On Mar 23, 8:54*am, Krypsis > wrote:

> You have been doing exactly what you need to do for good BP health. Most
> people get their salt excess from prepackaged food. Since you cook from
> scratch, I would expect you to have a normal BP. Salt added during
> cooking and at the table accounts for only about 15% of the excess that
> people consume these days.
>
> Krypsis-


****** The only excess you are guilty of Krypto is the excess of
bullshite you put out on the internet.

55 years with your snout in the public purse has made a sad whinging
old fool of you.

But you already know that eh?

Your pal

Larby

On 3/22/2010 4:16 PM, Krypsis wrote:
> On 23/03/2010 3:02 AM, Dan Abel wrote:
>> In article
>> >,
>> Cindy > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 21, 12:30 am, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ingesting excess salt will make you sick. It will progressively
>>>> increase
>>>> your BP over time.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, mine has shot right up to 120/70 at age 53.
>>>
>>> You're full of it.
>>
>> Or, more charitably, we could say that perhaps Krypsis has it backwards.
>> When you go to the doctor and are diagnosed with high blood pressure,
>> the first thing the doctor might advise is to restrict sodium
>> consumption. If that works, well, how easy was that? Blood pressure
>> medicines are prescription. That's because there is some risk.
>> Reducing sodium has almost no risk. It is recommended that normal
>> people keep sodium down to 2000mg a day. I can't speak for the doctors,
>> but I've heard 1500 or 1000 for restrictions. Your body needs 10.
>> That's a *lot* of wiggle room.
>>
>
> Two points I could make here.
>
> Unless you are prepared to do as Nathalie does and cook only fresh foods
> and also restrict prepackaged foods to those labelled "low salt", you
> will find it incredibly difficult to get to the level of salt
> consumption that the doctor advises.
>
> What is wrong with "prevention"??? Why not maintain a healthy diet and
> restrict salt BEFORE the need arises. Note that most of the damage done
> by an excess of salt occurs in childhood and the teen years. It only
> begins to manifest itself once you reach ~60.

Please tell us of a source in the peer-reviewed medical literature that
states that reducing salt in childhood prevents any medical condition.

On Mar 11, 4:00*pm, Damaeus > wrote:
>
>
> fascism
>
> * * *1. [F-] the doctrines, methods, or movement of the
> * * * * Fascisti
>
> * * *2. [sometimes F-] a system of government characterized
> * * * * by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible
> * * * * suppression of opposition, private economic
> * * * * enterprise under centralized governmental control,
> * * * * belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism,
> * * * * etc.
>
Sounds like the Republicans.
>
> Damaeus

--Bryan

Krypsis wrote:

> Two points I could make here.
>
> Unless you are prepared to do as Nathalie does and cook only fresh foods
> and also restrict prepackaged foods to those labelled "low salt", you
> will find it incredibly difficult to get to the level of salt
> consumption that the doctor advises.
>
> What is wrong with "prevention"??? Why not maintain a healthy diet and
> restrict salt BEFORE the need arises. Note that most of the damage done
> by an excess of salt occurs in childhood and the teen years. It only
> begins to manifest itself once you reach ~60.
>
> Krypsis

huh? you got a citation for that claim.

Just some small points- Salt intake doesn't bother everyone. Nor is all
high BP caused by or affected by salt. Salt makes the body retain fluid
("water follows salt" is the rule of thumb here) which gets complicated
as older bodies age and develop cardiac and other problems. Because
people are living longer than ever before, we also see more than in the
past too. Perhaps there is an element that the fittest survived, but
they're living long enough to develop these problems. Perhaps Krypsis
just comes from good genes and has lucked out, and it has nothing to do
with the vitamins he takes and salt-less life as he thinks it does? No
one knows....?

In news:rec.food.cooking, Food Snob+AK4- > posted on
Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:52:26 -0700 (PDT) the following:

> On Mar 11, 4:00+AKA-pm, Damaeus > wrote:
>
> > fascism
> >
> > +AKA- +AKA- +AKA-1. [F-] the doctrines, methods, or movement of the
> > +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- Fascisti
> >
> > +AKA- +AKA- +AKA-2. [sometimes F-] a system of government characterized
> > +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible
> > +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- suppression of opposition, private economic
> > +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- enterprise under centralized governmental control,
> > +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism,
> > +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- +AKA- etc.
>
> Sounds like the Republicans.

Sounds like the Democrats, too. No matter which side you vote for, the
end result is the same. The only thing that changes is the method of
getting there.

Damaeus

In news:rec.food.cooking, "J. Clarke" > posted on
Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:01:29 -0400 the following:

> In any case salt caught up with Gene Scott--he died of a stroke in 2005.

