Hi:

Please join my yahoo health group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/

I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
amounts optimum for human health.

This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.

This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
the back of the tongue.

Prior to the making of this product, all proteins & fats are pre-
digested completely, and the following substances are completely
removed from the organisms:

1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
as fibers are also removed completely.
2. Unhealthy amino acids
3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
body]
4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
fatty acids]
6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
necessary for – health.

All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.

To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
consumed to make up for this loss.

The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.

This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
hypothetical diet.

It is important to understand that this product will initially not
satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.

To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
acids & glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
drinking water are added.

There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.

If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
price.

What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.

If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
living solely off it.


Regards,

Green Xenon

On Mar 28, 3:26*pm, GreenXenon > wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health group:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>
> I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> amounts optimum for human health.
>
> This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
> synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
> health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
> organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
> important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
> organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>
> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
> enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
> consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
> especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
> drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
> entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
> peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
> the back of the tongue.
>
> Prior to the making of this product, all proteins & fats are pre-
> digested completely, and the following substances are completely
> removed from the organisms:
>
> 1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
> bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
> at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
> during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
> are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
> also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
> add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
> as fibers are also removed completely.
> 2. Unhealthy amino acids
> 3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
> body]
> 4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
> 5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
> fatty acids]
> 6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
> necessary for – health.
>
> All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
> Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.
>
> To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
> thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
> somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
> chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
> decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
> deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
> causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
> should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
> as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
> balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
> stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
> The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
> keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
> potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
> making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
> consumed to make up for this loss.
>
> The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.
>
> This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
> bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
> are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
> morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
> are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
> should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
> should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
> link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
> the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
> This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
> hypothetical diet.
>
> It is important to understand that this product will initially not
> satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
> decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.
>
> To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
> molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
> way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
> acids & glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
> substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
> drinking water are added.
>
> There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
> broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
> to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
> health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.
>
> If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
> just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
> theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
> price.
>
> What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
> product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
> biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
> smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.
>
> If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
> living solely off it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Green Xenon


Alternatively join http://groups.google.com/group/healt...743b7520?hl=en

On Mar 28, 4:48*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> GreenXenon wrote:
>
> > This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> > likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> > included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> > friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> > gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> > her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
>
> It is at this point that the train
> leaves the tracks. *Nice try, though.
>
> By the way, what you describe sounds
> a lot like Aojiru.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aojiru
>
> I like the part about drinking Aojiru
> being used as a punishment on Japanese
> TV game shows.


It's good for you and you can't taste because your mouth will be
protected. To live the longest possible, just live off this
hypothetical product and perform the optimum amounts & intensities of
cardiovascular, aerobic, and stretch exercises.

It depends upon whether you are talking about the healthiest for an
individual or for mankind in its entirety. I do not even pretemd to know
what it is for an individual.

As for all of mankind, we need a volunteer of to literally eat
GreenXenon so that that curse is removed from polluting all of mankind.

Bill

--
An old man would be better off never having been born.

In article
>,
GreenXenon > wrote:

> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health group:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>
> I¹m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> amounts optimum for human health.
>
At the risk of feeding a troll, let me set a few things straight. We
still don't know every last compound our bodies need and in what amounts
we need them for optimum health. By consuming only that which is
pre-digested, you are risking atrophy of your gastrointestinal tract.
This is not a good thing, because your gut is a major defender against
disease between the barrier function of the intestinal epithelium, white
blood cells in the lymph nodes that surround the gut, and the acid
secreted by the stomach. The beneficial microbes in the colon feed on
the undigested soluble dietary fiber and other compounds. If you
eliminate these bacterial nutrients, you set yourself up for bacterial
infection by nasty microbes.

Bottom line: Learn to cook and eat real food, not some canned
concoction.

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.food.vegan.] On alt.food.vegan,

GreenXenon > wrote:

> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health group:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hea lthiest_Food_Possible/
>
> Im currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that
> is vegan- friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables,
> fruits, herbs, algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal
> organisms that are Green Xenon

[delete]

You are either simply deranged, considering that a nice garden is
much simpler and more efficient and yields much more
nutritional and tasty products.

Or you have a deranged and lame sense of humor.

Either way, that long and stupid article was a waste of time
to read.

Sid

GreenXenon wrote:
>
> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm

It is at this point that the train
leaves the tracks. Nice try, though.

By the way, what you describe sounds
a lot like Aojiru.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aojiru

I like the part about drinking Aojiru
being used as a punishment on Japanese
TV game shows.

On Mar 28, 4:36*pm, Cindy Fuller >
wrote:


> At the risk of feeding a troll, let me set a few things straight. *We
> still don't know every last compound our bodies need and in what amounts
> we need them for optimum health. *


We don't know the exact amount but we don't need that. One can
estimate given the food group suggestion -- for examples 5-7
vegetables a day.


> By consuming only that which is
> pre-digested, you are risking atrophy of your gastrointestinal tract.
> This is not a good thing, because your gut is a major defender against
> disease between the barrier function of the intestinal epithelium, white
> blood cells in the lymph nodes that surround the gut, and the acid
> secreted by the stomach. *


The muscles of the GI are still contracting/relaxing to move food
around. So why would the GI atrophy?


> The beneficial microbes in the colon feed on
> the undigested soluble dietary fiber and other compounds. *If you
> eliminate these bacterial nutrients, you set yourself up for bacterial
> infection by nasty microbes.


No offense but please read the message properly -- "Fermentable fibers
[such as inulin] are not removed at all". So beneficial microbes *do*
get the nutrients they need.


> Bottom line: *Learn to cook and eat real food, not some canned
> concoction.


If you read carefully, you'll see that this product is real food. Real
food with the non-beneficial, unnecessary substances removed.

