On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:15:25 -0800, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> blake wrote:
>
>>> I've never been one to suffer fools gladly.
>>
>> the slogan of pompous assholes everywhere.
>
> Well, if you want to call St. Paul a pompous asshole, I guess you're
> entitled to that opinion.
>
> Bob

i don't know about 'pompous asshole,' but brother paul was certainly a nut.
'better to marry than to burn'?

he's responsible for many of the outright perversions involved in
latter-day christian faith.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:33:21 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:32:56 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> >,
>>> Dan Abel > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what that word means. What many of us have realized is
>>>> that Sheldon thinks that this group is just a big joke. This is his
>>>> sense of humor. Some people enjoy it, others don't. Someone who he
>>>> used to bombard with Emails (and he has stated quite clearly that he has
>>>> only Emailed a handful of people on this group, and then only a couple
>>>> of times) explained it once. He posts the most outrageous things, and
>>>> then waits to see what reaction he gets. Sometimes people believe him.
>>>> Sometimes they get really irate. Either way he is happy. He's probably
>>>> chuckling away to his cats right now about how he's got you going again.
>>>
>>> So you are saying he likes to yank chains? <g> Who'd a thunk it?
>>>
>>> Personally, I like Sheldon and find him entertaining to read. I think
>>> that overall, like Swertz, he's really a good person at heart but uses
>>> usenet as much for entertainment as anything else. And both of them
>>> really are good cooks...
>>
>> no. a 'good person at heart' does not go out of his way to insult people
>> just to get a rise out of them. whether the insults are what he 'really
>> feels' or not is immaterial. i suspect the insults are completely sincere.
>>
>> what he is at heart is a fourth-grader with social adjustment issues, and a
>> not-very-bright fourth-grader at that.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> <shrugs> ok. It's just that I've personally met some people who behaved
> like that only on usenet for the entertainment value, and were actually
> really nice people in "real life". It seems to be a usenet thing. I
> personally try to be myself here for the most part. ;-)

and i dispute that people are assholes on usenet are 'nice people' in real
life. it seems they are suppressing their assholishness in real life
because there might be consequences there. on usenet they can be what they
want to be, and choose to be assholes.

'nice' people (or civilized people, if you prefer) are nice all they way
through - they don't put in on or take it off like a suit of clothes
dependding on hat they can get away with.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:41:14 -0500, brooklyn1 wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:32:56 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> >,
>>> Dan Abel > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what that word means. What many of us have realized is
>>>> that Sheldon thinks that this group is just a big joke. This is his
>>>> sense of humor. Some people enjoy it, others don't. Someone who he
>>>> used to bombard with Emails (and he has stated quite clearly that he has
>>>> only Emailed a handful of people on this group, and then only a couple
>>>> of times) explained it once. He posts the most outrageous things, and
>>>> then waits to see what reaction he gets. Sometimes people believe him.
>>>> Sometimes they get really irate. Either way he is happy. He's probably
>>>> chuckling away to his cats right now about how he's got you going again.
>>>
>>> So you are saying he likes to yank chains? <g> Who'd a thunk it?
>>>
>>> Personally, I like Sheldon and find him entertaining to read. I think
>>> that overall, like Swertz, he's really a good person at heart but uses
>>> usenet as much for entertainment as anything else. And both of them
>>> really are good cooks...
>>
>>no. a 'good person at heart' does not go out of his way to insult people
>>just to get a rise out of them.
>
> What irony... that makes you the most sardonic creep here... and don't
> take that literally, you don't have knees! LOL The mick is also in
> the bottom 10 percentile of the usenet ignoranus pool... someone whose
> only purpose for being here is bashing out his bitterness on people is
> dumber than shit for advertising that he has no legs... did we really
> need to visualize your freak showedness on a cooking group... NOT! You
> deserve every KICK in your vulvacanized pie hole you get.

there's a gut that's really nice at heart, om.

blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> > <shrugs> ok. It's just that I've personally met some people who behaved
> > like that only on usenet for the entertainment value, and were actually
> > really nice people in "real life". It seems to be a usenet thing. I
> > personally try to be myself here for the most part. ;-)
>
> and i dispute that people are assholes on usenet are 'nice people' in real
> life. it seems they are suppressing their assholishness in real life
> because there might be consequences there. on usenet they can be what they
> want to be, and choose to be assholes.
>
> 'nice' people (or civilized people, if you prefer) are nice all they way
> through - they don't put in on or take it off like a suit of clothes
> dependding on hat they can get away with.
>
> your pal,
> blake

That's actually an excellent point... but I used to play Dungeons and
Dragons back in College. Some people simply need an outlet.

And I forgive them for it, even when they take out my high level Magic
User/Cleric. <g>
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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> >>no. a 'good person at heart' does not go out of his way to insult people
> >>just to get a rise out of them.
> >
> > What irony... that makes you the most sardonic creep here... and don't
> > take that literally, you don't have knees! LOL The mick is also in
> > the bottom 10 percentile of the usenet ignoranus pool... someone whose
> > only purpose for being here is bashing out his bitterness on people is
> > dumber than shit for advertising that he has no legs... did we really
> > need to visualize your freak showedness on a cooking group... NOT! You
> > deserve every KICK in your vulvacanized pie hole you get.
>
> there's a gut that's really nice at heart, om.
>
> blake

'Scuse me Blake babe, but I did NOT write that!!!
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sf wrote:

>> Simple fact for a simpleton: ANNATTO IS NOT SYNTHETIC. You made a
>> decision based on ignorance in those long-bygone days, and now you're
>> attempting to defend that decision with more ignorance. It's all well and
>> good to care for your children, but you have to educate yourself so that
>> you can make GOOD decisions about their care.
>
> Oh? So, you're now trying to tell me that synthetic dyes were *not*
> used back in the '70s? How lame is that? Do you think they use
> annatto now just out of the goodness of their wholesome hearts? Yeah,
> right and that's why McDonald's stopped using beef fat too.

Annatto has been used as the dye in cheddar for at least a hundred years.
You never even checked, did you?

Bob

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> >> Simple fact for a simpleton: ANNATTO IS NOT SYNTHETIC. You made a
> >> decision based on ignorance in those long-bygone days, and now you're
> >> attempting to defend that decision with more ignorance. It's all well and
> >> good to care for your children, but you have to educate yourself so that
> >> you can make GOOD decisions about their care.
> >
> > Oh? So, you're now trying to tell me that synthetic dyes were *not*
> > used back in the '70s? How lame is that? Do you think they use
> > annatto now just out of the goodness of their wholesome hearts? Yeah,
> > right and that's why McDonald's stopped using beef fat too.
>
> Annatto has been used as the dye in cheddar for at least a hundred years.
> You never even checked, did you?
>
> Bob

Cite please???
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Om wrote:

>> Annatto has been used as the dye in cheddar for at least a hundred years.
>> You never even checked, did you?
>
> Cite please???

Here's one: http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq11300.html

Bob

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> Om wrote:
>
> >> Annatto has been used as the dye in cheddar for at least a hundred years.
> >> You never even checked, did you?
> >
> > Cite please???
>
> Here's one: http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq11300.html
>
> Bob

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On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:22:00 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> >> Simple fact for a simpleton: ANNATTO IS NOT SYNTHETIC. You made a
> >> decision based on ignorance in those long-bygone days, and now you're
> >> attempting to defend that decision with more ignorance. It's all well and
> >> good to care for your children, but you have to educate yourself so that
> >> you can make GOOD decisions about their care.
> >
> > Oh? So, you're now trying to tell me that synthetic dyes were *not*
> > used back in the '70s? How lame is that? Do you think they use
> > annatto now just out of the goodness of their wholesome hearts? Yeah,
> > right and that's why McDonald's stopped using beef fat too.
>
> Annatto has been used as the dye in cheddar for at least a hundred years.
> You never even checked, did you?
>
The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:00:50 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

> Andy is obviously Bi-polar. He's fine when he takes his meds...

