On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:17:53 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

> I'm not the one with the hernia! I'm having problems with IBS
> due to the stress of being unemployed!

IBS is literally a PITA! I've had it so bad at one time that I felt
like I was going to turn inside out... and yeah, stress does it. That
was my indication that things weren't really as peachy keen as my
brain was telling me.

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:19:42 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

> How high of a fence is needed to keep goats contained?

When clearing the field, she just used a regular fence and they didn't
escape. Their pen fencing was higher... maybe six foot chain link.

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:59:24 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> Now, it's all, be careful, don't put it in the sun, you'll die!

I haven't heard that part either. All I've heard is you don't sun to
make "sun" tea.


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On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:56:35 -0700, "Janet Bostwick"
> wrote:

> It was just easier to say sun tea.

And everyone knows exactly what you're talking about.


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"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:56:35 -0700, "Janet Bostwick"
> > wrote:
>
>> It was just easier to say sun tea.
>
> And everyone knows exactly what you're talking about.
>
>
'zackly,right
Janet

On Mar 12, 10:57*am, sf > wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:59:24 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
>
> > wrote:
> > Now, it's all, be careful, don't put it in the sun, you'll die!
>
> I haven't heard that part either. *All I've heard is you don't sun to
> make "sun" tea.
>
> --
> I love cooking with wine.
> Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Never heard of sun tea being bad. I've been making sun tea for more
years than I care to admit and never had a problem.
oh well....

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:17:53 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not the one with the hernia! I'm having problems with IBS
> > due to the stress of being unemployed!
>
> IBS is literally a PITA! I've had it so bad at one time that I felt
> like I was going to turn inside out... and yeah, stress does it. That
> was my indication that things weren't really as peachy keen as my
> brain was telling me.

It can be insidious.
Right now it's just tearing my stomach up so I don't want to eat
anything.
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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:19:42 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > How high of a fence is needed to keep goats contained?
>
> When clearing the field, she just used a regular fence and they didn't
> escape. Their pen fencing was higher... maybe six foot chain link.

Huh, ok. Was just curious if a 3ft. temporary fence would contain them.
I have grass that needs mowing. <g>
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Omelet wrote:

>>
>>> How high of a fence is needed to keep goats contained?
>> When clearing the field, she just used a regular fence and they didn't
>> escape. Their pen fencing was higher... maybe six foot chain link.
>
> Huh, ok. Was just curious if a 3ft. temporary fence would contain them.
> I have grass that needs mowing. <g>

Goats are notoriously hard to keep contained. They won't be content to
graze on your lawn and keep it neatly manicured. They will go for
flowers and shrubs.



Here are a couple links to videos of goats escaping. In the first one, a
goat climbs a 4 foot hardware wire fence. In the second one, the goat
takes a run to scramble up a wall and jump over a 5 foot fence.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLram2pV7A&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS1ZGLDIX0&NR=1

Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:19:42 -0600, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How high of a fence is needed to keep goats contained?
>> When clearing the field, she just used a regular fence and they didn't
>> escape. Their pen fencing was higher... maybe six foot chain link.
>
> Or, the other test. Build your fence. Get a bucket of water. Throw
> the water at the fence. If there is water on the other side, the goats
> can get through or around or over the fence. :-)


LOL. So true. They are very resourceful when it comes to finding ways to
get loose and wreak havoc outside the perimeter.

In article
>,
Ranee at Arabian Knits > wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:19:42 -0600, Omelet >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > How high of a fence is needed to keep goats contained?
> >
> > When clearing the field, she just used a regular fence and they didn't
> > escape. Their pen fencing was higher... maybe six foot chain link.
>
> Or, the other test. Build your fence. Get a bucket of water. Throw
> the water at the fence. If there is water on the other side, the goats
> can get through or around or over the fence. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Ranee

