In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> > You left out Staten Island, the Statue of Liberty and some Museums. ;-)
>
> I left them out because I don't feel they are worth going to see. I've
> seen pictures of Staten Island and the Statue of Liberty - good enough,
> no need to see them in person. I'm not big on most museums either and
> there are museums available in places that are less crowded, noisy,
> filthy and crime ridden.

Mm, that's like saying that Mount Rushmore is good enough to see by
pictures. I disagree as I've been there. Pics do NOT do it justice.

Pictures are just not enough for me. :-)

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In article >,
I am Tosk > wrote:

> Great site, but I had three problems with this page:
>
> http://www.fantes.com/grinders.html#sausages
>
> First, They talk about casings coming in two to three foot lengths. The first
> time I saw that was a couple of month back when I bought casings from Stop
> and
> Shop. What a pain in the butt, two to three foot lengths leave a lot of waste
> if you want uniform size in your meats. I want to go back to the 20 foot
> chunks, do 15 pounds of meat and be done with it.
>
> Second and it's not a big problem but they said to run fat through the
> grinder
> to clean the meat out. Then what, throw it out? I don't really want to eat up
> a
> mix of 60% fat, 40 meat. We run a slice or two of stale bread through, add a
> bit of the prepared meat, and make a couple of pattys of bread and spiced
> meat.
> They cook up nice and are not overly greasy.... Well in terms of a pork
> sandwich anyway
>
> And finally C! Only kidding. Third, they suggested pricking the casings to
> let
> air out! WHAT? Just let the air out before you tie off the end! I spend a lot
> of time carefully picking good fat and measuring the right amount into my
> Kielbasa, I am not going to let half of it spill out onto the pan as it
> cooks.
> It's like cooking an easy over egg and breaking the yolk, I get really
> &*%$ed
> if I break the casing while cooking.
>
> The other note I had was with their suggestion of "tie the ends securely". I
> don't know about synthetic, but I use natural casings and I have always just
> twisted the ends, unless they are going to the smoker. I can't remember one
> opening up on me while cooking.
>
> I hope I didn't come off too critical, I am merely suggesting that I do
> things
> differently. The website looks very helpful and I am already seeing a couple
> of
> things I am going to order
>
> Scotty

Then just don't order the items you don't like. <g>
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In article >,
says...
>
> In article >,
> brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
> > there is nothing cooking-wise one can't buy on line,
> > hassle-free, and for a lower price.
>
> I do so have to agree with this. :-) I've recently kitchen gadget
> shopped on Amazon and found cool stuff I could not even find locally and
> for a good price.
>
> I purchased 3 microwave egg cooking items. A really totally awesome
> microwave egg soft/hard cooker (cooks 4 eggs at a time to perfection
> once you get your times figured out for your microwave wattage), a 4 egg
> microwave egg poacher that cooks 4 eggs in 1 minute, and a microwave
> omelet maker.
>
> My favorite of the three so far is the soft boiler:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yzm6deb
>
> It essentially steams the eggs but perfectly "soft boils" whole eggs
> without exploding them in 6 minutes for extra large eggs.

Do you knick the shell before you cook them?

Scotty

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In article >,
I am Tosk > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > In article >,
> > brooklyn1 > wrote:
> >
> > > there is nothing cooking-wise one can't buy on line,
> > > hassle-free, and for a lower price.
> >
> > I do so have to agree with this. :-) I've recently kitchen gadget
> > shopped on Amazon and found cool stuff I could not even find locally and
> > for a good price.
> >
> > I purchased 3 microwave egg cooking items. A really totally awesome
> > microwave egg soft/hard cooker (cooks 4 eggs at a time to perfection
> > once you get your times figured out for your microwave wattage), a 4 egg
> > microwave egg poacher that cooks 4 eggs in 1 minute, and a microwave
> > omelet maker.
> >
> > My favorite of the three so far is the soft boiler:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yzm6deb
> >
> > It essentially steams the eggs but perfectly "soft boils" whole eggs
> > without exploding them in 6 minutes for extra large eggs.
>
> Do you knick the shell before you cook them?
>
> Scotty

Nope! No need. :-)
I think the aluminum liner does something to keep them from exploding.
This thing really does work!
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:41:45 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote:

> 'gourmet' was possibly a poor choice of words. more kitchen doodads than
> the typical department store, say.

At my Lechter's, I'd say 90-95% of the stock was related directly
cooking. That's a mighty high percentage!

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On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:25:52 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

> Mm, that's like saying that Mount Rushmore is good enough to see by
> pictures. I disagree as I've been there. Pics do NOT do it justice.

The Statue of Liberty turned out to be a powerful symbol of our
country for me. I had no idea how emotional I would be when I saw it
up close and for real the first time. I actually choked up and got
teary when the ferry approached it.

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On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 05:46:44 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:44:05 -0500, blake murphy
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:25:36 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Having made many trips to NYC over the years, mostly for trade shows at
> > > > the Javits Center, I can assure you that there is nothing in that city
> > > > to keep you entertained all day unless you like noise, overcrowding,
> > > > filth, decay and crime.
> > >
> > > i think you're seeing only what you expect to see.
> > >
> > I could spend a week there and only scratch the surface of things to
> > see and do.
>
> Same here. I'd love to visit New York!

