As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.
http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4

With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
live with it.

So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?

On Feb 23, 8:39*am, mg > wrote:
> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> live with it.
>
> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?

There are several grades of stainless. Stainless can stain but not
rust.

"mg" > wrote in message
...
> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.
> http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> live with it.
>
> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>

As another poster said, stainless can stain, but shouldn't rust.

*However*, I would be calling Kohler and tell them your "stainless" steel
sink is staining. They are a reputable company that values their name and
may not want to split hairs over the word "stainless". They may offer you
something (replacement, etc...)

The worst they can say is "no".

On Feb 23, 11:20*am, "Joe" > wrote:
> "mg" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> > steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> > Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.
> >http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> > With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> > rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> > the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> > the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> > sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> > some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> > the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> > live with it.
>
> > So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> > I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> As another poster said, stainless can stain, but shouldn't rust.
>
> *However*, I would be calling Kohler and tell them your "stainless" steel
> sink is staining. *They are a reputable company that values their name and
> may not want to split hairs over the word "stainless". *They may offer you
> something (replacement, etc...)
>
> The worst they can say is "no".- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe it shouldnt stain, is a bad batch of steeel possible, yes call
kohler, they know whats up

On Feb 23, 8:39*am, mg > wrote:
> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> live with it.
>
> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?

Maybe it has a different surface finish than what you're used to.
Brushed, maybe? I love stainless steel, but you have to know how to
clean it.

Try different cleaning methods. Start with a paste of baking soda and
dishwashing liquid to scrub the whole sink with a brush. It works
wonderfully for me.

If that doesn't work, move up to using some acid cleaning, like
letting vinegar soak on it or by scrubbing it with Bar Keeper's Friend
(oxalic acid cleanser).

By the way stainless steel CAN rust slightly if it is a poor grade
alloy with insufficient chromium. I doubt that is the case here.

On Feb 23, 8:39*am, mg > wrote:
> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> live with it.
>
> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?

After looking up "stainless steel magic", it looks like your cleaner
is the problem. It is based on petroleum distilates which are fine
for breaking down grease, but are useless for dealing with calcium
deposits, which is likely what you have from water gathering under the
bottle and evaporating.

You'll need an acid-based cleanser, as I mentioned in an earlier reply
(vinegar, oxalic acid, etc.).

On Feb 23, 9:32*am, wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:06:14 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Feb 23, 8:39*am, mg > wrote:
> >> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> >> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> >> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> >> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> >> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> >> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> >> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> >> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> >> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> >> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> >> live with it.
>
> >> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> >> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> >There are several grades of stainless. Stainless can stain but not
> >rust.
>
> You are correct that there are lots of variations that are
> collectively called Stainless Steel. You are incorrect about it not
> suffering from corrosion. Even the marine grades of stainless can and
> do corrode, and sometimes quickly and severely. Stainless Steel loses
> it's anti-corrosion abilities if deprived of oxygen.

Well...I guess I'm glad that my stainless sink isn't in an oxygen
deprived state. I have a sailboat with lots of stainless rigging...30
years old and it still looks as good today as the day I bought it. But
then it's got a lot of oxygen around.

On Feb 23, 10:20*am, Jeff The Drunk wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:39:30 -0800 (PST), mg
> >wrote:
>
>
>
> >As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> >steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> >Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.
> >http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> >With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> >rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> >the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> >the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> >sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> >some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> >the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> >live with it.
>
> >So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> >I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> Stainless looks nice but isn't really stainless. I had the same
> problem until I found a ceramic container to put our soap pump bottle
> in.

Well that makes me feel better knowing I'm not the only one who has
had the problem (although I'm not sure why). In my case I have an
extra hole in the sink for an under-the-sink soap bottle. So, I've now
installed one of those.

I also have had another problem, though. I'm a bachelor and I
sometimes fill a dirty glass with dish soap and water and set it on
the rim of the sink to soak awhile. Low and behold, I now have a stain
the shape of the bottom of a glass on the sink also. Oh well, I'm glad
I learned before I really made some bad stains.

