http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd

Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
of salt in restaurant cooking.

"No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd


There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
and millions of dollars in revenue.

Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?

If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
Unsalted hamburger buns?

The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.

Damaeus

Damaeus wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a
> bill introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would
> ban the use of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in
> any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers
> of such restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the
> premises of such restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A.
> 10129, states in part.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
>
> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for
> arranging your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to
> lose millions and millions of dollars in revenue.
>
> Anyway... what do you think?

I think they're being friggin ridiculous and it has about as much chance
of standing as Jersey's 'runny egg' law.

nancy

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:57:13 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>Damaeus wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>>
>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a
>> bill introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would
>> ban the use of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>
>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in
>> any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers
>> of such restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the
>> premises of such restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A.
>> 10129, states in part.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>>
>>
>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for
>> arranging your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to
>> lose millions and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>
>> Anyway... what do you think?
>
>I think they're being friggin ridiculous and it has about as much chance
>of standing as Jersey's 'runny egg' law.
>
>nancy

I don't know, this is getting a great deal of play in our news as
well. Seems a poll was done and 72% of recipients said no to the salt.

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:53:29 -0600, Damaeus
> wrote:

>http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
>Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
>"No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
>form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
>restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>
>http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
>
>There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
>your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
>and millions of dollars in revenue.
>
>Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
>give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
>good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
>Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
>no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>
>If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
>food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
>the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>Unsalted hamburger buns?
>
>The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>
>Damaeus

The way it's worded "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this
state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for
consumption by customers ", means they shall not use to prepare. But
what about the pre-packaged products they use, they didn't make the
product , so should they be in contravention using it? This goes
through and there will be a great number of manufacturering companies
going bankrupt, including many restaurants.

On 3/11/2010 12:53 PM, Damaeus wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
>
> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>
> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?

You do have to admit that the big box industrial restaurants you list do
use immense amounts of salt because it is a really cheap way to make
mediocre food taste better.

That said the government has no business sticking their nose in this.


>
> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
> Unsalted hamburger buns?

Or the big box places can't use the heat and serve food that they
typically use that comes from their factory. The factory would have to
make a special version.

>
> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>
> Damaeus

On Mar 11, 12:53*pm, Damaeus > wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>
> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>
> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>
> Anyway... what do you think? *I think even most chain restaurant food
> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. *It tastes
> good, and that's all I care about. *I'd hate to go into a place like
> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
> no salt it. *What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>
> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
> What about McDonald's? *Their ketchup packets have salt in them. *Are all
> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>
> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>
> Damaeus

Before voting on the bill, the legislature should eat a meal prepared
with
no salt, and be aware that's what they're eating.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mar 11, 9:53*am, Damaeus > wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>
> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>
> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>
> Anyway... what do you think? *I think even most chain restaurant food
> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. *It tastes
> good, and that's all I care about. *I'd hate to go into a place like
> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
> no salt it. *What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>
> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
> What about McDonald's? *Their ketchup packets have salt in them. *Are all
> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>
> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>
> Damaeus

It's a moronic overkill proposal that will never make it as a law.
It is stupid beyond belief as simple chemistry tells us that salt is a
necessary chemical ingredient in many foods not to mention
palatability.

I'm all for healthier preparations, but this is just way beyond
stupid.

How about educating people on salt levels in foods instead.

In article >,
Damaeus > wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...k-salt-ban-abs
> urd
>
> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...k-salt-ban-abs
> urd
>
>
> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>
> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>
> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>
> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>
> Damaeus

Sheer idiocy! Next it'll be sugar...
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On 3/11/2010 3:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Mar 11, 12:53 pm, > wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>
>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>
>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>
>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>
>> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
>> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
>> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>>
>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>>
>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>
>> Damaeus
>
> Before voting on the bill, the legislature should eat a meal prepared
> with
> no salt, and be aware that's what they're eating.

Amen. The thing these morons fail to grasp is that cooking is an
interplay of chemical processes--if salt is eliminated then quite a lot
of processes that depend on it have to be eliminated as well.

But politicians are politicians and they'll likely pass it and then
wonder why they can't get a decent meal in town anymore.

