Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>
>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
>> it seemed worthwhile.
>>
>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
> seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>


I saw parts of it. I agree it was kind of self-righteous, but was
worth watching anyway.

Seems like he would have had more success starting with the Jr High
School, where the kids are just starting to get self-conscious about
their body image. But perhaps the Elementary School made for more
drama, and that was the real point.

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>>
>>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
>>> it seemed worthwhile.
>>>
>>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>>
>> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
>> seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
>> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
>> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>>
>
>
> I saw parts of it. I agree it was kind of self-righteous, but was worth
> watching anyway.


It took it more as frustration than self-righteousness.

After all, he IS right.


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Or the climate will do it for us.

Pinstripe Sniper wrote:

> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> it seemed worthwhile.
>
> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?

I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.

A bit like Gordon Ramsy and his "hells Kitchen" but more political.
--
JL

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:05:16 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
> wrote:

> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>
> > DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> > copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> > it seemed worthwhile.
> >
> > Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
> seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>
> A bit like Gordon Ramsy and his "hells Kitchen" but more political.

He's going to come over here and whip us into shape. HELLO, Jamie?
Have you ever heard of Alice Waters? News Flash: she's been doing
this for decades!

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

Janet Baraclough wrote:

> I haven't seen the US version, but Jamie Oliver has done something
> similar here (healthier food for kids in school)
> which has been a riproaring success (it actually changed legislation
> in this country). He has also, created a cookery course for
> teenagers in school

I saw that one, too. The resistance from the staff is remarkably the
same in both schools. And the kids, too, of course.

nancy

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:05:16 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
> wrote:

>Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>
>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
>> it seemed worthwhile.
>>
>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
>I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
>seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
>sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
>and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.

I saw most of the first episode, I think either the editing was done
deliberately to create drama (giving the audience someone to hate,
only to have that change at the end of the series, hopefully), or
Oliver is going about this the wrong way because of cultural/country
differences. Those who don't know his history in England aren't going
to understand where he's coming from, especially if he's portrayed as
someone who's coming to try to "fix what's wrong." It's only natural
that the people in that town are going to have the defensive mindset
of "who's this clown, and who does he think he is that he can come
here and tell me what to do?"

I can understand their mindset, but it's still heartbreaking to see
all the resistance he's getting. He's trying to help (and he will, if
they let him), and like another poster said, he's _right_. Fresh food
is better than processed food, and it's horrific what the school kids
are being fed because the priorities are profits for food
conglomerates, convenience for lazy parents, and less work for the
Lunch Ladies (note how they seem to think that was a a derogatory term
when it's likely a term of endearment where he comes from.)

I was heartened to see that family wanting to change, the one whose
deep fryer Oliver buried in their backyard. They must face plenty of
resistance themselves, living in that town. I imagine eating healthily
is already a challenge in our fast-food age, but doing it there has
got to be even more difficult.

Nobody wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:05:16 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
> > wrote:
>
>> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>>
>>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
>>> it seemed worthwhile.
>>>
>>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
>> seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
>> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
>> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>
> I saw most of the first episode, I think either the editing was done
> deliberately to create drama (giving the audience someone to hate,
> only to have that change at the end of the series, hopefully), or
> Oliver is going about this the wrong way because of cultural/country
> differences. Those who don't know his history in England aren't going
> to understand where he's coming from, especially if he's portrayed as
> someone who's coming to try to "fix what's wrong." It's only natural
> that the people in that town are going to have the defensive mindset
> of "who's this clown, and who does he think he is that he can come
> here and tell me what to do?"
>
> I can understand their mindset, but it's still heartbreaking to see
> all the resistance he's getting. He's trying to help (and he will, if
> they let him), and like another poster said, he's _right_. Fresh food
> is better than processed food, and it's horrific what the school kids
> are being fed because the priorities are profits for food
> conglomerates, convenience for lazy parents, and less work for the
> Lunch Ladies (note how they seem to think that was a a derogatory term
> when it's likely a term of endearment where he comes from.)
>
> I was heartened to see that family wanting to change, the one whose
> deep fryer Oliver buried in their backyard. They must face plenty of
> resistance themselves, living in that town. I imagine eating healthily
> is already a challenge in our fast-food age, but doing it there has
> got to be even more difficult.