On 2/23/2010 1:09 PM, Chemo the Clown wrote:
> On Feb 23, 9:32 am, wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:06:14 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> On Feb 23, 8:39 am, > wrote:
>>>> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
>>>> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
>>>> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>>
>>>> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
>>>> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
>>>> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
>>>> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
>>>> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
>>>> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
>>>> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
>>>> live with it.
>>
>>>> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
>>>> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>>
>>> There are several grades of stainless. Stainless can stain but not
>>> rust.
>>
>> You are correct that there are lots of variations that are
>> collectively called Stainless Steel. You are incorrect about it not
>> suffering from corrosion. Even the marine grades of stainless can and
>> do corrode, and sometimes quickly and severely. Stainless Steel loses
>> it's anti-corrosion abilities if deprived of oxygen.
>
> Well...I guess I'm glad that my stainless sink isn't in an oxygen
> deprived state. I have a sailboat with lots of stainless rigging...30
> years old and it still looks as good today as the day I bought it. But
> then it's got a lot of oxygen around.

You might be surprised--swaged fittings for example can corrode
internally. You don't see the corrosion until the fitting comes apart.

mg wrote the following:
> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.
> http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> live with it.
>
> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
>
http://housekeeping.about.com/od/ide...nstainless.htm

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

On Feb 23, 10:36*am, mike > wrote:
> On Feb 23, 8:39*am, mg > wrote:
>
> > As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> > steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> > Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> > With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> > rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> > the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> > the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> > sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> > some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> > the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> > live with it.
>
> > So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> > I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> Maybe it has a different surface finish than what you're used to.
> Brushed, maybe? *I love stainless steel, but you have to know how to
> clean it.
>
> Try different cleaning methods. *Start with a paste of baking soda and
> dishwashing liquid to scrub the whole sink with a brush. *It works
> wonderfully for me.
>
> If that doesn't work, move up to using some acid cleaning, like
> letting vinegar soak on it or by scrubbing it with Bar Keeper's Friend
> (oxalic acid cleanser).
>
> By the way stainless steel CAN rust slightly if it is a poor grade
> alloy with insufficient chromium. * I doubt that is the case here.

Wow! The baking soda/dishwashing liquid paste does work. I repeated
the process 3 times (not scrubbing very hard), first cleaning it then
rinsing and then drying and that eliminated about 80% of the stain
with no scratches or marks, etc., from the cleaning process. Then I
decided to try "Cerama Bryte" on the 4th go around. That's the stuff I
use for my new smooth-top stove. That totally eliminated the rest of
the stain.

Thanks Mike I really appreciate it. I'm trying not to turn into a
fussy, old widower, but I want to all the trouble of replacing the
water-damaged bottom of the cabinet and all of the trouble of
installing the sink with a new disposal, along with new shut off
valves, new supply lines and new drain pipe and then having the damn
thing stain right off the bat was kind of a downer.

I'm guessing you're probably right about the finish, but I never
really noticed the old sink. So, I'm not sure.

On Feb 23, 10:44*am, mike > wrote:
> On Feb 23, 8:39*am, mg > wrote:
>
> > As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> > steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> > Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> > With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> > rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> > the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> > the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> > sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> > some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> > the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> > live with it.
>
> > So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> > I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> After looking up "stainless steel magic", it looks like your cleaner
> is the problem. *It is based on petroleum distilates which are fine
> for breaking down grease, but are useless for dealing with calcium
> deposits, which is likely what you have from water gathering under the
> bottle and evaporating.
>
> You'll need an acid-based cleanser, as I mentioned in an earlier reply
> (vinegar, oxalic acid, etc.).

I'll remember the acid-based cleanser tip and I'm going to pick up
some Bar Keeper's Friend to try in the future also.

On Feb 23, 11:48*am, willshak > wrote:
> mg wrote the following:
>
> > As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> > steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> > Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.
> >http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> > With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> > rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> > the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> > the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> > sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> > some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> > the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> > live with it.
>
> > So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> > I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> http://housekeeping.about.com/od/ide...nstainless.htm

Yup, as Mike says, that's how you do it. What bothered me was that I
thought the stain was down in the metal, but it actually isn't. So,
it's just a matter of using the right cleaning stuff.

