I just saw this in a newspaper:

http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk

Any suggestions/solutions?

gloria p

On 2010-03-20, gloria.p > wrote:
>
> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> Any suggestions/solutions?

When any good idea comes along, can the alarmists be far behind?

Ummm...yeah. Using reusable grocery bags to store rotting road kill,
then emptying them long enough to shop for bulk granola or fresh
peaches, is probably not such a good idea. Like my late FIL used to
say, "Gotta be smarter than the tool".

nb

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:26:05 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2010-03-20, gloria.p > wrote:
>>
>> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>>
>> Any suggestions/solutions?
>
>When any good idea comes along, can the alarmists be far behind?
>
>Ummm...yeah. Using reusable grocery bags to store rotting road kill,
>then emptying them long enough to shop for bulk granola or fresh
>peaches, is probably not such a good idea. Like my late FIL used to
>say, "Gotta be smarter than the tool".

Modern disposable shopping bags (paper and plastic) are "greener than
reusables".... disposables consume far less energy to manufacture, can
actually be reused many times and for many purposes, and are highly
biodegradable. Laundering bags creates far more pollution and
consumes far more energy than disposables.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:29:24 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:26:05 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2010-03-20, gloria.p > wrote:
>>>
>>> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>>>
>>> Any suggestions/solutions?
>>
>>When any good idea comes along, can the alarmists be far behind?
>>
>>Ummm...yeah. Using reusable grocery bags to store rotting road kill,
>>then emptying them long enough to shop for bulk granola or fresh
>>peaches, is probably not such a good idea. Like my late FIL used to
>>say, "Gotta be smarter than the tool".
>
> Modern disposable shopping bags (paper and plastic) are "greener than
> reusables".... disposables consume far less energy to manufacture, can
> actually be reused many times and for many purposes, and are highly
> biodegradable. Laundering bags creates far more pollution and
> consumes far more energy than disposables.

#2 plastic bags are 'highly biodegradable'? you get stupider every day.

blake

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:46:37 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>
> #2 plastic bags are 'highly biodegradable'? you get stupider every day.

We got something packed in what looked like styrofoam squigglies...
but they were a corn product. Maybe they're doing that with baggies
now. We use the reusable, flat bottomed, grocery bags now that they
come in large paper bag size.

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"Janet Baraclough" < ha scritto nel messaggio

> Several UK smkt chains only supply biodegradable corn-starch bags.>
> They look and feel like a plastic bag and are waterproof and strong>
> enough to use a couple of times.> In landfill it takes the bags about 3
> months to biodegrade.

Our Coop used those. I keep the recycling plastic bottles in a grocery bag
behind a door hung on the doorknob. In only a couple of weeks a loud noise
proved to be the recycling on the floor because the bag had fallen to bits.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message >
> from sf > contains these words:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:46:37 -0400, blake murphy
>> > wrote:
>
>>> #2 plastic bags are 'highly biodegradable'? you get stupider every day.
>
>> We got something packed in what looked like styrofoam squigglies...
>> but they were a corn product. Maybe they're doing that with baggies
>> now.
>
> Several UK smkt chains only supply biodegradable corn-starch bags.
> They look and feel like a plastic bag and are waterproof and strong
> enough to use a couple of times.
> In landfill it takes the bags about 3 months to biodegrade. Our local
> council encourages homeowners to compost green waste, and supplies a
> biodegradable bin liner for collecting it.
>


When we started having to use biodegradable bags for the compost garbage
we had a problem with them composting too quickly. They were falling
apart before they were full.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
> The message >
> from sf > contains these words:
>
> > On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:46:37 -0400, blake murphy
> > > wrote:
>
> > >
> > > #2 plastic bags are 'highly biodegradable'? you get stupider every day.
>
> > We got something packed in what looked like styrofoam squigglies...
> > but they were a corn product. Maybe they're doing that with baggies
> > now.
>
> Several UK smkt chains only supply biodegradable corn-starch bags.
> They look and feel like a plastic bag and are waterproof and strong
> enough to use a couple of times.
> In landfill it takes the bags about 3 months to biodegrade. Our local
> council encourages homeowners to compost green waste, and supplies a
> biodegradable bin liner for collecting it.
>
> http://www.packagingknowledge.com/de...dable_bags.asp
>
> Janet

