"ChattyCathy" > wrote
>
> Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
> thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
> cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
> farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
> (little) bit cheaper than beef.

Lamb is not expensive, beef is cheap. Cattle are raised in factory
conditions and fatted up fast and cheap.

sf wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:20:41 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>> Anyhoo, that was then and this is now - so what's to stop a present
>> day rancher running both cattle and sheep on his/her *own* fenced off
>> land (using his/her share of the water in the area)? Happens here, no
>> problems. And yes, there is still some 'public' land that the farmers
>> share for grazing their stock - and I haven't seen any gun fights
>> over it lately...
>>
> We haven't had violence here either. They are raising sheep and
> cattle (together, one big herd) on unfenced public range land in South
> Africa with no supervision? How do they protect the sheep from
> predators and poachers? How do they tell which sheep belongs to what
> farmer?

Of course they're 'supervised' - and there is something called 'tagging'
to mark which stock belongs to which farmer. And no, they don't graze
the sheep and cattle there all at the same time, together. When we
first moved here, we were invited to a 'local farmers meeting' and were
told that if we wanted to graze any stock on the shared land we just
had to put our names down on a 'roster'. i.e. we'd be given dates/times
when we could put our stock there. We didn't have to take them up on
their offer, because all I have is a few chickens - but it's all rather
civilized ya know.
>
>> Therefore, I still don't get it.
>
> Think of the range wars as the precursor to agribusiness. There were
> huge herds of cattle to graze and lots of animosity against farmers
> and their fences.

Hmmmm. But if somebody actually *paid* for their land and were the legal
owners, surely they were entitled to fence it and farm whatever they
liked on it?
>
> We still have large herds of cattle today that are your typical mass
> produced supermarket animal. We speak in terms of mass production
> when we talk about them. Those cattle are "produced", not "raised".
> Since it is big business, obviously there is a financial reason for
> keeping them separate from sheep.
>
> Fenced land here tends to house specialty breeds of cattle, dairy
> cattle or sheep. Maybe there are smaller commercial producers who
> raise sheep and cattle in the same field somewhere in the USA, but
> it's not common. Farmers here are businessmen and businessmen tend to
> specialize (you don't go to the convenience store to buy a tractor).

Makes more sense than blaming it all on "Range Wars", IMHO.

BTW, where I live the tractor store *is* the convenience store ;-)

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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
snip>
> I literally feel your pain! Hope you are still feeling better today.
> I've been nauseated for hours but the Pepto' is helping.
> --
> Peace! Om
The 24/7 nausea is the worst part. Om, I know you don't feel like it, but
be sure to keep hydrated, watch your electrolytes and potassium. Jam as
many nutrients and calories into what little you are able to take in. Just
sayin' . . .
Janet

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:13:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
>> >> thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
>> >> cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
>> >> farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
>> >> (little) bit cheaper than beef.
>> >
>> > I guess you're not familiar with the range wars of the 1800's in the
>> > USA.
>> >
>> 'Fraid not. <goes off to google>
>
> There are some historical novels that cover those. Good reads if you
> like history. :-)
> --
> Peace! Om
>
snip
Around here (Idaho) when you drive down a road (not an interstate highway),
you will rumble across what are known as "cattle grids" Strips of metal
bars over a ditch in the road. The idea is that cattle feet cannot cross
the metal bars. Much of Idaho (in fact, lots of Western states) is unfenced
public land. The BLM (Bureau of Land Management) contracts out grazing land
to ranchers and the cattle roam. I believe this is also true of sheep.
When we first moved here many years ago and went camping, we would often
pass sheepherders camps or wake in the morning to hear sheep passing by.
The signature sheepherder camp wagon had a rounded top, reminiscent of
covered wagons. The BLM still exists, but I haven't been camping in years,
so I don't know how all this is handled anymore.
Janet

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article >, "Jean B." >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>> Bentyl or Levsin. I've used Levsin in the past (good stuff), but I
>>>>> cannot afford to see an MD to get an Rx at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, thank you. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, generic Tagamet is working. I switch back and forth between
>>>>> that and Zantac.
>>>> BTW, I get colitis when I am really stressed out.
>>> Colitis is part of IBS hon'. Dr. Deschner (the Gastroenterologist MD)
>>> told me that IBS includes the entire digestive tract, from mouth to
>>> anus...
>> I hadn't heard that. But then I have been lucky for some years
>> now. Maybe not much longer though...
>
> I literally feel your pain! Hope you are still feeling better today.
> I've been nauseated for hours but the Pepto' is helping.