Reading from news:rec.food.cooking,
Stu > posted:

> The way it's worded "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this
> state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for
> consumption by customers ", means they shall not use to prepare. But
> what about the pre-packaged products they use, they didn't make the
> product , so should they be in contravention using it? This goes
> through and there will be a great number of manufacturering companies
> going bankrupt, including many restaurants.

That could be the point. Honestly, I don't have any limits on what my
imagination came come up with when I think of what people will do for
money. So imagine this:

Target the small restaurants that prepare everything fresh. Forbid the
use of salt in their restaurants, knowing that a salt-addicted populace
will simply stop going to them and instead start going to the large chain
restaurants who have less control over what goes into their food since
they buy much of it already prepared for fast assembly. Run the small
restaurants out of business, giving people no choice but to either cook at
home, or go to major chain restaurants, run by big corporations. Whether
you enact laws to force people to eat at those restaurants, or manipulate
them into eating there through strange laws and goofy tactics, it still
boils down to fascism:

fascism

1. [F-] the doctrines, methods, or movement of the
Fascisti

2. [sometimes F-] a system of government characterized
by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible
suppression of opposition, private economic
enterprise under centralized governmental control,
belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism,
etc.

3. A) a political movement based on such policies b)
fascist behavior: See also NAZI


Fascisti

1. An Italian political organization which seized power
and set up a fascist dictatorship (1922-43) under
Mussolini


Well, the very epitome of fascism is telling people they cannot eat salt
in their food. That they're doing it by using legislation against
restaurants is simply a "backdoor" to direct dictatorial fascism. Plus,
you have heard the stories before of major corporations buying off
politicians to get their own way. Make your competition (small,
family-owned restaurants) illegal, and watch even more money roll into
your coffers. The same tactic was used by Dow Chemical Company and other
corporations when they got involved in making hemp and marijuana illegal.

Also, in the news recently was a story about a bake sale going on at a
school. The school forbade parents from baking their own goodies for the
bake sale, which is how it's always traditionally been done. They were
only allowed to sell things like Pop Tarts, Doritos and other prepackaged
junk foods.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...os-may-be-o-k/

So on one hand, they say things like Doritos and Pop Tarts are what's
making us fat, so to combat childhood obesity, they ban home-baked goods
(which are going to be less likely to have strange additives in them), and
give the okay for the same foods they say are bad for you.

"No homemade or unpackaged items are on the list of
+IBw-approved+IB0- foods because +IBw-it+IBk-s impossible to know what the
content is, or what the portion size is,+IB0- said Kathleen
Grimm, the deputy chancellor for infrastructure and
portfolio planning, who oversees the regulation."

That's like saying it's better to eat food with corn syrup, high fructose
corn syrup, and partially hydrogenated soybean oil that you KNOW is in
there, as opposed to a home-baked brownie which is most likely going to
have just flour, butter, sugar, eggs, chocolate or cocoa powder, and some
baking powder. It's ridiculous.

Plus, what are they /not/ saying, while spilling all the reasons they
think are good? Did the school or school officials get some kind of
kickback from the companies that make these foods "approved" for bake
sales?

If they wanted to come up with a good reason for not allowing home-baked
goods, I would have been more moved by the possibility of poisoning or
lacing foods with spanish fly or something. The people involved with all
these rules are going nuts.

Damaeus

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:53:29 -0600, Damaeus
> wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
>
<snip>
>
> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>
I think the last word in the URL sums it up well: absurd.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:22:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Mar 11, 12:53*pm, Damaeus > wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>
>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>
>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>
>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>
>> Anyway... what do you think? *I think even most chain restaurant food
>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. *It tastes
>> good, and that's all I care about. *I'd hate to go into a place like
>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
>> no salt it. *What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>>
>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>> What about McDonald's? *Their ketchup packets have salt in them. *Are all
>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>>
>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>
>> Damaeus
>
>Before voting on the bill, the legislature should eat a meal prepared
>with
>no salt, and be aware that's what they're eating.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

The idiot legislator was interviewed on TV and he's a certifiable
pinhead.... his father died of a coronary a couple three months ago so
he went on a witch hunt for something to blame... he has no
medical/dietary training whatsoever and all he did is rant utter
nonsense while spewing spittle and could barely control his wild
gesticulating... the guy is extremely mentally ill, he needs to be
institutionalized before he harms himself and/or others. He's one sad
dude.