> --
>
> Bill
> In Hamptonburgh, NY
> In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
> To email, remove the double zeroes after @

On Feb 23, 10:34*am, wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:09:13 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Feb 23, 9:32*am, wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:06:14 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >On Feb 23, 8:39*am, mg > wrote:
> >> >> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> >> >> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> >> >> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> >> >> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> >> >> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> >> >> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> >> >> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> >> >> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> >> >> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> >> >> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> >> >> live with it.
>
> >> >> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> >> >> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> >> >There are several grades of stainless. Stainless can stain but not
> >> >rust.
>
> >> You are correct that there are lots of variations that are
> >> collectively called Stainless Steel. You are incorrect about it not
> >> suffering from corrosion. Even the marine grades of stainless can and
> >> do corrode, and sometimes quickly and severely. Stainless Steel loses
> >> it's anti-corrosion abilities if deprived of oxygen.
>
> >Well...I guess I'm glad that my stainless sink isn't in an oxygen
> >deprived state. I have a sailboat with lots of stainless rigging...30
> >years old and it still looks as good today as the day I bought it. But
> >then it's got a lot of oxygen around.
>
> Better check those stainless keel bolts! *And rigging failures usually
> happen inside swaged terminals. Easily missed even with a close visual
> inspection. 30 years is pretty old for rigging. Time for regular dye
> testing at least.
>
> And the OP was having problems from setting a soap container on the
> Stainless Steel. That could be creating an oxygen poor environment.

keel bolts are bronze as is all the turnbuckles. Standing rigging are
replace about every 5 years not from the stainless going bad but from
the wire stretching. Agree on the OP.

wrote in :

> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:06:14 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
> > wrote:
>
>>On Feb 23, 8:39*am, mg > wrote:
>>> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
>>> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
>>> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen
>>> Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...prod_num=3145-
>>> 4
>>>
>>> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on
>>> the rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no
>>> problems. With the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink
>>> in the shape of the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I
>>> installed the sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it
>>> and neither will some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel
>>> Magic". Looking on the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable.
>>> So, I suppose I can live with it.
>>>
>>> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so
>>> easily? I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>>
>>There are several grades of stainless. Stainless can stain but not
>>rust.
>
> You are correct that there are lots of variations that are
> collectively called Stainless Steel. You are incorrect about it not
> suffering from corrosion. Even the marine grades of stainless can and
> do corrode, and sometimes quickly and severely. Stainless Steel loses
> it's anti-corrosion abilities if deprived of oxygen.
>



Considering that corrosion itself is caused by oxygen, how does removing
the oxygen cause corrosion? Many anti-corrosion strategies involve
excluding oxygen from a corrodable metal surface.

Semi-stainless automobile exhausts, suffering (at least in the North
American north-east) probably the worst possible environment for corrosion,
remain remarkably corrosion-free for decades.

The OP is probably seeing deposits in the surface texture of the steel, not
corrosion. Since the deposits would be in the texture, surface abrasion
does not remove them; some sort of solvent is needed. I suggest acetone,
liberally-applied, and a terry-cloth towel and an old toothbrush.


--
Tegger

> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?

Cheap stainless steel made in India. I have had all sorts of
problem with Indian stainless steel.

-sw

On Feb 23, 11:31*am, wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:10:27 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Feb 23, 10:34*am, wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:09:13 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >On Feb 23, 9:32*am, wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:06:14 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >On Feb 23, 8:39*am, mg > wrote:
> >> >> >> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> >> >> >> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> >> >> >> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> >> >> >> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> >> >> >> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems.. With
> >> >> >> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> >> >> >> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> >> >> >> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> >> >> >> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> >> >> >> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> >> >> >> live with it.
>
> >> >> >> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> >> >> >> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> >> >> >There are several grades of stainless. Stainless can stain but not
> >> >> >rust.
>
> >> >> You are correct that there are lots of variations that are
> >> >> collectively called Stainless Steel. You are incorrect about it not
> >> >> suffering from corrosion. Even the marine grades of stainless can and
> >> >> do corrode, and sometimes quickly and severely. Stainless Steel loses
> >> >> it's anti-corrosion abilities if deprived of oxygen.
>
> >> >Well...I guess I'm glad that my stainless sink isn't in an oxygen
> >> >deprived state. I have a sailboat with lots of stainless rigging...30
> >> >years old and it still looks as good today as the day I bought it. But
> >> >then it's got a lot of oxygen around.
>
> >> Better check those stainless keel bolts! *And rigging failures usually
> >> happen inside swaged terminals. Easily missed even with a close visual
> >> inspection. 30 years is pretty old for rigging. Time for regular dye
> >> testing at least.
>
> >> And the OP was having problems from setting a soap container on the
> >> Stainless Steel. That could be creating an oxygen poor environment.
>
> >keel bolts are bronze as is all the turnbuckles. Standing rigging are
> >replace about every 5 years not from the stainless going bad but from
> >the wire stretching. Agree on the OP.
>
> Suddenly you don't seem quite so credible. Sorry.