I hope that is still the case as I read this.

Here, the stress is house-related, move-related. Luckily, another
person is absorbing a lot of that stress though. Otherwise,...

--
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In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Therefore, I still don't get it.
> >
> > You've never dealt with cattleman. It's bad enough around here with
> > grazing goats.
>
> <laughs>
>
> I *live* in a cattle/sheep farming area, and I've yet to see my
> neighbors (who are all farmers) killing off anybody else's stock (or
> each other, for that matter). Heh, we had some bulls wander into our
> own back yard when we were busy putting up a new fence between our
> property and our neighbor's (and those bulls saw their chance to get to
> the grass on our property). Must admit I did 'shoot' those bulls, but
> only with my camera. Wanna see the pics? I can mail 'em to you <eg>

Sure! :-) Around here, biggest problem is with longhorns. They are
gutsy! And oh so pretty... They make nice lawn ornaments.

Granted, things are not like they were back then (which is a good thing!)
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Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:
>
> Lamb used to be more popular than beef here, during colonial and
> revolutionary times, probably a little later than that. However, tastes
> changed, I'm not sure why.

It's the mint jelly damnit! People got so caught up in this idea that
you have to have mint jelly with lamb, that they never tried wonderful
lamb without the horrid mint jelly and as a result didn't find it
appealing.

That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it...

In article > ,
"Janet Bostwick" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "Jean B." > wrote:
> >
> snip>
> > I literally feel your pain! Hope you are still feeling better today.
> > I've been nauseated for hours but the Pepto' is helping.
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> The 24/7 nausea is the worst part. Om, I know you don't feel like it, but
> be sure to keep hydrated, watch your electrolytes and potassium. Jam as
> many nutrients and calories into what little you are able to take in. Just
> sayin' . . .
> Janet

I'm just drinking juice and such. Solid food is pretty much out... Been
eating some eggs every couple of days, but it hurts to do it.
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In article > ,
"Janet Bostwick" > wrote:

> >> > I guess you're not familiar with the range wars of the 1800's in the
> >> > USA.
> >> >
> >> 'Fraid not. <goes off to google>
> >
> > There are some historical novels that cover those. Good reads if you
> > like history. :-)
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
> snip
> Around here (Idaho) when you drive down a road (not an interstate highway),
> you will rumble across what are known as "cattle grids" Strips of metal
> bars over a ditch in the road. The idea is that cattle feet cannot cross
> the metal bars. Much of Idaho (in fact, lots of Western states) is unfenced
> public land. The BLM (Bureau of Land Management) contracts out grazing land
> to ranchers and the cattle roam. I believe this is also true of sheep.
> When we first moved here many years ago and went camping, we would often
> pass sheepherders camps or wake in the morning to hear sheep passing by.
> The signature sheepherder camp wagon had a rounded top, reminiscent of
> covered wagons. The BLM still exists, but I haven't been camping in years,
> so I don't know how all this is handled anymore.
> Janet

Plenty of cattle guards around here too, but mostly on private
properties... Very little public land in Texas. Unfortunately!
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In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Jean B." > wrote:
> >
> >> Omelet wrote:
> >>> In article >, "Jean B." >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Omelet wrote:
> >>>>> Bentyl or Levsin. I've used Levsin in the past (good stuff), but I
> >>>>> cannot afford to see an MD to get an Rx at the moment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But, thank you. :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Right now, generic Tagamet is working. I switch back and forth between
> >>>>> that and Zantac.
> >>>> BTW, I get colitis when I am really stressed out.
> >>> Colitis is part of IBS hon'. Dr. Deschner (the Gastroenterologist MD)
> >>> told me that IBS includes the entire digestive tract, from mouth to
> >>> anus...
> >> I hadn't heard that. But then I have been lucky for some years
> >> now. Maybe not much longer though...
> >
> > I literally feel your pain! Hope you are still feeling better today.
> > I've been nauseated for hours but the Pepto' is helping.
>
> I hope that is still the case as I read this.
>
> Here, the stress is house-related, move-related. Luckily, another
> person is absorbing a lot of that stress though. Otherwise,...