I never watched him regularly. I just knew him as the guy who seemed to
have his own channel on, I think it was, Westar 5 if you had one of the
big dishes of the 80s. I heard he did some pretty funny things I would
have liked to see, but most of the time when I checked his channel, he was
sitting on his recliner, reading a book, looking like he was nearly
asleep, and making me feel like going to sleep, too. There's some of his
stuff on YouTube.

> (Well, since you hate salt you can believe that if you want to, but most
> people think that the metastatic cancer that he had been battling for
> five years was more of a contributing factor than salt).

Agreed. If salt was so deadly, it would be killing people far before they
get to be as old as Gene was. He looked like crap in the 80s. I'm
surprised he lived until 2005.

Damaeus
--
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
-Harry Anslinger (1929), Federal Bureau of Narcotics

In article >,
"J. Clarke" > wrote:

> On 3/24/2010 9:34 AM, Krypsis wrote:

> > Many factors can lead to a stroke. High blood pressure is however the
> > most common.
>
> I figured you would say that. I guess that it's a relatively harmless
> fixation as long as you don't try to impose it on others.

I figured he'd say that also. I don't have a problem with it, either,
since it's true:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/str...ION=prevention

"One of the most important things you can do to reduce your stroke risk
is to keep your blood pressure under control. "

I think where people are having a problem with Krypsis, is in the
insistence that sodium is the root of all evil. The cite above lists a
whole lot of ways of controlling blood pressure, one of which is
restricting sodium. Then the cite lists a whole lot of other factors,
besides blood pressure, to consider in preventing strokes.

Still, restricting sodium isn't a difficult thing to do, and the risk is
pretty darned low. I'd call it negligible, in fact.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 3/24/2010 4:26 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In >,
> "J. > wrote:
>
>> On 3/24/2010 9:34 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>
>>> Many factors can lead to a stroke. High blood pressure is however the
>>> most common.
>>
>> I figured you would say that. I guess that it's a relatively harmless
>> fixation as long as you don't try to impose it on others.
>
> I figured he'd say that also. I don't have a problem with it, either,
> since it's true:
>
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/str...ION=prevention
>
> "One of the most important things you can do to reduce your stroke risk
> is to keep your blood pressure under control. "

And so you're saying that Gene Scott would still be alive after ten
years with metastic cancer if he had cut out the salt?

> I think where people are having a problem with Krypsis, is in the
> insistence that sodium is the root of all evil. The cite above lists a
> whole lot of ways of controlling blood pressure, one of which is
> restricting sodium. Then the cite lists a whole lot of other factors,
> besides blood pressure, to consider in preventing strokes.
>
> Still, restricting sodium isn't a difficult thing to do, and the risk is
> pretty darned low. I'd call it negligible, in fact.
>

In article >,
"J. Clarke" > wrote:

> On 3/24/2010 4:26 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> > In >,
> > "J. > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/24/2010 9:34 AM, Krypsis wrote:
> >
> >>> Many factors can lead to a stroke. High blood pressure is however the
> >>> most common.
> >>
> >> I figured you would say that. I guess that it's a relatively harmless
> >> fixation as long as you don't try to impose it on others.
> >
> > I figured he'd say that also. I don't have a problem with it, either,
> > since it's true:
> >
> > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/str...ION=prevention
> >
> > "One of the most important things you can do to reduce your stroke risk
> > is to keep your blood pressure under control. "
>
> And so you're saying that Gene Scott would still be alive after ten
> years with metastic cancer if he had cut out the salt?

Are you talking to me? If so, see below.

> > I think where people are having a problem with Krypsis, is in the
> > insistence that sodium is the root of all evil. The cite above lists a
> > whole lot of ways of controlling blood pressure, one of which is
> > restricting sodium. Then the cite lists a whole lot of other factors,
> > besides blood pressure, to consider in preventing strokes.
> >
> > Still, restricting sodium isn't a difficult thing to do, and the risk is
> > pretty darned low. I'd call it negligible, in fact.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz compounded his lies with more lies:

>>> I still limit my pc use to less than three hours a day and not every
>>> day.
>>
>> Let's just check the truth of that over the past couple days:
<snip irrefutable proof that Pussy lied>
>> Now that "three hours a day" has been shown as a lie, let's look at that
>> "not every day" claim:
>>
>> Between February 1 and today, there has been NO DAY AT ALL when Pussy
>> didn't post at least twice.
>>
>>So once again, Pussy has been shown to be a complete lying scumbag.
>
> What a moroon... only a NEWBIE would think that a PC is logged on from
> first post to last, or that just because a PC is logged on 24/7 that
> the user is sitting there all that time

Right, liar. Nobody here is buying your bullshit; only a newbie like you
would even *try* to bullshit the way you are.