I've been there a couple of times, 5-7 days each, and barely left
Manhattan - there's so much to see and do. Definitely take The Circle
Tour, it's touristy, but worth it. And a lesser known museum to put
at the top of your list is The Cloisters.

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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:25:52 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > Mm, that's like saying that Mount Rushmore is good enough to see by
> > pictures. I disagree as I've been there. Pics do NOT do it justice.
>
> The Statue of Liberty turned out to be a powerful symbol of our
> country for me. I had no idea how emotional I would be when I saw it
> up close and for real the first time. I actually choked up and got
> teary when the ferry approached it.

I can imagine. :-)
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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 05:46:44 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:44:05 -0500, blake murphy
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:25:36 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Having made many trips to NYC over the years, mostly for trade shows
> > > > > at
> > > > > the Javits Center, I can assure you that there is nothing in that
> > > > > city
> > > > > to keep you entertained all day unless you like noise, overcrowding,
> > > > > filth, decay and crime.
> > > >
> > > > i think you're seeing only what you expect to see.
> > > >
> > > I could spend a week there and only scratch the surface of things to
> > > see and do.
> >
> > Same here. I'd love to visit New York!
>
> I've been there a couple of times, 5-7 days each, and barely left
> Manhattan - there's so much to see and do. Definitely take The Circle
> Tour, it's touristy, but worth it. And a lesser known museum to put
> at the top of your list is The Cloisters.

Thank you. :-)
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George Leppla wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
> > Omelet wrote:
> >> In article .com>,
> >> "Pete C." > wrote:
> >>
> >>> sf wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:44:05 -0500, blake murphy
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:25:36 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
> >>>>>> Having made many trips to NYC over the years, mostly for trade shows at
> >>>>>> the Javits Center, I can assure you that there is nothing in that city
> >>>>>> to keep you entertained all day unless you like noise, overcrowding,
> >>>>>> filth, decay and crime.
> >>>>> i think you're seeing only what you expect to see.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I could spend a week there and only scratch the surface of things to
> >>>> see and do.
> >>> Four hours max.
> >>>
> >>> 1hr - B&H Photo
> >>> 1hr - USS Intrepid
> >>> 1hr - Sub next to Intrepid
> >>> 1hr - Queen of Sheeba Ethiopian restaurant
> >>>
> >>> All done, time to go home to peace, quiet, cleanliness, elbow room and
> >>> safety.
> >> You left out Staten Island, the Statue of Liberty and some Museums. ;-)
> >
> > I left them out because I don't feel they are worth going to see. I've
> > seen pictures of Staten Island and the Statue of Liberty - good enough,
> > no need to see them in person. I'm not big on most museums either and
> > there are museums available in places that are less crowded, noisy,
> > filthy and crime ridden.
>
> I agree... you should stay home. Crack open a beer, look at pictures of
> famous places, read about various museums, you can even go on the
> inter-google and look at videos of real people actually doing
> things...... all from the comfort of your genuine Naugahyde covered
> Barcalounger.. Woo-hoo.... life sure is good for you!!!!!

I'll skip the beer and the Barcolounger and instead grab a diet cherry
Dr. Pepper and head for the shop to actually do something productive.

Omelet wrote:
>
> In article .com>,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > > You left out Staten Island, the Statue of Liberty and some Museums. ;-)
> >
> > I left them out because I don't feel they are worth going to see. I've
> > seen pictures of Staten Island and the Statue of Liberty - good enough,
> > no need to see them in person. I'm not big on most museums either and
> > there are museums available in places that are less crowded, noisy,
> > filthy and crime ridden.
>
> Mm, that's like saying that Mount Rushmore is good enough to see by
> pictures. I disagree as I've been there. Pics do NOT do it justice.
>
> Pictures are just not enough for me. :-)
>
> Just stay in at night and you are ok!

Interestingly enough, I almost added "same for Mt. Rushmore" to that
SI/SOL sentence.

In article . com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > In article .com>,
> > "Pete C." > wrote:
> >
> > > > You left out Staten Island, the Statue of Liberty and some Museums. ;-)
> > >
> > > I left them out because I don't feel they are worth going to see. I've
> > > seen pictures of Staten Island and the Statue of Liberty - good enough,
> > > no need to see them in person. I'm not big on most museums either and
> > > there are museums available in places that are less crowded, noisy,
> > > filthy and crime ridden.
> >
> > Mm, that's like saying that Mount Rushmore is good enough to see by
> > pictures. I disagree as I've been there. Pics do NOT do it justice.
> >
> > Pictures are just not enough for me. :-)
> >
> > Just stay in at night and you are ok!
>
> Interestingly enough, I almost added "same for Mt. Rushmore" to that
> SI/SOL sentence.

Good thing you did not. It honestly is not the same. Mount Rushmore is
literally breathtaking.