I'll survive. I always do. <g> I hope you are doing well!
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>
> I'll survive. I always do. <g> I hope you are doing well!




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In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:
> >
> > Lamb used to be more popular than beef here, during colonial and
> > revolutionary times, probably a little later than that. However, tastes
> > changed, I'm not sure why.
>
> It's the mint jelly damnit! People got so caught up in this idea that
> you have to have mint jelly with lamb, that they never tried wonderful
> lamb without the horrid mint jelly and as a result didn't find it
> appealing.
>
> That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it...

I'll agree with you on that one! I will not not not add mint jelly to
lamb! Ever!
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"PLucas" > wrote in message
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> Omelet > wrote in
> news

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>>
>> I'll survive. I always do. <g> I hope you are doing well!

> What doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.

> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
No it doesn't. Going without nourishment for weeks on end, destroys muscle,
heart and brain tissue.
Janet

"Omelet" > wrote in message
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> In article > ,
> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote:
>snip
>> Around here (Idaho) when you drive down a road (not an interstate
>> highway),
>> you will rumble across what are known as "cattle grids" Strips of metal
>> bars over a ditch in the road. The idea is that cattle feet cannot
>> cross
>> the metal bars. Much of Idaho (in fact, lots of Western states) is
>> unfenced
>> public land. The BLM (Bureau of Land Management) contracts out grazing
>> land
>> to ranchers and the cattle roam. I believe this is also true of sheep.
>> When we first moved here many years ago and went camping, we would often
>> pass sheepherders camps or wake in the morning to hear sheep passing by.
>> The signature sheepherder camp wagon had a rounded top, reminiscent of
>> covered wagons. The BLM still exists, but I haven't been camping in
>> years,
>> so I don't know how all this is handled anymore.
>> Janet
>
> Plenty of cattle guards around here too, but mostly on private
> properties... Very little public land in Texas. Unfortunately!
> --
> Peace! Om
Public land designation around here is always a big political issue, locally
and nationally.
Janet

In article >,
PLucas > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote in
> news >
> .
> >
> > I'll survive. I always do. <g> I hope you are doing well!
>
> What doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.

In some ways, yes...
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"Ranee at Arabian Knits" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:13:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
>> > thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
>> > cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
>> > farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
>> > (little) bit cheaper than beef.
>>
>> I guess you're not familiar with the range wars of the 1800's in the
>> USA
>
> Interesting, I had not connected the range wars with the decline in
> sheep popularity. I guess I read it more as a fight between ranchers
> and farmers (with our government protecting the ranchers far more). I
> always assumed it had more to do with the government protections and
> subsidies that increased the popularity of beef, because it made it so
> much cheaper to raise and buy beef and so dangerous, legally, to make
> any negative statements about the beef industry.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee @ Arabian Knits
As I recall, the base issue was the way sheep grazed. They overgrazed an
area, leaving it unfit for cattle. Then too, water is in short supply in
the west and southwest, particularly back then when all water was natural
flow.
Janet

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in
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>
> "PLucas" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Omelet > wrote in
>> news
>
> snip
>>>
>>> I'll survive. I always do. <g> I hope you are doing well!
>
>> What doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.
>
>> Peter Lucas
>> Brisbane
>> Australia
> No it doesn't. Going without nourishment for weeks on end, destroys
> muscle, heart and brain tissue.



Yep, that too.

But if it doesn't kill you, it'll only make you stronger.


(Think outside the square, Grasshopper.)





