In news:rec.food.cooking, Sidney Lambe > posted
on 31 Mar 2010 23:44:42 +-0100 the following:

> On alt.food.vegan, Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 3:19=A0pm, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
> >
> > > Healthy? Look around you, fool. Do you see healthy people? Don't
> > > you know about the obesity epidemic? The diabetes epidemic? (And
> > > on and on.)
> >
> > Well, famine used to be a common occurrence. We're much healthier as
> > a species now than when death by starvation was a reality.
>
> About 16,000 children die of starvation every day around the world. A
> lot more adults than that. And scores of millions live on the edge of
> starvation.

Oh, don't say that to Cindy. She likes for people to die, or not be born
at all. She supports sterilization of those who don't want to live their
lives the way she believes they should:

,---- [ Cindy's Post ]
| From: Cindy Hamilton >
| Subject: OT healthcare reform
| Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:11:25 -0700 (PDT)
| Message-ID:
| >
| Organization: http://groups.google.com
| Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
|
| On Mar 31, 9:56+AKA-am, Damaeus > wrote:
| > In news:rec.food.cooking, Cindy Hamilton >
| > posted on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:29:31 -0700 (PDT) the following:
| >
| > > On Mar 28, 4:55+-AKA-pm, "gloria.p" > wrote:
| >
| > > > I guess I really am a socialist at heart because I believe we need to
| > > > take care of one another, especially the weakest among us.
| >
| > > I believe that everyone who is capable of taking care of himself (or
| > > herself) must do so. +AKA-Anyone who is not, by virtue of mental or
| > > physical... debilitude (yeah, that's the apt word) should not starve to
| > > death and should receive a modicum of medical care. +AKA-(Not, mind you,
| > > including fertility treatments, elective surgery, etc.)
| >
| > Some people think that those types should be sterilized by force so they
| > cannot reproduce.
|
| I think so, too, but people would scream "genocide". Not by force,
| necessarily, but by offering this choice: support yourself or be
| sterilized. If you take the public dole, then you don't get to make
| more.
|
| However, the space shuttle could pass safely through a gnat's ass
| before people would stand for that, so it's going to have to stay on
| my "When I Rule the World" list.
|
| Cindy Hamilton
`----


Damaeus
--
"Marijuana leads to homosexuality ... and therefore to AIDS."
White House Drug Czar Carlton Turner 1986

Sidney Lambe wrote:

>
> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I
> was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the place
> who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with their
> great-grandchildren all day long.

I didn't know any of those. WHen I was a kid in the 50s not many
of my classmates had grandparents who were still alive.

> The average person capable of doing hard work all day long.

Wasn't the retirement age lowered to 62 in the 50s?


> Serious diseases so rare that they were the talk of the town
when they happened.

Because most people just died without a diagnosis. Lots of deaths
were blamed on things like "probably heart attack" or "shock" (AKA stroke).

> People who only went to the doctor once every 5 years and almost no one had
> health insurance.

The doctors didn't have sophisticated testing or medications to cure
many of the illnesses anyway, and w/o health insurance people didn't
think they'd get their $10-15 worth of care so why bother?

> Almost no "rest homes" (which was what they were called then).

There were quite a few reasons for that:

1. there weren't enough people to fill the beds or make it profitable
because people didn't live long enough to need nursing home care
2. people were very adamant about wanting to "die in my own bed"
3. relatives were harshly criticized for putting someone "in a home"
4. most "rest home" patients were severely handicapped rather than elderly
5. there were few medical or welfare programs to pay the cost.