So why didn't he enlist more help from the Baptist(?) minister?
Especially if the minister has a Seventh Day Adventist minister
buddy to consult with (don't laugh; Baptist and SDA articles of
faith are compatible, even if SDA churches seem to ignore them and
teach a gospel of nutrition instead.)

I'm gonna have to find this on hulu and watch it.

Bob

On Mar 27, 4:05*pm, Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:
> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
> > DOh! *I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
> > copy down and watch it. *I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
> > it seemed worthwhile.
>
> > Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>
> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
> seemed to me he had an awful lot of *self congratulatory "look at me"
> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>

I"ve always found him a bit full of himself.
..
> A bit like Gordon Ramsy and his "hells Kitchen" but more political.
> --
> JL

clouddreamer wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>>>
>>>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>>>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week
>>>> and it seemed worthwhile.
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>>>
>>> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and
>>> it seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look
>>> at me" sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a
>>> "sacrifice" for him and how noble he is for making the personal
>>> sacrifice to make the show.
>>
>>
>> I saw parts of it. I agree it was kind of self-righteous, but was
>> worth watching anyway.
>
>
> It took it more as frustration than self-righteousness.
>
> After all, he IS right.
>

In the very beginning of his McNugget demonstration he makes an almost
offhand and casual mention that could have easily been missed. He clearly
states that this is NOT how McNuggets are made in THIS country. I can only
assume he was referring to the US. Doesn't that make the issue somewhat
irrelevant? Though I appreciate his attempt here, he should stick to his
valid points. Kids that age aren't up to grasping the facts about the
additives and chemicals in that food. In fact, I have read that fat is
actually added to McDonalds and Burger Kings chicken (and other) products in
order to increase the cravings people have for them. In many ways it's far
more insidious.

I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
eat that crap. After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
failed before. Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
Maybe it's true. After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?

Dano wrote:
> clouddreamer wrote:
>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>>> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>>>>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week
>>>>> and it seemed worthwhile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>>>> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and
>>>> it seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look
>>>> at me" sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a
>>>> "sacrifice" for him and how noble he is for making the personal
>>>> sacrifice to make the show.
>>>
>>> I saw parts of it. I agree it was kind of self-righteous, but was
>>> worth watching anyway.
>>
>> It took it more as frustration than self-righteousness.
>>
>> After all, he IS right.
>>
>
> In the very beginning of his McNugget demonstration he makes an almost
> offhand and casual mention that could have easily been missed. He clearly
> states that this is NOT how McNuggets are made in THIS country. I can only
> assume he was referring to the US. Doesn't that make the issue somewhat
> irrelevant? Though I appreciate his attempt here, he should stick to his
> valid points. Kids that age aren't up to grasping the facts about the
> additives and chemicals in that food. In fact, I have read that fat is
> actually added to McDonalds and Burger Kings chicken (and other) products in
> order to increase the cravings people have for them. In many ways it's far
> more insidious.


I didn't get the impression he was targeting McDonalds with that
demonstration, but targeting the nuggets you buy at the supermarket -
which is what was being served in the school.

I think Oliver's audience for that demonstration was much too young.
After all, at that age, mud pies are still appetizing. He should be
targeting the 13-15 or 12-16 year old crowd who are much more concerned
about their appearance and a little more disgusted at the idea of
consuming leftover guts of a chicken. The school should have been a
junior high too.

I know I was floored when the kid from that family said he was 12!!


> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
> eat that crap. After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
> failed before. Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
> Maybe it's true. After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
> Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
>

LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.