Bob

On 23/03/2010 4:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Mar 22, 10:52 am, > wrote:
>
> Dude, I weigh 260 pounds and never exercise. 120/70 is excellent.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Hope you're about 6'4" at that weight. If you're my height, 5'8", and
carrying that amount of weight around, you'll be in for a few problems
when you get to my age of 71. Probably none of them will be related to
salt but quite a few will be related to common physics.
If you're much shorter than 5'8", then getting to my age won't be an issue.

Krypsis

On 25/03/2010 2:25 AM, James Silverton wrote:
> Krypsis wrote on Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:52:30 +1100:
>
<snip>
>
> You have a trusting faith in the accuracy and even precision of a blood
> pressure reading. You've got to measure them over a stretch of time to
> be sure. For good reason, I measure mine once a day, and over the last
> 12 days, the average has been 118/66, the range 104:130/59:77 and the
> standard deviations (for the statistically inclined) 9 and 7.
>
> --
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
I have my blood pressure tested every 6 months when I have my full check
up. I used to visit the doctor annually up until a couple of years ago
but, when I retired, thought it best to bump it up to twice a year. If
visiting the doctor for any other reason, he always brings out the BP
testing gear and has a look. Only once has it ever been up above my
normal range and that was on account of a particularly harrowing week at
work. That, I might add, was when I thought it prudent to drop from full
time at work to a day or two a week as a consultant.

Krypsis

On 23/03/2010 9:51 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

>snip>

>>>
>>
>> Two points I could make here.
>>
>> Unless you are prepared to do as Nathalie does and cook only fresh foods
>> and also restrict prepackaged foods to those labelled "low salt", you
>> will find it incredibly difficult to get to the level of salt
>> consumption that the doctor advises.
>>
>> What is wrong with "prevention"??? Why not maintain a healthy diet and
>> restrict salt BEFORE the need arises. Note that most of the damage done
>> by an excess of salt occurs in childhood and the teen years. It only
>> begins to manifest itself once you reach ~60.
>
> Please tell us of a source in the peer-reviewed medical literature that
> states that reducing salt in childhood prevents any medical condition.

Ask yourself why most, if not all, doctors recommend a low salt diet for
children.


One of my sources is;

http://www.saltmatters.org/site/

The person I use as an inspiration is Dr T C Beard. He has written a
book on the subject of which I have a copy here somewhere. Dr. Beard
developed hypertension when he reached the age of 60 and decided to find
out why, especially since both his parents died of strokes. He is now 89
and still conducting part time research into the effects of excess salt
(sodium) on people.

http://www.saltmatters.org/site/inde...age=the-author


As for peer review, at least with respect to his book entitled "Salt,
The Killer Condiment", here is the Editorial Board;


http://www.saltmatters.org/site/inde...ditorial-board

If you browse through the website, I feel sure you will find sufficient
references liberally interspersed throughout.


I met Dr. Beard some years back at a conference and can only say I would
like to be as fit and healthy as he when I am his age.



Krypsis

On 23/03/2010 9:54 AM, Goomba wrote:
> Krypsis wrote:
>
>> Two points I could make here.
>>
>> Unless you are prepared to do as Nathalie does and cook only fresh
>> foods and also restrict prepackaged foods to those labelled "low
>> salt", you will find it incredibly difficult to get to the level of
>> salt consumption that the doctor advises.
>>
>> What is wrong with "prevention"??? Why not maintain a healthy diet and
>> restrict salt BEFORE the need arises. Note that most of the damage
>> done by an excess of salt occurs in childhood and the teen years. It
>> only begins to manifest itself once you reach ~60.
>>
>> Krypsis
>
> huh? you got a citation for that claim.
>

Start with this one;

http://www.saltmatters.org/site/

> Just some small points- Salt intake doesn't bother everyone. Nor is all
> high BP caused by or affected by salt. Salt makes the body retain fluid
> ("water follows salt" is the rule of thumb here) which gets complicated
> as older bodies age and develop cardiac and other problems. Because
> people are living longer than ever before, we also see more than in the
> past too. Perhaps there is an element that the fittest survived, but
> they're living long enough to develop these problems. Perhaps Krypsis
> just comes from good genes and has lucked out, and it has nothing to do
> with the vitamins he takes and salt-less life as he thinks it does? No
> one knows....?

Browse through the website for which I supplied the URL above and see if
that doesn't alter your thinking even a little.