I wouldn't say "obviously". I don't know anyone bipolar (if I know
one at all) well enough to base a conclusion like that on.

--
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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:59:45 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
> > >>no. a 'good person at heart' does not go out of his way to insult people
> > >>just to get a rise out of them.
> > >
> > > What irony... that makes you the most sardonic creep here... and don't
> > > take that literally, you don't have knees! LOL The mick is also in
> > > the bottom 10 percentile of the usenet ignoranus pool... someone whose
> > > only purpose for being here is bashing out his bitterness on people is
> > > dumber than shit for advertising that he has no legs... did we really
> > > need to visualize your freak showedness on a cooking group... NOT! You
> > > deserve every KICK in your vulvacanized pie hole you get.
> >
> > there's a gut that's really nice at heart, om.
> >
> > blake
>
> 'Scuse me Blake babe, but I did NOT write that!!!

Admittedly the attribution was borked, but I read it as calling your
attention to the post.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:00:50 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > Andy is obviously Bi-polar. He's fine when he takes his meds...
>
> I wouldn't say "obviously". I don't know anyone bipolar (if I know
> one at all) well enough to base a conclusion like that on.

Unfortunately, I've known a couple of them. And they acted just like
Andy does when their meds wore off.
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:59:45 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>>>>no. a 'good person at heart' does not go out of his way to insult people
>>>>just to get a rise out of them.
>>>
>>> What irony... that makes you the most sardonic creep here... and don't
>>> take that literally, you don't have knees! LOL The mick is also in
>>> the bottom 10 percentile of the usenet ignoranus pool... someone whose
>>> only purpose for being here is bashing out his bitterness on people is
>>> dumber than shit for advertising that he has no legs... did we really
>>> need to visualize your freak showedness on a cooking group... NOT! You
>>> deserve every KICK in your vulvacanized pie hole you get.
>>
>> there's a gut that's really nice at heart, om.
>>
>> blake
>
> 'Scuse me Blake babe, but I did NOT write that!!!

of course not. i was referring to your statement that you thought sheldon
(who did write it) was a nice guy (not gut) at heart.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:58:47 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>>> <shrugs> ok. It's just that I've personally met some people who behaved
>>> like that only on usenet for the entertainment value, and were actually
>>> really nice people in "real life". It seems to be a usenet thing. I
>>> personally try to be myself here for the most part. ;-)
>>
>> and i dispute that people are assholes on usenet are 'nice people' in real
>> life. it seems they are suppressing their assholishness in real life
>> because there might be consequences there. on usenet they can be what they
>> want to be, and choose to be assholes.
>>
>> 'nice' people (or civilized people, if you prefer) are nice all they way
>> through - they don't put in on or take it off like a suit of clothes
>> dependding on hat they can get away with.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> That's actually an excellent point... but I used to play Dungeons and
> Dragons back in College. Some people simply need an outlet.
>
> And I forgive them for it, even when they take out my high level Magic
> User/Cleric. <g>

i think there's a difference between usenet and a role-playing game. or
should be, anyway.

your pal,
blake

sf > wrote:

>The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.

Sure, I think the only objection is to calling annatto
"artificial". In foodspeak, that term is usually reserved for
ingredients that do not occur in nature.

Whether or not annatto meets someone's subjective definition
of natural, I could care less.

Steve

"sf" > wrote in message ...
| On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:22:00 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
| > wrote:
|
| >
| > Annatto has been used as the dye in cheddar for at least a hundred years.
| > You never even checked, did you?
| >
| The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.