<lol> My entire yard has 5' and 6' fencing but it's 2" x 4" wire mesh.
I was considering movable sections of 3' fencing for mobile lawn
mowing...
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Dave Smith wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> How high of a fence is needed to keep goats contained?
>>> When clearing the field, she just used a regular fence and they didn't
>>> escape. Their pen fencing was higher... maybe six foot chain link.
>>
>> Huh, ok. Was just curious if a 3ft. temporary fence would contain
>> them. I have grass that needs mowing. <g>
>
> Goats are notoriously hard to keep contained. They won't be content to
> graze on your lawn and keep it neatly manicured. They will go for
> flowers and shrubs.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple links to videos of goats escaping. In the first one, a
> goat climbs a 4 foot hardware wire fence. In the second one, the goat
> takes a run to scramble up a wall and jump over a 5 foot fence.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLram2pV7A&NR=1
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS1ZGLDIX0&NR=1


They also like to climb trees.

This is not my picture.

http://tinyurl.com/ylbpg27

Tracy

Tracy wrote:

>> Goats are notoriously hard to keep contained. They won't be content to
>> graze on your lawn and keep it neatly manicured. They will go for
>> flowers and shrubs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are a couple links to videos of goats escaping. In the first one,
>> a goat climbs a 4 foot hardware wire fence. In the second one, the
>> goat takes a run to scramble up a wall and jump over a 5 foot fence.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLram2pV7A&NR=1
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS1ZGLDIX0&NR=1
>
>
> They also like to climb trees.
>
> This is not my picture.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ylbpg27


Yes indeed. Goats can and do climb. The people who own the farm behind
me had a sort of petting zoo than included some goats. They had a bunch
of old utility poles that they cut into various lengths and stuck into
the ground at various heights and most of the time that the goats were
not busy getting into some other mischief was spent hopping from pole to
pole.

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:45:48 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:59:24 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Now, it's all, be careful, don't put it in the sun, you'll die!
> >
> > I haven't heard that part either. All I've heard is you don't need
> > sun to make "sun" tea.
>
> The reason the sun part went out of fashion is that there is this
> bacteria that supposedly is highly dangerous that can be found in water
> and heating it, but not boiling it permits it to thrive. Real tea
> provides some protection, because of the caffeine. Herbal teas are
> supposed to be more dangerous.
>
> I've never known anyone, or heard of anyone, or heard of anyone's
> cousin, or sister in law's next door neighbor ever, ever, getting sick
> from this.
>
Maybe it has something to do with well water, our city water has never
been a concern as far as I know... or maybe it ran the mommy rumor
mills after my kids were grown enough that I wasn't part of that
pipeline anymore.

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:31:54 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:19:42 -0600, Omelet >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > How high of a fence is needed to keep goats contained?
> >
> > When clearing the field, she just used a regular fence and they didn't
> > escape. Their pen fencing was higher... maybe six foot chain link.
>
> Huh, ok. Was just curious if a 3ft. temporary fence would contain them.
> I have grass that needs mowing. <g>

Are the goats temporary too? I think the people who rent out goat
herds for grass mowing bring their own temporary fencing.

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sf wrote:
>
> They went for $1 live?

Suckling pig is good. Suckling goat should be good. I'm surprised they
part with them for a dollar.

> Are you in the country? Goats are wonderful
> at clearing land and keeping the brush down. When mom needed to clear
> a field for sheep, she'd buy a couple of goats and in a year that
> field was perfect for grazing other than a cactus here and there.

My sister-in-law put some goats on a hill that was covered with wild
blackberry bushes. When they finished clearing the hill she some a
piece of antique farming equipment that had been there longer her house.
They'll trim the bushes to the ground stems and all.

Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:

> Also, if this bacteria is so prevalent in water, then that is the
> problem. If it were as serious as they say, then drinking the water
> we've left outside in the sun would also be dangerous, but there are no
> warnings about that.

