Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote:
>
>> I am so sorry to hear you are a fellow sufferer.
>
> Ditto. It's not easy to live with sometimes.
>
>> Stress is a big no-no, so
>> try to mellow out.
>
> But how the hell do I _not_ stress out when I am unemployed for the
> first time since I was a college freshman? :-(
>
> I'm scared.
>
>> I think stress is what pushed me to the brink starting
>> last fall. For some reason, this time around, I can't do eggs in any form --
>> feels like claws digging around inside me. I'm semi successful with a small
>> amount of canned cream of tomato soup, but that is about as solid a food
>> form as I can go.
>
> Cream soups should be good. Tomato won't work for me. <g>
> Maybe cream of chicken.
>
>> The other thing that is successful is those little
>> crackers with peanut butter they sell at the check out counter. I can
>> nibble one or two crackers of the packet and that will be o.k. You've lost
>> more weight than I. I've lost 17 since Jan. 18. I can do a little
>> Gatorade.
>
> I may have to reconsider gatorade.
> I tend to avoid it due to the carbs.
>
>> Sleep? I've been in bed most of the time with the TV on for
>> company and doze in between.
>
> Been sleeping a lot to. I hear you there!
>
>> I hope you are able to turn your situation
>> around soon. Take care.
>> Janet
>
> I try very, very hard to keep a positive attitude...
> Been told by one of the headhunters that I'm very marketable.
> I'm also trying to learn how to become an importer, but that's a
> separate thread. It's possible to start a new business on a shoestring,
> especially if one is willing to risk some credit.
>
> What is causing your stress? That is a biggie with IBS imho.
> Stress and food intolerances.
>
> I need to get more Pepto' and Tagamet today.

Still, Om, you have to try to chill out. Yes, do what you have to
do to get another job, but beyond that stress is just damaging. I
know this altogether too well.

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> Bentyl or Levsin. I've used Levsin in the past (good stuff), but I
> cannot afford to see an MD to get an Rx at the moment.
>
> But, thank you. :-)
>
> Right now, generic Tagamet is working. I switch back and forth between
> that and Zantac.

BTW, I get colitis when I am really stressed out.

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> Funny how tastes vary. Mom *always* made mint sauce to go with our roast
>> leg of lamb (which was one of our Sunday lunch regulars when I was a
>> kid). I liked it. Maybe it's a British Thing, I dunno.
>
> No. I love mint with lamb.
>
I like mint sauce. I have no use for mint jelly.

Dave Smith wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> Funny how tastes vary. Mom *always* made mint sauce to go with our roast
>>> leg of lamb (which was one of our Sunday lunch regulars when I was a
>>> kid). I liked it. Maybe it's a British Thing, I dunno.
>>
>> No. I love mint with lamb.
>>
> I like mint sauce. I have no use for mint jelly.

Heh! I could say something about a more direct British heritage!
I like both, but I grew up with mint jelly. Taking things to
extremes, my daughter considers lamb to be a vehicle for the jelly.

--
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All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently
opposed. Third, it is accepted as being
self-evident. --Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> Funny how tastes vary. Mom *always* made mint sauce to go with our roast
>>> leg of lamb (which was one of our Sunday lunch regulars when I was a
>>> kid). I liked it. Maybe it's a British Thing, I dunno.
>> No. I love mint with lamb.
>
> I like mint as one of the herbs with lamb. I'm not so keen on it as
> the singular accompaniment.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee @ Arabian Knits

I am afraid I am a creature of habit in this regard!

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:

>> I like mint sauce. I have no use for mint jelly.
>
> Heh! I could say something about a more direct British heritage! I
> like both, but I grew up with mint jelly. Taking things to extremes, my
> daughter considers lamb to be a vehicle for the jelly.

My surname betrays my father's family roots.... British. However, I only
remember my mother cooking lamb once. She loved it but my father hated
it. When I grill lamb chops I usually rub them with garlic and then
smear them with mint sauce and let them sit for a while before grilling.
They do not need any more as a condiment. I do use it as a condiment
with leg of lamb.