;]



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Or the climate will do it for us.

clouddreamer wrote:
> Dano wrote:
>> clouddreamer wrote:
>>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>>> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>>>> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an
>>>>>> online copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in
>>>>>> the week and it seemed worthwhile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>>>>> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and
>>>>> it seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look
>>>>> at me" sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a
>>>>> "sacrifice" for him and how noble he is for making the personal
>>>>> sacrifice to make the show.
>>>>
>>>> I saw parts of it. I agree it was kind of self-righteous, but was
>>>> worth watching anyway.
>>>
>>> It took it more as frustration than self-righteousness.
>>>
>>> After all, he IS right.
>>>
>>
>> In the very beginning of his McNugget demonstration he makes an
>> almost offhand and casual mention that could have easily been
>> missed. He clearly states that this is NOT how McNuggets are made
>> in THIS country. I can only assume he was referring to the US. Doesn't
>> that make the issue somewhat irrelevant? Though I
>> appreciate his attempt here, he should stick to his valid points. Kids
>> that age aren't up to grasping the facts about the additives
>> and chemicals in that food. In fact, I have read that fat is
>> actually added to McDonalds and Burger Kings chicken (and other)
>> products in order to increase the cravings people have for them. In
>> many ways it's far more insidious.
>
>
> I didn't get the impression he was targeting McDonalds with that
> demonstration, but targeting the nuggets you buy at the supermarket -
> which is what was being served in the school.
>

I suppose. Slight distinction. I'm pretty sure he used the term McNuggets
which is becoming a generic term. I doubt Mickey D's would wish the
publicity of a law suit over this...which I suspect Jamie might actually
welcome. But if you don't think he's taking aim at ALL these fast food
giants, I think you are mistaken.

> I think Oliver's audience for that demonstration was much too young.
> After all, at that age, mud pies are still appetizing. He should be
> targeting the 13-15 or 12-16 year old crowd who are much more
> concerned about their appearance and a little more disgusted at the
> idea of consuming leftover guts of a chicken. The school should have
> been a junior high too.
>
> I know I was floored when the kid from that family said he was 12!!
>
>
>> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no
>> reluctance to eat that crap. After he had claimed this little
>> demonstration has never failed before. Is his point that American
>> kids are more easily brainwashed? Maybe it's true. After all...how
>> else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter and Michelles
>> Bachman and Malkin?
>
> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>
>
> ;]

Dano wrote:
> clouddreamer wrote:
>> Dano wrote:
>>> clouddreamer wrote:
>>>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>>>> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>>>>> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an
>>>>>>> online copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in
>>>>>>> the week and it seemed worthwhile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>>>>>> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and
>>>>>> it seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look
>>>>>> at me" sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a
>>>>>> "sacrifice" for him and how noble he is for making the personal
>>>>>> sacrifice to make the show.
>>>>> I saw parts of it. I agree it was kind of self-righteous, but was
>>>>> worth watching anyway.
>>>> It took it more as frustration than self-righteousness.
>>>>
>>>> After all, he IS right.
>>>>
>>> In the very beginning of his McNugget demonstration he makes an
>>> almost offhand and casual mention that could have easily been
>>> missed. He clearly states that this is NOT how McNuggets are made
>>> in THIS country. I can only assume he was referring to the US. Doesn't
>>> that make the issue somewhat irrelevant? Though I
>>> appreciate his attempt here, he should stick to his valid points. Kids
>>> that age aren't up to grasping the facts about the additives
>>> and chemicals in that food. In fact, I have read that fat is
>>> actually added to McDonalds and Burger Kings chicken (and other)
>>> products in order to increase the cravings people have for them. In
>>> many ways it's far more insidious.
>>
>> I didn't get the impression he was targeting McDonalds with that
>> demonstration, but targeting the nuggets you buy at the supermarket -
>> which is what was being served in the school.
>>
>
> I suppose. Slight distinction. I'm pretty sure he used the term McNuggets
> which is becoming a generic term. I doubt Mickey D's would wish the
> publicity of a law suit over this...which I suspect Jamie might actually
> welcome. But if you don't think he's taking aim at ALL these fast food
> giants, I think you are mistaken.


No doubt. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing.

Have you seen Food Inc?

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Or the climate will do it for us.

"clouddreamer" > wrote
>
> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>
>
> ;]

Did her book publisher send a "thank you" note yet?

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "clouddreamer" > wrote
>>
>> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
>> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>>
>>
>> ;]
>
> Did her book publisher send a "thank you" note yet?


She can write?

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Or the climate will do it for us.