My parents and grandparents all suffered from hypertension and all my
siblings suffer similarly to the point of requiring constant medication.
I am the only one thus far with no hypertension issues and I will do my
damnedest to ensure my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren
do not suffer from hypertension in their lives.

Krypsis

On 13/03/2010 10:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> "J. > wrote:
>
>> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
>> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
>> the index under "salt", read all the entries.
>>
>> There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will kill you
>> deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw air next.
>
> H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!

Only when consumed in excess!

Krypsis

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:24:50 +1100, Krypsis >
wrote:

>On 23/03/2010 9:54 AM, Goomba wrote:
>> Krypsis wrote:
>>
>>> Two points I could make here.
>>>
>>> Unless you are prepared to do as Nathalie does and cook only fresh
>>> foods and also restrict prepackaged foods to those labelled "low
>>> salt", you will find it incredibly difficult to get to the level of
>>> salt consumption that the doctor advises.
>>>
>>> What is wrong with "prevention"??? Why not maintain a healthy diet and
>>> restrict salt BEFORE the need arises. Note that most of the damage
>>> done by an excess of salt occurs in childhood and the teen years. It
>>> only begins to manifest itself once you reach ~60.
>>>
>>> Krypsis
>>
>> huh? you got a citation for that claim.
>>
>
>Start with this one;
>
>http://www.saltmatters.org/site/
>
>> Just some small points- Salt intake doesn't bother everyone. Nor is all
>> high BP caused by or affected by salt. Salt makes the body retain fluid
>> ("water follows salt" is the rule of thumb here) which gets complicated
>> as older bodies age and develop cardiac and other problems. Because
>> people are living longer than ever before, we also see more than in the
>> past too. Perhaps there is an element that the fittest survived, but
>> they're living long enough to develop these problems. Perhaps Krypsis
>> just comes from good genes and has lucked out, and it has nothing to do
>> with the vitamins he takes and salt-less life as he thinks it does? No
>> one knows....?
>
>Browse through the website for which I supplied the URL above and see if
>that doesn't alter your thinking even a little.
>
>My parents and grandparents all suffered from hypertension and all my
>siblings suffer similarly to the point of requiring constant medication.
>I am the only one thus far with no hypertension issues and I will do my
>damnedest to ensure my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren
>do not suffer from hypertension in their lives.

Then it's obviously genetic... by your own words you are admitting
your family has a predisposition to hypertension. Most hypertension
is due to genetics and has not a whit to do with ingesting salt or
not. In fact hypertension is more prevalent in the black race, are
you negro?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12205536

On 3/26/2010 11:17 AM, Krypsis wrote:
> On 23/03/2010 9:51 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> snip>
>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Two points I could make here.
>>>
>>> Unless you are prepared to do as Nathalie does and cook only fresh foods
>>> and also restrict prepackaged foods to those labelled "low salt", you
>>> will find it incredibly difficult to get to the level of salt
>>> consumption that the doctor advises.
>>>
>>> What is wrong with "prevention"??? Why not maintain a healthy diet and
>>> restrict salt BEFORE the need arises. Note that most of the damage done
>>> by an excess of salt occurs in childhood and the teen years. It only
>>> begins to manifest itself once you reach ~60.
>>
>> Please tell us of a source in the peer-reviewed medical literature that
>> states that reducing salt in childhood prevents any medical condition.
>
> Ask yourself why most, if not all, doctors recommend a low salt diet for
> children.

Do you have a reliable source for the statement that most doctors do this?

> One of my sources is;
>
> http://www.saltmatters.org/site/
>
> The person I use as an inspiration is Dr T C Beard. He has written a
> book on the subject of which I have a copy here somewhere. Dr. Beard
> developed hypertension when he reached the age of 60 and decided to find
> out why, especially since both his parents died of strokes. He is now 89
> and still conducting part time research into the effects of excess salt
> (sodium) on people.

Well that's nice, but what research does he cite?

> http://www.saltmatters.org/site/inde...age=the-author

Not peer-reviewed, and doesn't quote any clinical trials. Uses
anecdotal evidence. Not reliable.

> As for peer review, at least with respect to his book entitled "Salt,
> The Killer Condiment", here is the Editorial Board;
>
>
> http://www.saltmatters.org/site/inde...ditorial-board

An "editorial board" is not peer review.

> If you browse through the website, I feel sure you will find sufficient
> references liberally interspersed throughout.

Nope, not really.

> I met Dr. Beard some years back at a conference and can only say I would
> like to be as fit and healthy as he when I am his age.

Then get over your salt fixation and start working out.