Even the meticulous Bob Mackey and his Whole Foods Purist Brigade
accepts the natural coloring agents as natural foods:
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/prod...em.php?RID=486

"Annie's Shells & Real-Aged Wisconsin Cheddar is the answer to all
those chemically orange colored cheeses out there. Annie's has taken
their original Shells & White Cheddar and added a little color to it,
naturally! Their totally natural cheese is colored with a plant extract
called annatto. Annie's Shells & Real-Aged Wisconsin Cheddar is a
great alternative for kids who need to have that "orange" cheese
on their macaroni."

pavane

sf wrote:
>
>The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.

Fact is most cheeses are dyed with some quantity of annetto as is most
all butter/margerine. Most all processed foods (all cheese is
processed) contain some natural food colorants, whether it be beet,
annetto, tomato, spinach, caramel, dried egg yolk, etc.

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> sf > wrote:
>
> >The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.
>
> Sure, I think the only objection is to calling annatto
> "artificial". In foodspeak, that term is usually reserved for
> ingredients that do not occur in nature.
>
> Whether or not annatto meets someone's subjective definition
> of natural, I could care less.
>
> Steve

Kind of makes me think of those jammers who sneer at the idea of adding
commercially-made pectin to their sauces, er-r-r-r, *jams.* Pectin's
in most fruit, to a much higher degree in some than in others. Right
under the peel.
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Bean soup with sausage and kale, 3-1-2010

Melba's wrote on Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:33:24 -0600:

>> sf > wrote:
>>
> >> The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto
> >> colored.
>>
>> Sure, I think the only objection is to calling annatto
>> "artificial". In foodspeak, that term is usually reserved
>> for ingredients that do not occur in nature.
>>
>> Whether or not annatto meets someone's subjective definition
>> of natural, I could care less.
>>
>> Steve

> Kind of makes me think of those jammers who sneer at the idea
> of adding commercially-made pectin to their sauces, er-r-r-r,
> *jams.* Pectin's in most fruit, to a much higher degree in
> some than in others. Right under the peel.

Pectin from apples is cheap and allows the making of jams with lesser
amounts of the named fruit. The result is rather similar to the
uninteresting but expensive current Keiller's marmalade. I am hard put
to find bits of orange peel in it.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:59:45 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > blake murphy > wrote:
> >
> >>>>no. a 'good person at heart' does not go out of his way to insult people
> >>>>just to get a rise out of them.
> >>>
> >>> What irony... that makes you the most sardonic creep here... and don't
> >>> take that literally, you don't have knees! LOL The mick is also in
> >>> the bottom 10 percentile of the usenet ignoranus pool... someone whose
> >>> only purpose for being here is bashing out his bitterness on people is
> >>> dumber than shit for advertising that he has no legs... did we really
> >>> need to visualize your freak showedness on a cooking group... NOT! You
> >>> deserve every KICK in your vulvacanized pie hole you get.
> >>
> >> there's a gut that's really nice at heart, om.
> >>
> >> blake
> >
> > 'Scuse me Blake babe, but I did NOT write that!!!
>
> of course not. i was referring to your statement that you thought sheldon
> (who did write it) was a nice guy (not gut) at heart.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Ok, it's all good then. The attributions looked tangled. ;-)
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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:58:47 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > blake murphy > wrote:
> >
> >>> <shrugs> ok. It's just that I've personally met some people who behaved
> >>> like that only on usenet for the entertainment value, and were actually
> >>> really nice people in "real life". It seems to be a usenet thing. I
> >>> personally try to be myself here for the most part. ;-)
> >>
> >> and i dispute that people are assholes on usenet are 'nice people' in real
> >> life. it seems they are suppressing their assholishness in real life
> >> because there might be consequences there. on usenet they can be what they
> >> want to be, and choose to be assholes.
> >>
> >> 'nice' people (or civilized people, if you prefer) are nice all they way
> >> through - they don't put in on or take it off like a suit of clothes
> >> dependding on hat they can get away with.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> > That's actually an excellent point... but I used to play Dungeons and
> > Dragons back in College. Some people simply need an outlet.
> >
> > And I forgive them for it, even when they take out my high level Magic
> > User/Cleric. <g>
>
> i think there's a difference between usenet and a role-playing game. or
> should be, anyway.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Oh? Really? Could'a fooled me in some people's cases. <g>
I agree tho' that there should be, but I seem to see it all the time.
Believe me, it's far worse on the political lists which is why I don't
hang there any more. I always felt like I had to take a bath when I was
done reading posts! No matter how many killfiles I set up...
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:33:24 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> sf > wrote:
>>
>> >The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.
>>
>> Sure, I think the only objection is to calling annatto
>> "artificial". In foodspeak, that term is usually reserved for
>> ingredients that do not occur in nature.
>>
>> Whether or not annatto meets someone's subjective definition
>> of natural, I could care less.
>>
>> Steve
>
>Kind of makes me think of those jammers who sneer at the idea of adding
>commercially-made pectin to their sauces, er-r-r-r, *jams.* Pectin's
>in most fruit, to a much higher degree in some than in others. Right
>under the peel.