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:10:31 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:53:29 -0600, Damaeus
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>>
>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>
>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>>
>>
><snip>
>>
>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>
>I think the last word in the URL sums it up well: absurd.

Yeah, there goes the pickling industry... Barb has to turn in her
pickle hat. I'm gonna go right out and order a pepperoni and achovy
pizza with double toppings and extra fatcha matcharoni cheese. All I
can say is they better not **** with my SPAM! LOL-LOL

On 3/11/2010 3:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Mar 11, 12:53 pm, > wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>
>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>
>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>
>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>
>> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
>> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
>> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>>
>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>>
>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>
>> Damaeus
>
> Before voting on the bill, the legislature should eat a meal prepared
> with
> no salt, and be aware that's what they're eating.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

You need to consider that the members of most government bodies have no
common sense.

Promoting awareness etc is a good thing (especially since a typical big
box industrial meal is 19x the recommended daily sodium intake),
outright bans are just silly.

On 3/11/2010 3:53 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...k-salt-ban-abs
>> urd
>>
>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>
>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...k-salt-ban-abs
>> urd
>>
>>
>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>
>> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
>> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
>> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>>
>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>>
>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>
>> Damaeus
>
> Sheer idiocy! Next it'll be sugar...

You may have missed the Philly sugared drink tax thread.

Cindy wrote on Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:22:14 -0800 (PST):


> Before voting on the bill, the legislature should eat a meal
> prepared with
> no salt, and be aware that's what they're eating.

They will probably issue a special permit to allow smoking while eating
the glop.

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"Damaeus" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
>
> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>
> Anyway... what do you think?

I think every restaurant in NY should close for a week and see just how long
the Salt Police would last.

This IDIOT has his head in a biologically impossible place.
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In article >,
George > wrote:

> > Sheer idiocy! Next it'll be sugar...
>
> You may have missed the Philly sugared drink tax thread.

I did not actually read it, but I did note it.
A tax however is not a ban. I thought it was stupid to ban trans-fats!
People need to take personal responsibility for what they eat...
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In article >,
"Dimitri" > wrote:

> "Damaeus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...ork-salt-ban-a
> > bsurd
> >
> > Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
> > introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
> > of salt in restaurant cooking.
> >
> > "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
> > form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
> > restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
> > restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
> >
> > http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...ork-salt-ban-a
> > bsurd
> >
> >
> > There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
> > your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
> > and millions of dollars in revenue.
> >
> > Anyway... what do you think?
>
> I think every restaurant in NY should close for a week and see just how long
> the Salt Police would last.
>
> This IDIOT has his head in a biologically impossible place.

Recto-cranial inversion syndrome? <g>
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Damaeus wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
>
> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>
> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>
> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>
> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>
> Damaeus

Well, how many restaurants would that kill off?

--
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Stu wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:57:13 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:
>
>> Damaeus wrote:
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>>>
>>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a
>>> bill introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would
>>> ban the use of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>>
>>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in
>>> any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers
>>> of such restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the
>>> premises of such restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A.
>>> 10129, states in part.
>>>
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>>>
>>>
>>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for
>>> arranging your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to
>>> lose millions and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>>
>>> Anyway... what do you think?
>> I think they're being friggin ridiculous and it has about as much chance
>> of standing as Jersey's 'runny egg' law.
>>
>> nancy
>
> I don't know, this is getting a great deal of play in our news as
> well. Seems a poll was done and 72% of recipients said no to the salt.

Huh? Having been on a salt-free diet, I have to ask... Do they
know just how awful such food is? I can see folks on such diets
being happy, but that is not the majority of people.

--
Jean B.

Stu wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:53:29 -0600, Damaeus
> > wrote:
>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>>
>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>
>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>>
>>
>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>
>> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
>> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
>> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>>
>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>>
>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>
>> Damaeus
>
> The way it's worded "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this
> state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for
> consumption by customers ", means they shall not use to prepare. But
> what about the pre-packaged products they use, they didn't make the
> product , so should they be in contravention using it? This goes
> through and there will be a great number of manufacturering companies
> going bankrupt, including many restaurants.

And that would have a serious effect on tax revenue.