It isn't just a concern about the water. According to Mr. Twinings, tea
leaves being naturally grown plants and flowers can harbor a variety of
contaminate that steeping in just boiling water can inhibit.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> >>
> >>> How high of a fence is needed to keep goats contained?
> >> When clearing the field, she just used a regular fence and they didn't
> >> escape. Their pen fencing was higher... maybe six foot chain link.
> >
> > Huh, ok. Was just curious if a 3ft. temporary fence would contain them.
> > I have grass that needs mowing. <g>
>
> Goats are notoriously hard to keep contained. They won't be content to
> graze on your lawn and keep it neatly manicured. They will go for
> flowers and shrubs.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple links to videos of goats escaping. In the first one, a
> goat climbs a 4 foot hardware wire fence. In the second one, the goat
> takes a run to scramble up a wall and jump over a 5 foot fence.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLram2pV7A&NR=1
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS1ZGLDIX0&NR=1

Guess I'll stick with my electric weed eater. <g>
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In article >,
Tracy > wrote:

> > Here are a couple links to videos of goats escaping. In the first one, a
> > goat climbs a 4 foot hardware wire fence. In the second one, the goat
> > takes a run to scramble up a wall and jump over a 5 foot fence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLram2pV7A&NR=1
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS1ZGLDIX0&NR=1
>
>
> They also like to climb trees.
>
> This is not my picture.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ylbpg27
>
> Tracy

Now THAT is amazing!
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In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Tracy wrote:
>
> >> Goats are notoriously hard to keep contained. They won't be content to
> >> graze on your lawn and keep it neatly manicured. They will go for
> >> flowers and shrubs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here are a couple links to videos of goats escaping. In the first one,
> >> a goat climbs a 4 foot hardware wire fence. In the second one, the
> >> goat takes a run to scramble up a wall and jump over a 5 foot fence.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLram2pV7A&NR=1
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS1ZGLDIX0&NR=1
> >
> >
> > They also like to climb trees.
> >
> > This is not my picture.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/ylbpg27
>
>
> Yes indeed. Goats can and do climb. The people who own the farm behind
> me had a sort of petting zoo than included some goats. They had a bunch
> of old utility poles that they cut into various lengths and stuck into
> the ground at various heights and most of the time that the goats were
> not busy getting into some other mischief was spent hopping from pole to
> pole.

I'm sure they did that to keep them busy!
I have to wonder if most domestic goats evolved from mountain goats?

Somewhere there are videos of Eagles taking out mountain goats by
smacking them off the cliffs so they could eat them when the falls
killed them. I think it was in the Andes iirc, but I'm not sure...
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In article >,
Janet Baraclough > wrote:

> The message >
> from Omelet > contains these words:
>
> > In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:19:42 -0600, Omelet >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > How high of a fence is needed to keep goats contained?
> > >
> > > When clearing the field, she just used a regular fence and they didn't
> > > escape. Their pen fencing was higher... maybe six foot chain link.
>
> > Huh, ok. Was just curious if a 3ft. temporary fence would contain them.
>
> Unlikely. Goats are terrific climbers/scramblers ; I've seen them up
> trees and on the roof of their shed.
>
> > I have grass that needs mowing. <g>
>
> Goats aren't very good at that; they are browsers not grazers. IOW
> they prefer chewing leaves twigs and bark
> to nibbling grass. Sheep would be better (and easier to fence)
>
> Janet

But sheep REALLY really stink!
I think I'll just use my electric weed eater. :-)
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sf > wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:31:54 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:19:42 -0600, Omelet >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > How high of a fence is needed to keep goats contained?
> > >
> > > When clearing the field, she just used a regular fence and they didn't
> > > escape. Their pen fencing was higher... maybe six foot chain link.
> >
> > Huh, ok. Was just curious if a 3ft. temporary fence would contain them.
> > I have grass that needs mowing. <g>
>
> Are the goats temporary too? I think the people who rent out goat
> herds for grass mowing bring their own temporary fencing.

Well, I had planned on eating them eventually. ;-)

I used to raise goats and don't really want to do that at this time. We
milked them twice per day. I had a nubian and a saanen doe and they
never escaped from their pens with 4' fencing. It's just been so many
years, I've forgotten some of the details that I learned keeping them.

I take that back. The saanen escaped one day, went next door and ate all
my neighbors pot plants. He was very annoyed and the goat was mellow for
a couple of days. <g> This was back in the early 70's...
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:54:35 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

> I used to raise goats and don't really want to do that at this time. We
> milked them twice per day. I had a nubian and a saanen doe and they
> never escaped from their pens with 4' fencing. It's just been so many
> years, I've forgotten some of the details that I learned keeping them.