Beautiful drive and country too! Had three mountain goats slide down
the side of a cliff in front of the car. Lots of wildlife of the 4
legged variety...
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I am Tosk wrote:
>
> In article .com>, aux3.DOH.4
> @snet.net says...
> >
> > blake murphy wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:25:36 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Having made many trips to NYC over the years, mostly for trade shows at
> > > > the Javits Center, I can assure you that there is nothing in that city
> > > > to keep you entertained all day unless you like noise, overcrowding,
> > > > filth, decay and crime.
> > >
> > > i think you're seeing only what you expect to see.
> > >
> > > blake
> >
> > No, I'm seeing all of it. It's just that the noise, overcrowding, filth,
> > decay and crime is the overwhelming component. The few good parts are
> > vastly overshadowed by the bad parts, and some of the things that others
> > think are good are things I couldn't care less about.
>
> Is it a possibility you just don't know where to look? You seem pretty
> convinced. I have friends in the city too, that helps. Hell, my daughter lives
> right outside DC. She loves it there, loves the city, the museums, the people,
> the culture, and spending time with her friends, all within walking distance.

I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
outside a city.

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:16:55 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

> In article .com>, aux3.DOH.4
> @snet.net says...
>>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:25:36 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Having made many trips to NYC over the years, mostly for trade shows at
>>> > the Javits Center, I can assure you that there is nothing in that city
>>> > to keep you entertained all day unless you like noise, overcrowding,
>>> > filth, decay and crime.
>>>
>>> i think you're seeing only what you expect to see.
>>>
>>> blake
>>
>> No, I'm seeing all of it. It's just that the noise, overcrowding, filth,
>> decay and crime is the overwhelming component. The few good parts are
>> vastly overshadowed by the bad parts, and some of the things that others
>> think are good are things I couldn't care less about.
>
> Is it a possibility you just don't know where to look? You seem pretty
> convinced. I have friends in the city too, that helps. Hell, my daughter lives
> right outside DC. She loves it there, loves the city, the museums, the people,
> the culture, and spending time with her friends, all within walking distance.
>
> Scotty

the d.c. area is a nice place to live (with the possible exception of food
prices). availability of 'exotic' food items and restaurants is pretty
good, too. the people i run into day-to-day are friendly.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> outside a city.

That's an opinion, not fact.

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sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> > outside a city.
>
> That's an opinion, not fact.

No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
evidence for.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:
>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> > > outside a city.
> >
> > That's an opinion, not fact.
>
> No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> evidence for.

No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
more valid than your so called theory.

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sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> > > > outside a city.
> > >
> > > That's an opinion, not fact.
> >
> > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> > evidence for.
>
> No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
> county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
> country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
> more valid than your so called theory.

My theory is supported by the large numbers of people fleeing the
decaying cities for rural areas. I've talked to many such people and all
have indicated that rural was much better than city. I've not found many
folks fleeing the country for the city, and the few folks I have known
who did leave the country for the city, mostly due to some great job
offer all quit those jobs and returned to the country within a year.

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> > > > outside a city.
> > >
> > > That's an opinion, not fact.
> >
> > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> > evidence for.
>
> No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
> county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
> country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
> more valid than your so called theory.

In the country you can:

- Drive your own car out to get groceries and then up your own driveway
and park it in your own garage.

- Your children can play in their own safe yard where you can watch them
out the window while preparing dinner.

- You can walk out of your house and across your yard to your own shop
where you can work on your car, woodworking project, metalworking
project, etc.

- You can relax in your own pool in your own backyard, and watch the
birds (not flying rat pigeons) chirping in your own trees.

- You can go to sleep at night with your window open listening to
crickets chirping and smelling the fresh clean breeze blowing in.

- You can grow vegetables in your own garden in your own yard and cook
up those fresh vegetables in your own kitchen.


In the city you can:

- Take a city bus to go the grocery store and sit next to a homeless
alcoholic who smells of urine, vomit and feces, all while trying to
carry your bags of groceries and not drop anything.

- You can take your children several blocks away to a city park where
you have to constantly watch out for pedophiles, used drug addict
syringes, gangs, etc.

- You can read magazines about people who work on their own cars, do
their own woodworking or metalworking projects and have their own shops.

- You can take a city bus a few miles to a city pool where you can relax
on the deck while they skim out the turd some kid left in the pool while
listening to the flying rat pigeons squawk sitting on the razor wire
topped chain link fence surrounding the pool area.

- You can go to sleep at night with your window open listening to the
traffic, horns, gunshots and ranting mentally ill, while the diesel
exhaust breeze wafts in.

- You can walk or take the bus out to spend your money at one of the
many restaurants catering to people who can't afford an apartment large
enough to have a useable kitchen.


Yep, the city sure beats the country... not...

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:31:53 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > sf wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> > > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> > > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> > > > > outside a city.
> > > >
> > > > That's an opinion, not fact.
> > >
> > > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> > > evidence for.
> >
> > No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
> > county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
> > country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
> > more valid than your so called theory.
>
> My theory is supported by the large numbers of people fleeing the
> decaying cities for rural areas. I've talked to many such people and all
> have indicated that rural was much better than city. I've not found many
> folks fleeing the country for the city, and the few folks I have known
> who did leave the country for the city, mostly due to some great job
> offer all quit those jobs and returned to the country within a year.