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In article > ,
"Janet Bostwick" > wrote:

> "PLucas" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Omelet > wrote in
> > news
>
> snip
> >>
> >> I'll survive. I always do. <g> I hope you are doing well!
>
> > What doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.
>
> > Peter Lucas
> > Brisbane
> > Australia
> No it doesn't. Going without nourishment for weeks on end, destroys muscle,
> heart and brain tissue.
> Janet

Surviving is not thriving.
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In article > ,
"Janet Bostwick" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article > ,
> > "Janet Bostwick" > wrote:
> >snip
> >> Around here (Idaho) when you drive down a road (not an interstate
> >> highway),
> >> you will rumble across what are known as "cattle grids" Strips of metal
> >> bars over a ditch in the road. The idea is that cattle feet cannot
> >> cross
> >> the metal bars. Much of Idaho (in fact, lots of Western states) is
> >> unfenced
> >> public land. The BLM (Bureau of Land Management) contracts out grazing
> >> land
> >> to ranchers and the cattle roam. I believe this is also true of sheep.
> >> When we first moved here many years ago and went camping, we would often
> >> pass sheepherders camps or wake in the morning to hear sheep passing by.
> >> The signature sheepherder camp wagon had a rounded top, reminiscent of
> >> covered wagons. The BLM still exists, but I haven't been camping in
> >> years,
> >> so I don't know how all this is handled anymore.
> >> Janet
> >
> > Plenty of cattle guards around here too, but mostly on private
> > properties... Very little public land in Texas. Unfortunately!
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> Public land designation around here is always a big political issue, locally
> and nationally.
> Janet

I understand!
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> In article >,
> PLucas > wrote:
>
>> Omelet > wrote in
>> news >>
>> .
>> >
>> > I'll survive. I always do. <g> I hope you are doing well!
>>
>> What doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.
>
> In some ways, yes...



Well, life seems to be dealing you a shit sandwich at the moment...... but,
it always changes.

Sooner or later, you'll be dished up salmon roe sandwiches.



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On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:17:55 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:06:37 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:
>
>> And commercial shrimp... arg. There are all sorts of quality
>> problems there, whereas wild-caught shrimp is difficult to come by
>> not to mention expensive, usually.
>
> We both (Om and I) get the same wild caught Gulf shrimp lately for
> around $5/lb. But the problem is that it sucks. It has a very
> strong iodine/bleach taste. So even if it's earth friendly and
> humanely raised <cough>, it's just not worth eating.
>
> -sw

see, that makes them *extra* earth-friendly and humane. you're not tempted
to over-consume them.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:59:08 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> Jean B. wrote:
>
>>> I like mint sauce. I have no use for mint jelly.
>>
>> Heh! I could say something about a more direct British heritage! I
>> like both, but I grew up with mint jelly. Taking things to extremes, my
>> daughter considers lamb to be a vehicle for the jelly.
>
> My surname betrays my father's family roots.... British.

wait 'til will smith finds out.

your pal,
eddie

In article >,
PLucas > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote in newsmpomelet-FD0143.10261311032010
> @news-wc.giganews.com:
>
> > In article >,
> > PLucas > wrote:
> >
> >> Omelet > wrote in
> >> news > >>
> >> .
> >> >
> >> > I'll survive. I always do. <g> I hope you are doing well!
> >>
> >> What doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.
> >
> > In some ways, yes...
>
>
>
> Well, life seems to be dealing you a shit sandwich at the moment...... but,
> it always changes.
>
> Sooner or later, you'll be dished up salmon roe sandwiches.

Thanks Pete'. <hugs>
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Omelet wrote:

> In article .com>,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
>> Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:
>> >
>> > Lamb used to be more popular than beef here, during colonial and
>> > revolutionary times, probably a little later than that. However,
>> > tastes changed, I'm not sure why.
>>
>> It's the mint jelly damnit! People got so caught up in this idea that
>> you have to have mint jelly with lamb, that they never tried
>> wonderful lamb without the horrid mint jelly and as a result didn't
>> find it appealing.
>>
>> That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it...
>
> I'll agree with you on that one! I will not not not add mint jelly to
> lamb! Ever!