Sainsbury's used to sell 'photobiodegradable' trash bags. However, there
was a lack of logic to that. Landfills aren't good sources of sunlight,
as the trash is packed in layers and soil put over that. They apparently
didn't sell well cos they weren't available a few months later.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:26:05 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2010-03-20, gloria.p > wrote:
>>>
>>> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>>>
>>> Any suggestions/solutions?
>>
>>When any good idea comes along, can the alarmists be far behind?
>>
>>Ummm...yeah. Using reusable grocery bags to store rotting road kill,
>>then emptying them long enough to shop for bulk granola or fresh
>>peaches, is probably not such a good idea. Like my late FIL used to
>>say, "Gotta be smarter than the tool".
>
> Modern disposable shopping bags (paper and plastic) are "greener than
> reusables".... disposables consume far less energy to manufacture, can
> actually be reused many times and for many purposes, and are highly
> biodegradable. Laundering bags creates far more pollution and
> consumes far more energy than disposables.


Plastic does not biodegrade at all, they photodegrade and when they do they
release toxic compounds. Plastics are made from oil. Worldwide billions of
bags used every day. Way too many of them make it into the oceans where
they destroy marine life. Laundering bags would create no more pollution
and energy demand unless you wash them individually and not with your
underwear and t-shirts.

Paul

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:28:58 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:26:05 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2010-03-20, gloria.p > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions/solutions?
>>>
>>>When any good idea comes along, can the alarmists be far behind?
>>>
>>>Ummm...yeah. Using reusable grocery bags to store rotting road kill,
>>>then emptying them long enough to shop for bulk granola or fresh
>>>peaches, is probably not such a good idea. Like my late FIL used to
>>>say, "Gotta be smarter than the tool".
>>
>> Modern disposable shopping bags (paper and plastic) are "greener than
>> reusables".... disposables consume far less energy to manufacture, can
>> actually be reused many times and for many purposes, and are highly
>> biodegradable. Laundering bags creates far more pollution and
>> consumes far more energy than disposables.
>
>
>Plastic does not biodegrade at all, they photodegrade and when they do they
>release toxic compounds. Plastics are made from oil.

Not true. "plastic" does not necessarilly mean petrochemical... I
strongly suggest you consult a dictionary... maybe you'd be so kind as
to share your dictionary with our low IQ resident mick... vocabulary
is obviously not his forte, I don't think he has a forte.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
news
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:28:58 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:26:05 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2010-03-20, gloria.p > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions/solutions?
>>>>
>>>>When any good idea comes along, can the alarmists be far behind?
>>>>
>>>>Ummm...yeah. Using reusable grocery bags to store rotting road kill,
>>>>then emptying them long enough to shop for bulk granola or fresh
>>>>peaches, is probably not such a good idea. Like my late FIL used to
>>>>say, "Gotta be smarter than the tool".
>>>
>>> Modern disposable shopping bags (paper and plastic) are "greener than
>>> reusables".... disposables consume far less energy to manufacture, can
>>> actually be reused many times and for many purposes, and are highly
>>> biodegradable. Laundering bags creates far more pollution and
>>> consumes far more energy than disposables.
>>
>>
>>Plastic does not biodegrade at all, they photodegrade and when they do
>>they
>>release toxic compounds. Plastics are made from oil.
>
> Not true. "plastic" does not necessarilly mean petrochemical... I
> strongly suggest you consult a dictionary... maybe you'd be so kind as
> to share your dictionary with our low IQ resident mick... vocabulary
> is obviously not his forte, I don't think he has a forte.

Sho nuff I has me a vo cab u larry. Y'alls tawkin cell u loid. Which dem
rascal bags ain't a made ya heyar. Days madeupa dat petro kem ee kuls.

Paul

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:13:12 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:28:58 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:26:05 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2010-03-20, gloria.p > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions/solutions?
>>>>
>>>>When any good idea comes along, can the alarmists be far behind?
>>>>
>>>>Ummm...yeah. Using reusable grocery bags to store rotting road kill,
>>>>then emptying them long enough to shop for bulk granola or fresh
>>>>peaches, is probably not such a good idea. Like my late FIL used to
>>>>say, "Gotta be smarter than the tool".
>>>
>>> Modern disposable shopping bags (paper and plastic) are "greener than
>>> reusables".... disposables consume far less energy to manufacture, can
>>> actually be reused many times and for many purposes, and are highly
>>> biodegradable. Laundering bags creates far more pollution and
>>> consumes far more energy than disposables.
>>
>>
>>Plastic does not biodegrade at all, they photodegrade and when they do they
>>release toxic compounds. Plastics are made from oil.
>
> Not true. "plastic" does not necessarilly mean petrochemical... I
> strongly suggest you consult a dictionary... maybe you'd be so kind as
> to share your dictionary with our low IQ resident mick... vocabulary
> is obviously not his forte, I don't think he has a forte.