Actually I don't know hardly anything about sailboats...just yanking
your chain...or you anchor. hahahahaha!!!

On Feb 23, 11:49*am, Sqwertz > wrote:
> > So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> > I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> Cheap stainless steel made in India. *I have had all sorts of
> problem with Indian stainless steel.
>
> -sw

I'm pretty sure cowboy stainless is a good choice. Giddyup!!

On Feb 23, 10:39*am, mg > wrote:
> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> live with it.
>
> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?

There could be some ingredient in the soap that is making the stain -
switch to something else, compare labels, and see what happens.

I never ever wanted a stainless sink - no matter how spotless and
sterile they are, to me they always look dirty .... I love me my
porcelain. ;-)

N.

Tegger wrote:
> wrote in :
>
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:06:14 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 23, 8:39 am, mg > wrote:
>>>> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
>>>> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
>>>> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen
>>>> Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...prod_num=3145-
>>>> 4
>>>>
>>>> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on
>>>> the rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no
>>>> problems. With the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink
>>>> in the shape of the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I
>>>> installed the sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it
>>>> and neither will some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel
>>>> Magic". Looking on the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable.
>>>> So, I suppose I can live with it.
>>>>
>>>> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so
>>>> easily? I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>>> There are several grades of stainless. Stainless can stain but not
>>> rust.
>> You are correct that there are lots of variations that are
>> collectively called Stainless Steel. You are incorrect about it not
>> suffering from corrosion. Even the marine grades of stainless can and
>> do corrode, and sometimes quickly and severely. Stainless Steel loses
>> it's anti-corrosion abilities if deprived of oxygen.
>>
>
>
>
> Considering that corrosion itself is caused by oxygen, how does removing
> the oxygen cause corrosion? Many anti-corrosion strategies involve
> excluding oxygen from a corrodable metal surface.
>
> Semi-stainless automobile exhausts, suffering (at least in the North
> American north-east) probably the worst possible environment for corrosion,
> remain remarkably corrosion-free for decades.
>
> The OP is probably seeing deposits in the surface texture of the steel, not
> corrosion. Since the deposits would be in the texture, surface abrasion
> does not remove them; some sort of solvent is needed. I suggest acetone,
> liberally-applied, and a terry-cloth towel and an old toothbrush.
>
>
I would agree with that assessment. I have a several year old stainless
sink in the kitchen and we have tap water with a high calcium content.
Lots of calcium overlaying every water exposed surface in the kitchen
and baths. I use LemiShine, a citric acid formula to cut the stuff. Fill
sink with water with about a half cup of the LemiShine in it and let it
sit for awhile. Also use that solution in the coffee maker and in the
dishwasher, about 1/4 cup in there. Cuts all the calcium deposits with
regular use. I just ordered a five-gallon bucket of the stuff online. I
don't own stock in the company but wish I did.

Joe wrote:
> "mg" > wrote in message
> ...
>> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
>> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
>> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.
>> http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>>
>> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
>> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
>> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
>> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
>> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
>> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
>> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
>> live with it.
>>
>> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
>> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>>
>
> As another poster said, stainless can stain, but shouldn't rust.
>
> *However*, I would be calling Kohler and tell them your "stainless" steel
> sink is staining. They are a reputable company that values their name and
> may not want to split hairs over the word "stainless". They may offer you
> something (replacement, etc...)
>
> The worst they can say is "no".
>
>
I have read...somewhere...that you shouldn't leave the deterg. bottle on
a stainless sink. Owner's manual? Can't recall. As for rust,
stainless will rust, especially in salt air. It will also get rust
stains from bits of steel wool left on the rim.