Yeah, right. "Quit their jobs", hahahah! Quit or be fired is more
like it.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:30:48 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > sf wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> > > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> > > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> > > > > outside a city.
> > > >
> > > > That's an opinion, not fact.
> > >
> > > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> > > evidence for.
> >
> > No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
> > county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
> > country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
> > more valid than your so called theory.
>
> In the country you can:
>
> - Drive your own car out to get groceries and then up your own driveway
> and park it in your own garage.
>
> - Your children can play in their own safe yard where you can watch them
> out the window while preparing dinner.
>
> - You can walk out of your house and across your yard to your own shop
> where you can work on your car, woodworking project, metalworking
> project, etc.
>
> - You can relax in your own pool in your own backyard, and watch the
> birds (not flying rat pigeons) chirping in your own trees.
>
> - You can go to sleep at night with your window open listening to
> crickets chirping and smelling the fresh clean breeze blowing in.
>
> - You can grow vegetables in your own garden in your own yard and cook
> up those fresh vegetables in your own kitchen.
>
>
> In the city you can:
>
> - Take a city bus to go the grocery store and sit next to a homeless
> alcoholic who smells of urine, vomit and feces, all while trying to
> carry your bags of groceries and not drop anything.
>
> - You can take your children several blocks away to a city park where
> you have to constantly watch out for pedophiles, used drug addict
> syringes, gangs, etc.
>
> - You can read magazines about people who work on their own cars, do
> their own woodworking or metalworking projects and have their own shops.
>
> - You can take a city bus a few miles to a city pool where you can relax
> on the deck while they skim out the turd some kid left in the pool while
> listening to the flying rat pigeons squawk sitting on the razor wire
> topped chain link fence surrounding the pool area.
>
> - You can go to sleep at night with your window open listening to the
> traffic, horns, gunshots and ranting mentally ill, while the diesel
> exhaust breeze wafts in.
>
> - You can walk or take the bus out to spend your money at one of the
> many restaurants catering to people who can't afford an apartment large
> enough to have a useable kitchen.
>
>
> Yep, the city sure beats the country... not...

Pure fantasy. You've never lived in a city.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:31:53 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > sf wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> > > > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> > > > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> > > > > > outside a city.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's an opinion, not fact.
> > > >
> > > > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> > > > evidence for.
> > >
> > > No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
> > > county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
> > > country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
> > > more valid than your so called theory.
> >
> > My theory is supported by the large numbers of people fleeing the
> > decaying cities for rural areas. I've talked to many such people and all
> > have indicated that rural was much better than city. I've not found many
> > folks fleeing the country for the city, and the few folks I have known
> > who did leave the country for the city, mostly due to some great job
> > offer all quit those jobs and returned to the country within a year.
>
> Yeah, right. "Quit their jobs", hahahah! Quit or be fired is more
> like it.

Quit jobs better than you'll ever have, rather than live in a miserable
city or worse yet, have to raise their children in a miserable city.

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:30:48 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > sf wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> > > > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> > > > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> > > > > > outside a city.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's an opinion, not fact.
> > > >
> > > > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> > > > evidence for.
> > >
> > > No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
> > > county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
> > > country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
> > > more valid than your so called theory.
> >
> > In the country you can:
> >
> > - Drive your own car out to get groceries and then up your own driveway
> > and park it in your own garage.
> >
> > - Your children can play in their own safe yard where you can watch them
> > out the window while preparing dinner.
> >
> > - You can walk out of your house and across your yard to your own shop
> > where you can work on your car, woodworking project, metalworking
> > project, etc.
> >
> > - You can relax in your own pool in your own backyard, and watch the
> > birds (not flying rat pigeons) chirping in your own trees.
> >
> > - You can go to sleep at night with your window open listening to
> > crickets chirping and smelling the fresh clean breeze blowing in.
> >
> > - You can grow vegetables in your own garden in your own yard and cook
> > up those fresh vegetables in your own kitchen.
> >
> >
> > In the city you can:
> >
> > - Take a city bus to go the grocery store and sit next to a homeless
> > alcoholic who smells of urine, vomit and feces, all while trying to
> > carry your bags of groceries and not drop anything.
> >
> > - You can take your children several blocks away to a city park where
> > you have to constantly watch out for pedophiles, used drug addict
> > syringes, gangs, etc.
> >
> > - You can read magazines about people who work on their own cars, do
> > their own woodworking or metalworking projects and have their own shops.
> >
> > - You can take a city bus a few miles to a city pool where you can relax
> > on the deck while they skim out the turd some kid left in the pool while
> > listening to the flying rat pigeons squawk sitting on the razor wire
> > topped chain link fence surrounding the pool area.
> >
> > - You can go to sleep at night with your window open listening to the
> > traffic, horns, gunshots and ranting mentally ill, while the diesel
> > exhaust breeze wafts in.
> >
> > - You can walk or take the bus out to spend your money at one of the
> > many restaurants catering to people who can't afford an apartment large
> > enough to have a useable kitchen.
> >
> >
> > Yep, the city sure beats the country... not...
>
> Pure fantasy. You've never lived in a city.

Nor will I ever live in a filthy city. I have however visited a number
of them and all were not fit for human habitation.

I have walked through several city parks and seen multiple used syringes
lying around. I certainly would never bring my children to such a filthy
place to play, and not living in a city that wouldn't be a problem since
I own acres of nice green grass with no used drug paraphernalia anywhere
on the property.