On Mar 28, 10:54*am, "Dano" > wrote:

> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
> eat that crap. *After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
> failed before. *Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
> Maybe it's true. *After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
> Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?

What he said.

Of course, I'm completely on Jamie's side. Like him, I think good
Italian food is the very best thing there is in the world to eat.

On Mar 28, 11:06*am, clouddreamer > wrote:
> Dano wrote:

> > I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
> > eat that crap. *After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
> > failed before. *Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
> > Maybe it's true. *After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
> > Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
>
> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.

Is Ann Coulter Canadian?

Joseph Littleshoes > wrote in news:ee380$4bae5743$42357914
:

> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
> seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.

That's because Jamie Oliver does not fake humility.

--

"The officer corps will forgive anything they can
understand, which makes intelligence the only sin."

Carnell, Blakes 7 episode 16

"Dano" > wrote in
:

> He clearly
> states that this is NOT how McNuggets are made in THIS country. I can
> only assume he was referring to the US. Doesn't that make the issue
> somewhat irrelevant?

Whereas I would think "here" referred to the UK. Need to think outside the
box.

--

"The officer corps will forgive anything they can
understand, which makes intelligence the only sin."

Carnell, Blakes 7 episode 16

record hunter > wrote in news:f2b3b1b2-92fa-4ec4-
:

> Is Ann Coulter Canadian?

Only in the way that Osama bin Ladin is a USAian...which is NOT.

--

"The officer corps will forgive anything they can
understand, which makes intelligence the only sin."

Carnell, Blakes 7 episode 16

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
:

> Did her book publisher send a "thank you" note yet?

No, but we are collectively slated to receive a generous advance on a book
tentatively entitled: Ann Coulter: pwned by "mere Canadians"! The true
story behind the ousting of the skanky princess of Bile. As told by the
stalwart defenders of free speech within the boundaries of Canadian law.

The publishing world is already abuzz. We have had tempting offers from
Random House and Simon & Schuster but decided collectively to go with
McClelland & Stewart because it isn't about the money, it's about pwnage!

--

"The officer corps will forgive anything they can
understand, which makes intelligence the only sin."

Carnell, Blakes 7 episode 16

On Mar 28, 2:27*pm, record hunter > wrote:
> On Mar 28, 11:06*am, clouddreamer > wrote:
>
> > Dano wrote:
> > > I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
> > > eat that crap. *After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
> > > failed before. *Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
> > > Maybe it's true. *After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
> > > Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
>
> > LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
> > through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>

I don't agree with Coulter, nor do I come close to liking her.
However she has a right to be heard. I don't see that we tossed her
out on her ass. If you could provide me with a link...

> Is Ann Coulter Canadian?

sf > wrote in news:g9psq59uqiehbvbj91mb2nm6oouh27psfa@
4ax.com:

> He's going to come over here and whip us into shape.

Somebody has to.

> HELLO, Jamie?
> Have you ever heard of Alice Waters? News Flash: she's been doing
> this for decades!

And with resounding success...?

--

"The officer corps will forgive anything they can
understand, which makes intelligence the only sin."

Carnell, Blakes 7 episode 16

"Bent Attorney Esq." > wrote in news:34ead13d-
:

> I"ve always found him a bit full of himself.

By that, I read that you have found him to be sure of his talent. And
rightfully so. His Jamie at Home series is amazing...eye-opening.

--

"The officer corps will forgive anything they can
understand, which makes intelligence the only sin."

Carnell, Blakes 7 episode 16

"Bent Attorney Esq." > wrote in news:ceeb489a-
:

> However she has a right to be heard.

Then you are welcome to sit there and listen to her.

--

"The officer corps will forgive anything they can
understand, which makes intelligence the only sin."

Carnell, Blakes 7 episode 16

"Bent Attorney Esq." > wrote in news:ceeb489a-
:

> I don't see that we tossed her
> out on her ass. If you could provide me with a link...

Actually no one tossed her out on her ass. Her organizers felt that her
appearance in Ottawa placed her life in danger, or to put it another way,
they could get more press if they pretended to be afraid and backed out,
claiming they wuz robbed!, than going through with the presentation and
risking the audience might ask tough geography questions.