On Feb 23, 11:56*am, wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:53:18 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Feb 23, 11:31*am, wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:10:27 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >On Feb 23, 10:34*am, wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:09:13 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >On Feb 23, 9:32*am, wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:06:14 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Feb 23, 8:39*am, mg > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> >> >> >> >> steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> >> >> >> >> Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> >> >> >> >> With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> >> >> >> >> rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> >> >> >> >> the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> >> >> >> >> the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> >> >> >> >> sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> >> >> >> >> some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> >> >> >> >> the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> >> >> >> >> live with it.
>
> >> >> >> >> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> >> >> >> >> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> >> >> >> >There are several grades of stainless. Stainless can stain but not
> >> >> >> >rust.
>
> >> >> >> You are correct that there are lots of variations that are
> >> >> >> collectively called Stainless Steel. You are incorrect about it not
> >> >> >> suffering from corrosion. Even the marine grades of stainless can and
> >> >> >> do corrode, and sometimes quickly and severely. Stainless Steel loses
> >> >> >> it's anti-corrosion abilities if deprived of oxygen.
>
> >> >> >Well...I guess I'm glad that my stainless sink isn't in an oxygen
> >> >> >deprived state. I have a sailboat with lots of stainless rigging....30
> >> >> >years old and it still looks as good today as the day I bought it. But
> >> >> >then it's got a lot of oxygen around.
>
> >> >> Better check those stainless keel bolts! *And rigging failures usually
> >> >> happen inside swaged terminals. Easily missed even with a close visual
> >> >> inspection. 30 years is pretty old for rigging. Time for regular dye
> >> >> testing at least.
>
> >> >> And the OP was having problems from setting a soap container on the
> >> >> Stainless Steel. That could be creating an oxygen poor environment.
>
> >> >keel bolts are bronze as is all the turnbuckles. Standing rigging are
> >> >replace about every 5 years not from the stainless going bad but from
> >> >the wire stretching. Agree on the OP.
>
> >> Suddenly you don't seem quite so credible. Sorry.
>
> >Actually I don't know hardly anything about sailboats...just yanking
> >your chain...or you anchor. hahahahaha!!!
>
> It was pretty obvious.

Hell...life is just too damn short to be serious about anything.

On Feb 23, 11:56*am, Nancy2 > wrote:

> I never ever wanted a stainless sink - no matter how spotless and
> sterile they are, to me they always look dirty .... I love me my
> porcelain. *;-)
>
> N.

I never wanted a porcelain sink. They always show dirt, filth, and
look scuzzy after a short period. And they chip so easily. Once
chipped, they really look like pure crap.

But to each his or her own.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:39:30 -0800 (PST), mg >
wrote:

> So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?

Whatever you do, don't let a cast iron pan sit there too long.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Nancy2 wrote:

>
> I never ever wanted a stainless sink - no matter how spotless and
> sterile they are, to me they always look dirty .... I love me my
> porcelain. ;-)
>
>


Given the choice, I've never had anything but stainless.
Porcelain always says fruit/coffee/tea stains needing to
be cleaned, and chipped spots.

gloria p

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:39:30 -0800 (PST), mg > wrote:

>As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
>steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
>Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.
>http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
>With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
>rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
>the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
>the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
>sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
>some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
>the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
>live with it.
>
>So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
>I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?

How come my made in china stainless steel saucepans are rusting? Was it made in china?

On Feb 23, 12:56*pm, Nancy2 > wrote:
> On Feb 23, 10:39*am, mg > wrote:
>
> > As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
> > steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
> > Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>
> > With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
> > rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
> > the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
> > the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
> > sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
> > some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
> > the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
> > live with it.
>
> > So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
> > I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> There could be some ingredient in the soap that is making the stain -
> switch to something else, compare labels, and see what happens.
>
> I never ever wanted a stainless sink - no matter how spotless and
> sterile they are, to me they always look dirty .... I love me my
> porcelain. *;-)
>
> N.

I'm actually not that crazy about them either, but my stove turned out
to be a GE that is black with stainless steel. So, then I got a GE
over the stove microwave to match and a refrigerator to that's also
stainless with a black water dispenser. After that a stainless steel
sink seemed like the only alternative.

Life can be tough for a bachelor who is trying to redecorate and
doesn't know what in the hell he's doing. That sounds funny, but it's
true. And that's not the worst of it, by the way, there's also the
countertop and back splash and flooring to decide on. I was going to
go with travertine for the floors, but then I found out what a
nightmare that was to keep clean and prevent staining. So, now I
dunno . . . probably some kind of ceramic tile that sort of looks like
rock, I guess.