But, but, but! Mint *sauce* (homemade, using just picked from the garden
mint) is fine!
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:20:41 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:13:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Never understood why lamb is so expensive in the USA... Must be
>>> thousands of cattle ranchers there - and AFAIAA, if you can raise
>>> cattle you can raise sheep on the same grazing land - because lots of
>>> farmers 'round here raise both... However, lamb/mutton is still a
>>> (little) bit cheaper than beef.
>>
>> I guess you're not familiar with the range wars of the 1800's in the
>> USA.
>>
> OK, did some quick googling... according to Wiki most "Range Wars"
> were "conflict that occurs in agrarian or stockrearing societies.
> Typically fought over water rights or grazing rights to
> unfenced/unowned land."
>
> Anyhoo, that was then and this is now - so what's to stop a present day
> rancher running both cattle and sheep on his/her *own* fenced off land
> (using his/her share of the water in the area)? Happens here, no
> problems. And yes, there is still some 'public' land that the farmers
> share for grazing their stock - and I haven't seen any gun fights over
> it lately...
>
> Therefore, I still don't get it.

well, i don't think 'cattle drives' really exist anymore, which was a
source of conflict between the sheep-raisers and farmers who wanted to
fence their land and the cattlemen who took that as an affront. that's how
i understand it, anyway.

but it certainly wouldn't be the first time that some grand battle had no
rational basis.

your pal,
blake

brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:12:14 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Pete C." > wrote
>>> It mostly sounds good, but I don't let mint anywhere near any lamb I
>>> cook or eat.
>>
>>Mint is the next to last ingredient. Not noticeable at all. Had I
>>not read
>>the label, I would not know it is in there.
>
> I don't like fresh mint in foods, but there is a huge
> difference between dried and fresh.

So I guess SPAM with fresh mint is out too?

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"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
...
> Omelet wrote:
>
>> In article .com>,
>> "Pete C." > wrote:
>>
>>> Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Lamb used to be more popular than beef here, during colonial and
>>> > revolutionary times, probably a little later than that. However,
>>> > tastes changed, I'm not sure why.
>>>
>>> It's the mint jelly damnit! People got so caught up in this idea that
>>> you have to have mint jelly with lamb, that they never tried
>>> wonderful lamb without the horrid mint jelly and as a result didn't
>>> find it appealing.
>>>
>>> That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it...
>>
>> I'll agree with you on that one! I will not not not add mint jelly to
>> lamb! Ever!
>
> But, but, but! Mint *sauce* (homemade, using just picked from the garden
> mint) is fine!
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy

You know, I grow mint and spearmint. I adore the aroma. There are only 2
places that I can tolerate fresh mint leaves. One is to take a couple of
sprigs of mint, twack it against the side of the sink and put it in with the
sun tea to brew. The other is a salad that I have a recipe for. It calls
for a tiny amount of mint and I think some oregano. The herbs add a
'something,' but can't really be tasted. Tabouli just has too much mint.
It's like eating grass. A health food place around here used to make a
tabouli sandwich that I adored, but the mint was minimal.
Janet

Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> You know, I grow mint and spearmint. I adore the aroma. There are only 2
> places that I can tolerate fresh mint leaves. One is to take a couple of
> sprigs of mint, twack it against the side of the sink and put it in with the
> sun tea to brew. The other is a salad that I have a recipe for. It calls
> for a tiny amount of mint and I think some oregano. The herbs add a
> 'something,' but can't really be tasted. Tabouli just has too much mint.
> It's like eating grass. A health food place around here used to make a
> tabouli sandwich that I adored, but the mint was minimal.

It is pretty good added to a yogurt cucumber sauce.

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:57:39 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

> I'm just drinking juice and such. Solid food is pretty much out... Been
> eating some eggs every couple of days, but it hurts to do it.

Are you eating any yogurt?

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:37:34 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:17:55 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:06:37 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:
> >
> >> And commercial shrimp... arg. There are all sorts of quality
> >> problems there, whereas wild-caught shrimp is difficult to come by
> >> not to mention expensive, usually.
> >
> > We both (Om and I) get the same wild caught Gulf shrimp lately for
> > around $5/lb. But the problem is that it sucks. It has a very
> > strong iodine/bleach taste. So even if it's earth friendly and
> > humanely raised <cough>, it's just not worth eating.
> >
> > -sw
>
> see, that makes them *extra* earth-friendly and humane. you're not tempted
> to over-consume them.
>

*Wild caught* shrimp humanely *raised* does not compute.