On 3/26/2010 11:24 AM, Krypsis wrote:
> On 23/03/2010 9:54 AM, Goomba wrote:
>> Krypsis wrote:
>>
>>> Two points I could make here.
>>>
>>> Unless you are prepared to do as Nathalie does and cook only fresh
>>> foods and also restrict prepackaged foods to those labelled "low
>>> salt", you will find it incredibly difficult to get to the level of
>>> salt consumption that the doctor advises.
>>>
>>> What is wrong with "prevention"??? Why not maintain a healthy diet and
>>> restrict salt BEFORE the need arises. Note that most of the damage
>>> done by an excess of salt occurs in childhood and the teen years. It
>>> only begins to manifest itself once you reach ~60.
>>>
>>> Krypsis
>>
>> huh? you got a citation for that claim.
>>
>
> Start with this one;
>
> http://www.saltmatters.org/site/
>
>> Just some small points- Salt intake doesn't bother everyone. Nor is all
>> high BP caused by or affected by salt. Salt makes the body retain fluid
>> ("water follows salt" is the rule of thumb here) which gets complicated
>> as older bodies age and develop cardiac and other problems. Because
>> people are living longer than ever before, we also see more than in the
>> past too. Perhaps there is an element that the fittest survived, but
>> they're living long enough to develop these problems. Perhaps Krypsis
>> just comes from good genes and has lucked out, and it has nothing to do
>> with the vitamins he takes and salt-less life as he thinks it does? No
>> one knows....?
>
> Browse through the website for which I supplied the URL above and see if
> that doesn't alter your thinking even a little.

Web sites are like assholes. Everybody has one and they all stink.

> My parents and grandparents all suffered from hypertension and all my
> siblings suffer similarly to the point of requiring constant medication.
> I am the only one thus far with no hypertension issues and I will do my
> damnedest to ensure my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren
> do not suffer from hypertension in their lives.

So you were born into a family which has problems with salt and you want
the whole rest of the world to put up with legislation that solves your
personal problem.

In article >,
Krypsis > wrote:

> On 13/03/2010 10:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
> > In >,
> > "J. > wrote:
> >
> >> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
> >> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
> >> the index under "salt", read all the entries.
> >>
> >> There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will kill you
> >> deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw air next.
> >
> > H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
>
> Only when consumed in excess!

Death by H2O is normally due to inhalation, not by stomach.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan wrote on Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:49:45 -0700:

>> On 13/03/2010 10:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
> >> In >,
> >> "J. > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library
> >>> should have it and it's usually on the shelf at the major
> >>> chain bookstores), look in the index under "salt", read
> >>> all the entries.
> >>>
> >>> There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will
> >>> kill you deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw
> >>> air next.
> >>
> >> H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
>>
>> Only when consumed in excess!

> Death by H2O is normally due to inhalation, not by stomach.

It'll produce intoxication (favored by some bums) and death if you drink
enough.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

In article >,
"James Silverton" > wrote:

> Dan wrote on Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:49:45 -0700:
>
> >> On 13/03/2010 10:56 AM, Omelet wrote:

> > >> H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
> >>
> >> Only when consumed in excess!
>
> > Death by H2O is normally due to inhalation, not by stomach.
>
> It'll produce intoxication (favored by some bums) and death if you drink
> enough.

hyponatremia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_deficiency

Note that a strict definition of "intoxication" is "poisoning":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

We had a couple of deaths in my area. One was a fraternity hazing.
This school had had a major problem with pledges dying from alcohol
poisoning. The school finally convinced the fraternities not to make
the pledges kill themselves by drinking alcohol. So this guy died from
drinking too much water. The other was a radio station contest ("Hold
Your Wee for a Wii").

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
Krypsis > wrote:

> On 13/03/2010 10:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
> > In >,
> > "J. > wrote:
> >
> >> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
> >> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
> >> the index under "salt", read all the entries.
> >>
> >> There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will kill you
> >> deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw air next.
> >
> > H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
>
> Only when consumed in excess!
>
> Krypsis

I think that makes my point. <g>
Without some salt intake, you will die. You do need it.

Just not in excess!

I do try to keep mine reasonably low, hence my experiments with MSG.
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
"We're all adults here, except for those of us who aren't." --Blake Murphy

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> Krypsis > wrote:
>
> > On 13/03/2010 10:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
> > > In >,
> > > "J. > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
> > >> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
> > >> the index under "salt", read all the entries.
> > >>
> > >> There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will kill you
> > >> deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw air next.
> > >
> > > H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
> >
> > Only when consumed in excess!
>
> Death by H2O is normally due to inhalation, not by stomach.

Normally, maybe, but more than one person has died from over-ingestion
of water:

<http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/103/6/1292>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_torture>

That is just two cites. More can be googled.