I have my own well equipped workshop on my own property and my shop
alone is larger than a great many city dwellers entire apartments (1,100
sq. ft. shop). I can also do my metalworking hobbies all I want in my
shop, not just read about people doing that in magazines like city
folks. Hell, my metal suppliers semi delivers directly to my shop at no
extra charge.

I have trees, wooded areas, green grass, a large pond and plenty of
elbow room all to myself. No homeless people sleeping on park benches,
no multi block walk to get to a place with grass and trees, no litter
and filth.

I can open my windows at night in the nice weather and hear the crickets
and some frogs at the pond. The only gunshots I hear are before the
start of deer season when my neighbors are sighting in. There is no gang
graffiti on the side of my house, no drug dealers at the street corner,
and no ranting mentally ill folks. I don't trip over homeless people
when I walk out to my mailbox.

The only fantasy here is the folks who have deluded themselves into
believing that their beloved city is anything more than the filthy slum
it really is.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:05:18 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:31:53 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > sf wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > sf wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> > > > > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> > > > > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> > > > > > > outside a city.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's an opinion, not fact.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> > > > > evidence for.
> > > >
> > > > No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
> > > > county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
> > > > country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
> > > > more valid than your so called theory.
> > >
> > > My theory is supported by the large numbers of people fleeing the
> > > decaying cities for rural areas. I've talked to many such people and all
> > > have indicated that rural was much better than city. I've not found many
> > > folks fleeing the country for the city, and the few folks I have known
> > > who did leave the country for the city, mostly due to some great job
> > > offer all quit those jobs and returned to the country within a year.
> >
> > Yeah, right. "Quit their jobs", hahahah! Quit or be fired is more
> > like it.
>
> Quit jobs better than you'll ever have, rather than live in a miserable
> city or worse yet, have to raise their children in a miserable city.

hahaha

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:16:36 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> I can open my windows at night in the nice weather and hear the crickets
> and some frogs at the pond.

I can't tell you how much I hated that. They are so freekin noisy.
Coming to the city meant peace & quiet and a decent nights sleep for a
change. Best of all, no bugs! YAY!

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:16:36 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> > I can open my windows at night in the nice weather and hear the crickets
> > and some frogs at the pond.
>
> I can't tell you how much I hated that. They are so freekin noisy.
> Coming to the city meant peace & quiet and a decent nights sleep for a
> change. Best of all, no bugs! YAY!

No bugs... in the city... *hysterical laughter* Cities have giant
cockroaches everywhere, you just don't see them too much since they hide
from light.

I'll take crickets chirping and frogs peeping, nice relaxing natural
sounds over the traffic, horns, gunshots and lunatic rantings of the
city.

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:05:18 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:31:53 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > sf wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sf wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> > > > > > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> > > > > > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> > > > > > > > outside a city.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's an opinion, not fact.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> > > > > > evidence for.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
> > > > > county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
> > > > > country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
> > > > > more valid than your so called theory.
> > > >
> > > > My theory is supported by the large numbers of people fleeing the
> > > > decaying cities for rural areas. I've talked to many such people and all
> > > > have indicated that rural was much better than city. I've not found many
> > > > folks fleeing the country for the city, and the few folks I have known
> > > > who did leave the country for the city, mostly due to some great job
> > > > offer all quit those jobs and returned to the country within a year.
> > >
> > > Yeah, right. "Quit their jobs", hahahah! Quit or be fired is more
> > > like it.
> >
> > Quit jobs better than you'll ever have, rather than live in a miserable
> > city or worse yet, have to raise their children in a miserable city.
>
> hahaha

True whether you want to believe it or not. One friend quit a job that
was well into 6 figures rather than have to raise their children in a
miserable city. Heck that job even came with a $1M house on the
outskirts of the city, not actually in it, but it was still not a good
environment to raise your children. That friend moved back to a nice
semi-rural area with a big yard for his kids to play in safely, and to a
job paying half as much, but far better quality of life.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:05:18 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>sf wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:31:53 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > sf wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > sf wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
>> > > > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
>> > > > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
>> > > > > > outside a city.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > That's an opinion, not fact.
>> > > >
>> > > > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
>> > > > evidence for.
>> > >
>> > > No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
>> > > county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
>> > > country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
>> > > more valid than your so called theory.
>> >
>> > My theory is supported by the large numbers of people fleeing the
>> > decaying cities for rural areas. I've talked to many such people and all
>> > have indicated that rural was much better than city. I've not found many
>> > folks fleeing the country for the city, and the few folks I have known
>> > who did leave the country for the city, mostly due to some great job
>> > offer all quit those jobs and returned to the country within a year.
>>
>> Yeah, right. "Quit their jobs", hahahah! Quit or be fired is more
>> like it.
>
>Quit jobs better than you'll ever have, rather than live in a miserable
>city or worse yet, have to raise their children in a miserable city.