As Sheldon pointed out, mint, oregano and marjoram are all in the same
family. Oregano also goes well with lamb.

"Jean B." wrote:
>
> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
> > Funny how tastes vary. Mom *always* made mint sauce to go with our roast
> > leg of lamb (which was one of our Sunday lunch regulars when I was a
> > kid). I liked it. Maybe it's a British Thing, I dunno.
>
> No. I love mint with lamb.

I love lamb... I have no need to mask it's wonderful flavor with mint.

In article > ,
"Janet Bostwick" > wrote:

> You're smart. You will get by. You have to be convinced of that. Losing a
> job is a big time shock,

To put it mildly.

> especially if always having one is a part of your
> identity. You have other things going for you, you don't need to be
> identified by your job. I know you will find something else soon. Let us
> know how you are doing.

I will. And thank you. I am just running scared right now and trying,
not only my field, but other things outside of my field before running
out of resources. Sales are hard but they are kinda fun. Especially if
you play with working for yourself.

>
> My stress began when a CT scan came in last January with a little spot
> (non-pathogenic) on it. I'd been having clear CT scans for several years.
> Then in July my daughter and I had a big time bust up -- serious. In July,
> the dog had a serious brush with death. Then in August a new CT scan showed
> that the January non-pathogenic spot was gone, but there was a smidge of
> something else that was non-pathogenic. Then we (husband and I) lost a
> third of our income due to the economy. Then the crazy b***h lady
> downstream turned us in to the Humane Society and was taking us to court for
> 'excessive accumulation of feces.' We had no idea what that meant. Only
> that it was 60 days and or $1,000. Asking questions at the court elicited
> no answers. When we told the judge (to set court date) we didn't understand
> what we were being charged with, he said it wasn't his problem. We didn't
> find out until discovery, several month's later, that my husband was accused
> of not picking up after our dog on walks. We also found out the Humane
> Society had sent 2 people out to scout the neighborhood for these piles of
> poop and were unable to find anything at all. You'd think that would
> warrant dropping the case, but no, the wheels of justice must grind on. So
> we had to hire a lawyer to represent us. Take time off work. Finally, in
> mid-November the lawyer went to meet with the judge and prosecutor and the
> case was dropped for lack of evidence. That b***h downstream sics the law
> in one form or another on us every 18 months or so, but this has been the
> worst. There isn't a neighbor around her that hasn't had trouble with her,
> but she is able to use the system -- free of charge to her and an expense to
> her victim. Several neighbors have simply sold up and moved because of her
> harassment. I won't.
> Janet

Not if you and the neighbors get together with a class action lawsuit
for harassment!
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In article >,
Boron Elgar > wrote:

> Oh, Janet, that must be awful. It is such an odd disorder - with a
> wide variety of symptoms even within the same person over the course
> of a flare-up.
>
> After having been symtomless for quite awhile, mine has started acting
> up the last month. It's not a nice club to be in. I have never been
> sure that stress can invariably trigger it in me, but I think almost
> anything can be aggravated by stress as feeling crappy only makes adds
> to other stress on the body. Chicken and egg, I suppose, at least in
> my case, as I know I have had some super aggravating stressful times
> in my life with no bother from the IBS and at other, seemingly calmer
> periods it has flared. Quien sabe?
>
> Sending you both my best healing thoughts.
>
> Boron

I am sorry you are a member of the club too. It is not enetertaining...
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In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:06:37 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:
>
> > And commercial shrimp... arg. There are all sorts of quality
> > problems there, whereas wild-caught shrimp is difficult to come by
> > not to mention expensive, usually.
>
> We both (Om and I) get the same wild caught Gulf shrimp lately for
> around $5/lb. But the problem is that it sucks. It has a very
> strong iodine/bleach taste. So even if it's earth friendly and
> humanely raised <cough>, it's just not worth eating.
>
> -sw

Unfortunately, I have to agree with that. The Iodine overtones are not
appealing.
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In article >, "Jean B." >
wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
> > Funny how tastes vary. Mom *always* made mint sauce to go with our roast
> > leg of lamb (which was one of our Sunday lunch regulars when I was a
> > kid). I liked it. Maybe it's a British Thing, I dunno.
>
> No. I love mint with lamb.