I think it was a year or two ago that some woman died from
over-ingesting water during some stupid radio contest for drinking and
holding the largest amount of water.

I often drink up to 1 gallon of water per day (mainly because I rarely
drink coffee, tea or soft drinks) but that's over the course of an
entire DAY, not over just a few hours...
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On 3/26/2010 12:49 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In .au>,
> > wrote:
>
>> On 13/03/2010 10:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
>>> In >,
>>> "J. > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
>>>> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
>>>> the index under "salt", read all the entries.
>>>>
>>>> There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will kill you
>>>> deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw air next.
>>>
>>> H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
>>
>> Only when consumed in excess!
>
> Death by H2O is normally due to inhalation, not by stomach.

Google "water poisoning" and "water intoxication" and you'll find that
if you drink too much of it it will in fact poison you.

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> Krypsis > wrote:

>>> H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
>> Only when consumed in excess!
>
> Death by H2O is normally due to inhalation, not by stomach.
>
Or over consumption which leads to hyponatremia (low sodium in the
body). The brain swells, seizures, ugly, messy.

J. Clarke wrote:
> On 3/26/2010 11:24 AM, Krypsis wrote:

>> My parents and grandparents all suffered from hypertension and all my
>> siblings suffer similarly to the point of requiring constant
>> medication. I am the only one thus far with no hypertension issues
>> and I will do my damnedest to ensure my children, grandchildren and
>> great grandchildren do not suffer from hypertension in their lives.
>
> So you were born into a family which has problems with salt and you
> want the whole rest of the world to put up with legislation that
> solves your personal problem.

Just as with other dietary restrictions, ask for your food to be
no-salt and leave my food out of it.

nancy

On 27/03/2010 2:57 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

<snip>
>
> So you were born into a family which has problems with salt and you want

I was born into a family which has a predisposition to high BP. Whether
it is genetic or not is yet to be proved. If the younger members of my
extended family prove to be resistant through education on the use of
salt in food, then it will prove something to me at least.

> the whole rest of the world to put up with legislation that solves your
> personal problem.
>
I live in Australia, you live in the US, a country I have no intention
of visiting in the foreseeable future. legislation in YOUR country will
have no effect on me whatsoever. As for personal problems, please be
reminded that I do not have a problem with salt as I avoid its use where
possible. You, however, may or may not have a problem with salt in YOUR
future. All I wish for in my country (Australia, remember!) is that it
be easier for people such as I to easily avoid excesses of salt. It has
already become much easier for people such as myself to avoid the
effects of passive smoking through legislation so one lives in hope.

Krypsis

On 27/03/2010 3:49 AM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In .au>,
> > wrote:
>
>> On 13/03/2010 10:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
>>> In >,
>>> "J. > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
>>>> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
>>>> the index under "salt", read all the entries.
>>>>
>>>> There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will kill you
>>>> deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw air next.
>>>
>>> H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
>>
>> Only when consumed in excess!
>
> Death by H2O is normally due to inhalation, not by stomach.
>
It is possible to drink H2O to excess and die as a result. I seem to
recall that a young woman recently died as a consequence of drinking too
much water. Can't recall which country it was but, no doubt, Google will
provide a reference.

Krypsis

On 27/03/2010 4:04 AM, Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The m.au>
> from > contains these words:
>
>> On 23/03/2010 4:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Mar 22, 10:52 am, > wrote:
>>>
>>> Dude, I weigh 260 pounds and never exercise. 120/70 is excellent.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>> Hope you're about 6'4" at that weight. If you're my height, 5'8", and
>> carrying that amount of weight around, you'll be in for a few problems
>> when you get to my age of 71. Probably none of them will be related to
>> salt but quite a few will be related to common physics.
>> If you're much shorter than 5'8", then getting to my age won't be an issue.
>
>
> How do you account for the fact that there are plenty of obese people
> over age 70?
>
> Janet

If I stroll around my local shopping centres, I see many obese people
under about 50 years of age but all of those over that age seem to be
rather slender. Possibly the obese individuals can no longer walk due to
excesses of stress on their joints hence no longer frequent the shopping
centres.



Krypsis

On 27/03/2010 5:58 AM, Omelet wrote:
> In .au>,
> > wrote:
>
>> On 13/03/2010 10:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
>>> In >,
>>> "J. > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
>>>> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
>>>> the index under "salt", read all the entries.
>>>>
>>>> There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will kill you
>>>> deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw air next.
>>>
>>> H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
>>
>> Only when consumed in excess!
>>
>> Krypsis
>
> I think that makes my point.<g>
> Without some salt intake, you will die. You do need it.

You can get all you need from purely natural foods.
>
> Just not in excess!