On Mar 28, 5:57*pm, GreenXenon > wrote:
> On Mar 28, 4:36*pm, Cindy Fuller >
> wrote:
>
> > At the risk of feeding a troll, let me set a few things straight. *We
> > still don't know every last compound our bodies need and in what amounts
> > we need them for optimum health. *
>
> We don't know the exact amount but we don't need that. One can
> estimate given the food group suggestion -- for examples 5-7
> vegetables a day.
>
> > By consuming only that which is
> > pre-digested, you are risking atrophy of your gastrointestinal tract.
> > This is not a good thing, because your gut is a major defender against
> > disease between the barrier function of the intestinal epithelium, white
> > blood cells in the lymph nodes that surround the gut, and the acid
> > secreted by the stomach. *
>
> The muscles of the GI are still contracting/relaxing to move food
> around. So why would the GI atrophy?
>
> > The beneficial microbes in the colon feed on
> > the undigested soluble dietary fiber and other compounds. *If you
> > eliminate these bacterial nutrients, you set yourself up for bacterial
> > infection by nasty microbes.
>
> No offense but please read the message properly -- "Fermentable fibers
> [such as inulin] are not removed at all". So beneficial microbes *do*
> get the nutrients they need.
>
> > Bottom line: *Learn to cook and eat real food, not some canned
> > concoction.
>
> If you read carefully, you'll see that this product is real food. Real
> food with the non-beneficial, unnecessary substances removed.


This product is as healthy as one can get. Too bad, no one is making
such a product -- and even if they did, they would stock up the price
so high that only multi-millionaires could afford it.

This is so frustrating!!!! I want to live LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But
economics won't let me.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:06:10 -0700 (PDT), GreenXenon
> wrote:

>On Mar 28, 5:57*pm, GreenXenon > wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 4:36*pm, Cindy Fuller >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > At the risk of feeding a troll, let me set a few things straight. *We
>> > still don't know every last compound our bodies need and in what amounts
>> > we need them for optimum health. *
>>
>> We don't know the exact amount but we don't need that. One can
>> estimate given the food group suggestion -- for examples 5-7
>> vegetables a day.
>>
>> > By consuming only that which is
>> > pre-digested, you are risking atrophy of your gastrointestinal tract.
>> > This is not a good thing, because your gut is a major defender against
>> > disease between the barrier function of the intestinal epithelium, white
>> > blood cells in the lymph nodes that surround the gut, and the acid
>> > secreted by the stomach. *
>>
>> The muscles of the GI are still contracting/relaxing to move food
>> around. So why would the GI atrophy?
>>
>> > The beneficial microbes in the colon feed on
>> > the undigested soluble dietary fiber and other compounds. *If you
>> > eliminate these bacterial nutrients, you set yourself up for bacterial
>> > infection by nasty microbes.
>>
>> No offense but please read the message properly -- "Fermentable fibers
>> [such as inulin] are not removed at all". So beneficial microbes *do*
>> get the nutrients they need.
>>
>> > Bottom line: *Learn to cook and eat real food, not some canned
>> > concoction.
>>
>> If you read carefully, you'll see that this product is real food. Real
>> food with the non-beneficial, unnecessary substances removed.
>
>
>This product is as healthy as one can get. Too bad, no one is making
>such a product -- and even if they did, they would stock up the price
>so high that only multi-millionaires could afford it.


The most healthful diet costs very little... consists of raisin bran
and breast milk.

In a demented moment, GreenXenon wrote:
>
> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> her from perceiving the noxious flavors.

LOL! This product wouldn't make you live longer.
It would just seem like you do.

"I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, sex and rich food.
He was healthy right up to the time he killed himself."
- Johnny Carson

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On 28/03/2010 23:26, GreenXenon wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>
> I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> amounts optimum for human health.
>
> This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
> synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
> health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
> organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
> important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
> organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>
> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
> enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
> consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
> especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
> drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
> entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
> peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
> the back of the tongue.
>
> Prior to the making of this product, all proteins& fats are pre-
> digested completely, and the following substances are completely
> removed from the organisms:
>
> 1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
> bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
> at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
> during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
> are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
> also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
> add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
> as fibers are also removed completely.
> 2. Unhealthy amino acids
> 3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
> body]
> 4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
> 5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
> fatty acids]
> 6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
> necessary for – health.
>
> All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
> Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.
>
> To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
> thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
> somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
> chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
> decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
> deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
> causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
> should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
> as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
> balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
> stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
> The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
> keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
> potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
> making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
> consumed to make up for this loss.
>
> The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.
>
> This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
> bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
> are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
> morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
> are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
> should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
> should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
> link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
> the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
> This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
> hypothetical diet.
>
> It is important to understand that this product will initially not
> satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
> decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.
>
> To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
> molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
> way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
> acids& glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
> substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
> drinking water are added.
>
> There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
> broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
> to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
> health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.
>
> If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
> just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
> theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
> price.
>
> What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
> product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
> biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
> smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.
>
> If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
> living solely off it.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Green Xenon

Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their lives by 43%

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

On Mar 28, 7:06*pm, GreenXenon > wrote:
> On Mar 28, 5:57*pm, GreenXenon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 4:36*pm, Cindy Fuller >
> > wrote:
>
> > > At the risk of feeding a troll, let me set a few things straight. *We
> > > still don't know every last compound our bodies need and in what amounts
> > > we need them for optimum health. *
>
> > We don't know the exact amount but we don't need that. One can
> > estimate given the food group suggestion -- for examples 5-7
> > vegetables a day.
>
> > > By consuming only that which is
> > > pre-digested, you are risking atrophy of your gastrointestinal tract.
> > > This is not a good thing, because your gut is a major defender against
> > > disease between the barrier function of the intestinal epithelium, white
> > > blood cells in the lymph nodes that surround the gut, and the acid
> > > secreted by the stomach. *
>
> > The muscles of the GI are still contracting/relaxing to move food
> > around. So why would the GI atrophy?
>
> > > The beneficial microbes in the colon feed on
> > > the undigested soluble dietary fiber and other compounds. *If you
> > > eliminate these bacterial nutrients, you set yourself up for bacterial
> > > infection by nasty microbes.
>
> > No offense but please read the message properly -- "Fermentable fibers
> > [such as inulin] are not removed at all". So beneficial microbes *do*
> > get the nutrients they need.
>
> > > Bottom line: *Learn to cook and eat real food, not some canned
> > > concoction.
>
> > If you read carefully, you'll see that this product is real food. Real
> > food with the non-beneficial, unnecessary substances removed.
>
> This product is as healthy as one can get. Too bad, no one is making
> such a product -- and even if they did, they would stock up the price
> so high that only multi-millionaires could afford it.
>
> This is so frustrating!!!! I want to live LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But
> economics won't let me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I hate to break it to you dude.......there is no magic pill, no magic
formula. And real food has no non benificial or unnecessary
substances. The body takes what it needs and passes the rest through
the gut and the fiber cleans the gut on the way out.
Nothing really goes to waste, it all has a purpose.