Ok. :-) But I eat very little lamb. It's too expensive!
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In article >, "Jean B." >
wrote:

> > I try very, very hard to keep a positive attitude...
> > Been told by one of the headhunters that I'm very marketable.
> > I'm also trying to learn how to become an importer, but that's a
> > separate thread. It's possible to start a new business on a shoestring,
> > especially if one is willing to risk some credit.
> >
> > What is causing your stress? That is a biggie with IBS imho.
> > Stress and food intolerances.
> >
> > I need to get more Pepto' and Tagamet today.
>
> Still, Om, you have to try to chill out. Yes, do what you have to
> do to get another job, but beyond that stress is just damaging. I
> know this altogether too well.
>
> --
> Jean B.

I know. And I will toss that bit of wisdom back to you. :-)
We both care... <HUGS!>
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In article >, "Jean B." >
wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > Bentyl or Levsin. I've used Levsin in the past (good stuff), but I
> > cannot afford to see an MD to get an Rx at the moment.
> >
> > But, thank you. :-)
> >
> > Right now, generic Tagamet is working. I switch back and forth between
> > that and Zantac.
>
> BTW, I get colitis when I am really stressed out.

Colitis is part of IBS hon'. Dr. Deschner (the Gastroenterologist MD)
told me that IBS includes the entire digestive tract, from mouth to
anus...
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Omelet wrote:

>>> Funny how tastes vary. Mom *always* made mint sauce to go with our roast
>>> leg of lamb (which was one of our Sunday lunch regulars when I was a
>>> kid). I liked it. Maybe it's a British Thing, I dunno.
>> No. I love mint with lamb.
>
> Ok. :-) But I eat very little lamb. It's too expensive!


It does tend to be more expensive than other meats. The price varies a
lot. I always keep and eye out for lamb shanks because the price of them
seems to vary more than the other cuts, and I am talking about prices
often being double their lows. I tend to get it only when the prices are
down. My local grocery store sells rolled up boneless legs, usually
around 2-1/2 pounds, and they run $11-12 when prices are down, $19-24
when prices are up.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news snip
> Not if you and the neighbors get together with a class action lawsuit
> for harassment!
> --
> Peace! Om
That is next. She has run out of people willing to let things go. The
lawyer recommends it.
Janet

In article > ,
"Janet Bostwick" > wrote:

>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news > snip
> > Not if you and the neighbors get together with a class action lawsuit
> > for harassment!
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> That is next. She has run out of people willing to let things go. The
> lawyer recommends it.
> Janet

So get organized. With him and all the neighbors. You can only put up
with her crap for just so long. She needs to be put in her place!
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Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> My stress began when a CT scan came in last January with a little spot
> (non-pathogenic) on it. I'd been having clear CT scans for several years.
> Then in July my daughter and I had a big time bust up -- serious. In July,
> the dog had a serious brush with death. Then in August a new CT scan showed
> that the January non-pathogenic spot was gone, but there was a smidge of
> something else that was non-pathogenic. Then we (husband and I) lost a
> third of our income due to the economy. Then the crazy b***h lady
> downstream turned us in to the Humane Society and was taking us to court for
> 'excessive accumulation of feces.' We had no idea what that meant. Only
> that it was 60 days and or $1,000. Asking questions at the court elicited
> no answers. When we told the judge (to set court date) we didn't understand
> what we were being charged with, he said it wasn't his problem. We didn't
> find out until discovery, several month's later, that my husband was accused
> of not picking up after our dog on walks. We also found out the Humane
> Society had sent 2 people out to scout the neighborhood for these piles of
> poop and were unable to find anything at all. You'd think that would
> warrant dropping the case, but no, the wheels of justice must grind on. So
> we had to hire a lawyer to represent us. Take time off work. Finally, in
> mid-November the lawyer went to meet with the judge and prosecutor and the
> case was dropped for lack of evidence. That b***h downstream sics the law
> in one form or another on us every 18 months or so, but this has been the
> worst. There isn't a neighbor around her that hasn't had trouble with her,
> but she is able to use the system -- free of charge to her and an expense to
> her victim. Several neighbors have simply sold up and moved because of her
> harassment. I won't.