I retired to a rural location... unless you're retired on a good
pension (or independantly wealthy) you can *exist* here but you can't
*live* here, there is no way to earn a living wage... the best paying
job in town here is dancing at the titty bar. In fact with the
present lousy economy our one and only titty bar closed last week. ALL
the kids growing up here IF they graduate HS they go off to a big town
college and never return. Most familys here raising children are dirt
poor, barely existing in dilapidated old shacks in the woods, parents
spend their few dollars on booze/drugs and kids can't even bathe
because there's no money for the water heater, they wear schmatahs,
and miss a lot of school.... here the biggest job the school nurse has
is contacting social services. I can go on but all I'll say is if you
gotta work for a living you do NOT want to raise children here... the
few kids here with moneyed parents get into the most trouble because
there isn't much else for kids to do but get into trouble. Rural
areas are a great place to live out the end of ones life but the worst
place for young folks to raise children.

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:11:59 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:16:36 -0600, "Pete C." >
>wrote:
>
>> I can open my windows at night in the nice weather and hear the crickets
>> and some frogs at the pond.
>
>I can't tell you how much I hated that. They are so freekin noisy.
>Coming to the city meant peace & quiet and a decent nights sleep for a
>change. Best of all, no bugs! YAY!

I couldn't live here with opened windows... the constant din of
bugs/frogs is nothing compared to tons of pollen. I never open my
windows, in fact I got rid of all the window screens... while they
were in they'd get so loaded with pollen I'd need to hose them off
every day or I'd not be able to see out... and if I dared open the
windows all that pollen would blow inside, a disaster... would coat
everything 1/8" deep every day. They couldn't install the central air
fast enough.

In article >, says...

> >
> >
> > Yep, the city sure beats the country... not...
>
> Pure fantasy. You've never lived in a city.

My daughter insists that living in the city is better for the environment! I
asked her if they could take the land she lives on and turn it back into farm
land with all the concentration of pollutants there, of course she was silent.
With a chain saw and a couple of bulldozers I could revert the land I and all
of my neighbors live to it's natural state in a few weeks...

Scotty

--
Can I haz Cheezeburger?

In article .com>, aux3.DOH.4
@snet.net says...

>
> I'll take crickets chirping and frogs peeping, nice relaxing natural
> sounds over the traffic, horns, gunshots and lunatic rantings of the
> city.

I have both... I live in the country and watch a lot of cop drama on TV!

Scotty



--
Can I haz Cheezeburger?

brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:05:18 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >sf wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:31:53 -0600, "Pete C." >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > sf wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > sf wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> >> > > > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> >> > > > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> >> > > > > > outside a city.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > That's an opinion, not fact.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> >> > > > evidence for.
> >> > >
> >> > > No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
> >> > > county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
> >> > > country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
> >> > > more valid than your so called theory.
> >> >
> >> > My theory is supported by the large numbers of people fleeing the
> >> > decaying cities for rural areas. I've talked to many such people and all
> >> > have indicated that rural was much better than city. I've not found many
> >> > folks fleeing the country for the city, and the few folks I have known
> >> > who did leave the country for the city, mostly due to some great job
> >> > offer all quit those jobs and returned to the country within a year.
> >>
> >> Yeah, right. "Quit their jobs", hahahah! Quit or be fired is more
> >> like it.
> >
> >Quit jobs better than you'll ever have, rather than live in a miserable
> >city or worse yet, have to raise their children in a miserable city.
>
> I retired to a rural location... unless you're retired on a good
> pension (or independantly wealthy) you can *exist* here but you can't
> *live* here, there is no way to earn a living wage... the best paying
> job in town here is dancing at the titty bar. In fact with the
> present lousy economy our one and only titty bar closed last week. ALL
> the kids growing up here IF they graduate HS they go off to a big town
> college and never return. Most familys here raising children are dirt
> poor, barely existing in dilapidated old shacks in the woods, parents
> spend their few dollars on booze/drugs and kids can't even bathe
> because there's no money for the water heater, they wear schmatahs,
> and miss a lot of school.... here the biggest job the school nurse has
> is contacting social services. I can go on but all I'll say is if you
> gotta work for a living you do NOT want to raise children here... the
> few kids here with moneyed parents get into the most trouble because
> there isn't much else for kids to do but get into trouble. Rural
> areas are a great place to live out the end of ones life but the worst
> place for young folks to raise children.

Depends on just how rural, and of course there are quite a few
"portable" jobs that pay very well and can be done from most anywhere. I
make six figures sitting in my home office out here in the semi country,
and I can do staff meeting conference calls from my hammock outside in
the nice weather.

brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:11:59 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:16:36 -0600, "Pete C." >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I can open my windows at night in the nice weather and hear the crickets
> >> and some frogs at the pond.
> >
> >I can't tell you how much I hated that. They are so freekin noisy.
> >Coming to the city meant peace & quiet and a decent nights sleep for a
> >change. Best of all, no bugs! YAY!
>
> I couldn't live here with opened windows... the constant din of
> bugs/frogs is nothing compared to tons of pollen. I never open my
> windows, in fact I got rid of all the window screens... while they
> were in they'd get so loaded with pollen I'd need to hose them off
> every day or I'd not be able to see out... and if I dared open the
> windows all that pollen would blow inside, a disaster... would coat
> everything 1/8" deep every day. They couldn't install the central air
> fast enough.

Fortunately, in the several rural places I've lived, the pollen issues
were confined to a period of less than a week.