Just eat fresh whole live foods. That's the best and healthiest
'diet'.

GreenXenon wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health group: http://health.groups.yah00.com/group...Food_P0ssible/

So is this a legitimate question, or merely a plug for your group?

> Im currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health.

You've already made up your mind and severely limited your options for
no nutritionally logical reason, with the vegan-only requirement. One
thing I have learned, is rigidly sticking to any particular ideology
ultimately proves to be flawed.

If you are truly dedicated to the idea of the "healthiest diet
possible", then at least keep an open mind and consider at least some
things that are superior to vegan equivalents.

This site will give you a very good start: http://www.westonaprice.org
That's assuming you're actually serious about your claimed goal...


--
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who haven't got it - George Bernard Shaw

On Mar 29, 7:38*pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >
wrote:
> On 28/03/2010 23:26, GreenXenon wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi:
>
> > Please join my yahoo health group:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>
> > I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> > friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> > algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> > necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> > essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> > amounts optimum for human health.
>
> > This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
> > synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
> > health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
> > organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
> > important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
> > organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>
> > This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> > likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> > included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> > friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> > gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> > her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
> > enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
> > consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
> > especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
> > drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
> > entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
> > peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
> > the back of the tongue.
>
> > Prior to the making of this product, all proteins& *fats are pre-
> > digested completely, and the following substances are completely
> > removed from the organisms:
>
> > 1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
> > bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
> > at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
> > during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
> > are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
> > also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
> > add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
> > as fibers are also removed completely.
> > 2. Unhealthy amino acids
> > 3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
> > body]
> > 4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
> > 5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
> > fatty acids]
> > 6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
> > necessary for – health.
>
> > All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
> > Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.
>
> > To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
> > thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
> > somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
> > chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
> > decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
> > deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
> > causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
> > should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
> > as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
> > balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
> > stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
> > The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
> > keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
> > potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
> > making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
> > consumed to make up for this loss.
>
> > The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.
>
> > This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
> > bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
> > are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
> > morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
> > are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
> > should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
> > should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
> > link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
> > the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
> > This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
> > hypothetical diet.
>
> > It is important to understand that this product will initially not
> > satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
> > decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.
>
> > To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
> > molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
> > way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
> > acids& *glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
> > substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
> > drinking water are added.
>
> > There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
> > broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
> > to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
> > health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.
>
> > If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
> > just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
> > theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
> > price.
>
> > What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
> > product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
> > biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
> > smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.
>
> > If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
> > living solely off it.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Green Xenon
>
> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their lives by 43%

Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy wrote on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT):

> On Mar 29, 7:38 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> > wrote:

>>
>> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their
>> lives by 43%

> Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?

It might be a bit like saying that a vegetarian diet won't extend your
life, it will just seem that way.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On 30/03/2010 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Mar 29, 7:38 pm, Dirk Bruere at >
> wrote:
>> On 28/03/2010 23:26, GreenXenon wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi:
>>
>>> Please join my yahoo health group:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>>
>>> I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
>>> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
>>> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
>>> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
>>> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
>>> amounts optimum for human health.
>>
>>> This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
>>> synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
>>> health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
>>> organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
>>> important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
>>> organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>>
>>> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
>>> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
>>> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
>>> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
>>> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
>>> her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
>>> enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
>>> consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
>>> especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
>>> drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
>>> entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
>>> peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
>>> the back of the tongue.
>>
>>> Prior to the making of this product, all proteins& fats are pre-
>>> digested completely, and the following substances are completely
>>> removed from the organisms:
>>
>>> 1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
>>> bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
>>> at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
>>> during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
>>> are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
>>> also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
>>> add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
>>> as fibers are also removed completely.
>>> 2. Unhealthy amino acids
>>> 3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
>>> body]
>>> 4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
>>> 5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
>>> fatty acids]
>>> 6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
>>> necessary for – health.
>>
>>> All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
>>> Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.
>>
>>> To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
>>> thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
>>> somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
>>> chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
>>> decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
>>> deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
>>> causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
>>> should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
>>> as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
>>> balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
>>> stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
>>> The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
>>> keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
>>> potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
>>> making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
>>> consumed to make up for this loss.
>>
>>> The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.
>>
>>> This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
>>> bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
>>> are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
>>> morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
>>> are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
>>> should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
>>> should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
>>> link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
>>> the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
>>> This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
>>> hypothetical diet.
>>
>>> It is important to understand that this product will initially not
>>> satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
>>> decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.
>>
>>> To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
>>> molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
>>> way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
>>> acids& glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
>>> substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
>>> drinking water are added.
>>
>>> There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
>>> broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
>>> to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
>>> health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.
>>
>>> If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
>>> just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
>>> theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
>>> price.
>>
>>> What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
>>> product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
>>> biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
>>> smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.
>>
>>> If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
>>> living solely off it.
>>
>>> Regards,
>>
>>> Green Xenon
>>
>> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their lives by 43%
>
> Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Probably.
Giving them a pleasant environment also extends life

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

On alt.food.vegan, James Silverton > wrote:
> Cindy wrote on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT):
>
>> On Mar 29, 7:38 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>> > wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their
>>> lives by 43%
>
>> Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?
>
> It might be a bit like saying that a vegetarian diet won't extend your
> life, it will just seem that way.

Mindless, sophomoric mockery. Lame. Used by people who know they
are in the wrong and so are attempting to use brute force to
get others to think like they do.

That's one of the two key elements (lies) of carny propaganda:
'Only animal products taste good.'

What tastes good to a person is obviously due to cultural conditioning.

All over the world people pay exorbitant prices for what they
consider to be delicacies. Foods that even the idea of consuming
makes Westerners ill. Like insects of various kinds and fermented
(rotted) plant dishes; pickled bird embryos on the verge of
hatching...

Herbies have rejected Western dietary conditioning and learned
to appreciate a different cuisine. It's not difficult. Over
95% of the food dishes prepared around the world are herby
('vegan').