every grocery plastic bag i've seen is #2 recyclable plastic, which is
*not* 'highly biodegradable.' if you can back that up, do so.

i'll leave whether or not you're a low i.q. yid as an exercise for the
reader.

blake

brooklyn1 wrote:

> . Laundering bags creates far more pollution and
> consumes far more energy than disposables.

They might cause ore pollution and consume more energy if you do a load
of wash just for the bags. You can toss them into a load of laundry and
they will only use whatever detergent and water that is already being used.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:22:02 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> . Laundering bags creates far more pollution and
>> consumes far more energy than disposables.
>
>They might cause ore pollution and consume more energy if you do a load
>of wash just for the bags. You can toss them into a load of laundry and
>they will only use whatever detergent and water that is already being used.

Normal folks sort laundry... normal folks would save up enough filthy
bags to make a separate load.. may not be many extra loads in a year
but even if every three months that's still the cost of four more
washes. And most folks also use dryers. I have some of those
reusable totes, the only ones worthwhile are those that are specially
insulated for traveling with perishables.

brooklyn1 wrote:
>> They might cause ore pollution and consume more energy if you do a load
>> of wash just for the bags. You can toss them into a load of laundry and
>> they will only use whatever detergent and water that is already being used.
>
> Normal folks sort laundry... normal folks would save up enough filthy
> bags to make a separate load.. may not be many extra loads in a year
> but even if every three months that's still the cost of four more
> washes. And most folks also use dryers.

I am sure that a bag or two could fit in an appropriate load and make
next to no difference in pollution and energy use. I rarely use the
dryer. Most of my laundry gets hung on the line.

> I have some of those
> reusable totes, the only ones worthwhile are those that are specially
> insulated for traveling with perishables.


I have at least a dozen of them and keep some in my car and some in my
wife's car, so they are always available. I can usually get my weekly
shopping into 2 or 3 bags which is better than having a dozen of those
plastic shopping bags.

On Mar 20, 9:29*am, brooklyn1 > wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:26:05 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >On 2010-03-20, gloria.p > wrote:
>
> >> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> >> Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> >When any good idea comes along, can the alarmists be far behind?
>
> >Ummm...yeah. *Using reusable grocery bags to store rotting road kill,
> >then emptying them long enough to shop for bulk granola or fresh
> >peaches, is probably not such a good idea. *Like my late FIL used to
> >say, "Gotta be smarter than the tool". *
>
> Modern disposable shopping bags (paper and plastic) are "greener than
> reusables".... disposables consume far less energy to manufacture, can
> actually be reused many times and for many purposes, and are highly
> biodegradable. *Laundering bags creates far more pollution and
> consumes far more energy than disposables.

I've never used the canvas style as they don't stand up well, and do
require washing if they get anything leaky in them. But I do have a
few stiff plastic type bags that stand up like a paper bag. And if
they get a leaky item, they can be washed in the sink with a quick
spray of soap and water. The only downside is that I don't always have
a plastic grocery bag handy to scoop the kitty litter.

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2010-03-20, gloria.p > wrote:
> >
> > I just saw this in a newspaper:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
> >
> > Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> When any good idea comes along, can the alarmists be far behind?

Amen!!!
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Gumbo 3-11-2010

"gloria.p" > wrote in message
...
>
> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> gloria p

Hi Gloria,

I have gotten very good at remembering to take my own bags into the market.
I have had concerns about the bacteria they may carry. After I unload the
bags, I take them back into the garage and put them into my pickup so they
are there for the next trip. On the work bench in the garage I have a can
of Lysol spray. I can spray the bags if needed. I do not spray them every
time. Depends on what I carried in them and how long it has been since I
sprayed them. Once in a great while I wash them. When we have traveled,
some countries charge for the plastic bags. In Austria it came to about
$.35 each. While that is not a lot of money, it would certainly add up over
a year's time.

I am still surprised at how many stores will put one item into a bag. More
and more are getting good about asking if you want a bag.

I feel better about not having all of those bags here.

later,

Dale

gloria.p wrote:
>
> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> gloria p

Yes. Use common sense and take precautions, as stated in the
article. Use washable bags. Be aware of possible contamination.