Mom used Nubian wethers and they were perfectly content in a field of
an acre or two. I have no idea how they would act in a small, fenced
yard.

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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:54:35 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > I used to raise goats and don't really want to do that at this time. We
> > milked them twice per day. I had a nubian and a saanen doe and they
> > never escaped from their pens with 4' fencing. It's just been so many
> > years, I've forgotten some of the details that I learned keeping them.
>
> Mom used Nubian wethers and they were perfectly content in a field of
> an acre or two. I have no idea how they would act in a small, fenced
> yard.

I think that is the problem. They need room to wander! I have almost
1/4 acre, but part of that houses my emu. She seems to be happy enough.
The rest is currently patrolled by the dogs. My yard is fully fenced.
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>,
Ranée at Arabian Knits > wrote:

> > It isn't just a concern about the water. According to Mr. Twinings, tea
> > leaves being naturally grown plants and flowers can harbor a variety of
> > contaminate that steeping in just boiling water can inhibit.
>
> I believe that. However, the risk is considered higher with fresh
> herbs, and the risk is stated in terms of a bacteria commonly found in
> water. This implies that the problem is more with water than the tea.
> Either way, it seems to be far overblown than reality bears out. What
> can I say? I eat cookie dough with raw eggs, drink raw milk and can my
> own food, too. I'm a woman living on the edge.
>
> Regards,

Lol. And I occasionally indulge in steak tartar dipped in a mix of raw
egg yolk and soy sauce! I have had Salmonella exactly once, when I ate
a "suspect" raw egg from our own hens.

I just need to follow my own food safety rules. "If in doubt, throw it
out!". It really is that simple...
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In article >,
"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > wrote:

> And imo, beans are better if NOT presoaked for any length of time. And
> by "better" i mean they seem to be less productive of an intestinal
> reaction of an undesirable nature, flatulence.

See, I've experienced just the opposite. When I prepare dried beans, I
soak them until they sprout with frequent water changes and rinses. I
don't ever get any flatulence from them that way!

If you really have problems with that issue, you can always try one of
these:

<http://tinyurl.com/ykbmknz>

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In article >,
"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > wrote:

> I have heard both sides of the argument but i opt for non soaking and
> skimming the beans, not only less gas but less time, i can make a pot of
> beans in an hour.
>
> Does anybody else cook their beans in an extra large amount of water,
> drain off half the water from the cooked beans, reduce it, season it
> and use it as a stock?
>
> I find it a durable flavor that keeps well for a few days. I will
> often add powdered remains of dried mushrooms to it.
>
> --
>
> Mr. Joseph Paul Littleshoes Esq.

I had not thought of that. When I go to cook them, I use the usual 2 to
1 ratio of liquid to beans.

Hmmmmmmm....

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Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message >
> from Omelet > contains these words:

>
>> I have grass that needs mowing. <g>
>
> Goats aren't very good at that; they are browsers not grazers. IOW
> they prefer chewing leaves twigs and bark
> to nibbling grass. Sheep would be better (and easier to fence)
>
>



For the past few summers the state of Colorado has been "leasing"
goats from local growers to be set loose where non-native weeds
are a problem (in western slope riverbeds, commonly.)

They seem to do a good enough job eating the bad stuff.

gloria p

> In article >,
> Tracy > wrote:

>>
>> This is not my picture.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ylbpg27
>>
>> Tracy
>



We saw that photo/poster all over in Morocco. The goats
climb the argan trees to eat the fruit or seeds. These
days processing argan nuts into an oil/condiment for cooking
or cosmetics has become a profitable industry for the women
there. The oil has an interesting smoky flavor.

gloria p

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:04:25 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>
>> You know, I grow mint and spearmint. I adore the aroma. There are only 2
>> places that I can tolerate fresh mint leaves. One is to take a couple of
>> sprigs of mint, twack it against the side of the sink and put it in with the
>> sun tea to brew. The other is a salad that I have a recipe for. It calls
>> for a tiny amount of mint and I think some oregano. The herbs add a
>> 'something,' but can't really be tasted. Tabouli just has too much mint.
>> It's like eating grass. A health food place around here used to make a
>> tabouli sandwich that I adored, but the mint was minimal.
>
> It is pretty good added to a yogurt cucumber sauce.