The other main element (lie) of carny propaganda is: "Only animal
products will make you healthy and strong."

Oh yeh? What makes the powerful muscles of the bull and the
stallion?

Vegetable protein from seeds, mostly grains (grasss) and legumes
(peas).

No, the parts of their digestive systems that are different
from ours have nothing to do with proteins. They are for
breaking down cellulose (from plant stalks) into starch.

I love to eat. The sight or smell of raw or cooking or
cooked animal products makes me ill.

I don't see how anyone can eat such ugly things.

Sid

On alt.food.vegan, Cindy Hamilton >
wrote:

> On Mar 30, 12:54=A0pm, Sidney Lambe
> > wrote:
>
>> On alt.food.vegan, James Silverton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > =A0Cindy =A0wrote =A0on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:37:34 -0700
>> > (PDT):
>>
>> >> On Mar 29, 7:38 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >>> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their
>> >>> lives by 43%
>>
>> >> Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?
>>
>> > It might be a bit like saying that a =A0vegetarian diet
>> > won't extend yo=
>
> ur
>
>> > life, it will just seem that way.
>>
>> Mindless, sophomoric mockery. Lame. Used by people who know
>> they are in the wrong and so are attempting to use brute force
>> to get others to think like they do.
>>
>> That's one of the two key elements (lies) of carny propaganda:
>> 'Only animal products taste good.'
>>
>> What tastes good to a person is obviously due to cultural
>> conditioning.
>>
>> All over the world people pay exorbitant prices for what
>> they consider to be delicacies. Foods that even the idea of
>> consuming makes Westerners ill. Like insects of various kinds
>> and fermented (rotted) plant dishes; pickled bird embryos on
>> the verge of hatching...
>>
>> Herbies have rejected Western dietary conditioning and learned
>> to appreciate a different cuisine. It's not difficult. Over
>> 95% of the food dishes prepared around the world are herby
>> ('vegan').
>>
>> The other main element (lie) of carny propaganda is: "Only
>> animal products will make you healthy and strong."
>>
>> Oh yeh? What makes the powerful muscles of the bull and the
>> stallion?
>>
>> Vegetable protein from seeds, mostly grains (grasss) and
>> legumes (peas).
>>
>> No, the parts of their digestive systems that are different
>> from ours have nothing to do with proteins. They are for
>> breaking down cellulose (from plant stalks) into starch.
>>
>> I love to eat. The sight or smell of raw or cooking or cooked
>> animal products makes me ill.
>
> Well, that's your neurosis.
>
>> I don't see how anyone can eat such ugly things.
>>
>> Sid
>
> How pleasant for you. However, we evolved to be omnivores,

That's a theory, not fact.

> and that's the best diet for us. Not necessarily in the
> proportions enjoyed by most Americans, but omnivorous
> nevertheless.

Wrong.

The overwhelming majority of the primates are herbivores. And
even according to the _theory_ of evolution, those are our roots.

> It's only recently that H. sapiens has had the luxury of
> pursuing odd dietary regimens.i

Garbage.

> Ponder that while you dine.

Your gullibility is what I will ponder.

Some people just believe everything they see on TV or that's
printed in some public school or college textbook.

They don't understand just how thoroughly politics and
economics corrupt historians and scientists.

Sid

On alt.food.vegan, Cindy Hamilton >
wrote:

> On Mar 30, 12:54=A0pm, Sidney Lambe
> > wrote:
>
>> On alt.food.vegan, James Silverton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > =A0Cindy =A0wrote =A0on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:37:34 -0700
>> > (PDT):
>>
>> >> On Mar 29, 7:38 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >>> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their
>> >>> lives by 43%
>>
>> >> Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?
>>
>> > It might be a bit like saying that a =A0vegetarian diet
>> > won't extend your life, it will just seem that way.
>>
>> Mindless, sophomoric mockery. Lame. Used by people who know
>> they are in the wrong and so are attempting to use brute force
>> to get others to think like they do.
>>
>> That's one of the two key elements (lies) of carny propaganda:
>> 'Only animal products taste good.'
>>
>> What tastes good to a person is obviously due to cultural
>> conditioning.
>>
>> All over the world people pay exorbitant prices for what
>> they consider to be delicacies. Foods that even the idea of
>> consuming makes Westerners ill. Like insects of various kinds
>> and fermented (rotted) plant dishes; pickled bird embryos on
>> the verge of hatching...
>>
>> Herbies have rejected Western dietary conditioning and learned
>> to appreciate a different cuisine. It's not difficult. Over
>> 95% of the food dishes prepared around the world are herby
>> ('vegan').
>>
>> The other main element (lie) of carny propaganda is: "Only
>> animal products will make you healthy and strong."
>>
>> Oh yeh? What makes the powerful muscles of the bull and the
>> stallion?
>>
>> Vegetable protein from seeds, mostly grains (grasss) and
>> legumes (peas).
>>
>> No, the parts of their digestive systems that are different
>> from ours have nothing to do with proteins. They are for
>> breaking down cellulose (from plant stalks) into starch.
>>
>> I love to eat. The sight or smell of raw or cooking or cooked
>> animal products makes me ill.
>
> Well, that's your neurosis.
>
>> I don't see how anyone can eat such ugly things.
>>
>> Sid
>
> How pleasant for you. However, we evolved to be omnivores,
Garbage. That's a _theory_.

Right now, we know of over 2000 species of wild edible plants
in western North America.

So here you have this 'primitive man' sitting around in a
natural paradise that is essentially a self-tending garden.

And one day he/she wakes up and says to him/herself "Gee, it's
just too easy and safe to eat. All I have to do is walk around
in the pretty woods and meadows and gather all the food I want.

"I think I'll start eating things that don't want to be eaten and
run and hide and fight back. That big and dangerous predators
already regard as their rightful prey and property. Pretty
creatures of which there aren't very many of that I like having
around and being on good terms with.

"That way I can spend half or more of every day doing hard and
dangrous work related to eating instead of pursuing arts and
sciences and devoting energy to making useful things and just
enjoying life. And maybe die or be crippled in the process."

That's what the carnies and their bought-and-paid-for
'scientists' want us to believe happenned in the distant past.