" > wrote in
:

> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:39:30 -0800 (PST), mg >
> wrote:
>
>>As part of a remodeling project, I installed a brand new stainless
>>steel sink a few weeks ago. The model number is Kohler K-3145,
>>Cadence, Self-Rimming Kitchen Sink.
>>http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatal...rod_num=3145-4
>>
>>With my old sink, we used to keep a bottle of liquid hand soap on the
>>rim of the sink. We did that for about 30 years with no problems. With
>>the new sink I happened to notice a stain on the sink in the shape of
>>the bottom of the bottle about a week or two after I installed the
>>sink. Hard scrubbing with dish soap won't remove it and neither will
>>some other stuff I bought called "Stainless Steel Magic". Looking on
>>the plus side, though, it is hardly noticeable. So, I suppose I can
>>live with it.
>>
>>So, what's the deal with this stainless steel sink staining so easily?
>>I wonder what else I have to worry about with this new sink?
>
> How come my made in china stainless steel saucepans are rusting? Was
> it made in china?

Because cheap "stainless steel" can rust. More specifically, it's
probably not stainless, or they didn't put enough chromium in the steel
to stop it from rusting. Guess what kind of quality steel you got from
your made in china saucepans? And is it "stainless" or "stainless steel"?
I have a nice aluminum spatula that was marked as stainless steel on the
label, but on the spatula itself it simply says "stainless". Surprise
surprise, it's not steel at all, but an aluminum alloy.

wrote in news

>>
>
> Stainless loses it's anti-corrosion properties in absense of oxygen. I
> didn't make the rules! To fight corrosion, the stainless must create
> and maintain a layer of oxide on it's surface. It needs oxygen to do
> that.



You seem to be alluding to something called "anaerobic corrosion",
which appears to primarily be caused by certain species of bacteria.
<http://corrosion-doctors.org/Corrosion-Factors-Cells/corrosion-cells-microbial.htm>

Considering that the OP's sink spent considerable time building its
corrosion layer before the OP installed it, and since the OP's
liquid soap contains oxygen in the form of water, and since the
soap bottle is located next to a water faucet, I find it kind of hard
to imagine how oxygen would /not/ be permanently present. It's
not like the soap bottle was hermetically sealed to the
surface of the sink.


--
Tegger

George Shirley > wrote in
:

> Tegger wrote:

>>
>> The OP is probably seeing deposits in the surface texture of the
>> steel, not corrosion. Since the deposits would be in the texture,
>> surface abrasion does not remove them; some sort of solvent is
>> needed. I suggest acetone, liberally-applied, and a terry-cloth towel
>> and an old toothbrush.
>>
>>
> I would agree with that assessment. I have a several year old
> stainless sink in the kitchen and we have tap water with a high
> calcium content. Lots of calcium overlaying every water exposed
> surface in the kitchen and baths. I use LemiShine, a citric acid
> formula to cut the stuff. Fill sink with water with about a half cup
> of the LemiShine in it and let it sit for awhile. Also use that
> solution in the coffee maker and in the dishwasher, about 1/4 cup in
> there. Cuts all the calcium deposits with regular use. I just ordered
> a five-gallon bucket of the stuff online. I don't own stock in the
> company but wish I did.



I hadn't thought of mineral deposits. Perhaps the OP's new sink has a
surface texture that's more receptive to mineral deposits than his old
sink.

I wonder if something like CLR might also work? CLR does a bang-up job of
dissolving mineral deposits in our shower head.

--
Tegger

mg wrote:
>
> Life can be tough for a bachelor who is trying to redecorate and
> doesn't know what in the hell he's doing. That sounds funny, but it's
> true. And that's not the worst of it, by the way, there's also the
> countertop and back splash and flooring to decide on.

Second that. I'm just about finished with my remodel, so I invited a lady
over to show off.

Her comment: "Man Cave!"

"How do you figure," I asked. "I mean the place could use some doilies and
knick-knacks, I admit, but..."

"The buffalo head over the fireplace is a dead give-away."

Chemo the Clown wrote:
>>
>> Geeze! I'm sure you're right. Normally, I do a lot of price
>> comparison shopping on the internet and I buy a lot of stuff on
>> eBay. I just happened to be in a hurry at the time.
>
> I buy local. Period. If not in my town then at least in my state.

Usually not the best primary reason. Those who do so sometimes deprive
themselves of superior products at a lower prices with self-defeating
results.