--
Jean B.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently
opposed. Third, it is accepted as being
self-evident. --Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

On Mar 20, 8:17*am, "gloria.p" > wrote:
> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> gloria p

well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....

I still use the flimsy plastic bags in the meat and produce department
to put stuff in. Foods never actually
come into contact with my cloth grocery bags. Seems like common sense
to me.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:30:17 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> On Mar 20, 8:17*am, "gloria.p" > wrote:
> > I just saw this in a newspaper:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
> >
> > Any suggestions/solutions?
> >
> > gloria p
>
> well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....
>
> I still use the flimsy plastic bags in the meat and produce department
> to put stuff in. Foods never actually
> come into contact with my cloth grocery bags. Seems like common sense
> to me.

I guess some people need to be told.

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"ImStillMags" ha scritto nel messaggio
"gloria.p" > wrote:
> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> gloria p

well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....

>I still use the flimsy plastic bags in the meat and >produce department to
>put stuff in. Foods never >actually
>come into contact with my cloth grocery bags. Seems >like common sense to
>me.

So you use as many as twenty little bags to avoid using one big one?
Who buys meat that is totally unwrapped? Even my butcher wraps it in
butcher paper and string. At the supermarkets most of it is in little
sealed trays, no?

On Mar 20, 10:56*am, "Giusi" > wrote:
> "ImStillMags" *ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> *"gloria.p" > wrote:
> > I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> > Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> > gloria p
>
> well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....
>
> >I still use the flimsy plastic bags in the meat and >produce department to
> >put stuff in. *Foods never >actually
> >come into contact with my cloth grocery bags. *Seems >like common sense to
> >me.
>
> So you use as many as twenty little bags to avoid using one big one?
> Who buys meat that is totally unwrapped? *Even my butcher wraps it in
> butcher paper and string. *At the supermarkets most of it is in little
> sealed trays, no?

no, more like three or four of the little flimsy ones per trip.
Even with the sealed trays you can get leakage. Even with butcher
paper and string you can get leakage. I don't put vegetables
straight into the bags either.

The things I like about the cloth grocery bags is that they are square
and have a piece of rigid plastic in the bottom that keeps them square
and upright. The hold way more than a regular plastic grocery bag,
don't puncture and have handles that make them easy to carry.

I can get into two cloth bags which would have taken four or five
plastic bags to hold. The produce bags are
the more biodegradable ones and are actually reusable if you want to
reuse them as well.

The cloth bags fold up nicely and nest inside one cloth bag and I keep
them in the trunk of my car so I have
them at hand.

ImStillMags wrote:

> The cloth bags fold up nicely and nest inside one cloth bag and I keep
> them in the trunk of my car so I have them at hand.

If they'd only jump up and down so you remember to bring
them into the store, they'd be perfect!

nancy

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> ImStillMags wrote:
>
> > The cloth bags fold up nicely and nest inside one cloth bag and I keep
> > them in the trunk of my car so I have them at hand.
>
> If they'd only jump up and down so you remember to bring
> them into the store, they'd be perfect!
>
> nancy

<lol> Too true! HEB has signs posted in the parking lot over the cart
corrals to remind people, but I still don't always remember! It's
taking me time to get used to doing it. I really do like them better
for many reasons, one of which is that they hold a lot more so I can
make fewer trips into the house after a grocery run.
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On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:41:45 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

> ImStillMags wrote:
>
> > The cloth bags fold up nicely and nest inside one cloth bag and I keep
> > them in the trunk of my car so I have them at hand.
>
> If they'd only jump up and down so you remember to bring
> them into the store, they'd be perfect!
>
The trick is to put them by your purse so you remember to take them
out to the car. Keep them in the trunk. That way, if you forget them
your longest trip is back to the parking lot.