--
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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Mar 11, 12:53 pm, Damaeus > wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>
>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>
>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>
>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for arranging
>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>
>> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I don't
>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
>> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
>> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>>
>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>>
>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>
>> Damaeus
>
> Before voting on the bill, the legislature should eat a meal prepared
> with
> no salt, and be aware that's what they're eating.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

That would do it, all right.

--
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:53:29 -0600 in rec.food.cooking, Damaeus
> wrote,
>Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>of salt in restaurant cooking.

I assume that this has no real chance of passing, but is merely part of
a scheme to shake down restaurateurs for campaign donations or some such
thing.

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:53:29 -0600, Damaeus
> wrote:

>http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>
>Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
>"No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
>form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
>restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.

"Land of the free." Feh! Nanny State from sea to shining sea, AFICS.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

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if the wine had been as old as the turkey,
and if the turkey had had a breast like the maid,
it would have been a swell dinner." Duncan Hines

On 12/03/2010 6:38 AM, George wrote:
> On 3/11/2010 12:53 PM, Damaeus wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>>
>>
>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>
>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of
>> such
>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd
>>
>>
>>
>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for
>> arranging
>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose millions
>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>
>> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I
>> don't
>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It tastes
>> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like

I eat for taste AND nutritional value. I don't like my food to taste so
salty that I can taste no other flavours and I like my food to be good
for me without putting my health at risk. Chain restaurant food fails
the test as far as I am concerned.

>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
>> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?

Probably the way home made cheese used to taste.
>
> You do have to admit that the big box industrial restaurants you list do
> use immense amounts of salt because it is a really cheap way to make
> mediocre food taste better.
>
> That said the government has no business sticking their nose in this.
>
If it will save them a few billion on health budgets, then I suggest it
is in their best interests to stick their nose into it. Salt is used in
these restaurants because it is an effective preservative and extends
the shelf life of their products.
>
>>
>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>> Unsalted hamburger buns?

Hey, they may even have to put taste back into their food! Wouldn't that
be brilliant concept!
>
> Or the big box places can't use the heat and serve food that they
> typically use that comes from their factory. The factory would have to
> make a special version.
>
They might even have to use freshly cooked food made from fresh raw
ingredients. How novel would that be? Retro food!!!!

>>
>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>
>> Damaeus
>
The new bill sounds like one small step in the right direction. Looking
at the obesity levels of Americans and Australians, it's come just in time.

Krypsis

On 12/03/2010 7:55 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On 3/11/2010 3:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Mar 11, 12:53 pm, > wrote:
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>>
>>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the
>>> use
>>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>>
>>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in
>>> any
>>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
>>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of
>>> such
>>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
>>>
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>>
>>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for
>>> arranging
>>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose
>>> millions
>>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>>
>>> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I
>>> don't
>>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It
>>> tastes
>>> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
>>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that had
>>> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>>>
>>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't use
>>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>>> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
>>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>>> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>>>
>>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>>
>>> Damaeus
>>
>> Before voting on the bill, the legislature should eat a meal prepared
>> with
>> no salt, and be aware that's what they're eating.
>
> Amen. The thing these morons fail to grasp is that cooking is an
> interplay of chemical processes--if salt is eliminated then quite a lot
> of processes that depend on it have to be eliminated as well.
>
> But politicians are politicians and they'll likely pass it and then
> wonder why they can't get a decent meal in town anymore.

At least until their palate adapts and then food will taste like it
should! That will be in four or five weeks...

Krypsis

On 12/03/2010 11:39 AM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>>> Sheer idiocy! Next it'll be sugar...
>>
>> You may have missed the Philly sugared drink tax thread.
>
> I did not actually read it, but I did note it.
> A tax however is not a ban. I thought it was stupid to ban trans-fats!
> People need to take personal responsibility for what they eat...

That might be so! It would be nice if people could be made aware of
substances in the food that they eat and I don't mean by way of obscure
and hard to read nutritional information panels. Food manufacturers go
out of their way to obscure what's in processed and prepackaged foodstuffs.

Krypsis

..