Adam Smith offered the following example: Italy makes great cheese and
mediocre wine. France makes great wine and indifferent cheese. Suppose the
Italians resolve to drink only local wine and the French decide to eat only
Frog cheese. Each country ends up with dissatisfied consumers, economic
stasis, and no wealth being created.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:58:58 -0600, "HeyBub" >
wrote:

>mg wrote:
>>
>> Life can be tough for a bachelor who is trying to redecorate and
>> doesn't know what in the hell he's doing. That sounds funny, but it's
>> true. And that's not the worst of it, by the way, there's also the
>> countertop and back splash and flooring to decide on.
>
>Second that. I'm just about finished with my remodel, so I invited a lady
>over to show off.
>
>Her comment: "Man Cave!"
>
>"How do you figure," I asked. "I mean the place could use some doilies and
>knick-knacks, I admit, but..."
>
>"The buffalo head over the fireplace is a dead give-away."
>

Maybe it was your cologne. She was not partial to Gun Oil scents?

A little dab behind the ears should attract the right lady.

"HeyBub" > wrote in
m:

> Chemo the Clown wrote:
>>>
>>> Geeze! I'm sure you're right. Normally, I do a lot of price
>>> comparison shopping on the internet and I buy a lot of stuff on
>>> eBay. I just happened to be in a hurry at the time.
>>
>> I buy local. Period. If not in my town then at least in my state.
>
> Usually not the best primary reason. Those who do so sometimes deprive
> themselves of superior products at a lower prices with self-defeating
> results.
>
> Adam Smith offered the following example: Italy makes great cheese and
> mediocre wine. France makes great wine and indifferent cheese.
> Suppose the Italians resolve to drink only local wine and the French
> decide to eat only Frog cheese. Each country ends up with dissatisfied
> consumers, economic stasis, and no wealth being created.
>
>



I think everone should buy as local as possible: Everything you use and
consume should originate on your own personal real estate, much like in the
year 1000.

Myself, I make great computer parts from garden waste, and very durable
shoes from our dog that died. You wanna buy those things? Sorry, I only
/sell/ local as well, so the wife and kids are my only market; they're not
allowed off-property in case they buy something from the neighbors.


--
Tegger

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:06:02 -0800, Oren > wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:58:58 -0600, "HeyBub" >
>wrote:
>
>>mg wrote:
>>>
>>> Life can be tough for a bachelor who is trying to redecorate and
>>> doesn't know what in the hell he's doing. That sounds funny, but it's
>>> true. And that's not the worst of it, by the way, there's also the
>>> countertop and back splash and flooring to decide on.
>>
>>Second that. I'm just about finished with my remodel, so I invited a lady
>>over to show off.
>>
>>Her comment: "Man Cave!"
>>
>>"How do you figure," I asked. "I mean the place could use some doilies and
>>knick-knacks, I admit, but..."
>>
>>"The buffalo head over the fireplace is a dead give-away."
>>
>
>Maybe it was your cologne. She was not partial to Gun Oil scents?

>A little dab behind the ears should attract the right lady.

The kid gave his wife a Glock for their first anniversary, last year.
It worked for him, so I may try Au de Walther on SWMBO this year.

On Feb 23, 3:06*pm, "HeyBub" > wrote:
> Chemo the Clown wrote:
>
> >> Geeze! I'm sure you're right. Normally, I do a lot of price
> >> comparison shopping on the internet and I buy a lot of stuff on
> >> eBay. I just happened to be in a hurry at the time.
>
> > I buy local. Period. If not in my town then at least in my state.
>
> Usually not the best primary reason. Those who do so sometimes deprive
> themselves of superior products at a lower prices with self-defeating
> results.
>
> Adam Smith offered the following example: Italy makes great cheese and
> mediocre wine. France makes great wine and indifferent cheese. *Suppose the
> Italians resolve to drink only local wine and the French decide to eat only
> Frog cheese. Each country ends up with dissatisfied consumers, economic
> stasis, and no wealth being created.

Well...fortunately I live in a great area that has just about
everything I need....and want. Yes, I can get good wines, great cheese
and other great products. I just like the idea of supporting my home
town and not giving my dollars to someplace else. Of course, if you
look long enough you will always find someone, someplace selling
something cheaper than the next guy but I really don't care.