Many home canners produce their own pectin by hanging damaged apples
in cheese cloth, squishing and letting their juices drip into a pot

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:33:24 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> sf > wrote:
>>
>> >The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.
>>
>> Sure, I think the only objection is to calling annatto
>> "artificial". In foodspeak, that term is usually reserved for
>> ingredients that do not occur in nature.
>>
>> Whether or not annatto meets someone's subjective definition
>> of natural, I could care less.
>>
>> Steve
>
>Kind of makes me think of those jammers who sneer at the idea of adding
>commercially-made pectin to their sauces, er-r-r-r, *jams.* Pectin's
>in most fruit, to a much higher degree in some than in others. Right
>under the peel.


After a few failures of making jelly without added pectin, it's back
to my old way. I was hoping for a more concentrated fruit flavor. It
may be a more concentrated flavor but it ain't jelly.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:59:45 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > blake murphy > wrote:
> >
> > > >>no. a 'good person at heart' does not go out of his way to insult
> > > >>people
> > > >>just to get a rise out of them.
> > > >
> > > > What irony... that makes you the most sardonic creep here... and don't
> > > > take that literally, you don't have knees! LOL The mick is also in
> > > > the bottom 10 percentile of the usenet ignoranus pool... someone whose
> > > > only purpose for being here is bashing out his bitterness on people is
> > > > dumber than shit for advertising that he has no legs... did we really
> > > > need to visualize your freak showedness on a cooking group... NOT! You
> > > > deserve every KICK in your vulvacanized pie hole you get.
> > >
> > > there's a gut that's really nice at heart, om.
> > >
> > > blake
> >
> > 'Scuse me Blake babe, but I did NOT write that!!!
>
> Admittedly the attribution was borked, but I read it as calling your
> attention to the post.

No, the attributions were fine. Go back and look if you are interested.
Om mangled them, including taking out the part that she posted, and
Blake was responding to, although Blake did quote what she posted about
'good person at heart'.

Pretty obviously, Om is too nice a person to have written the stuff
above.

To go into "lecture" mode, I think this is part of the problem with poor
trimming of posts. People just get in the habit of ignoring what is
left in, since often much is irrelevant and unnecessary. But Blake
carefully left in what actually applied, and I suspect that Om just
skipped it. It was a little complicated, because Blake wasn't
responding to what was immediately above, or even above that, but what
was three levels above.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 3/7/2010 10:36 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:22:00 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>
>>>> Simple fact for a simpleton: ANNATTO IS NOT SYNTHETIC. You made a
>>>> decision based on ignorance in those long-bygone days, and now you're
>>>> attempting to defend that decision with more ignorance. It's all well and
>>>> good to care for your children, but you have to educate yourself so that
>>>> you can make GOOD decisions about their care.
>>>
>>> Oh? So, you're now trying to tell me that synthetic dyes were *not*
>>> used back in the '70s? How lame is that? Do you think they use
>>> annatto now just out of the goodness of their wholesome hearts? Yeah,
>>> right and that's why McDonald's stopped using beef fat too.
>>
>> Annatto has been used as the dye in cheddar for at least a hundred years.
>> You never even checked, did you?
>>
> The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.

