. But shepherd's pie is also a matter of logic. > >> > > >> >Not if the only way you know shepherd's pie is with beef. > >> > >> But then that's only your opinion > > > >It's not my "opinion" when that's the truth. Like I said before. > >I've only heard of it made with lamb here in rfc. > > > There's a big world out there Not the point. -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:24:15 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
> sf wrote: > > On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:51:47 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: > > > >> Come to think of it, I have some lamb from Costco that I can use > >> in my stew! > > > > CostCo has decent lamb. ![]() > > > Yes, and cheap too. I have a nice boneless breast What do you usually do with it? I have a standard stuffing that I use for either veal or lamb... haven't done that in years though. >(Sheldon, I am > speaking of LAMB!), but that is for something else. Don't encourage him. -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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![]() "I am Tosk" wrote > In article >, > says... >> >> Default User wrote: >> > You are entitled to that opinion. My mother made shepard's pie. With >> > ground beef. We'd never heard of "cottage pie". >> >> Calling it Shepard's Pie is fine, as long as Shepard was a rancher. > > Or it was made with one of those big scary German police dogs ![]() Nah...because they are German Shepherd Dogs, and nothing at all to do with the cattle-ranching Shepard family. ;-) |
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Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Jean B." > wrote in message > ... >> Ophelia wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Jean B." > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Stu wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:07:31 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Stu wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Because we have the biggest population of french outside of Quebec, >>>>>>> and a large number of British and Scottish, we have three pie stores >>>>>>> that make pork, beef(Tourtière) and lamb pies daily. >>>>>> Lucky you! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They are gourmet shops so the pies are alittle pricey, but if you were >>>>> in a pinch would you care? I've had the beef and pork, perhaps lamb >>>>> this weekend with a nice salad :-) >>>> >>>> Ack! I feel a growing need to visit the possible shops here. I >>>> probably can't get to either that I am thinking of for at least two >>>> days though. >>> >>> *mutter* *grumble* at least you <can> get there!!! *mutter* >> >> Why can't you get to any such place? I'd think you'd have more choices! > > Fancy pie shops? Don't know of any, but I shall do a wee net search > forthwith ![]() > I'd think you'd have more in your vicinity! I don't know about fancy.... -- Jean B. |
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![]() "Jean B." wrote: > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > "Jean B." > wrote in message > > ... > >> Arri London wrote: > >>> > >>> "Jean B." wrote: > <snip> > >>>>> LOL. Anyway a 'Scotch Pie' (as opposed to a Scotty Pie) is another > >>>>> creature entirely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_pie > >>>> I am not familiar with that--and thus wouldn't be able to > >>>> recognize a good recipe for it. Help! > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Jean B. > >>> > >>> > >>> Sorry. It isn't something typically made at home. Here is a recipe > >>> from the BBC for hot water crust: > >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/da...try_8196.shtml > >>> This recipe sounds reasonable: > >>> http://www.rampantscotland.com/recip..._scotchpie.htm > >> > >> Thanks. That gives me a better understanding of what this is--even > >> without cooking it at home. > > > > They are horribly greasy, Jean ![]() > > > > I wonder whether they are ever made of leaner meat? > Prolly not. Meant to be a cheap thing to eat. Like 'pie and mash'. One doesn't make either of these out of the best meat :P |
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![]() Steve Pope wrote: > > sf > wrote: > > >On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:56:07 -0600, Stu > wrote: > > > >Someday, I'll try it with lamb... but I think of beef first when I see > >the words "shepherd's pie". > > I think to simplify everything, it should just be "beef pie", > "lamb pie", or "vegetable pie". > > Steve But there are various sorts of beef pies, lamb pies, pork pies and vegetable pies. The Shepherd's Pie and Cottage Pie are but one type of the genre. |
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![]() Wayne Boatwright wrote: > > On Thu 04 Feb 2010 03:26:44a, Janet Baraclough told us... > > > The message 0> > > from Wayne Boatwright > contains these > > words: > > > >> I see no reason for not making this at home. > > > > It would be like Scottish shepherds on the hillsides, trying to > > brew home made coca cola . A tragic example of > > international cultural confusion and insanity. > > > > Janet > > > > Oh, I don't know. I've made Melton Mowbray Pork Pie from a recipe I got > from a friend in the UK. It turned out just like the several I had eaten > in the UK. > It couldn't have been *just* like a real Melton Mowbray Pork Pie though ![]() pig to use did you LOL? Just teasing. No doubt it came out very good, although the Melton Mowbray Pork Pie Association probably wouldn't approve... |
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![]() Wayne Boatwright wrote: > > On Fri 05 Feb 2010 06:22:16p, Arri London told us... > > > > > > > Wayne Boatwright wrote: > >> > >> On Thu 04 Feb 2010 03:26:44a, Janet Baraclough told us... > >> > >> > The message 0> > >> > from Wayne Boatwright > contains these > >> > words: > >> > > >> >> I see no reason for not making this at home. > >> > > >> > It would be like Scottish shepherds on the hillsides, trying to > >> > brew home made coca cola . A tragic example of > >> > international cultural confusion and insanity. > >> > > >> > Janet > >> > > >> > >> Oh, I don't know. I've made Melton Mowbray Pork Pie from a recipe I got > >> from a friend in the UK. It turned out just like the several I had > eaten > >> in the UK. > >> > > > > > > It couldn't have been *just* like a real Melton Mowbray Pork Pie though > > ![]() > > pig to use did you LOL? > > No, I couldn't get the damned pig on the plane. New rules, ya know. Ya....they don't give pigs passports these days, do they LOL > > > Just teasing. No doubt it came out very good, although the Melton > > Mowbray Pork Pie Association probably wouldn't approve... > > Probably not. <sigh> > > -- > Could you post the recipe though please? It's not something that can be had around here and one does miss a good pork pie doncha know ![]() |
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(Steve Pope) wrote: > sf > wrote: > > >On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:56:07 -0600, Stu > wrote: > > > >Someday, I'll try it with lamb... but I think of beef first when I see > >the words "shepherd's pie". > > I think to simplify everything, it should just be "beef pie", > "lamb pie", or "vegetable pie". Bad idea, I think. Perhaps it makes sense, but I'll bet you anything that people will expect a pie crust, given those names, and will be confused if you have a pie topped with mashed potatoes, and they'll ask why you didn't call it a "shepherd's pie"? -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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