On 2/23/2010 7:06 PM, Oren wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:58:58 -0600, >
> wrote:
>
>> mg wrote:
>>>
>>> Life can be tough for a bachelor who is trying to redecorate and
>>> doesn't know what in the hell he's doing. That sounds funny, but it's
>>> true. And that's not the worst of it, by the way, there's also the
>>> countertop and back splash and flooring to decide on.
>>
>> Second that. I'm just about finished with my remodel, so I invited a lady
>> over to show off.
>>
>> Her comment: "Man Cave!"
>>
>> "How do you figure," I asked. "I mean the place could use some doilies and
>> knick-knacks, I admit, but..."
>>
>> "The buffalo head over the fireplace is a dead give-away."
>>
>
> Maybe it was your cologne. She was not partial to Gun Oil scents?
>
> A little dab behind the ears should attract the right lady.

There's a waitress at the local Friendlys with a powder burn on her
right cheek--she's sensitive about it, she just doesn't grasp how much
of a turn on that is for the right guy.

On Feb 23, 5:19*pm, krw > wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:06:02 -0800, Oren > wrote:
> >On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:58:58 -0600, "HeyBub" >
> >wrote:
>
> >>mg wrote:
>
> >>> Life can be tough for a bachelor who is trying to redecorate and
> >>> doesn't know what in the hell he's doing. That sounds funny, but it's
> >>> true. And that's not the worst of it, by the way, there's also the
> >>> countertop and back splash and flooring to decide on.
>
> >>Second that. I'm just about finished with my remodel, so I invited a lady
> >>over to show off.
>
> >>Her comment: "Man Cave!"
>
> >>"How do you figure," I asked. "I mean the place could use some doilies and
> >>knick-knacks, I admit, but..."
>
> >>"The buffalo head over the fireplace is a dead give-away."
>
> >Maybe it was your cologne. She was not partial to Gun Oil scents?
> >A little dab behind the ears should attract the right lady.
>
> The kid gave his wife a Glock for their first anniversary, last year.
> It worked for him, so I may try Au de Walther on SWMBO this year.

The Glock worked???????

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:29:15 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
> wrote:

>On Feb 23, 5:19*pm, krw > wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:06:02 -0800, Oren > wrote:
>> >On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:58:58 -0600, "HeyBub" >
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >>mg wrote:
>>
>> >>> Life can be tough for a bachelor who is trying to redecorate and
>> >>> doesn't know what in the hell he's doing. That sounds funny, but it's
>> >>> true. And that's not the worst of it, by the way, there's also the
>> >>> countertop and back splash and flooring to decide on.
>>
>> >>Second that. I'm just about finished with my remodel, so I invited a lady
>> >>over to show off.
>>
>> >>Her comment: "Man Cave!"
>>
>> >>"How do you figure," I asked. "I mean the place could use some doilies and
>> >>knick-knacks, I admit, but..."
>>
>> >>"The buffalo head over the fireplace is a dead give-away."
>>
>> >Maybe it was your cologne. She was not partial to Gun Oil scents?
>> >A little dab behind the ears should attract the right lady.
>>
>> The kid gave his wife a Glock for their first anniversary, last year.
>> It worked for him, so I may try Au de Walther on SWMBO this year.
>
>The Glock worked???????

Quite well, wanna try anything?

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:27:18 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> wrote:

>On 2/23/2010 7:06 PM, Oren wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:58:58 -0600, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> mg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Life can be tough for a bachelor who is trying to redecorate and
>>>> doesn't know what in the hell he's doing. That sounds funny, but it's
>>>> true. And that's not the worst of it, by the way, there's also the
>>>> countertop and back splash and flooring to decide on.
>>>
>>> Second that. I'm just about finished with my remodel, so I invited a lady
>>> over to show off.
>>>
>>> Her comment: "Man Cave!"
>>>
>>> "How do you figure," I asked. "I mean the place could use some doilies and
>>> knick-knacks, I admit, but..."
>>>
>>> "The buffalo head over the fireplace is a dead give-away."
>>>
>>
>> Maybe it was your cologne. She was not partial to Gun Oil scents?
>>
>> A little dab behind the ears should attract the right lady.
>
>There's a waitress at the local Friendlys with a powder burn on her
>right cheek--she's sensitive about it, she just doesn't grasp how much
>of a turn on that is for the right guy.

Now you gonna tell me she is blonde, right?

Be careful mixing various scents of gun oil. You could find yourself
surrounded by vast qualities of attractive women.

I'm working on a blonde female attractant.