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On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:16:38 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>On Mar 20, 10:56*am, "Giusi" > wrote:
>> "ImStillMags" *ha scritto nel messaggio
>>
>> *"gloria.p" > wrote:
>> > I just saw this in a newspaper:
>>
>> >http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>>
>> > Any suggestions/solutions?
>>
>> > gloria p
>>
>> well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....
>>
>> >I still use the flimsy plastic bags in the meat and >produce department to
>> >put stuff in. *Foods never >actually
>> >come into contact with my cloth grocery bags. *Seems >like common sense to
>> >me.
>>
>> So you use as many as twenty little bags to avoid using one big one?
>> Who buys meat that is totally unwrapped? *Even my butcher wraps it in
>> butcher paper and string. *At the supermarkets most of it is in little
>> sealed trays, no?
>
>no, more like three or four of the little flimsy ones per trip.
>Even with the sealed trays you can get leakage. Even with butcher
>paper and string you can get leakage. I don't put vegetables
>straight into the bags either.
>
>The things I like about the cloth grocery bags is that they are square
>and have a piece of rigid plastic in the bottom that keeps them square
>and upright. The hold way more than a regular plastic grocery bag,
>don't puncture and have handles that make them easy to carry.
>
>I can get into two cloth bags which would have taken four or five
>plastic bags to hold. The produce bags are
>the more biodegradable ones and are actually reusable if you want to
>reuse them as well.
>
>The cloth bags fold up nicely and nest inside one cloth bag and I keep
>them in the trunk of my car so I have
>them at hand.

And when a package of meat leaked into a cloth bag unbeknownst to you
the next day your car will stink like something died in there.

In article >,
"Giusi" > wrote:

> "ImStillMags" ha scritto nel messaggio
> "gloria.p" > wrote:
> > I just saw this in a newspaper:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
> >
> > Any suggestions/solutions?
> >
> > gloria p
>
> well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....
>
> >I still use the flimsy plastic bags in the meat and >produce department to
> >put stuff in. Foods never >actually
> >come into contact with my cloth grocery bags. Seems >like common sense to
> >me.
>
> So you use as many as twenty little bags to avoid using one big one?
> Who buys meat that is totally unwrapped? Even my butcher wraps it in
> butcher paper and string. At the supermarkets most of it is in little
> sealed trays, no?

Some of those sealed trays leak. Those are the only ones I bag in the
meat section. :-) The rest I don't bother with.

Some produce such as winter squash does not get bagged, but if I'm
buying things like tomatoes, it does. Carrots come pre-bagged, as do my
beloved romaine hearts.

My use of the flimsy's varies as appropriate.
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On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:56:29 +0100, "Giusi" >
wrote:

> At the supermarkets most of it is in little sealed trays, no?

They often don't seal the trays very well, so the bottoms are damp.


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> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:56:29 +0100, "Giusi" >
> wrote:
>
>> At the supermarkets most of it is in little sealed trays, no?
>
> They often don't seal the trays very well, so the bottoms are damp.

You may well have a damp bottom sf, but I couldn't possibly comment <g>
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sf > wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:56:29 +0100, "Giusi" >
> wrote:
>
> > At the supermarkets most of it is in little sealed trays, no?
>
> They often don't seal the trays very well, so the bottoms are damp.

Or leaky.
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"Omelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> sf > wrote:
"Giusi" >

>> > At the supermarkets most of it is in little sealed trays, no?
>>
>> They often don't seal the trays very well, so the bottoms are damp.
>
> Or leaky.

Must be watery meat over there! Some of mine are so sealed I have to stab
them with knives to get in.

Giusi wrote:
> "ImStillMags" ha scritto nel messaggio
> > wrote:
>> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>>
>> Any suggestions/solutions?
>>
>> gloria p
>
> well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....
>
>> I still use the flimsy plastic bags in the meat and>produce department to
>> put stuff in. Foods never>actually
>> come into contact with my cloth grocery bags. Seems>like common sense to
>> me.
>
> So you use as many as twenty little bags to avoid using one big one?
> Who buys meat that is totally unwrapped? Even my butcher wraps it in
> butcher paper and string. At the supermarkets most of it is in little
> sealed trays, no?

I assume those sealed trays are the same as we have here in Aus - they
can and do leak sometimes.

As for using the reusable bags - I don't. I *want* the plastic shopping
bags, I find them very useful here, mainly to use as a bin liner in the
kitchen. But I use most of them to bag up portions of pet meat, which
then goes into the freezer.
I don't buy enough stuff in shops to keep my supplies up, so I get
friends to collect and keep 'em for me.

What gets me, I've seen on a number of occasions ppl using those
reusable bags - and yet they still buy plastic bin liners...