[delete]

Sid

On alt.food.vegan, ImStillMags > wrote:
> On Mar 30, 12:48=A0pm, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
>> On alt.food.vegan, Cindy Hamilton >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mar 30, 12:54=3DA0pm, Sidney Lambe
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> >> On alt.food.vegan, James Silverton
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> > =3DA0Cindy =3DA0wrote =3DA0on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:37:34 -0700
>> >> > (PDT):
>>
>> >> >> On Mar 29, 7:38 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>> >> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their
>> >> >>> lives by 43%
>>
>> >> >> Yes, but did they really enjoy those extra months?
>>
>> >> > It might be a bit like saying that a =3DA0vegetarian diet
>> >> > won't extend yo=3D
>>
>> > ur
>>
>> >> > life, it will just seem that way.
>>
>> >> Mindless, sophomoric mockery. Lame. Used by people who know
>> >> they are in the wrong and so are attempting to use brute force
>> >> to get others to think like they do.
>>
>> >> That's one of the two key elements (lies) of carny propaganda:
>> >> 'Only animal products taste good.'
>>
>> >> What tastes good to a person is obviously due to cultural
>> >> conditioning.
>>
>> >> All over the world people pay exorbitant prices for what
>> >> they consider to be delicacies. Foods that even the idea of
>> >> consuming makes Westerners ill. Like insects of various kinds
>> >> and fermented (rotted) plant dishes; pickled bird embryos on
>> >> the verge of hatching...
>>
>> >> Herbies have rejected Western dietary conditioning and learned
>> >> to appreciate a different cuisine. It's not difficult. Over
>> >> 95% of the food dishes prepared around the world are herby
>> >> ('vegan').
>>
>> >> The other main element (lie) of carny propaganda is: "Only
>> >> animal products will make you healthy and strong."
>>
>> >> Oh yeh? What makes the powerful muscles of the bull and the
>> >> stallion?
>>
>> >> Vegetable protein from seeds, mostly grains (grasss) and
>> >> legumes (peas).
>>
>> >> No, the parts of their digestive systems that are different
>> >> from ours have nothing to do with proteins. They are for
>> >> breaking down cellulose (from plant stalks) into starch.
>>
>> >> I love to eat. The sight or smell of raw or cooking or cooked
>> >> animal products makes me ill.
>>
>> > Well, that's your neurosis.
>>
>> >> I don't see how anyone can eat such ugly things.
>>
>> >> Sid
>>
>> > How pleasant for you. However, we evolved to be omnivores,
>>
>> That's a theory, not fact.
>>
>> > and that's the best diet for us. Not necessarily in the
>> > proportions enjoyed by most Americans, but omnivorous
>> > nevertheless.
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>> The overwhelming majority of the primates are herbivores. And
>> even according to the _theory_ of evolution, those are our roots.
>>
>> > It's only recently that H. sapiens has had the luxury of
>> > pursuing odd dietary regimens.i
>>
>> Garbage.
>>
>> > Ponder that while you dine.
>>
>> Your gullibility is what I will ponder.
>>
>> Some people just believe everything they see on TV or that's
>> printed in some public school or college textbook.
>>
>> They don't understand just how thoroughly politics and
>> economics corrupt historians and scientists.
>>
>> Sid- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> There are arguments for both sides. Everyone's body and reaction to
> foods is different. I've been a vegetarian, a vegan and an
> omnivore. I didn't eat that way each time for a week or two, I did
> it for years. All I know is I feel better and my body
> reacts better to the way I'm eating now which is fresh fruits and
> vegetables, mostly raw, and lean protein.

You mean _animal_ protein. Seeds are full of protein.

And you are attributing how you feel to your diet, which may not
be the case at all. The body is incredibly versatile. You can
be healthy eating almost anything. I know of sickly carnies and
sickly herbies. And vice-versa.

Mindset, attitude, is the key. And as long as you believe,
and there is a _lot_ of social pressure to do so, that only
animal products taste good and will make you healthy and
strong, then that will be what you experience.

You will not be able to have a good mindset/attitude about
your body and life unless you eat animal products.

Sid

On alt.food.vegan, ImStillMags > wrote:

> On Mar 30, 1:22=A0pm, Sidney Lambe >
> wrote:
>
>>
[delete]
>> >> >> That's one of the two key elements (lies) of carny
>> >> >> propaganda: 'Only animal products taste good.'
>>
>> >> >> What tastes good to a person is obviously due to
>> >> >> cultural conditioning.
>>
>> >> >> All over the world people pay exorbitant prices for what
>> >> >> they consider to be delicacies. Foods that even the
>> >> >> idea of consuming makes Westerners ill. Like insects
>> >> >> of various kinds and fermented (rotted) plant dishes;
>> >> >> pickled bird embryos on the verge of hatching...
>>
>> >> >> Herbies have rejected Western dietary conditioning and
>> >> >> learned to appreciate a different cuisine. It's not
>> >> >> difficult. Over 95% of the food dishes prepared around
>> >> >> the world are herby ('vegan').
>>
>> >> >> The other main element (lie) of carny propaganda is:
>> >> >> "Only animal products will make you healthy and strong."
>>
>> >> >> Oh yeh? What makes the powerful muscles of the bull and
>> >> >> the stallion?
>>
>> >> >> Vegetable protein from seeds, mostly grains (grasss) and
>> >> >> legumes (peas).
>>
>> >> >> No, the parts of their digestive systems that are
>> >> >> different from ours have nothing to do with proteins.
>> >> >> They are for breaking down cellulose (from plant stalks)
>> >> >> into starch.
>>
>> >> >> I love to eat. The sight or smell of raw or cooking or
>> >> >> cooked animal products makes me ill.
>>
>> >> > Well, that's your neurosis.
>>
>> >> >> I don't see how anyone can eat such ugly things.
>>
>> >> > How pleasant for you. However, we evolved to be
>> >> > omnivores,
>>
>> >> That's a theory, not fact.
>>
>> >> > and that's the best diet for us. Not necessarily in the
>> >> > proportions enjoyed by most Americans, but omnivorous
>> >> > nevertheless.
>>
>> >> Wrong.
>>
>> >> The overwhelming majority of the primates are herbivores.
>> >> And even according to the _theory_ of evolution, those are
>> >> our roots.
>>
>> >> > It's only recently that H. sapiens has had the luxury of
>> >> > pursuing odd dietary regimens.i
>>
>> >> Garbage.
>>
>> >> > Ponder that while you dine.
>>
>> >> Your gullibility is what I will ponder.
>>
>> >> Some people just believe everything they see on TV or
>> >> that's printed in some public school or college textbook.
>>
>> >> They don't understand just how thoroughly politics and
>> >> economics corrupt historians and scientists.
>>
>> > There are arguments for both sides. =A0 Everyone's body and
>> > reaction to foods is different. =A0 I've been a vegetarian,
>> > a vegan and an omnivore. =A0 =A0I didn't eat that way each
>> > time for a week or two, I did
>> > it for years. All I know is I feel better and my body
>> > reacts better to the way I'm eating now which is fresh
>> > fruits and vegetables, mostly raw, and lean protein.
>>
>> You mean _animal_ protein. Seeds are full of protein.
>>
>> And you are attributing how you feel to your diet, which may
>> not be the case at all. The body is incredibly versatile.
>> You can be healthy eating almost anything. I know of sickly
>> carnies and sickly herbies. And vice-versa.
>>
>> Mindset, attitude, is the key. =A0And as long as you believe,
>> and there is a _lot_ of social pressure to do so, that only
>> animal products taste good and will make you healthy and
>> strong, then that will be what you experience.
>>
>> You will not be able to have a good mindset/attitude about
>> your body and life unless you eat animal products.
>>
> Thanks for the psychoanalysis. Though you are way off track.