What is "natural cheese"?

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:03:38 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:59:45 -0600, Omelet >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > blake murphy > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>no. a 'good person at heart' does not go out of his way to insult
> > > > >>people
> > > > >>just to get a rise out of them.
> > > > >
> > > > > What irony... that makes you the most sardonic creep here... and don't
> > > > > take that literally, you don't have knees! LOL The mick is also in
> > > > > the bottom 10 percentile of the usenet ignoranus pool... someone whose
> > > > > only purpose for being here is bashing out his bitterness on people is
> > > > > dumber than shit for advertising that he has no legs... did we really
> > > > > need to visualize your freak showedness on a cooking group... NOT! You
> > > > > deserve every KICK in your vulvacanized pie hole you get.
> > > >
> > > > there's a gut that's really nice at heart, om.
> > > >
> > > > blake
> > >
> > > 'Scuse me Blake babe, but I did NOT write that!!!
> >
> > Admittedly the attribution was borked, but I read it as calling your
> > attention to the post.
>
> No, the attributions were fine. Go back and look if you are interested.
> Om mangled them, including taking out the part that she posted, and
> Blake was responding to, although Blake did quote what she posted about
> 'good person at heart'.
>
> Pretty obviously, Om is too nice a person to have written the stuff
> above.
>
> To go into "lecture" mode, I think this is part of the problem with poor
> trimming of posts. People just get in the habit of ignoring what is
> left in, since often much is irrelevant and unnecessary. But Blake
> carefully left in what actually applied, and I suspect that Om just
> skipped it. It was a little complicated, because Blake wasn't
> responding to what was immediately above, or even above that, but what
> was three levels above.

I should have said the proper attributes were *missing*.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> > > 'Scuse me Blake babe, but I did NOT write that!!!
> >
> > Admittedly the attribution was borked, but I read it as calling your
> > attention to the post.
>
> No, the attributions were fine. Go back and look if you are interested.
> Om mangled them, including taking out the part that she posted, and
> Blake was responding to, although Blake did quote what she posted about
> 'good person at heart'.
>
> Pretty obviously, Om is too nice a person to have written the stuff
> above.

Om tries. Truly. At least most of the time. ;-) Thank you.
>
> To go into "lecture" mode, I think this is part of the problem with poor
> trimming of posts. People just get in the habit of ignoring what is
> left in, since often much is irrelevant and unnecessary. But Blake
> carefully left in what actually applied, and I suspect that Om just
> skipped it. It was a little complicated, because Blake wasn't
> responding to what was immediately above, or even above that, but what
> was three levels above.
>
> --
> Dan Abel

Nobody is perfect. <g> It gets tricky when you are responding to two
people.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein

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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:03:38 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > sf > wrote:

> > > Admittedly the attribution was borked, but I read it as calling your
> > > attention to the post.
> >
> > No, the attributions were fine. Go back and look if you are interested.

> > To go into "lecture" mode, I think this is part of the problem with poor
> > trimming of posts. People just get in the habit of ignoring what is
> > left in, since often much is irrelevant and unnecessary. But Blake
> > carefully left in what actually applied, and I suspect that Om just
> > skipped it. It was a little complicated, because Blake wasn't
> > responding to what was immediately above, or even above that, but what
> > was three levels above.
>
> I should have said the proper attributes were *missing*.

No, they were all there, in Blake's post. The following posts got
mangled, though.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:00:50 -0600, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy is obviously Bi-polar. He's fine when he takes his meds...
>> I wouldn't say "obviously". I don't know anyone bipolar (if I know
>> one at all) well enough to base a conclusion like that on.
>
> Unfortunately, I've known a couple of them. And they acted just like
> Andy does when their meds wore off.