On 3/12/2010 8:57 AM, Krypsis wrote:
> On 12/03/2010 7:55 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 3/11/2010 3:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Mar 11, 12:53 pm, > wrote:
>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
>>>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the
>>>> use
>>>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>>>
>>>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in
>>>> any
>>>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of
>>>> such
>>>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of
>>>> such
>>>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in
>>>> part.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for
>>>> arranging
>>>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose
>>>> millions
>>>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>>>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I
>>>> don't
>>>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It
>>>> tastes
>>>> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
>>>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that
>>>> had
>>>> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>>>>
>>>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't
>>>> use
>>>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>>>> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are all
>>>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>>>> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>>>>
>>>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>>>
>>>> Damaeus
>>>
>>> Before voting on the bill, the legislature should eat a meal prepared
>>> with
>>> no salt, and be aware that's what they're eating.
>>
>> Amen. The thing these morons fail to grasp is that cooking is an
>> interplay of chemical processes--if salt is eliminated then quite a lot
>> of processes that depend on it have to be eliminated as well.
>>
>> But politicians are politicians and they'll likely pass it and then
>> wonder why they can't get a decent meal in town anymore.
>
> At least until their palate adapts and then food will taste like it
> should! That will be in four or five weeks...

Yeah, vegetables with all the nutrients leached out, bread that rose too
high, cheese that didn't ripen properly, vegetables that are either hard
or or have all the color washed out . . .

Salt does more in cooking than add flavor--it has significant effects on
the chemical processes that go on in the food.

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:50:07 +1100, Krypsis >
wrote:

> The new bill sounds like one small step in the right direction. Looking
> at the obesity levels of Americans and Australians, it's come just in time.

It's ridiculous meddling. Somebody needs to find something more
constructive to do with their time or find themselves voted out of
office.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 13/03/2010 4:02 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On 3/12/2010 8:57 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>> On 12/03/2010 7:55 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On 3/11/2010 3:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Mar 11, 12:53 pm, > wrote:
>>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a
>>>>> bill
>>>>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the
>>>>> use
>>>>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>>>>
>>>>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in
>>>>> any
>>>>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of
>>>>> such
>>>>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of
>>>>> such
>>>>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in
>>>>> part.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for
>>>>> arranging
>>>>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose
>>>>> millions
>>>>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>>>>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It
>>>>> tastes
>>>>> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
>>>>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that
>>>>> had
>>>>> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>>>>>
>>>>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't
>>>>> use
>>>>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt included.
>>>>> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are
>>>>> all
>>>>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted ketchup?
>>>>> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>>>>>
>>>>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Damaeus
>>>>
>>>> Before voting on the bill, the legislature should eat a meal prepared
>>>> with
>>>> no salt, and be aware that's what they're eating.
>>>
>>> Amen. The thing these morons fail to grasp is that cooking is an
>>> interplay of chemical processes--if salt is eliminated then quite a lot
>>> of processes that depend on it have to be eliminated as well.
>>>
>>> But politicians are politicians and they'll likely pass it and then
>>> wonder why they can't get a decent meal in town anymore.
>>
>> At least until their palate adapts and then food will taste like it
>> should! That will be in four or five weeks...
>
> Yeah, vegetables with all the nutrients leached out,

I steam vegetables without salt. I don't leach all the nutrients out by
overcooking.

> bread that rose too high,

There are alternatives to salt such as potassium that aid in those
processes.

> cheese that didn't ripen properly,

That's a hard one but since I am allergic to cheese I don't use it anyway.

> vegetables that are either hard

I prefer my vegetables slightly crisp, not limp.

> or or have all the color washed out . . .

See above.
>
> Salt does more in cooking than add flavor--it has significant effects on
> the chemical processes that go on in the food.
>
>
Perhaps you would like to give us a detailed explanation of said
chemical processes. It's easy enough to make the claims but I'd like to
see you justify them. There is sufficient evidence that excesses of salt
does long term harm.

Krypsis

On 13/03/2010 5:50 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:50:07 +1100, >
> wrote:
>
>> The new bill sounds like one small step in the right direction. Looking
>> at the obesity levels of Americans and Australians, it's come just in time.
>
> It's ridiculous meddling. Somebody needs to find something more
> constructive to do with their time or find themselves voted out of
> office.
>
I'd like to be able to buy "some" prepackaged foods that aren't
overloaded with salt. I won't vote anyone out of office which is
enabling me to have that choice!