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:54:21 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:05:18 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >sf wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:31:53 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > sf wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > sf wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> >> > > > > wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
>> >> > > > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
>> >> > > > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
>> >> > > > > > outside a city.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > That's an opinion, not fact.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
>> >> > > > evidence for.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
>> >> > > county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
>> >> > > country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
>> >> > > more valid than your so called theory.
>> >> >
>> >> > My theory is supported by the large numbers of people fleeing the
>> >> > decaying cities for rural areas. I've talked to many such people and all
>> >> > have indicated that rural was much better than city. I've not found many
>> >> > folks fleeing the country for the city, and the few folks I have known
>> >> > who did leave the country for the city, mostly due to some great job
>> >> > offer all quit those jobs and returned to the country within a year.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, right. "Quit their jobs", hahahah! Quit or be fired is more
>> >> like it.
>> >
>> >Quit jobs better than you'll ever have, rather than live in a miserable
>> >city or worse yet, have to raise their children in a miserable city.
>>
>> I retired to a rural location... unless you're retired on a good
>> pension (or independantly wealthy) you can *exist* here but you can't
>> *live* here, there is no way to earn a living wage... the best paying
>> job in town here is dancing at the titty bar. In fact with the
>> present lousy economy our one and only titty bar closed last week. ALL
>> the kids growing up here IF they graduate HS they go off to a big town
>> college and never return. Most familys here raising children are dirt
>> poor, barely existing in dilapidated old shacks in the woods, parents
>> spend their few dollars on booze/drugs and kids can't even bathe
>> because there's no money for the water heater, they wear schmatahs,
>> and miss a lot of school.... here the biggest job the school nurse has
>> is contacting social services. I can go on but all I'll say is if you
>> gotta work for a living you do NOT want to raise children here... the
>> few kids here with moneyed parents get into the most trouble because
>> there isn't much else for kids to do but get into trouble. Rural
>> areas are a great place to live out the end of ones life but the worst
>> place for young folks to raise children.
>
>Depends on just how rural, and of course there are quite a few
>"portable" jobs that pay very well and can be done from most anywhere. I
>make six figures sitting in my home office out here in the semi country,
>and I can do staff meeting conference calls from my hammock outside in
>the nice weather.

Now you're back pedaling, to "how rural" and to "semi country"... wtf
is semi country... must be like a little bit prego. Do you actually
think anyone believes you, you haven't a gram of credibility, and you
never will.

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:56:20 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:11:59 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:16:36 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> I can open my windows at night in the nice weather and hear the crickets
>> >> and some frogs at the pond.
>> >
>> >I can't tell you how much I hated that. They are so freekin noisy.
>> >Coming to the city meant peace & quiet and a decent nights sleep for a
>> >change. Best of all, no bugs! YAY!
>>
>> I couldn't live here with opened windows... the constant din of
>> bugs/frogs is nothing compared to tons of pollen. I never open my
>> windows, in fact I got rid of all the window screens... while they
>> were in they'd get so loaded with pollen I'd need to hose them off
>> every day or I'd not be able to see out... and if I dared open the
>> windows all that pollen would blow inside, a disaster... would coat
>> everything 1/8" deep every day. They couldn't install the central air
>> fast enough.
>
>Fortunately, in the several rural places I've lived, the pollen issues
>were confined to a period of less than a week.

The bi-polar regions.
Nobody believes you.

brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:54:21 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:05:18 -0600, "Pete C." >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >sf wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:31:53 -0600, "Pete C." >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > sf wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:45:16 -0600, "Pete C." >
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > sf wrote:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
> >> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> >> >> > > > > > overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> >> >> > > > > > lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> >> >> > > > > > outside a city.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > That's an opinion, not fact.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > No, it's a theory, and one that there is a sizable amount of supporting
> >> >> > > > evidence for.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > No, it's opinion... Just like it's my opinion that I can't stand
> >> >> > > county life and prefer city living based on having lived in the
> >> >> > > country and having lived in a city (not the burbs). My opinion is
> >> >> > > more valid than your so called theory.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My theory is supported by the large numbers of people fleeing the
> >> >> > decaying cities for rural areas. I've talked to many such people and all
> >> >> > have indicated that rural was much better than city. I've not found many
> >> >> > folks fleeing the country for the city, and the few folks I have known
> >> >> > who did leave the country for the city, mostly due to some great job
> >> >> > offer all quit those jobs and returned to the country within a year.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yeah, right. "Quit their jobs", hahahah! Quit or be fired is more
> >> >> like it.
> >> >
> >> >Quit jobs better than you'll ever have, rather than live in a miserable
> >> >city or worse yet, have to raise their children in a miserable city.
> >>
> >> I retired to a rural location... unless you're retired on a good
> >> pension (or independantly wealthy) you can *exist* here but you can't
> >> *live* here, there is no way to earn a living wage... the best paying
> >> job in town here is dancing at the titty bar. In fact with the
> >> present lousy economy our one and only titty bar closed last week. ALL
> >> the kids growing up here IF they graduate HS they go off to a big town
> >> college and never return. Most familys here raising children are dirt
> >> poor, barely existing in dilapidated old shacks in the woods, parents
> >> spend their few dollars on booze/drugs and kids can't even bathe
> >> because there's no money for the water heater, they wear schmatahs,
> >> and miss a lot of school.... here the biggest job the school nurse has
> >> is contacting social services. I can go on but all I'll say is if you
> >> gotta work for a living you do NOT want to raise children here... the
> >> few kids here with moneyed parents get into the most trouble because
> >> there isn't much else for kids to do but get into trouble. Rural
> >> areas are a great place to live out the end of ones life but the worst
> >> place for young folks to raise children.
> >
> >Depends on just how rural, and of course there are quite a few
> >"portable" jobs that pay very well and can be done from most anywhere. I
> >make six figures sitting in my home office out here in the semi country,
> >and I can do staff meeting conference calls from my hammock outside in
> >the nice weather.
>
> Now you're back pedaling, to "how rural" and to "semi country"... wtf
> is semi country... must be like a little bit prego. Do you actually
> think anyone believes you, you haven't a gram of credibility, and you
> never will.