It isn't psychoanalysis and it is _you_ are way off track.
Dismissing psychological factors is naive in the extreme.

There are plenty of people with very similar genetics to yours
who have the same diet you do who are not healthy,

There are plenty of people who have diets that any nutritional
scientist would say would not even support human life who are far
healthier than the typical American with a supposedly perfect,
scientific diet.

Try looking at the real world instead of just believing anything
some geek with a science degree his parents bought him says. A
geek who gets all of his money, however indirectly, from large
corporations that care a lot more about money than they do truth.

Scientists who discover things their corporate masters wouldn't
like keep it to themselves or find themselves asking people
if they want fries with their order.

Sid

On Mar 30, 6:53*pm, Sidney Lambe > wrote:

"
There are plenty of people with very similar genetics to yours
who have the same diet you do who are not healthy, "....


Wow. Not only are you psychic, you are also clairvoyant as well.

What is your insistence on being 'right'? I don't care what or how
you eat. Please. do the same for me.

On alt.food.vegan, ImStillMags > wrote:
> On Mar 30, 6:53=A0pm, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
>
> "
> There are plenty of people with very similar genetics to yours
> who have the same diet you do who are not healthy, "....
>
>
> Wow. Not only are you psychic, you are also clairvoyant as well.
>
> What is your insistence on being 'right'? I don't care what or how
> you eat. Please. do the same for me.

Nope. Your dietstyle is trashing this planet.
You are a criminal.

One of these days we herbies are going to simply kill all of
your cattle and pigs and sheep, etc.

It is time to get those perverted animals off this planet. They
were bred to do one thing: Devour Nature and turn into food
for criminals like you. They aren't grazing animals, they
are _mowing_ animals.

You don't get it, meat pig. We are enemies.

There are about 12,000,000 herbies ('vegans') in America and more
every day. Our total boycott of the animal products industry (which
employs scores of millions of people and pays the pensions of tens
of millions more, just for starters) is playing a significant role
in the current Recession.

This is good.

Sid

Sidney Lambe wrote:
> On alt.food.vegan, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
>>On Mar 30, 6:53=A0pm, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
>>
>>"
>>There are plenty of people with very similar genetics to yours
>>who have the same diet you do who are not healthy, "....
>>
>>
>>Wow. Not only are you psychic, you are also clairvoyant as well.
>>
>>What is your insistence on being 'right'? I don't care what or how
>>you eat. Please. do the same for me.
>
>
> Nope. Your dietstyle is trashing this planet.
> You are a criminal.
>
> One of these days we herbies are going to simply kill all of
> your cattle and pigs and sheep, etc.
>
> It is time to get those perverted animals off this planet. They
> were bred to do one thing: Devour Nature and turn into food
> for criminals like you. They aren't grazing animals, they
> are _mowing_ animals.
>
> You don't get it, meat pig. We are enemies.
>
> There are about 12,000,000 herbies ('vegans') in America and more
> every day. Our total boycott of the animal products industry (which
> employs scores of millions of people and pays the pensions of tens
> of millions more, just for starters) is playing a significant role
> in the current Recession.
>
> This is good.
>
> Sid
>
>
Even better are the mail filters that keep the likes of "Sidney Lambe"
from polluting my web experience.

http://yeli.us/Flash/Fire.html
--
JL

On alt.food.vegan, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
> On alt.food.vegan, ImStillMags > wrote:
>> On Mar 30, 6:53=A0pm, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
>>
>> "
>> There are plenty of people with very similar genetics to yours
>> who have the same diet you do who are not healthy, "....
>>
>>
>> Wow. Not only are you psychic, you are also clairvoyant as well.
>>
>> What is your insistence on being 'right'? I don't care what or how
>> you eat. Please. do the same for me.
>
> Nope. Your dietstyle is trashing this planet.
> You are a criminal.
>
> One of these days we herbies are going to simply kill all of
> your cattle and pigs and sheep, etc.
>
> It is time to get those perverted animals off this planet. They
> were bred to do one thing: Devour Nature and turn into food
> for criminals like you. They aren't grazing animals, they
> are _mowing_ animals.
>
> You don't get it, meat pig. We are enemies.
>
> There are about 12,000,000 herbies ('vegans') in America and more
> every day. Our total boycott of the animal products industry (which
> employs scores of millions of people and pays the pensions of tens
> of millions more, just for starters) is playing a significant role
> in the current Recession.
>
> This is good.
>
> Sid
>
>
I forget to include the scores of millions of vegetarians who
eat no mammalian flesh.