She sounds as bad as the farmer who used to have an orchard beside me.
He was a miserable ******* who owned several properties along this road.
At one time he had lawsuits going with 6 of his neighbours. He got into
a fist fight with my other next door neighbour when he saw him help
himself to an apple. Crazy farmer had a habit of encroaching on his
neighbours' properties and then claiming the land on squatter's rights.

I had several run-ins with him. One time he sicced the police on me and
wanted me charged with attempted murder, that I had attacked him with an
axe. When the police showed up I explained what had happened. I told
them about his history of squatter's rights claims and how I had seen
him disking the land and I went back with an axe and some stakes that I
sharpened and drove into the ground along the property line and he just
drove right over them. So I stood in front of him.... on my
property...as he was headed towards it. He stopped and told me "Get the
**** out of my way or I will run you over." I stood my ground and told
him to stay off my land. He sped up the engine and popped the clutch and
came flying at me on the tractor. I jumped out of the way but swung the
axe at the tractor, which funnily enough, broke off and went sailing
towards his head. He had to duck to avoid being struck by the flying
headlight.

The police left and I never heard any more about that incident. A few
years later they came out again because he had complained about me
having a shotgun out when he was working in the orchard. I had been out
trap shooting in the afternoon and I was cleaning the gun out on my patio.

The guy was nuts. Thank goodness he retired and sold his farms. We now
have very pleasant neighbours.


I never had any more trouble with him after that. He had been able to
bully the other neighbours, but he realized that I would stand up to him
physically.

Pete C. wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> Funny how tastes vary. Mom *always* made mint sauce to go with our roast
>> leg of lamb (which was one of our Sunday lunch regulars when I was a
>> kid). I liked it. Maybe it's a British Thing, I dunno.

My family is 3/4ths from the Black Forest region, 1/8th from points
south in the Austro-Hungarian Empire and 1/8th from points north of the
channel. There was always mint with lamb when I was young. It's a
wider tradition than the UK.

I never got why lamb was served with mint. I totally agree with Pete C:

> I think it's an old marketing ploy to mask the wonderful flavor of lamb
> and make it more appealing to those with less discerning palettes.

Absolutely. For that matter lamb is substituted for goat and served to
those with less discerning palettes. ;^)

I like lamb with pretty much any fresh herbs and that includes mint as
fresh leaves not as mint jelly. There's another reason why I never got
the point of serving mint with lamb - It was mint jelly. Even as BBQ
sauce I figure adding sugar to meat makes as much sense as adding
styrofoam to beer. (Beer's supposed to have foam, right?)

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
snip
>
>
> I never had any more trouble with him after that. He had been able to
> bully the other neighbours, but he realized that I would stand up to him
> physically.
>
That sounds very much like her. Most people just want to be able to live
their lives. It's too bad others need bullying to make them feel good.
Janet

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> The guy was nuts. Thank goodness he retired and sold his farms. We now
> have very pleasant neighbours.
>
>
> I never had any more trouble with him after that. He had been able to
> bully the other neighbours, but he realized that I would stand up to him
> physically.

Sometimes that is all it takes...
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:56:27 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

> I like lamb with pretty much any fresh herbs and that includes mint as
> fresh leaves not as mint jelly. There's another reason why I never got
> the point of serving mint with lamb - It was mint jelly. Even as BBQ
> sauce I figure adding sugar to meat makes as much sense as adding
> styrofoam to beer.