--

"The officer corps will forgive anything they can
understand, which makes intelligence the only sin."

Carnell, Blakes 7 episode 16

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:44:05 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

> sf > wrote in news:g9psq59uqiehbvbj91mb2nm6oouh27psfa@
> 4ax.com:
>
> > He's going to come over here and whip us into shape.
>
> Somebody has to.
>
> > HELLO, Jamie?
> > Have you ever heard of Alice Waters? News Flash: she's been doing
> > this for decades!
>
> And with resounding success...?

Exactly what has he done?

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Mar 28, 2:50*pm, Michel Boucher > wrote:
> "Bent Attorney Esq." > wrote in news:ceeb489a-
> :
>
> > However she has a right to be heard.
>
> Then you are welcome to sit there and listen to her. *
>

I don't intend to listen to her. I've heard enough of her in the
past. But I don't want her denied the right to speak.

> --
>
> "The officer corps will forgive anything they can
> understand, which makes intelligence the only sin."
>
> * * * * * * * * Carnell, Blakes 7 episode 16

record hunter wrote:
> On Mar 28, 11:06 am, clouddreamer > wrote:
>> Dano wrote:
>
>>> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
>>> eat that crap. After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
>>> failed before. Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
>>> Maybe it's true. After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
>>> Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
>> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
>> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>
> Is Ann Coulter Canadian?


God no. Someone like her would never rise to the level she is at up
here. Nobody here would tolerate her bigotry.

She got rebuked when she tried to speak at an Ottawa university. The
students would have none of it.



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Or the climate will do it for us.

sf > wrote in newsg9vq5pku8idautsgl1lp49urgk22cug37@
4ax.com:

> Exactly what has he done?

More than Alice Waters, I can assure you. Of course, the answer requires
that you read with an open mind, so we may be on the wrong track here, but
here goes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie%27s_School_Dinners

The outcome was a resounding success:

"The British Government, and Prime Minister Tony Blair promised to take
steps to improve school dinners shortly after the program aired. 271,677
people signed an online petition on the Feed Me Better website, which was
delivered to 10 Downing Street on 30 March 2005. Certain junk foods (such
as the notorious Bernard Matthews "Turkey Twizzlers" much derided on the
show) were banned from schools by their local borough or county council.
The Department for Education and Skills created the School Food Trust to
provide support and advice to improve the standard of school meals."

A year later after realizing old habits die hard, he comes back and:

"In London, meeting first with Alan Johnson, the Secretary of State for
Education and Skills, and Prime Minister Tony Blair, Jamie secures promises
of an additional £280M for 3 years, a trust to allow schools without
kitchens to build, a pledge to consider a series of training kitchens
across the country, and creation of a voluntary code of conduct concerning
advertising of junk food to children."

Booyah!

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Carnell, Blakes 7 episode 16

Bent Attorney Esq. wrote:
> On Mar 28, 2:27 pm, record hunter > wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 11:06 am, clouddreamer > wrote:
>>
>>> Dano wrote:
>>>> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
>>>> eat that crap. After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
>>>> failed before. Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
>>>> Maybe it's true. After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
>>>> Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
>>> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
>>> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>
> I don't agree with Coulter, nor do I come close to liking her.
> However she has a right to be heard.


Not if what they say is hateful. (Yeah, yeah, I know, we had to be
telepathic to know she was going to make a bigoted speech, but we would
have to be stupid to think, given her reputation, that she wasn't).



I don't see that we tossed her
> out on her ass. If you could provide me with a link...
>

Figure of speech. She wasn't able to speak.

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sf > writes:

> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:05:16 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
> > wrote:
>
>> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>>
>> > DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>> > copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week and
>> > it seemed worthwhile.
>> >
>> > Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>>
>> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and it
>> seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look at me"
>> sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a "sacrifice" for him
>> and how noble he is for making the personal sacrifice to make the show.
>>
>> A bit like Gordon Ramsy and his "hells Kitchen" but more political.
>
> He's going to come over here and whip us into shape. HELLO, Jamie?
> Have you ever heard of Alice Waters? News Flash: she's been doing
> this for decades!