I dated a bi-polar man, and he never acted like that.

--
Jean B.

In article >, "Jean B." >
wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:00:50 -0600, Omelet >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Andy is obviously Bi-polar. He's fine when he takes his meds...
> >> I wouldn't say "obviously". I don't know anyone bipolar (if I know
> >> one at all) well enough to base a conclusion like that on.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I've known a couple of them. And they acted just like
> > Andy does when their meds wore off.
>
> I dated a bi-polar man, and he never acted like that.

I guess it varies between individuals. Andy acts like he has voices in
his head! I joke about it sometimes but I understand that if it's real,
it's not so funny.
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--Steve Rothstein

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In article >,
brooklyn1 > wrote:
> Many home canners produce their own pectin by hanging damaged apples
> in cheese cloth, squishing and letting their juices drip into a pot

Many? ROTFLMAO!!! Some might; I don't know any.


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sf replied:

> The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.

The fact remains that if you're going to say that annatto is unnatural, then
CHEESE is unnatural. Annatto-dyed cheese is every bit as natural as undyed
cheese.

Bob

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:21:23 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> brooklyn1 > wrote:
>> Many home canners produce their own pectin by hanging damaged apples
>> in cheese cloth, squishing and letting their juices drip into a pot
>
>Many? ROTFLMAO!!! Some might; I don't know any.

Then your jam world is small, or you associate with the wealthier home
preservers. Apples are very plentiful in NY State. Commercial
pectin is expensive, apples are cheap, or free for the taking. Not
everyone buys their fruit from the market like you do, or has an "in"
with a commercial canner. A lot of people hereabouts grow their own
and put up a lot of fruit of all kinds, it's a major part of their
livelihood, not something they dabble at to win ribbons. Many folks
make their own pectin... I discovered this because the locals ask to
harvest my crabapples, but I prefer to let the critters have them, and
I don't need folks over running the place, especially when there's
nothing in it for me. Believe it or not many folks in NY State raise
livestock and grow much of their own feed... it's not a hobby, it's
how they survive.

http://www.wildflowers-and-weeds.com...ger/pectin.htm

"J. Clarke" > wrote in message ...
| On 3/7/2010 10:36 AM, sf wrote:
| > On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:22:00 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
| > > wrote:
| >
| >> sf wrote:
| >>
| >>>> Simple fact for a simpleton: ANNATTO IS NOT SYNTHETIC. You made a
| >>>> decision based on ignorance in those long-bygone days, and now you're
| >>>> attempting to defend that decision with more ignorance. It's all well and
| >>>> good to care for your children, but you have to educate yourself so that
| >>>> you can make GOOD decisions about their care.
| >>>
| >>> Oh? So, you're now trying to tell me that synthetic dyes were *not*
| >>> used back in the '70s? How lame is that? Do you think they use
| >>> annatto now just out of the goodness of their wholesome hearts? Yeah,
| >>> right and that's why McDonald's stopped using beef fat too.
| >>
| >> Annatto has been used as the dye in cheddar for at least a hundred years.
| >> You never even checked, did you?
| >>
| > The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.
|
| What is "natural cheese"?

From https://www.msu.edu/~mdr/vol14no2/ustunol.html :
(This is a long, small-print article that traces the history of processed cheese
vs. natural cheese way back in history. Interesting and very academic.)