Krypsis

On 2010-03-11 12:53:29 -0500, Damaeus said:

> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...alt-ban-absurd

Some
>
> New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill
> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use
> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>
> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any
> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such
> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such
> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in part.

Legislators propose all kinds of goofy shit, it doesn't mean that it
will get passed, or if passed that it won't be challenged. While this
proposal might make litle Felix Ortiz feel better, I seriously doubt it
would get close to passing. It's nuts, even for a politician.

Now trans fat on the other hand, that shit has got to go!

Paul

On 3/12/2010 2:25 PM, Krypsis wrote:
> On 13/03/2010 4:02 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 3/12/2010 8:57 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>>> On 12/03/2010 7:55 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On 3/11/2010 3:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 11, 12:53 pm, > wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a
>>>>>> bill
>>>>>> introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> of salt in restaurant cooking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129, states in
>>>>>> part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...d-new-york-sal...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's more at the article, but I didn't want to go to jail for
>>>>>> arranging
>>>>>> your monitor's pixels in a way that would cause Fox News to lose
>>>>>> millions
>>>>>> and millions of dollars in revenue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway... what do you think? I think even most chain restaurant food
>>>>>> tastes pretty good, like at Chili's, Applebee's, Olive Garden, and I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> give a shit if you laugh at me for eating in those restaurants. It
>>>>>> tastes
>>>>>> good, and that's all I care about. I'd hate to go into a place like
>>>>>> Chili's for their queso dip only to find they had to use cheese that
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> no salt it. What would unsalted cheese taste like?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the restaurant cannot use salt in any form, that means they can't
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> food they buy from places like Sysco, which already has salt
>>>>>> included.
>>>>>> What about McDonald's? Their ketchup packets have salt in them. Are
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> the McDonald's in New York City going to have to buy unsalted
>>>>>> ketchup?
>>>>>> Unsalted hamburger buns?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The new bill sounds ridiculous to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damaeus
>>>>>
>>>>> Before voting on the bill, the legislature should eat a meal prepared
>>>>> with
>>>>> no salt, and be aware that's what they're eating.
>>>>
>>>> Amen. The thing these morons fail to grasp is that cooking is an
>>>> interplay of chemical processes--if salt is eliminated then quite a lot
>>>> of processes that depend on it have to be eliminated as well.
>>>>
>>>> But politicians are politicians and they'll likely pass it and then
>>>> wonder why they can't get a decent meal in town anymore.
>>>
>>> At least until their palate adapts and then food will taste like it
>>> should! That will be in four or five weeks...
>>
>> Yeah, vegetables with all the nutrients leached out,
>
> I steam vegetables without salt. I don't leach all the nutrients out by
> overcooking.

So let's see you make steamed gumbo.

>> bread that rose too high,
>
> There are alternatives to salt such as potassium that aid in those
> processes.

Ever tasted potassium chloride?

>> cheese that didn't ripen properly,
>
> That's a hard one but since I am allergic to cheese I don't use it anyway.

And so the rest of the world should eat rotten cheese to suit your
notion of political correctness?

>> vegetables that are either hard
>
> I prefer my vegetables slightly crisp, not limp.

And if you get slightly crisp with salt you get rock hard without it, or
else overcooked.

>> or or have all the color washed out . . .
>
> See above.

What specific "above"?

>> Salt does more in cooking than add flavor--it has significant effects on
>> the chemical processes that go on in the food.
>>
>>
> Perhaps you would like to give us a detailed explanation of said
> chemical processes. It's easy enough to make the claims but I'd like to
> see you justify them. There is sufficient evidence that excesses of salt
> does long term harm.

Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
the index under "salt", read all the entries.

There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will kill you
deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw air next.

On 3/12/2010 1:50 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:50:07 +1100, >
> wrote:
>
>> The new bill sounds like one small step in the right direction. Looking
>> at the obesity levels of Americans and Australians, it's come just in time.
>
> It's ridiculous meddling. Somebody needs to find something more
> constructive to do with their time or find themselves voted out of
> office.

The major failing of elected government is that having done everything
that is necessary to form a stable government they continue to meet and
find new things to do. I think they need to change the rules so that
Congress meets every ten years instead of every year. That way they'll
have less opportunity to make trouble and they'll get over the idea that
"legislator" is a day job.