semi-country = I have multiple acres of lovely property, not a 1/4 acre
spec.
semi-country = I look out my office window and see a horse in my
neighbor's yard across the street.
semi-country = Grocery stores, Home Depot, Lowe's, etc. are only 10
minutes away.

A also said that *I* live in the semi-country. Some of the friends I
mentioned who quit city jobs so they could raise their children in a
safe environment live in more suburb areas with lots of around 1-2
acres, which is still vastly better than a zero acre, not a speck of
yard or grass big city compartment... er... apartment.

brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:56:20 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:11:59 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:16:36 -0600, "Pete C." >
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I can open my windows at night in the nice weather and hear the crickets
> >> >> and some frogs at the pond.
> >> >
> >> >I can't tell you how much I hated that. They are so freekin noisy.
> >> >Coming to the city meant peace & quiet and a decent nights sleep for a
> >> >change. Best of all, no bugs! YAY!
> >>
> >> I couldn't live here with opened windows... the constant din of
> >> bugs/frogs is nothing compared to tons of pollen. I never open my
> >> windows, in fact I got rid of all the window screens... while they
> >> were in they'd get so loaded with pollen I'd need to hose them off
> >> every day or I'd not be able to see out... and if I dared open the
> >> windows all that pollen would blow inside, a disaster... would coat
> >> everything 1/8" deep every day. They couldn't install the central air
> >> fast enough.
> >
> >Fortunately, in the several rural places I've lived, the pollen issues
> >were confined to a period of less than a week.
>
> The bi-polar regions.
> Nobody believes you.

That means a lot coming from the master of non-credible statements...

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:55:50 -0500, I am Tosk
> wrote:

> My daughter insists that living in the city is better for the environment! I
> asked her if they could take the land she lives on and turn it back into farm
> land with all the concentration of pollutants there, of course she was silent.
> With a chain saw and a couple of bulldozers I could revert the land I and all
> of my neighbors live to it's natural state in a few weeks...

Then you'd be back living in the city. Ironic isn't it?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:40:45 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> A also said that *I* live in the semi-country. Some of the friends I
> mentioned who quit city jobs so they could raise their children in a
> safe environment live in more suburb areas with lots of around 1-2
> acres,

Better known as suburbia. Good grief. That wasn't even on the menu
but I hate the burbs even more than I hate the country. The burbs are
McMansions, big box stores and chain restaurants. Bland, bland,
bland.

> which is still vastly better than a zero acre, not a speck of
> yard or grass big city compartment... er... apartment.

I like city apartments/condos. Someday I'll move within a block or
two of city center and buy one in the 2,000+ sq ft range. In the mean
time, I live in a decent sized house on a sizable lot for the city
with yard space on all four sides. Public transportation is at the
end of the block and shopping is within easy walking distance. It
doesn't get better than that. No how, no way do the burbs compete.
Oh, your wunnerful tele job? Not too many people have that -
otherwise the freeways wouldn't be so crowded during commute hours.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:29 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

> I am Tosk wrote:
>>
>> In article .com>, aux3.DOH.4
>> @snet.net says...
>>>
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:25:36 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Having made many trips to NYC over the years, mostly for trade shows at
>>> > > the Javits Center, I can assure you that there is nothing in that city
>>> > > to keep you entertained all day unless you like noise, overcrowding,
>>> > > filth, decay and crime.
>>> >
>>> > i think you're seeing only what you expect to see.
>>> >
>>> > blake
>>>
>>> No, I'm seeing all of it. It's just that the noise, overcrowding, filth,
>>> decay and crime is the overwhelming component. The few good parts are
>>> vastly overshadowed by the bad parts, and some of the things that others
>>> think are good are things I couldn't care less about.
>>
>> Is it a possibility you just don't know where to look? You seem pretty
>> convinced. I have friends in the city too, that helps. Hell, my daughter lives
>> right outside DC. She loves it there, loves the city, the museums, the people,
>> the culture, and spending time with her friends, all within walking distance.
>
> I think it's a function of becoming accustomed to the noise,
> overcrowding, filth, decay and crime in a big city. Those who have only
> lived in big cities have no perspective on how much better life is
> outside a city.

you seem to mention 'filth' in every post. jesus, even monk manages to
cope with san francisco.

blake