"Processed cheese is made from natural cheeses that may vary in degree of
sharpness of flavor. Natural cheeses are shredded and heated to a molten
mass. The molten mass of protein, water and oil is emulsified during heating
with suitable emulsifying salts to produce a stable oil-in-water emulsion..."

pavane

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:45:15 -0800, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:59:45 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>>> >>no. a 'good person at heart' does not go out of his way to insult people
>>> >>just to get a rise out of them.
>>> >
>>> > What irony... that makes you the most sardonic creep here... and don't
>>> > take that literally, you don't have knees! LOL The mick is also in
>>> > the bottom 10 percentile of the usenet ignoranus pool... someone whose
>>> > only purpose for being here is bashing out his bitterness on people is
>>> > dumber than shit for advertising that he has no legs... did we really
>>> > need to visualize your freak showedness on a cooking group... NOT! You
>>> > deserve every KICK in your vulvacanized pie hole you get.
>>>
>>> there's a gut that's really nice at heart, om.
>>>
>>> blake
>>
>> 'Scuse me Blake babe, but I did NOT write that!!!
>
> Admittedly the attribution was borked, but I read it as calling your
> attention to the post.

i went back and looked, and *my* attributions were correct. om muffed that
one.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:09:12 -0500, Jean B. wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:00:50 -0600, Omelet >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andy is obviously Bi-polar. He's fine when he takes his meds...
>>> I wouldn't say "obviously". I don't know anyone bipolar (if I know
>>> one at all) well enough to base a conclusion like that on.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I've known a couple of them. And they acted just like
>> Andy does when their meds wore off.
>
> I dated a bi-polar man, and he never acted like that.

i was goping to say, when do we see andy acting 'normal' person'?

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:55:02 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:00:50 -0600, Omelet >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andy is obviously Bi-polar. He's fine when he takes his meds...
>>>> I wouldn't say "obviously". I don't know anyone bipolar (if I know
>>>> one at all) well enough to base a conclusion like that on.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I've known a couple of them. And they acted just like
>>> Andy does when their meds wore off.
>>
>> I dated a bi-polar man, and he never acted like that.
>
> I guess it varies between individuals. Andy acts like he has voices in
> his head! I joke about it sometimes but I understand that if it's real,
> it's not so funny.

if so, he needs to get some smarter voices.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:52:43 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:58:47 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> <shrugs> ok. It's just that I've personally met some people who behaved
>>>>> like that only on usenet for the entertainment value, and were actually
>>>>> really nice people in "real life". It seems to be a usenet thing. I
>>>>> personally try to be myself here for the most part. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> and i dispute that people are assholes on usenet are 'nice people' in real
>>>> life. it seems they are suppressing their assholishness in real life
>>>> because there might be consequences there. on usenet they can be what they
>>>> want to be, and choose to be assholes.
>>>>
>>>> 'nice' people (or civilized people, if you prefer) are nice all they way
>>>> through - they don't put in on or take it off like a suit of clothes
>>>> dependding on hat they can get away with.
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> That's actually an excellent point... but I used to play Dungeons and
>>> Dragons back in College. Some people simply need an outlet.
>>>
>>> And I forgive them for it, even when they take out my high level Magic
>>> User/Cleric. <g>
>>
>> i think there's a difference between usenet and a role-playing game. or
>> should be, anyway.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Oh? Really? Could'a fooled me in some people's cases. <g>
> I agree tho' that there should be, but I seem to see it all the time.
> Believe me, it's far worse on the political lists which is why I don't
> hang there any more. I always felt like I had to take a bath when I was
> done reading posts! No matter how many killfiles I set up...

'in some people's cases' being the key phrase here. they are commonly
referred to as 'assholes.'

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:33:24 -0600, Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> sf > wrote:
>>
>>>The fact remains that natural cheese is not annatto colored.
>>
>> Sure, I think the only objection is to calling annatto
>> "artificial". In foodspeak, that term is usually reserved for
>> ingredients that do not occur in nature.
>>
>> Whether or not annatto meets someone's subjective definition
>> of natural, I could care less.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Kind of makes me think of those jammers who sneer at the idea of adding
> commercially-made pectin to their sauces, er-r-r-r, *jams.* Pectin's
> in most fruit, to a much higher degree in some than in others. Right
> under the peel.

brothers under the peel!

your pal,
blake