I *love* mint jelly, hate mint sauce. It just isn't the same.
Unfortunately, I'm the only one in my immediate family that likes it.
They simply don't like mint with lamb. So, I have my jar of mint
jelly and I eat it with lamb all by myself.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Pete C. wrote:

> I love lamb... I have no need to mask it's wonderful flavor with mint.

If you're masking the flavor instead of just complimenting it, you're
using way too much mint.

We always use garlic and ginger, with mint sauce or jelly on the side
when doing English style roast lamb.

Goomba wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > I love lamb... I have no need to mask it's wonderful flavor with mint.
>
> If you're masking the flavor instead of just complimenting it, you're
> using way too much mint.
>
> We always use garlic and ginger, with mint sauce or jelly on the side
> when doing English style roast lamb.

Your mint sauce or jelly can remain on the side - untouched by me. I
simply do not find mint to compliment the flavor of lamb, rather it
insults it.

Pete C. > wrote:

>Your mint sauce or jelly can remain on the side - untouched by me. I
>simply do not find mint to compliment the flavor of lamb, rather it
>insults it.

I feel similarly.

It does, however, complement the tast of turkey -- a turkey
sandwich with a good East Anglia mint sauce is wonderful.

Steve

Dave Smith wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> Funny how tastes vary. Mom *always* made mint sauce to go with our roast
>>> leg of lamb (which was one of our Sunday lunch regulars when I was a
>>> kid). I liked it. Maybe it's a British Thing, I dunno.
>>
>> No. I love mint with lamb.
>>
> I like mint sauce. I have no use for mint jelly.


I believe both are used to disguise/temper the flavor of lamb that's too
strong flavored for people who don't particularly like lamb. When I
first tasted lamb, the mint made it a lot more palatable.

gloria p

Omelet wrote:
> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>>> I try very, very hard to keep a positive attitude...
>>> Been told by one of the headhunters that I'm very marketable.
>>> I'm also trying to learn how to become an importer, but that's a
>>> separate thread. It's possible to start a new business on a shoestring,
>>> especially if one is willing to risk some credit.
>>>
>>> What is causing your stress? That is a biggie with IBS imho.
>>> Stress and food intolerances.
>>>
>>> I need to get more Pepto' and Tagamet today.
>> Still, Om, you have to try to chill out. Yes, do what you have to
>> do to get another job, but beyond that stress is just damaging. I
>> know this altogether too well.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> I know. And I will toss that bit of wisdom back to you. :-)
> We both care... <HUGS!>

I think we who know need to help each other. BTW, you can feel
free to email me if you ever want to do that.

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> Bentyl or Levsin. I've used Levsin in the past (good stuff), but I
>>> cannot afford to see an MD to get an Rx at the moment.
>>>
>>> But, thank you. :-)
>>>
>>> Right now, generic Tagamet is working. I switch back and forth between
>>> that and Zantac.
>> BTW, I get colitis when I am really stressed out.
>
> Colitis is part of IBS hon'. Dr. Deschner (the Gastroenterologist MD)
> told me that IBS includes the entire digestive tract, from mouth to
> anus...

I hadn't heard that. But then I have been lucky for some years
now. Maybe not much longer though...

--
Jean B.

gloria.p wrote:

> I believe both are used to disguise/temper the flavor of lamb that's too
> strong flavored for people who don't particularly like lamb. When I
> first tasted lamb, the mint made it a lot more palatable.
>
> gloria p

I LOVE lamb and am sad that a lot of the lamb we get now seems
milder than it did in days of yore.

--
Jean B.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently
opposed. Third, it is accepted as being
self-evident. --Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Omelet wrote:

> In article >, "Jean B."
> > wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>> > Funny how tastes vary. Mom *always* made mint sauce to go with our
>> > roast leg of lamb (which was one of our Sunday lunch regulars when
>> > I was a kid). I liked it. Maybe it's a British Thing, I dunno.
>>
>> No. I love mint with lamb.
>
> Ok. :-) But I eat very little lamb. It's too expensive!

Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
(little) bit cheaper than beef.