Sid

On 31/03/2010 04:34, Sidney Lambe wrote:
> On alt.food.vegan, > wrote:
>> On Mar 30, 6:53=A0pm, Sidney > wrote:
>>
>> "
>> There are plenty of people with very similar genetics to yours
>> who have the same diet you do who are not healthy, "....
>>
>>
>> Wow. Not only are you psychic, you are also clairvoyant as well.
>>
>> What is your insistence on being 'right'? I don't care what or how
>> you eat. Please. do the same for me.
>
> Nope. Your dietstyle is trashing this planet.
> You are a criminal.
>
> One of these days we herbies are going to simply kill all of
> your cattle and pigs and sheep, etc.
>
> It is time to get those perverted animals off this planet. They
> were bred to do one thing: Devour Nature and turn into food
> for criminals like you. They aren't grazing animals, they
> are _mowing_ animals.
>
> You don't get it, meat pig. We are enemies.
>
> There are about 12,000,000 herbies ('vegans') in America and more
> every day. Our total boycott of the animal products industry (which
> employs scores of millions of people and pays the pensions of tens
> of millions more, just for starters) is playing a significant role
> in the current Recession.
>
> This is good.
>
> Sid
>
>

Here's the answer for everyone:
http://www.reactivereports.com/47/47_1.html

"Cultured meat could appeal to people concerned about food safety, the
environment, and animal welfare," adds Matheny, "and people who want to
tailor food to their individual tastes." The researchers suggest that a
meat maker might one day sit next to the breadmaker and microwave oven
on the kitchen counter.

Ultimately, the benefits of in vitro meat could be enormous. The demand
for meat is increasing worldwide, with China's meat consumption set to
double in the next ten years, while poultry consumption in India has
doubled in the last five years. Such increased demand for meat could be
accommodated in many parts of the world by factory production of
artificial meat. "With a single cell, you could theoretically produce
the world's annual meat supply," Matheny says. "And, you could do it in
a way that's better for the environment and human health. In the long
term, this is a very feasible idea."


--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

In news:rec.food.cooking, GreenXenon > posted on Sun,
28 Mar 2010 15:26:02 -0700 (PDT) the following:

> I+IBk-m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs, algae,
> seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> amounts optimum for human health.

I used to want to hire someone who really knows nutrition. That person
would somehow find a non-invasive way to evaluate my physiology several
times a day, then prepare a meals that specifically contain everything I'm
missing. Then they would know exactly how much exercise I should do and
what types. He would just tell, and I would do. He would prepare meals,
and I would eat them. Of course, I see that as silly now, but it used to
be one idea that I used to fantasize about in my want for optimum health.

Damaeus
--
"Marijuana leads to homosexuality ... and therefore to AIDS."
White House Drug Czar Carlton Turner 1986

In news:rec.food.cooking, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >
posted on Tue, 30 Mar 2010 00:38:54 +0100 the following:

> Giving mice extra selenium has been shown to extend their lives by 43%

Tuna has a lot of selenium in it. After I've eaten a tuna sandwich, I
find that I salivate more than usual.

Damaeus
--
"Marijuana leads to homosexuality ... and therefore to AIDS."
White House Drug Czar Carlton Turner 1986

On 31/03/2010 19:15, Sidney Lambe wrote:
> On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at >
> wrote:
>
>> On 31/03/2010 04:34, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>>
>>> On alt.food.vegan, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 30, 6:53=A0pm, Sidney
>>>> > wrote: " There are plenty
>>>> of people with very similar genetics to yours who have the
>>>> same diet you do who are not healthy, "....
>>>>
>>>> Wow. Not only are you psychic, you are also clairvoyant as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> What is your insistence on being 'right'? I don't care what
>>>> or how you eat. Please. do the same for me.
>>>
>>> Nope. Your dietstyle is trashing this planet You are a .
>>> criminal .
>>>
>>> One of these days we herbies are going to simply kill all of
>>> your cattle and pigs and sheep, etc.
>>>
>>> It is time to get those perverted animals off this planet.
>>> They were bred to do one thing: Devour Nature and turn into
>>> food for criminals like you. They aren't grazing animals, they
>>> are _mowing_ animals.
>>>
>>> You don't get it, meat pig. We are enemies.
>>>
>>> There are about 12,000,000 herbies ('vegans') in America and
>>> more every day. Our total boycott of the animal products
>>> industry (which employs scores of millions of people and pays
>>> the pensions of tens of millions more, just for starters) is
>>> playing a significant role in the current Recession.
>>>
>>> This is good.
>>>
>>> Sid
>>>
>>
>> Here's the answer for everyone:
>> http://www.reactivereports.com/47/47_1.html
>>
>> "Cultured meat could appeal to people concerned about food
>> safety, the environment, and animal welfare," adds Matheny,
>> "and people who want to tailor food to their individual
>> tastes." The researchers suggest that a meat maker might one
>> day sit next to the breadmaker and microwave oven on the
>> kitchen counter.
>>
>> Ultimately, the benefits of in vitro meat could be enormous.
>> The demand for meat is increasing worldwide, with China's meat
>> consumption set to double in the next ten years, while poultry
>> consumption in India has doubled in the last five years. Such
>> increased demand for meat could be accommodated in many parts
>> of the world by factory production of artificial meat. "With a
>> single cell, you could theoretically produce the world's annual
>> meat supply," Matheny says. "And, you could do it in a way
>> that's better for the environment and human health. In the long
>> term, this is a very feasible idea."
>>
>>
>> -- Dirk
>>
>> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
>> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
>
> Another absurd anti-solution from the worshippers of technology
> and the corrupt scientists who dwell in the pockets of multi-national
> corporations who aren't interested in any solutions they can't make
> money off of.
>
> There is as much usable protein in many seeds, usually grains (grasses)
> or legumes (peas), as there is in the same amount of meat. Animal
> products of any kind are not necessary and are very destructive
> and labor/energy intensive (expensive).
>
> The solution for everybody, and it would result in a much
> healthier and more interesting diet with a tiny fraction of
> the environmental impact and cost of this fellow's ridiculous
> anti-solution, is a garden in the backyard.

And we all know that is not going to happen.

> Veggies, grains, legumes, sugar plants (beets in the north and
> things like sugarcane in the south), oilseeds, bush/vine/bramble
> fruits, herbs and spices.
>
> The abuse and over-use of technology is largely responsible for
> the bind we are in, and this artificial meat idea is just another
> example of it.

Yes, the longest healthiest lifespans in Human history - what a blight
technology is!

