Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
>

But seriously, i have been burned so many times by "new and improved"
and i might add, overly gimmicked technology, with delicate circuitry
that breaks down quickly that i tend to try to find older versions of
such things, cars as well as kitchen appliances, when i have to.

--

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://fredeeky.typepad.com/fredeeky.../sf_anthem.mp3

In article >,
"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > wrote:

> Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
> >
>
> But seriously, i have been burned so many times by "new and improved"
> and i might add, overly gimmicked technology, with delicate circuitry
> that breaks down quickly that i tend to try to find older versions of
> such things, cars as well as kitchen appliances, when i have to.

The two main problems with braking lately in Toyotas we

1. Floor mats that got stuck under the accelerator pedal.

2. Wear in the mechanical linkage in the accelerator mechanism that
caused it to get stuck.

Neither had anything to do with "delicate circuitry".

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:03:14 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > wrote:
>
> > Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
> > >
> >
> > But seriously, i have been burned so many times by "new and improved"
> > and i might add, overly gimmicked technology, with delicate circuitry
> > that breaks down quickly that i tend to try to find older versions of
> > such things, cars as well as kitchen appliances, when i have to.
>
> The two main problems with braking lately in Toyotas we
>
> 1. Floor mats that got stuck under the accelerator pedal.
>
> 2. Wear in the mechanical linkage in the accelerator mechanism that
> caused it to get stuck.
>
> Neither had anything to do with "delicate circuitry".

That was the "official" explanation. They still haven't cleared it up
and it also turns out that Japan has been covering up that they have
the same problems with Toyotas built over there.

It's boiling down to a software problem that nobody knows how to fix
yet.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mar 15, 10:45*am, sf > wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:03:14 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > wrote:
>
> > > Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
>
> > > But seriously, i have been burned so many times by "new and improved"
> > > and i might add, overly gimmicked technology, with delicate circuitry
> > > that breaks down quickly that i tend to try to find older versions of
> > > such things, cars as well as kitchen appliances, when i have to.
>
> > The two main problems with braking lately in Toyotas we
>
> > 1. *Floor mats that got stuck under the accelerator pedal.
>
> > 2. *Wear in the mechanical linkage in the accelerator mechanism that
> > caused it to get stuck.
>
> > Neither had anything to do with "delicate circuitry".
>
> That was the "official" explanation. *They still haven't cleared it up and it also turns out that Japan has been covering up that they have the same problems with Toyotas built over there. *
>
> It's boiling down to a software problem that nobody knows how to fix
> yet.
>
> --
> I love cooking with wine.
> Sometimes I even put it in the food.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How's this for a conspiracy theory?????

Toyota is too big. They are too good. They make cars that don't
lose value and just work. You just couldn't find a used Toyota
anywhere as cheap as other used cars because they hold their value.

American cars sucked. They made cars nobody wanted to buy. American
Auto industry in the toilet...even Ford is still struggling.

Computers and electronic systems are easily fiddled with...if you have
the expertise.

So, Toyota was targeted by some big players behind the American car
industry to take them down.


Look for a huge wave of 'stories' about Toyotas (note the Prius story
over the weekend that is being questioned) not working properly even
though Toyota does due diligence and shows that the symptoms are not
what are portrayed in the media.


Spread fear about Toyota in a big enough way and soon the market would
be flooded with Toyotas that people are scared won't work. People
afraid to buy a new Toyota because of all the media stories about
horrific experiences. If you spread enough fear you can take a
company down.

Sound like any other tactics you've ever heard of???

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:58:06 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> So, Toyota was targeted by some big players behind the American car
> industry to take them down.

You just made that up?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mar 15, 11:22*am, sf > wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:58:06 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>
> > wrote:
> > So, Toyota was targeted by some big players behind the American car
> > industry to take them down.
>
> You just made that up?
>
> --
> I love cooking with wine.
> Sometimes I even put it in the food.

No, it actually came out of a long conversation a bunch of us had over
the weekend....trying to figure out what the deal is with
Toyota....and that's what we came up with.

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:36:24 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> On Mar 15, 11:22*am, sf > wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:58:06 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > So, Toyota was targeted by some big players behind the American car
> > > industry to take them down.
> >
> > You just made that up?
>
> No, it actually came out of a long conversation a bunch of us had over
> the weekend....trying to figure out what the deal is with
> Toyota....and that's what we came up with.