Piece of useless trivia, my son bought a whole dressed sheep that
weighed 17kg (i.e. skinned and with the head and innards removed) a
couple of weeks ago - we were having a party and we cooked it (whole)
on a 'spit' (outdoor rotisserie kinda thing). It cost us ZAR640-00,
which is about USD86.48 at the current exchange rate. <Some more calcs>
17kg = 37.48lb, which would make the price per pound roughly US$2.30.
Of course when you buy the whole thing you get some good quality meat
and some not so good, but it was delicious nonetheless. We fed 16
people from that sheep - and a couple of our friends' dogs were mighty
happy to get the bones afterwards <grin>
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:13:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

> Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
> thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
> cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
> farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
> (little) bit cheaper than beef.

I guess you're not familiar with the range wars of the 1800's in the
USA.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:13:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>> Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
>> thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
>> cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
>> farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
>> (little) bit cheaper than beef.
>
> I guess you're not familiar with the range wars of the 1800's in the
> USA.
>
'Fraid not. <goes off to google>
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

sf wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:13:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>> Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
>> thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
>> cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
>> farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
>> (little) bit cheaper than beef.
>
> I guess you're not familiar with the range wars of the 1800's in the
> USA.
>
OK, did some quick googling... according to Wiki most "Range Wars"
were "conflict that occurs in agrarian or stockrearing societies.
Typically fought over water rights or grazing rights to
unfenced/unowned land."

Anyhoo, that was then and this is now - so what's to stop a present day
rancher running both cattle and sheep on his/her *own* fenced off land
(using his/her share of the water in the area)? Happens here, no
problems. And yes, there is still some 'public' land that the farmers
share for grazing their stock - and I haven't seen any gun fights over
it lately...

Therefore, I still don't get it.
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In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >, "Jean B." >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> I try very, very hard to keep a positive attitude...
> >>> Been told by one of the headhunters that I'm very marketable.
> >>> I'm also trying to learn how to become an importer, but that's a
> >>> separate thread. It's possible to start a new business on a shoestring,
> >>> especially if one is willing to risk some credit.
> >>>
> >>> What is causing your stress? That is a biggie with IBS imho.
> >>> Stress and food intolerances.
> >>>
> >>> I need to get more Pepto' and Tagamet today.
> >> Still, Om, you have to try to chill out. Yes, do what you have to
> >> do to get another job, but beyond that stress is just damaging. I
> >> know this altogether too well.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jean B.
> >
> > I know. And I will toss that bit of wisdom back to you. :-)
> > We both care... <HUGS!>
>
> I think we who know need to help each other. BTW, you can feel
> free to email me if you ever want to do that.

Thanks sweetie! Same here... :-)
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In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >, "Jean B." >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Omelet wrote:
> >>> Bentyl or Levsin. I've used Levsin in the past (good stuff), but I
> >>> cannot afford to see an MD to get an Rx at the moment.
> >>>
> >>> But, thank you. :-)
> >>>
> >>> Right now, generic Tagamet is working. I switch back and forth between
> >>> that and Zantac.
> >> BTW, I get colitis when I am really stressed out.
> >
> > Colitis is part of IBS hon'. Dr. Deschner (the Gastroenterologist MD)
> > told me that IBS includes the entire digestive tract, from mouth to
> > anus...
>
> I hadn't heard that. But then I have been lucky for some years
> now. Maybe not much longer though...

I literally feel your pain! Hope you are still feeling better today.
I've been nauseated for hours but the Pepto' is helping.
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In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >, "Jean B."
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> ChattyCathy wrote:
> >>
> >> > Funny how tastes vary. Mom *always* made mint sauce to go with our
> >> > roast leg of lamb (which was one of our Sunday lunch regulars when
> >> > I was a kid). I liked it. Maybe it's a British Thing, I dunno.
> >>
> >> No. I love mint with lamb.
> >
> > Ok. :-) But I eat very little lamb. It's too expensive!
>
> Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
> thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
> cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
> farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
> (little) bit cheaper than beef.

Probably because much of it is imported.