i was just thinking that. also with yogurt in a marinade for chicken.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:31:18 GMT, PLucas wrote:

> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in
> news >
>>
>> "PLucas" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Omelet > wrote in
>>> news
>>
>> snip
>>>>
>>>> I'll survive. I always do. <g> I hope you are doing well!
>>
>>> What doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.
>>
>>> Peter Lucas
>>> Brisbane
>>> Australia
>> No it doesn't. Going without nourishment for weeks on end, destroys
>> muscle, heart and brain tissue.
>
> Yep, that too.
>
> But if it doesn't kill you, it'll only make you stronger.
>
> (Think outside the square, Grasshopper.)

even for neitzsche, this is one of the stupidest quotes ever:

In 1898 and 1899 Nietzsche suffered at least two strokes which partially
paralysed him and left him unable to speak or walk. After contracting
pneumonia in mid-August 1900 he had another stroke during the night of
August 24 / August 25, and died about noon on August 25.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche>

so, these non-fatal strokes no doubt made him stronger, you betcha.

but stupid people quote stupid things.

blake

In article >,
"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > wrote:

> If you are going for the black mushrooms from a Chinese grocery store
> source there will be lots, they buy them in 100 pound boxes.
>
> But if your like me and happen to have been patronizing the same Italian
> deli for the last 10 years you just might find they will set aside a few
> ounces for you, and in my case they give me a very good price on the
> leftover mushroom powder.
>
> If you have a mortar and pestle that will work for making your own
> powdered mushrooms from the dried, costly they can be though.

I purchase dried shitakes from the asian market for $7.00 per lb. I
consider that to be a great deal. :-) I have made shitake powder and it
is indeed good stuff. I remove the stems and toss them into the freezer
for stock then break up the caps into small pieces. Those then get
powdered in the blender.

I've not found dried porcinis. Just frozen or fresh. The fresh run about
$40.00 per lb. nowadays.
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Omelet wrote:

> I've not found dried porcinis. Just frozen or fresh. The fresh run about
> $40.00 per lb. nowadays.

I get dried for around $20 a pound here, but that works out to less than
a dollar any time I get them, because a little goes a lonnnnng way.

Serene

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On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:07:14 -0800, Serene Vannoy
> wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > I've not found dried porcinis. Just frozen or fresh. The fresh run about
> > $40.00 per lb. nowadays.
>
> I get dried for around $20 a pound here, but that works out to less than
> a dollar any time I get them, because a little goes a lonnnnng way.
>
Where are you buying dried porcini for $20 lb?


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Omelet wrote:
>
> "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." wrote:
>
>
>>If you are going for the black mushrooms from a Chinese grocery store
>>source there will be lots, they buy them in 100 pound boxes.
>>
>>But if your like me and happen to have been patronizing the same Italian
>>deli for the last 10 years you just might find they will set aside a few
>>ounces for you, and in my case they give me a very good price on the
>>leftover mushroom powder.
>>
>>If you have a mortar and pestle that will work for making your own
>>powdered mushrooms from the dried, costly they can be though.
>
>
> I purchase dried shitakes from the asian market for $7.00 per lb.

That's a better price than my local Italian deli, which iirc sells them
for around $12.00 per pound. Fresh are less expensive around 3 - 4
dollars a pound. I have never really looked for porcinis or shitakes in
China town but now that you mention it!

I usually have to go to a fancy, upscale shopping area to get them
fresh. There is an area in the Berkeley Oakland area called "Rockridge"
and they have a lot of little gourmet and boutique type grocery stores.

There is one upscale "Super Market" called Andronicos that is just way
too pricey for me to even contemplate shopping at ($5.00 per pound
Broccoli, NOT organic either!) and, and as good and extensive as their
products are, they are not as extensive as the independent shops carry.

I buy my herbs and spices at a shop that specializes in it. And now
that i have found out the price for 10lbs of Peete's coffee beans i
intend to purchase a coffee grinder and buy a sack of Pete's beans in
the new store that just opened up a few blocks from where i live

Previously i would have to treck half way across the bay to get a bag of
Pete's coffee.