Doing what? The only whipping you seem to know about is whipped
cream. If the whole of the USA lost 30% of their lard arsed overweight
butts then I worry the Earth might shift its orbit around the Sun ....

On Mar 28, 12:37*pm, clouddreamer > wrote:
> Bent Attorney Esq. wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 2:27 pm, record hunter > wrote:
> >> On Mar 28, 11:06 am, clouddreamer > wrote:
>
> >>> Dano wrote:
> >>>> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
> >>>> eat that crap. *After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
> >>>> failed before. *Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
> >>>> Maybe it's true. *After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
> >>>> Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
> >>> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
> >>> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>
> > I don't agree with Coulter, nor do I come close to liking her.
> > However she has a right to be heard. *
>
> Not if what they say is hateful.

How interesting. Does that mean your anti-Christian bigotry isn't
allowed under Canadian law?

(Yeah, yeah, I know, we had to be
> telepathic to know she was going to make a bigoted speech, but we would
> have to be stupid to think, given her reputation, that she wasn't).
>
> I don't see that we tossed her
>
> > out on her ass. *If you could provide me with a link...
>
> Figure of speech. She wasn't able to speak.
>
> * ..
>
> --
> We must change the way we live
> * * * * Or the climate will do it for us.

On Mar 28, 12:30*pm, clouddreamer > wrote:
> record hunter wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 11:06 am, clouddreamer > wrote:
> >> Dano wrote:
>
> >>> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
> >>> eat that crap. *After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
> >>> failed before. *Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
> >>> Maybe it's true. *After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
> >>> Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
> >> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
> >> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>
> > Is Ann Coulter Canadian?
>
> God no. Someone like her would never rise to the level she is at up
> here. Nobody here would tolerate her bigotry.
>
> She got rebuked when she tried to speak at an Ottawa university. The
> students would have none of it.

Yes, we all saw the fascists at work up there. Thanks for the
enlightening demonstration

>
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>
> --
> We must change the way we live
> * * * * Or the climate will do it for us.

Dano wrote:
> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
> eat that crap. After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
> failed before. Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?


They said they would eat it because they were hungry. IIRC, West
Virginia is a very poor state. Maybe they would eat anything because it
was better than not eating.

On Mar 28, 3:30*pm, clouddreamer > wrote:
> record hunter wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 11:06 am, clouddreamer > wrote:
> >> Dano wrote:
>
> >>> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
> >>> eat that crap. *After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
> >>> failed before. *Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
> >>> Maybe it's true. *After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
> >>> Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
> >> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
> >> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>
> > Is Ann Coulter Canadian?
>
> God no. Someone like her would never rise to the level she is at up
> here. Nobody here would tolerate her bigotry.
>
> She got rebuked when she tried to speak at an Ottawa university. The
> students would have none of it.
>

That shows where the students are at. Not much character there. Had
they wanted to make a point they should have challenged her to a
'civilized' debate. She would have lost, and rightly so.

> *
>
> --
> We must change the way we live
> * * * * Or the climate will do it for us.

On Mar 28, 3:37*pm, clouddreamer > wrote:
> Bent Attorney Esq. wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 2:27 pm, record hunter > wrote:
> >> On Mar 28, 11:06 am, clouddreamer > wrote:
>
> >>> Dano wrote:
> >>>> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
> >>>> eat that crap. *After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
> >>>> failed before. *Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
> >>>> Maybe it's true. *After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
> >>>> Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
> >>> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
> >>> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>
> > I don't agree with Coulter, nor do I come close to liking her.
> > However she has a right to be heard. *
>
> Not if what they say is hateful. (Yeah, yeah, I know, we had to be
> telepathic to know she was going to make a bigoted speech, but we would
> have to be stupid to think, given her reputation, that she wasn't).
>

'Hateful'? The student's actions weren't hateful? Of course they
were.

> I don't see that we tossed her
>
> > out on her ass. *If you could provide me with a link...
>
> Figure of speech. She wasn't able to speak.

The figure of speech made it sound as though she had been kicked out
of the country.

>
> * ..
>
> --
> We must change the way we live
> * * * * Or the climate will do it for us.