>
> Piece of useless trivia, my son bought a whole dressed sheep that
> weighed 17kg (i.e. skinned and with the head and innards removed) a
> couple of weeks ago - we were having a party and we cooked it (whole)
> on a 'spit' (outdoor rotisserie kinda thing). It cost us ZAR640-00,
> which is about USD86.48 at the current exchange rate. <Some more calcs>
> 17kg = 37.48lb, which would make the price per pound roughly US$2.30.
> Of course when you buy the whole thing you get some good quality meat
> and some not so good, but it was delicious nonetheless. We fed 16
> people from that sheep - and a couple of our friends' dogs were mighty
> happy to get the bones afterwards <grin>

Sounds utterly fabulous. :-)
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sf > wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:13:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
> > Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
> > thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
> > cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
> > farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
> > (little) bit cheaper than beef.
>
> I guess you're not familiar with the range wars of the 1800's in the
> USA.

Ooh, I've read about those! Nasty as hell. Thousands of sheep shot to
death. :-(
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ChattyCathy > wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:13:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
> >> thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
> >> cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
> >> farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
> >> (little) bit cheaper than beef.
> >
> > I guess you're not familiar with the range wars of the 1800's in the
> > USA.
> >
> 'Fraid not. <goes off to google>

There are some historical novels that cover those. Good reads if you
like history. :-)
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ChattyCathy > wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:13:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
> >> thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
> >> cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
> >> farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
> >> (little) bit cheaper than beef.
> >
> > I guess you're not familiar with the range wars of the 1800's in the
> > USA.
> >
> OK, did some quick googling... according to Wiki most "Range Wars"
> were "conflict that occurs in agrarian or stockrearing societies.
> Typically fought over water rights or grazing rights to
> unfenced/unowned land."
>
> Anyhoo, that was then and this is now - so what's to stop a present day
> rancher running both cattle and sheep on his/her *own* fenced off land
> (using his/her share of the water in the area)? Happens here, no
> problems. And yes, there is still some 'public' land that the farmers
> share for grazing their stock - and I haven't seen any gun fights over
> it lately...
>
> Therefore, I still don't get it.

You've never dealt with cattleman. It's bad enough around here with
grazing goats.
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Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> ChattyCathy > wrote:

>>
>> Therefore, I still don't get it.
>
> You've never dealt with cattleman. It's bad enough around here with
> grazing goats.

<laughs>

I *live* in a cattle/sheep farming area, and I've yet to see my
neighbors (who are all farmers) killing off anybody else's stock (or
each other, for that matter). Heh, we had some bulls wander into our
own back yard when we were busy putting up a new fence between our
property and our neighbor's (and those bulls saw their chance to get to
the grass on our property). Must admit I did 'shoot' those bulls, but
only with my camera. Wanna see the pics? I can mail 'em to you <eg>
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:20:41 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

> Anyhoo, that was then and this is now - so what's to stop a present day
> rancher running both cattle and sheep on his/her *own* fenced off land
> (using his/her share of the water in the area)? Happens here, no
> problems. And yes, there is still some 'public' land that the farmers
> share for grazing their stock - and I haven't seen any gun fights over
> it lately...
>
We haven't had violence here either. They are raising sheep and
cattle (together, one big herd) on unfenced public range land in South
Africa with no supervision? How do they protect the sheep from
predators and poachers? How do they tell which sheep belongs to what
farmer?

> Therefore, I still don't get it.

Think of the range wars as the precursor to agribusiness. There were
huge herds of cattle to graze and lots of animosity against farmers
and their fences.

We still have large herds of cattle today that are your typical mass
produced supermarket animal. We speak in terms of mass production
when we talk about them. Those cattle are "produced", not "raised".
Since it is big business, obviously there is a financial reason for
keeping them separate from sheep.

Fenced land here tends to house specialty breeds of cattle, dairy
cattle or sheep. Maybe there are smaller commercial producers who
raise sheep and cattle in the same field somewhere in the USA, but
it's not common. Farmers here are businessmen and businessmen tend to
specialize (you don't go to the convenience store to buy a tractor).



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