We knew two "rest home" owners and were quite familiar with the
concept and the problems involved.

gloria p

On alt.food.vegan, George Leppla > wrote:
> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>> On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >
>> wrote:
>>
>> [delete]
>>
>> Another brain-dead vidiot who just believes whatever the TV
>> tells him.
>>
>> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I
>> was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the place
>> who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with their
>> great-grandchildren all day long.. The average person capable
>> of doing hard work all day long. Serious diseases so rare that
>> they were the talk of the town when they happenned. People who
>> only went to the doctor once every 5 years and almost no one had
>> health insurance. Almost no "rest homes" (which was what they
>> were called then).
>

> Let's look at some facts.
>
> In 1950, average life expectancy was 65.5 years for men, 71
> years for women ( http://aging.senate.gov/crs/aging1.pdf page
> 6) In 2006, average life expectancy for men was 75.4 years and
> for women it was 80.7 years.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...cle/2008/06/11
> /AR2008061101570.html
>
> I'll do the math for you..... people now are living 10 years
> longer than they did back in the 50's.
>
> The "good old days" weren't always so good.
>
> George L

You actually believe what the government publishes. That's
incredible.

I didn't say the 50's were perfect. They were far from it.
But people were a lot healthier then.

Sid

On 01/04/2010 06:08, Sidney Lambe wrote:
> On alt.food.vegan, George > wrote:
>> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>>> On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> [delete]
>>>
>>> Another brain-dead vidiot who just believes whatever the TV
>>> tells him.
>>>
>>> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I
>>> was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the place
>>> who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with their
>>> great-grandchildren all day long.. The average person capable
>>> of doing hard work all day long. Serious diseases so rare that
>>> they were the talk of the town when they happenned. People who
>>> only went to the doctor once every 5 years and almost no one had
>>> health insurance. Almost no "rest homes" (which was what they
>>> were called then).
>>
>
>> Let's look at some facts.
>>
>> In 1950, average life expectancy was 65.5 years for men, 71
>> years for women ( http://aging.senate.gov/crs/aging1.pdf page
>> 6) In 2006, average life expectancy for men was 75.4 years and
>> for women it was 80.7 years.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...cle/2008/06/11
>> /AR2008061101570.html
>>
>> I'll do the math for you..... people now are living 10 years
>> longer than they did back in the 50's.
>>
>> The "good old days" weren't always so good.
>>
>> George L
>
> You actually believe what the government publishes. That's
> incredible.
>
> I didn't say the 50's were perfect. They were far from it.
> But people were a lot healthier then.

Or dead.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax > wrote:

[delete]

We disagree. That's fine. I am not spending the rest of my life
arguing with you.

Yes. There are people who not only disagree with you, but think
you are an ignorant and gullible fool who believes anything
some government agency or university publishes on any Media.

Go away.

<plonk>

Sid

Sidney Lambe wrote:
> On alt.food.vegan, George Leppla > wrote:
>> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>>> On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> [delete]
>>>
>>> Another brain-dead vidiot who just believes whatever the TV
>>> tells him.
>>>
>>> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I
>>> was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the place
>>> who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with their
>>> great-grandchildren all day long.. The average person capable
>>> of doing hard work all day long. Serious diseases so rare that
>>> they were the talk of the town when they happenned. People who
>>> only went to the doctor once every 5 years and almost no one had
>>> health insurance. Almost no "rest homes" (which was what they
>>> were called then).
>
>> Let's look at some facts.
>>
>> In 1950, average life expectancy was 65.5 years for men, 71
>> years for women ( http://aging.senate.gov/crs/aging1.pdf page
>> 6) In 2006, average life expectancy for men was 75.4 years and
>> for women it was 80.7 years.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...cle/2008/06/11
>> /AR2008061101570.html
>>
>> I'll do the math for you..... people now are living 10 years
>> longer than they did back in the 50's.
>>
>> The "good old days" weren't always so good.
>>
>> George L
>
> You actually believe what the government publishes. That's
> incredible.


OK... then go out and find some independent research and prove these
number wrong. I'll wait.....

You made the point, now back it up with facts.

George L

gloria.p wrote:
> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
>> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I
>> was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the place
>> who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with their
>> great-grandchildren all day long.
>
> I didn't know any of those. WHen I was a kid in the 50s not many
> of my classmates had grandparents who were still alive.