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:43:39 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

> And no, they don't graze
> the sheep and cattle there all at the same time, together.

So why are you asking why we don't graze them together?

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:26:01 -0700, "Janet Bostwick"
> wrote:

>
>"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
...
>> Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article .com>,
>>> "Pete C." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Lamb used to be more popular than beef here, during colonial and
>>>> > revolutionary times, probably a little later than that. However,
>>>> > tastes changed, I'm not sure why.
>>>>
>>>> It's the mint jelly damnit! People got so caught up in this idea that
>>>> you have to have mint jelly with lamb, that they never tried
>>>> wonderful lamb without the horrid mint jelly and as a result didn't
>>>> find it appealing.
>>>>
>>>> That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it...
>>>
>>> I'll agree with you on that one! I will not not not add mint jelly to
>>> lamb! Ever!
>>
>> But, but, but! Mint *sauce* (homemade, using just picked from the garden
>> mint) is fine!
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chatty Cathy
>
>You know, I grow mint and spearmint. I adore the aroma. There are only 2
>places that I can tolerate fresh mint leaves. One is to take a couple of
>sprigs of mint, twack it against the side of the sink and put it in with the
>sun tea to brew. The other is a salad that I have a recipe for. It calls
>for a tiny amount of mint and I think some oregano. The herbs add a
>'something,' but can't really be tasted. Tabouli just has too much mint.
>It's like eating grass. A health food place around here used to make a
>tabouli sandwich that I adored, but the mint was minimal.
>Janet
>

I have literally tons of mint growing here, on my creek banks and big
patches in my fields. The only thing mint is good for is freshening
my tractor cab when I mow, it deodorizes the smell of diesel. I don't
know how anyone can eat what is clearly meant for terlit deodorizer...
I don't like mint toothpaste or mouthwash either. I buy cinnamon
mouth wash (Lavoris) and fennel toothpaste (Tom's of Maine).

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:52:34 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

> Around here, biggest problem is with longhorns. They are
> gutsy!

That's why they were imported... because they could survive in such
extreme conditions. I don't remember the name of the movie, but there
was one about the "first" herford and how it managed to survive a
horrible winter out west etc etc. I only remember that lone herford
in a sea of long horns.

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:05:19 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> Interesting, I had not connected the range wars with the decline in
> sheep popularity.

Decline? Sure, you can find weirdos like me who have always liked
eating lamb but the majority of Americans had to be talked into
tasting it even 20 years ago.

> I guess I read it more as a fight between ranchers
> and farmers (with our government protecting the ranchers far more). I
> always assumed it had more to do with the government protections and
> subsidies that increased the popularity of beef, because it made it so
> much cheaper to raise and buy beef and so dangerous, legally, to make
> any negative statements about the beef industry.

I guess that's classic textbook white washing of history for ya.
Being able to eat beef, which as you know takes far longer to bring to
the table than the other farm animals, was a sign of wealth. Sure we
wanted a chicken in every pot, but we also wanted beef on the table.

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"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:26:01 -0700, "Janet Bostwick"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
...
>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article .com>,
>>>> "Pete C." > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Lamb used to be more popular than beef here, during colonial and
>>>>> > revolutionary times, probably a little later than that. However,
>>>>> > tastes changed, I'm not sure why.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the mint jelly damnit! People got so caught up in this idea that
>>>>> you have to have mint jelly with lamb, that they never tried
>>>>> wonderful lamb without the horrid mint jelly and as a result didn't
>>>>> find it appealing.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it...
>>>>
>>>> I'll agree with you on that one! I will not not not add mint jelly to
>>>> lamb! Ever!
>>>
>>> But, but, but! Mint *sauce* (homemade, using just picked from the garden
>>> mint) is fine!
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Chatty Cathy
>>
>>You know, I grow mint and spearmint. I adore the aroma. There are only 2
>>places that I can tolerate fresh mint leaves. One is to take a couple of
>>sprigs of mint, twack it against the side of the sink and put it in with
>>the
>>sun tea to brew. The other is a salad that I have a recipe for. It calls
>>for a tiny amount of mint and I think some oregano. The herbs add a
>>'something,' but can't really be tasted. Tabouli just has too much mint.
>>It's like eating grass. A health food place around here used to make a
>>tabouli sandwich that I adored, but the mint was minimal.
>>Janet
>>
>
> I have literally tons of mint growing here, on my creek banks and big
> patches in my fields. The only thing mint is good for is freshening
> my tractor cab when I mow, it deodorizes the smell of diesel. I don't
> know how anyone can eat what is clearly meant for terlit deodorizer...
> I don't like mint toothpaste or mouthwash either. I buy cinnamon
> mouth wash (Lavoris) and fennel toothpaste (Tom's of Maine).
>