LOL! How many beers did it take?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

> > > You just made that up?
>
> > No, it actually came out of a long conversation a bunch of us had over
> > the weekend....trying to figure out what the deal is with
> > Toyota....and that's what we came up with.
>
> LOL! *How many beers did it take?
>
Well, actually it was wine. But the more you think about it the more
plausable it gets........

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:34:37 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>
> > > > You just made that up?
> >
> > > No, it actually came out of a long conversation a bunch of us had over
> > > the weekend....trying to figure out what the deal is with
> > > Toyota....and that's what we came up with.
> >
> > LOL! *How many beers did it take?
> >
> Well, actually it was wine. But the more you think about it the more
> plausable it gets........

Klink!

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mar 15, 12:43*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:34:37 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > You just made that up?
>
> > > > No, it actually came out of a long conversation a bunch of us had over
> > > > the weekend....trying to figure out what the deal is with
> > > > Toyota....and that's what we came up with.
>
> > > LOL! How many beers did it take?
>
> > Well, actually it was wine. * But the more you think about it the more
> > plausable it gets........
>
> Klink!
>
> --
> I love cooking with wine.
> Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Well...... looks like Toyota is call the bluff on the Prius story.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/15/auto...dex.htm?hpt=T2

ImStillMags > wrote:
>> > > You just made that up?
>>
>> > No, it actually came out of a long conversation a bunch of us had over
>> > the weekend....trying to figure out what the deal is with
>> > Toyota....and that's what we came up with.
>>
>> LOL! *How many beers did it take?
>>
>Well, actually it was wine. But the more you think about it the more
>plausable it gets........

Well I'm one that thinks the Toyota stuff is way overblown.

The Feb. 9 entry at www.RuleOfDum.com also mentions slamming Toyota
helps US car companies.

(The Jan 21, 2009 "Free at Last" picture with Bush/Cheney still makes
me laugh!)

"ImStillMags" > wrote
> How's this for a conspiracy theory?????
>
> Toyota is too big. They are too good. They make cars that don't
> lose value and just work. You just couldn't find a used Toyota
> anywhere as cheap as other used cars because they hold their value.

>
> So, Toyota was targeted by some big players behind the American car
> industry to take them down.
>
> Sound like any other tactics you've ever heard of???
>
>

I've heard similar theories in other places. It would not take much to make
a giant fall.

ImStillMags wrote:
> On Mar 15, 10:45 am, > wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:03:14 -0700, Dan > wrote:
>>> In >,
>>> "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:
>>>> Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
>>>> But seriously, i have been burned so many times by "new and improved"
>>>> and i might add, overly gimmicked technology, with delicate circuitry
>>>> that breaks down quickly that i tend to try to find older versions of
>>>> such things, cars as well as kitchen appliances, when i have to.
>>> The two main problems with braking lately in Toyotas we
>>> 1. Floor mats that got stuck under the accelerator pedal.
>>> 2. Wear in the mechanical linkage in the accelerator mechanism that
>>> caused it to get stuck.
>>> Neither had anything to do with "delicate circuitry".
>> That was the "official" explanation. They still haven't cleared it up and it also turns out that Japan has been covering up that they have the same problems with Toyotas built over there.
>>
>> It's boiling down to a software problem that nobody knows how to fix
>> yet.
>>
> How's this for a conspiracy theory?????
>
> Toyota is too big. They are too good. They make cars that don't
> lose value and just work. You just couldn't find a used Toyota
> anywhere as cheap as other used cars because they hold their value.
>
> American cars sucked. They made cars nobody wanted to buy. American
> Auto industry in the toilet...even Ford is still struggling.

Exactly. Australian cars are much the same. The Japanese in particular
long ago eclipsed the build quality of our cars.
In fact, in recent years, our cars (particularity Fords) have gotten
even worse mainly due to cutting costs wherever possible.


--
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who haven't got it - George Bernard Shaw

ImStillMags wrote:
> On Mar 15, 11:22 am, > wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:58:06 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> So, Toyota was targeted by some big players behind the American car
>>> industry to take them down.
>> You just made that up?
>
> No, it actually came out of a long conversation a bunch of us had over
> the weekend....trying to figure out what the deal is with
> Toyota....and that's what we came up with.

Why *wouldn't* the competition - be they American or elsewhere - *not*
make the most of this negative publicity?
Especially in the current economic climate... It's only common sense
from their POV.

--
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who haven't got it - George Bernard Shaw