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:28:24 +1100, Krypsis >
wrote:

> On 13/03/2010 5:50 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:50:07 +1100, >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The new bill sounds like one small step in the right direction. Looking
> >> at the obesity levels of Americans and Australians, it's come just in time.
> >
> > It's ridiculous meddling. Somebody needs to find something more
> > constructive to do with their time or find themselves voted out of
> > office.
> >
> I'd like to be able to buy "some" prepackaged foods that aren't
> overloaded with salt. I won't vote anyone out of office which is
> enabling me to have that choice!
>
The way to get it is not through legislation!

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article >,
"J. Clarke" > wrote:

> On 3/12/2010 2:25 PM, Krypsis wrote:


> > I steam vegetables without salt. I don't leach all the nutrients out by
> > overcooking.
>
> So let's see you make steamed gumbo.

> > I prefer my vegetables slightly crisp, not limp.
>
> And if you get slightly crisp with salt you get rock hard without it, or
> else overcooked.

> > Perhaps you would like to give us a detailed explanation of said
> > chemical processes. It's easy enough to make the claims but I'd like to
> > see you justify them. There is sufficient evidence that excesses of salt
> > does long term harm.
>
> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
> the index under "salt", read all the entries.

Got out my second edition, author Harold McGee, 2004. I was too lazy to
look up every reference to salt. Everything that referred to salt and
vegetables was between pp 278-296. For cooked vegetables, all that I
saw was a reference to softening them slightly when cooked in salt. Of
course, when you are steaming, if there is no contact between the liquid
water and the vegetables, there *is* no salt, since it doesn't
evaporate. For pickled (fermented) vegetables, the amount of salt is
crucial because that controls which organisms grow. For the kind of
pickles that most of us actually eat now, there are no organisms, and
they are preserved by refrigeration or heat treatment.

The idea that vegetables which are cooked to slightly crisp with salt,
would be either rock hard or overcooked when cooked without salt seems
absurd, and certainly wasn't supported by the cite.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
"J. Clarke" > wrote:

> > There are alternatives to salt such as potassium that aid in those
> > processes.
>
> Ever tasted potassium chloride?

I have. <shudder> Still use it sometimes, but it's one of many reasons
I'm currently exploring MSG...
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In article >,
"J. Clarke" > wrote:

> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
> the index under "salt", read all the entries.
>
> There is sufficient evidence that excesses of oxygen will kill you
> deader'n Hell so I guess you'll want to outlaw air next.

H2O can be deadly too! Let's ban it!
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On 3/12/2010 5:19 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In >,
> "J. > wrote:
>
>> On 3/12/2010 2:25 PM, Krypsis wrote:
>
>
>>> I steam vegetables without salt. I don't leach all the nutrients out by
>>> overcooking.
>>
>> So let's see you make steamed gumbo.
>
>>> I prefer my vegetables slightly crisp, not limp.
>>
>> And if you get slightly crisp with salt you get rock hard without it, or
>> else overcooked.
>
>>> Perhaps you would like to give us a detailed explanation of said
>>> chemical processes. It's easy enough to make the claims but I'd like to
>>> see you justify them. There is sufficient evidence that excesses of salt
>>> does long term harm.
>>
>> Find a copy of "On Food and Cooking" (any decent library should have it
>> and it's usually on the shelf at the major chain bookstores), look in
>> the index under "salt", read all the entries.
>
> Got out my second edition, author Harold McGee, 2004. I was too lazy to
> look up every reference to salt. Everything that referred to salt and
> vegetables was between pp 278-296. For cooked vegetables, all that I
> saw was a reference to softening them slightly when cooked in salt. Of
> course, when you are steaming, if there is no contact between the liquid
> water and the vegetables, there *is* no salt, since it doesn't
> evaporate. For pickled (fermented) vegetables, the amount of salt is
> crucial because that controls which organisms grow. For the kind of
> pickles that most of us actually eat now, there are no organisms, and
> they are preserved by refrigeration or heat treatment.
>
> The idea that vegetables which are cooked to slightly crisp with salt,
> would be either rock hard or overcooked when cooked without salt seems
> absurd, and certainly wasn't supported by the cite.

Look 'em all up, the proposed legislation does not contain the word
"vegetable". It bans ALL use.