I was a kid in the 1960s. I remember one of my great grandmothers and I
remember the funerals of two of them. There were a lot of grandparents
around playing with their kids. I'm lucky that both of my parents are
still alive and they spend plenty of time with their great gandchildren.

> Because most people just died without a diagnosis. Lots of deaths
> were blamed on things like "probably heart attack" or "shock" (AKA stroke).
....
>> People who only went to the doctor once every 5 years and almost no one had
>> health insurance.
>
> The doctors didn't have sophisticated testing or medications to cure
> many of the illnesses anyway, and w/o health insurance people didn't
> think they'd get their $10-15 worth of care so why bother?

I wonder how much of the increase in US health care costs is from so
much care moving from impossible so not tried to possible so given
vast funding. And how much is is from an overall system that pays more
for more service.

On 01/04/2010 19:12, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
> I don't care what you or any of the other gullible sheep who
> believe anything some corporate-controlled government agencey
> or corporate-controlled scientific institution publishes think.

Obviously you do, or you would not be arguing.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

On alt.food.vegan, George Leppla > wrote:
> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>> On alt.food.vegan, George Leppla > wrote:
>>> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>>>> On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [delete]
>>>>
>>>> Another brain-dead vidiot who just believes whatever the TV
>>>> tells him.
>>>>
>>>> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I
>>>> was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the place
>>>> who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with their
>>>> great-grandchildren all day long.. The average person capable
>>>> of doing hard work all day long. Serious diseases so rare that
>>>> they were the talk of the town when they happenned. People who
>>>> only went to the doctor once every 5 years and almost no one had
>>>> health insurance. Almost no "rest homes" (which was what they
>>>> were called then).
>>
>>> Let's look at some facts.
>>>
>>> In 1950, average life expectancy was 65.5 years for men, 71
>>> years for women ( http://aging.senate.gov/crs/aging1.pdf page
>>> 6) In 2006, average life expectancy for men was 75.4 years and
>>> for women it was 80.7 years.
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...cle/2008/06/11
>>> /AR2008061101570.html
>>>
>>> I'll do the math for you..... people now are living 10 years
>>> longer than they did back in the 50's.
>>>
>>> The "good old days" weren't always so good.
>>>
>>> George L
>>
>> You actually believe what the government publishes. That's
>> incredible.
>
>
> OK... then go out and find some independent research and prove these
> number wrong. I'll wait.....

I don't care what you or any of the other gullible sheep who
believe anything some corporate-controlled government agencey
or corporate-controlled scientific institution publishes think.

> You made the point, now back it up with facts.

The facts _I_ deal with are derived from observing the real
world.

I don't let anyone think for me.

I see the government and scientific institutions telling everyone:
The Miracle of Scientific Technological Medicine has resulted
in The Healthiest People Who Have Ever Lived On The Planet.

All Hail Farther Darwin and His Only Begotten Son, Our Savior
Technology!

And I look around me and see _very_ unhealthy people everywhere.

I can tell the difference between commercials and reality.

Sid

GreenXenon wrote:
>

> I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> amounts optimum for human health.

> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> her from perceiving the noxious flavors.

LMAO!
How silly! Why not just swallow a stomach sponge (in capsule form) that
won't dissolve too quickly , then take mega vitamins and drink water to
expand the sponge and make you feel full.

Problem is....no fun! Cooking and eating are a great pleasure in most
peoples lives. Also the together-time spent together during a meal. In
many families, meals are the only time they spend together.

I personally *enjoy* time spent cooking a good meal. And I definitely enjoy
looking forward to the next different meal...not some bad tasting mess that
will merely keep me alive. From day to day, I enjoy the variety of choices.

Your idea....although it could be done...is just a bad one. If you eat the
same bad tasting mess each meal to keep you alive, it won't help you live
longer...it will just seem like you do.

As for me, I'm going to die someday.....maybe sooner, hopefully later. I'll
tell you this though - I *AM* going to enjoy the journey. And I do have the
urge for different tastes each and every day.

"Variety is the spice of life," dude!

:-D

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