I keep meaning to go out to lake merrit to the Jewish Kosher Deli, and
get some veal but ..... while i rather like the nouveau riche Rockridge
neighborhood with all its yuppified and gentrified boutique and gourmet
food stores, organics and exotics i don't really care for the older more
sedate, establishment, conservative, Lake Merrit area. Lots of older,
middle-aged women in hats and gloves and pearls sort of thing, while the
Rockridge area is much closer to the Berkeley campus and celebrates a
younger, more radical diversity of tastes and cultures.

When i go to the Lake Merrit shopping area i like to put on a nice
conservative suit and wear one of my tie dyed ties Bring a bit of
Berkeley to Lake Merrit

A favorite hip hop or "rap" song i like, made and sung about my local
area has a lyric in it that goes....

"Got a block full of hippies where ever i go"

> I
> consider that to be a great deal. :-) I have made shitake powder and it
> is indeed good stuff. I remove the stems and toss them into the freezer
> for stock then break up the caps into small pieces. Those then get
> powdered in the blender.
>
> I've not found dried porcinis. Just frozen or fresh. The fresh run about
> $40.00 per lb. nowadays.

Dried chantrells are $15.00 per ounce. I have seen fresh any where from
$20 - $100 per per pound.

Last spring the local Italian deli offered Italian white Truffles for
only $3,000. per pound!

I chuckled to myself about that and thought "yeah ...right! ... that's
just gonna fly right off the shelf!" i thought, sarcastically, to my self.

I went in a couple of days later intending only to poke a bit of fun at
the staff by inquiring about ounce prices ($187 per ounce?) of the white
truffle only to be told they were sold out!!!

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In article >,
Serene Vannoy > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > I've not found dried porcinis. Just frozen or fresh. The fresh run about
> > $40.00 per lb. nowadays.
>
> I get dried for around $20 a pound here, but that works out to less than
> a dollar any time I get them, because a little goes a lonnnnng way.
>
> Serene

Indeed! Wet to dry weight ratio is roughly 10 to 1 for most mushrooms,
so 1 lb. of dry = 10 lbs. of wet.
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In article >,
"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > wrote:

> > I purchase dried shitakes from the asian market for $7.00 per lb.
>
> That's a better price than my local Italian deli, which iirc sells them
> for around $12.00 per pound. Fresh are less expensive around 3 - 4
> dollars a pound. I have never really looked for porcinis or shitakes in
> China town but now that you mention it!

But see my previous post. 1 lb. of dry = 10 lbs. of wet, so that's a
better deal. :-)

>
> I usually have to go to a fancy, upscale shopping area to get them
> fresh. There is an area in the Berkeley Oakland area called "Rockridge"
> and they have a lot of little gourmet and boutique type grocery stores.

I am lucky. Our local grocery store chain (HEB) sells fresh shitakes but
for $7.00 per lb.
>
> There is one upscale "Super Market" called Andronicos that is just way
> too pricey for me to even contemplate shopping at ($5.00 per pound
> Broccoli, NOT organic either!) and, and as good and extensive as their
> products are, they are not as extensive as the independent shops carry.

Oy!
>
> I buy my herbs and spices at a shop that specializes in it. And now
> that i have found out the price for 10lbs of Peete's coffee beans i
> intend to purchase a coffee grinder and buy a sack of Pete's beans in
> the new store that just opened up a few blocks from where i live

Sounds good. I get fresh herbs sometimes from Central Market in Austin.
They are too pricey here, but we do have an _excellent_ bulk dried spice
section.

>
> Previously i would have to treck half way across the bay to get a bag of
> Pete's coffee.
>
> I keep meaning to go out to lake merrit to the Jewish Kosher Deli, and
> get some veal but ..... while i rather like the nouveau riche Rockridge
> neighborhood with all its yuppified and gentrified boutique and gourmet
> food stores, organics and exotics i don't really care for the older more
> sedate, establishment, conservative, Lake Merrit area. Lots of older,
> middle-aged women in hats and gloves and pearls sort of thing, while the
> Rockridge area is much closer to the Berkeley campus and celebrates a
> younger, more radical diversity of tastes and cultures.