On Mar 28, 3:56*pm, Not Sure > wrote:
> On Mar 28, 12:30*pm, clouddreamer > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > record hunter wrote:
> > > On Mar 28, 11:06 am, clouddreamer > wrote:
> > >> Dano wrote:
>
> > >>> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
> > >>> eat that crap. *After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
> > >>> failed before. *Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
> > >>> Maybe it's true. *After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
> > >>> Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
> > >> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
> > >> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>
> > > Is Ann Coulter Canadian?
>
> > God no. Someone like her would never rise to the level she is at up
> > here. Nobody here would tolerate her bigotry.
>
> > She got rebuked when she tried to speak at an Ottawa university. The
> > students would have none of it.
>
> Yes, we all saw the fascists at work up there. Thanks for the
> enlightening demonstration
>

You are correct. Not a good display of Canadian oppression/
suppression.

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Bent Attorney Esq. wrote:
> On Mar 28, 3:30 pm, clouddreamer > wrote:
>> record hunter wrote:
>>> On Mar 28, 11:06 am, clouddreamer > wrote:
>>>> Dano wrote:
>>>>> I found it far more interesting that these little kids had no reluctance to
>>>>> eat that crap. After he had claimed this little demonstration has never
>>>>> failed before. Is his point that American kids are more easily brainwashed?
>>>>> Maybe it's true. After all...how else to explain Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck,
>>>>> Ann Coulter and Michelles Bachman and Malkin?
>>>> LOL. Well, there's the difference between Canada and the US...we saw
>>>> through Ann and tossed her out on her ass.
>>> Is Ann Coulter Canadian?
>> God no. Someone like her would never rise to the level she is at up
>> here. Nobody here would tolerate her bigotry.
>>
>> She got rebuked when she tried to speak at an Ottawa university. The
>> students would have none of it.
>>
>
> That shows where the students are at. Not much character there. Had
> they wanted to make a point they should have challenged her to a
> 'civilized' debate. She would have lost, and rightly so.


You honestly think Coulter would have actually tried to engage in a
reasonable debate?

So the students did the one thing they could. They protested.

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On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:54:13 -0400, "Dano" >
wrote:

>clouddreamer wrote:
>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>>> Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DOh! I missed it (Friday @ 9pm) but will probably track an online
>>>>> copy down and watch it. I saw the "preview" earlier in the week
>>>>> and it seemed worthwhile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did anyone see it? Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> I watched bits and pieces of it, but found it "preachy" boring and
>>>> it seemed to me he had an awful lot of self congratulatory "look
>>>> at me" sort of attitude going on, how the show was such a
>>>> "sacrifice" for him and how noble he is for making the personal
>>>> sacrifice to make the show.
>>>
>>>
>>> I saw parts of it. I agree it was kind of self-righteous, but was
>>> worth watching anyway.
>>
>>
>> It took it more as frustration than self-righteousness.
>>
>> After all, he IS right.
>>
>
>In the very beginning of his McNugget demonstration he makes an almost
>offhand and casual mention that could have easily been missed. He clearly
>states that this is NOT how McNuggets are made in THIS country. I can only
>assume he was referring to the US. Doesn't that make the issue somewhat
>irrelevant? Though I appreciate his attempt here, he should stick to his
>valid points. Kids that age aren't up to grasping the facts about the
>additives and chemicals in that food. In fact, I have read that fat is
>actually added to McDonalds and Burger Kings chicken (and other) products in
>order to increase the cravings people have for them. In many ways it's far
>more insidious.

It was a demonstration and one that worked, just not as he thought. It
shows that kids will eat anything if it's in a familiar form. As to
his demonstration working in the UK I'm guessing there was some sort
of prelude to that which taught the kids about fats and their dangers.
I noticed it when he talked about the fat/bone going into the nuggets
so I guess they do that in the UK. I can't imagine the kids would
think about it unless someone points it out to them and tells them
it's bad.

On Mar 28, 2:52*pm, Michel Boucher > wrote:
> "Bent Attorney Esq." > wrote in news:ceeb489a-
> :
>
> > I don't see that we tossed her
> > out on her ass. *If you could provide me with a link...
>
> Actually no one tossed her out on her ass.

She doesn't have an ass.