--
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who haven't got it - George Bernard Shaw

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:20:45 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote:

> The message >
> from "Giusi" > contains these words:
>
>> "ImStillMags" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> "gloria.p" > wrote:
>>> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>>>
>>> Any suggestions/solutions?
>>>
>>> gloria p
>
>> well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....
>
> That's the trouble with cavemen today. Instead of just dragging the
> bleeding hunks of flesh and bone back to the cave
> giving a free meal to passing flies, they expect to have their prey
> sliced, chopped and gift wrapped.
>
> I blame the parents
>
> Janet

<snort>

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:30:17 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>On Mar 20, 8:17*am, "gloria.p" > wrote:
>> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>>
>> Any suggestions/solutions?
>>
>> gloria p
>
>well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....
>
>I still use the flimsy plastic bags in the meat and produce department
>to put stuff in. Foods never actually
>come into contact with my cloth grocery bags. Seems like common sense
>to me.

Not really... why do you need a second bag?

Anyway those thin plastic bags often leak, meat juice will go right
through and through your cloth bag too... when I get groceries to my
vehicle anything that can leak goes into one of those large tupperware
containers... very handy leaving in the vehicle at all times, I've had
all sorts of other liquids leak too... you definitely don't want a jar
of pickles leaking in your car. But most groceries don't leak so
ordinary bags from the grocery work fine. I always reuse grocery
bags, I sometimes request paper but mostly I prefer plastic, those
become my garbage bags and doubled collect used cat litter... in fact
I use so many that I buy them in cartons of 1,000.

On Mar 20, 12:30*pm, ImStillMags > wrote:
> On Mar 20, 8:17*am, "gloria.p" > wrote:
>
> > I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> > Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> > gloria p
>
> well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....
>
> I still use the flimsy plastic bags in the meat and produce department
> to put stuff in. *Foods never actually
> come into contact with my cloth grocery bags. *Seems like common sense
> to me.

>
>
This is _exactly_ what I do, also.

This has nothing to do with the reusable the grocery bags, but when I
pull out one of those Clorox wipes at the door to wipe the handle of
the grocery cart, I always hang onto it. If I do get a package of
drippy meat (blech!) I wipe of my hands with the wipe after I've
placed it in one of those flimsy plastic bags.

On Mar 20, 3:47*pm, itsjoannotjoann > wrote:
> On Mar 20, 12:30*pm, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 20, 8:17*am, "gloria.p" > wrote:
>
> > > I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> > > Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> > > gloria p
>
> > well, I guess if you put raw meat directly into the bag....
>
> > I still use the flimsy plastic bags in the meat and produce department
> > to put stuff in. *Foods never actually
> > come into contact with my cloth grocery bags. *Seems like common sense
> > to me.
>
> This is *_exactly_ *what I do, also.
>
> This has nothing to do with the reusable the grocery bags, but when I
> pull out one of those Clorox wipes at the door to wipe the handle of
> the grocery cart, I always hang onto it. *If I do get a package of
> drippy meat (blech!) I wipe of my hands with the wipe after I've
> placed it in one of those flimsy plastic bags.

Good idea. those little wipes come in handy.

In article >,
"gloria.p" > wrote:

> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> Any suggestions/solutions?

I think it was all contained in the article. I'll summarize:

"Could it be possible that"

Well, yes.

"It would be smart to use a little common sense."

Why? People don't normally.

"This is not much different from washing out lunch boxes."

Or clothes. Or hands. Or unmentionables. When stuff gets dirty, you
should wash it. Or other stuff will get dirty.



I thought it was a good article. For people who use these, I would
suggest they read it.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
"gloria.p" > wrote:

> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> gloria p

Yeah. They are inexpensive so keep a good supply on hand and
wash them between uses!

Mine machine wash just fine and I always bag my produce in the produce
section anyway, and also always have used the rolls of bags in the meat
section for any packaged meats that tend to be leaky. Whole Chickens
are always well sealed.

The only meats that tend to leak on me are small packages with a lot of
blood in them such as chicken hearts and gizzards and some small cuts of
other meats. The sealed bags of chicken parts have never been a problem.
Ground meat and sausage also don't leak, but often beef or pork steaks
do so those get bagged also.

I don't see a big deal here. Common sense (which I know can be an
oxy-moron <g>) will work here.

I've been washing my bags anyway when they show any signs of visible
soiling or if I note that something has spilled in them when I go to put
groceries away...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein

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In article >,
"gloria.p" > wrote:

> I just saw this in a newspaper:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yg6alyk
>
> Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> gloria p


Sure. Ignore the article. It's what I plan to do. I wash my tote bags
every once in a while just for fun and if something has leaked in one, I
wash it for sure. I can't worry about it. Life is full of risks.

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