Sounds Bohemian. <g>
>
> When i go to the Lake Merrit shopping area i like to put on a nice
> conservative suit and wear one of my tie dyed ties Bring a bit of
> Berkeley to Lake Merrit
>
> A favorite hip hop or "rap" song i like, made and sung about my local
> area has a lyric in it that goes....
>
> "Got a block full of hippies where ever i go"

<lol>
>
> > I
> > consider that to be a great deal. :-) I have made shitake powder and it
> > is indeed good stuff. I remove the stems and toss them into the freezer
> > for stock then break up the caps into small pieces. Those then get
> > powdered in the blender.
> >
> > I've not found dried porcinis. Just frozen or fresh. The fresh run about
> > $40.00 per lb. nowadays.
>
> Dried chantrells are $15.00 per ounce. I have seen fresh any where from
> $20 - $100 per per pound.

I don't think they are cultivated so wild mushrooms will always be more
expensive. I could be wrong tho'. Same same for Maitake. But, I still
periodically consider purchasing mushroom patches for $35.00 each from
fungiperfecti.com It's not hard to dry your own.
>
> Last spring the local Italian deli offered Italian white Truffles for
> only $3,000. per pound!

Wow.
>
> I chuckled to myself about that and thought "yeah ...right! ... that's
> just gonna fly right off the shelf!" i thought, sarcastically, to my self.
>
> I went in a couple of days later intending only to poke a bit of fun at
> the staff by inquiring about ounce prices ($187 per ounce?) of the white
> truffle only to be told they were sold out!!!
>

Some people have money to burn. <sigh>
> --
>
> Mr. Joseph Paul Littleshoes Esq.
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"gloria.p" wrote:
>
> Janet Baraclough wrote:
> > The message >
> > from Omelet > contains these words:
>
> >
> >> I have grass that needs mowing. <g>
> >
> > Goats aren't very good at that; they are browsers not grazers. IOW
> > they prefer chewing leaves twigs and bark
> > to nibbling grass. Sheep would be better (and easier to fence)
> >
> >
>
> For the past few summers the state of Colorado has been "leasing"
> goats from local growers to be set loose where non-native weeds
> are a problem (in western slope riverbeds, commonly.)
>
> They seem to do a good enough job eating the bad stuff.
>
> gloria p

That's done locally here as well. Particularly in the bosque down by the
river. One enterprising soul has a flock of goats and rents them out to
the city for just that purpose.

The prison system 'rents' out low-risk offenders to cut down/pull up the
plants the goats can't manage.

In article >,
"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
....

> > I purchase dried shitakes from the asian market for $7.00 per lb.
>
> That's a better price than my local Italian deli, which iirc sells them
> for around $12.00 per pound. Fresh are less expensive around 3 - 4
> dollars a pound. I have never really looked for porcinis or shitakes in
> China town but now that you mention it!

Remember that the price for fresh includes a substantial amount for
water. :-) I love morels[*], and when I see really good fresh ones at
Market Hall or Berkeley Bowl, I'll spring for them -- but often as
not they aren't really appealing for the price, whereas dried morels
from Oregon are often spectacularly good.

Same for shitakes -- really good fresh ones are great, but most that
I see are less appealing than the good packages of dried 'shrooms from
Chinatown.

You mention Rockridge fondly, and that is my own stalking ground, but
I think the Chinese/VietNamese shops down in your neck of the woods
have some fabulous stuff (and generally much less pricey...)
-[*] and, given the prices in the last few years, I have finally
stopped even thinking about black truffles...; that used to be a
guilty and expensive indulgence around Christmastime. Sigh. Gone the
way of good Caspian osetra.

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:56:47 -0800, Michael Siemon
> wrote:

> You mention Rockridge fondly, and that is my own stalking ground, but
> I think the Chinese/VietNamese shops down in your neck of the woods
> have some fabulous stuff (and generally much less pricey...)

So, where are those $20 a pound dried porcini (that Serene talked
about) sold?

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