I actually planted the mint and spearmint for stream bank soil retention.
Those invasive roots just intertwine and ain't nothin' going to wash that
bank away.
Janet

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:47:42 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

> But, but, but! Mint *sauce* (homemade, using just picked from the garden
> mint) is fine!

Pffft to sauce. I want mint jelly, dammit!

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:42:18 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> Lamb used to be more popular than beef here, during colonial and
> revolutionary times, probably a little later than that.

Up to the 19th century, it wasn't economically feasible for
subsistence farmers to raise cattle. They took too long to get to the
table. That's why chicken and pigs were raised. Farmers ate mainly
chicken (not in the vast quantities of today) and pork/ham was a
treat.

> However, tastes changed, I'm not sure why.

My grandmother used to tell me stories about farm life and her family
was fairly well to do. Sheep must have been raised somewhere for
their wool, but she never mentioned them being on their farm. I have
no idea where they were raised in significant enough numbers to be
slaughtered as lambs for anything other than a special occasion in the
US in the 19th century or before.

I only know my mother hated "mutton", so I'm sure she must have eaten
some old sheep as a kid growing up during the Depression. However,
she was not against lamb and we ate it pretty often for white people.

> Since lamb is not as popular, it doesn't tend to be as available, I think
> that is part of the expense.

Of course.

> In areas with large populations of hispanic and middle eastern people,
> it tends to be more available and less expensive.

I'm glad the lamb dynamic is changing, but I'm not seeing American
lamb come down in price... although imports are more available and
they are tasting more and more like American lamb.

> Also, in farming areas. You can buy a 4-H lamb from a child for fairly little

You couldn't prove that at the Del Mar Fair back when my brother was
in FFA. Kids got way more than their lambs were worth because bidders
knew the money was going into a college fund.

> and have it slaughtered and butchered,

> or talk to a neighbor if you really live in a rural area.
>
There's your best bet.


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In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article .com>,
> > "Pete C." > wrote:
> >
> >> Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Lamb used to be more popular than beef here, during colonial and
> >> > revolutionary times, probably a little later than that. However,
> >> > tastes changed, I'm not sure why.
> >>
> >> It's the mint jelly damnit! People got so caught up in this idea that
> >> you have to have mint jelly with lamb, that they never tried
> >> wonderful lamb without the horrid mint jelly and as a result didn't
> >> find it appealing.
> >>
> >> That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it...
> >
> > I'll agree with you on that one! I will not not not add mint jelly to
> > lamb! Ever!
>
> But, but, but! Mint *sauce* (homemade, using just picked from the garden
> mint) is fine!

Sorry hon', but that concept just does not appeal!
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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:57:39 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > I'm just drinking juice and such. Solid food is pretty much out... Been
> > eating some eggs every couple of days, but it hurts to do it.
>
> Are you eating any yogurt?

No, but that's not a bad idea. Thank you for the suggestion!
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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:52:34 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > Around here, biggest problem is with longhorns. They are
> > gutsy!
>
> That's why they were imported... because they could survive in such
> extreme conditions. I don't remember the name of the movie, but there
> was one about the "first" herford and how it managed to survive a
> horrible winter out west etc etc. I only remember that lone herford
> in a sea of long horns.

Sounds like a fun watch. :-)
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