>
> I do try to keep mine reasonably low, hence my experiments with MSG.

Have you ever been tested to see what your salt levels are?

BTW, it is the sodium in salt that is the cause of the issues. MSG
consists of sodium as well so using it as an alternative will be of no
benefit. Besides, from what I have been reading, MSG comes with it's own
set of unique problems as well.

Krypsis

On 27/03/2010 6:30 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 3/26/2010 11:24 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>
>>> My parents and grandparents all suffered from hypertension and all my
>>> siblings suffer similarly to the point of requiring constant
>>> medication. I am the only one thus far with no hypertension issues
>>> and I will do my damnedest to ensure my children, grandchildren and
>>> great grandchildren do not suffer from hypertension in their lives.
>>
>> So you were born into a family which has problems with salt and you
>> want the whole rest of the world to put up with legislation that
>> solves your personal problem.
>
> Just as with other dietary restrictions, ask for your food to be no-salt
> and leave my food out of it.
> nancy
>
Obviously you have never tried to get meals prepared with no salt or
even low salt especially in, but not restricted to, restuarants. I would
simply like to go shopping and (a) be able to easily ascertain the
sodium levels in processed foods and (b) have a reasonable selection
from which to choose. As it is, neither of those two scenarios are being
catered to.

The answer, it would seem, is public education and possibly a degree of
legislation. The public education is already occurring in this country
with government awareness campaigns. The media have taken up the cudgel
with respect to fats and sugars in processed and prepackaged foods and
now it seems salt, or more correctly, sodium, is being increasingly
targeted.

Food manufacturers have the most to lose from such campaigns as they
will be increasingly forced to lower sodium levels in their products
with resultant effects on shelf life. I note some of the major
manufacturers here are beginning to reduce sodium voluntarily and that
can only be a good thing.

Krypsis

On 3/26/2010 3:45 PM, Krypsis wrote:
> On 27/03/2010 2:57 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>
>> So you were born into a family which has problems with salt and you want
>
> I was born into a family which has a predisposition to high BP. Whether
> it is genetic or not is yet to be proved.

So what other explanation is there, divine intervention?

> If the younger members of my
> extended family prove to be resistant through education on the use of
> salt in food, then it will prove something to me at least.

Yeah, that their illness can be controlled through diet.

>> the whole rest of the world to put up with legislation that solves your
>> personal problem.
>>
> I live in Australia, you live in the US, a country I have no intention
> of visiting in the foreseeable future.

There _is_ a God.

> legislation in YOUR country will
> have no effect on me whatsoever.

So you don't want salt banned where you are?

> As for personal problems, please be
> reminded that I do not have a problem with salt as I avoid its use where
> possible.

Yes, you do have a problem with salt. You may not be aware of it but
your continued ranting about it makes it clear to the rest of us that
you have a problem.

> You, however, may or may not have a problem with salt in YOUR
> future.

Not your kind of problem I won't.

> All I wish for in my country (Australia, remember!) is that it
> be easier for people such as I to easily avoid excesses of salt.

It is. Just don't eat packaged foods.

> It has
> already become much easier for people such as myself to avoid the
> effects of passive smoking through legislation so one lives in hope.

Oh, you're one of _those_ loons.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:04:31 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote:

> The message >
> from Krypsis > contains these words:
>
>> On 23/03/2010 4:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Mar 22, 10:52 am, > wrote:
>>>
>>> Dude, I weigh 260 pounds and never exercise. 120/70 is excellent.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>> Hope you're about 6'4" at that weight. If you're my height, 5'8", and
>> carrying that amount of weight around, you'll be in for a few problems
>> when you get to my age of 71. Probably none of them will be related to
>> salt but quite a few will be related to common physics.
>> If you're much shorter than 5'8", then getting to my age won't be an issue.
>
> How do you account for the fact that there are plenty of obese people
> over age 70?
>
> Janet

they're cheaters!

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:27:55 +1100, Krypsis wrote:

> On 13/03/2010 10:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
>> In >,
>> "J. > wrote:
>>
>>> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
>>> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
>>> the index under "salt", read all the entries.
>>>
>>> There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will kill you
>>> deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw air next.
>>
>> H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
>
> Only when consumed in excess!
>
> Krypsis

anything over what they put in at the distillery is in excess.

your pal,
blake

In article > ,
Krypsis > wrote:

> On 27/03/2010 4:04 AM, Janet Baraclough wrote:
> > The m.au>
> > from > contains these words:
> >
> >> On 23/03/2010 4:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Mar 22, 10:52 am, > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dude, I weigh 260 pounds and never exercise. 120/70 is excellent.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >> Hope you're about 6'4" at that weight. If you're my height, 5'8", and
> >> carrying that amount of weight around, you'll be in for a few problems
> >> when you get to my age of 71. Probably none of them will be related to
> >> salt but quite a few will be related to common physics.
> >> If you're much shorter than 5'8", then getting to my age won't be an issue.
> >
> >
> > How do you account for the fact that there are plenty of obese people
> > over age 70?
> >
> > Janet
>
> If I stroll around my local shopping centres, I see many obese people
> under about 50 years of age but all of those over that age seem to be
> rather slender. Possibly the obese individuals can no longer walk due to
> excesses of stress on their joints hence no longer frequent the shopping
> centres.
>
>
>
> Krypsis

You obviously never shop at wal-mart. ;-)

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
--
Peace! Om

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"We're all adults here, except for those of us who aren't." --Blake Murphy

In article > ,
Krypsis > wrote:

> Obviously you have never tried to get meals prepared with no salt or
> even low salt especially in, but not restricted to, restuarants. I would
> simply like to go shopping and (a) be able to easily ascertain the
> sodium levels in processed foods and (b) have a reasonable selection
> from which to choose. As it is, neither of those two scenarios are being
> catered to.

Uh, 'scuse me, but ALL the labels I've read for the past many years list
sodium content per serving... Informing? Yes. Banning? That's not the
least bit sensible.

You can also generally find nutritional information on line for most
restaurant foods:

<http://www.olivegarden.com/menus/garden_fare/nutrition_information.asp>

<http://www.redlobster.com/health/nutrition/dinner.asp>

<http://www.fastfoodnutrition.org/r-nutrition-facts/McDonalds-item.html>

Just a quick perusal of those three shows that most commercial
restaurant foods are astronomically high in Sodium, but we already knew
this. ;-) The point of posting this is to show that the information IS
available!

Moral to the story, you want to eat low sodium? Avoid pre-prepared
foods and eating out. Cook and eat at home only...
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
"We're all adults here, except for those of us who aren't." --Blake Murphy

On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:20:24 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article > ,
> Krypsis > wrote:
>
>> Obviously you have never tried to get meals prepared with no salt or
>> even low salt especially in, but not restricted to, restuarants. I would
>> simply like to go shopping and (a) be able to easily ascertain the
>> sodium levels in processed foods and (b) have a reasonable selection
>> from which to choose. As it is, neither of those two scenarios are being
>> catered to.
>
>Uh, 'scuse me, but ALL the labels I've read for the past many years list
>sodium content per serving... Informing? Yes. Banning? That's not the
>least bit sensible.
>
>You can also generally find nutritional information on line for most
>restaurant foods:
>
><http://www.olivegarden.com/menus/garden_fare/nutrition_information.asp>
>
><http://www.redlobster.com/health/nutrition/dinner.asp>
>
><http://www.fastfoodnutrition.org/r-nutrition-facts/McDonalds-item.html>
>
>Just a quick perusal of those three shows that most commercial
>restaurant foods are astronomically high in Sodium, but we already knew
>this. ;-) The point of posting this is to show that the information IS
>available!
>
>Moral to the story, you want to eat low sodium? Avoid pre-prepared
>foods and eating out. Cook and eat at home only...

Or dine at the tavern... there's no sodium in booze.

Actually there are many choices of no sodium added foods at
restuarants; all kinds of salads (green/fruit), eggs, steaks/chops,
veggies. Salt is in the condiments, no law says you can't put plain
oil and vinegar on your salad. Truth is excessive salt has nothing to
do with restaurant food, people eat the saltiest foods at home...
those who kvetch the loudest are who have the saltiest foods in their
pantry and fridge.

> Anyway... what do you think?

Don't leave home without your own Pepper Mill and Salt Cellar. Add
at the table to your personal tastes.

McCormick Spices make some very "portable" mills for S&P. They really
are nice.

Came in late in this discussion, so snipped everything.

I'm working on a blog, which will be published in about a week. It is about
my heart history and suggestions for other cardiac patients.

One area is about salt. I had read that half a million heart attacks could
be prevented per year by the lessening of salt intake. Average intake is 9
to 12 grams a day, much more than the RDA. It causes major health problems,
the biggest hypertension (high blood pressure), which leads to all sorts of
complications.

I am encouraged by hearing that salt is being addressed. As a fan of
reading food labels since 1995 after my first heart procedure, it is amazing
the levels of salt in some foods, and even the presence of it in 7-UP.
Foods one would think of as having salt have it. It will be interesting to
follow.

And blog on.

Steve

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/n...ory_95859.html

an interesting link

Steve