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >
wrote:

> On 31/03/2010 04:34, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
>> On alt.food.vegan, > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 30, 6:53=A0pm, Sidney
>>> > wrote: " There are plenty
>>> of people with very similar genetics to yours who have the
>>> same diet you do who are not healthy, "....
>>>
>>> Wow. Not only are you psychic, you are also clairvoyant as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> What is your insistence on being 'right'? I don't care what
>>> or how you eat. Please. do the same for me.
>>
>> Nope. Your dietstyle is trashing this planet You are a .
>> criminal .
>>
>> One of these days we herbies are going to simply kill all of
>> your cattle and pigs and sheep, etc.
>>
>> It is time to get those perverted animals off this planet.
>> They were bred to do one thing: Devour Nature and turn into
>> food for criminals like you. They aren't grazing animals, they
>> are _mowing_ animals.
>>
>> You don't get it, meat pig. We are enemies.
>>
>> There are about 12,000,000 herbies ('vegans') in America and
>> more every day. Our total boycott of the animal products
>> industry (which employs scores of millions of people and pays
>> the pensions of tens of millions more, just for starters) is
>> playing a significant role in the current Recession.
>>
>> This is good.
>>
>> Sid
>>
>
> Here's the answer for everyone:
> http://www.reactivereports.com/47/47_1.html
>
> "Cultured meat could appeal to people concerned about food
> safety, the environment, and animal welfare," adds Matheny,
> "and people who want to tailor food to their individual
> tastes." The researchers suggest that a meat maker might one
> day sit next to the breadmaker and microwave oven on the
> kitchen counter.
>
> Ultimately, the benefits of in vitro meat could be enormous.
> The demand for meat is increasing worldwide, with China's meat
> consumption set to double in the next ten years, while poultry
> consumption in India has doubled in the last five years. Such
> increased demand for meat could be accommodated in many parts
> of the world by factory production of artificial meat. "With a
> single cell, you could theoretically produce the world's annual
> meat supply," Matheny says. "And, you could do it in a way
> that's better for the environment and human health. In the long
> term, this is a very feasible idea."
>
>
> -- Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

Another absurd anti-solution from the worshippers of technology
and the corrupt scientists who dwell in the pockets of multi-national
corporations who aren't interested in any solutions they can't make
money off of.

There is as much usable protein in many seeds, usually grains (grasses)
or legumes (peas), as there is in the same amount of meat. Animal
products of any kind are not necessary and are very destructive
and labor/energy intensive (expensive).

The solution for everybody, and it would result in a much
healthier and more interesting diet with a tiny fraction of
the environmental impact and cost of this fellow's ridiculous
anti-solution, is a garden in the backyard.

Veggies, grains, legumes, sugar plants (beets in the north and
things like sugarcane in the south), oilseeds, bush/vine/bramble
fruits, herbs and spices.

The abuse and over-use of technology is largely responsible for
the bind we are in, and this artificial meat idea is just another
example of it.

Sid

And, in the end, we all die anyway. Now, we know it can come from feeding
the troll.
"GreenXenon" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 28, 3:26 pm, GreenXenon > wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please join my yahoo health
> group:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>
> I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> amounts optimum for human health.
>
> This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
> synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
> health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
> organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
> important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
> organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>
> This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
> enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
> consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
> especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
> drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
> entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
> peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
> the back of the tongue.
>
> Prior to the making of this product, all proteins & fats are pre-
> digested completely, and the following substances are completely
> removed from the organisms:
>
> 1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
> bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
> at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
> during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
> are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
> also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
> add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
> as fibers are also removed completely.
> 2. Unhealthy amino acids
> 3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
> body]
> 4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
> 5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
> fatty acids]
> 6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
> necessary for – health.
>
> All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
> Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.
>
> To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
> thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
> somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
> chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
> decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
> deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
> causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
> should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
> as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
> balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
> stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
> The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
> keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
> potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
> making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
> consumed to make up for this loss.
>
> The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.
>
> This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
> bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
> are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
> morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
> are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
> should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
> should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
> link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
> the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
> This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
> hypothetical diet.
>
> It is important to understand that this product will initially not
> satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
> decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.
>
> To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
> molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
> way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
> acids & glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
> substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
> drinking water are added.
>
> There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
> broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
> to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
> health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.
>
> If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
> just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
> theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
> price.
>
> What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
> product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
> biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
> smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.
>
> If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
> living solely off it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Green Xenon


Alternatively join
http://groups.google.com/group/healt...743b7520?hl=en

On Mar 31, 7:15*pm, Sidney Lambe > wrote:

> Another absurd anti-solution from the worshippers of technology
> and the corrupt scientists who dwell in the pockets of multi-national
> corporations who aren't interested in any solutions they can't make
> money off of.

Paranoid much?

Sidney wrote on 31 Mar 2010 23:44:43 +0100:

> [delete]

> Another brain-dead vidiot who just believes whatever the TV
> tells him.

> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when
> I was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the
> place who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with
> their great-grandchildren all day long.. The average person
> capable of doing hard work all day long. Serious diseases so
> rare that they were the talk of the town when they happenned.
> People who only went to the doctor once every 5 years and
> almost no one had health insurance. Almost no "rest homes"
> (which was what they were called then).

Where on earth did you live?

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Been watching a lot of TV. My grandfathers died of Black Lung from the
mines. Grandma's died of consumption and cancer. Father died of working
too hard and mother died when I was 16 of cancer and being way too hungry.
Glad you had an easy life.
"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> Sidney wrote on 31 Mar 2010 23:44:43 +0100:
>
>> [delete]
>
>> Another brain-dead vidiot who just believes whatever the TV
>> tells him.
>
>> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I was a kid
>> in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the
>> place who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with
>> their great-grandchildren all day long.. The average person
>> capable of doing hard work all day long. Serious diseases so
>> rare that they were the talk of the town when they happenned. People who
>> only went to the doctor once every 5 years and
>> almost no one had health insurance. Almost no "rest homes"
>> (which was what they were called then).
>
> Where on earth did you live?
>
> --
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
> Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On 31/03/2010 23:44, Sidney Lambe wrote:
> On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at >
> wrote:
>
> [delete]
>
> Another brain-dead vidiot who just believes whatever the TV
> tells him.
>
> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I
> was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the place
> who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with their
> great-grandchildren all day long.. The average person capable
> of doing hard work all day long. Serious diseases so rare that
> they were the talk of the town when they happenned. People who
> only went to the doctor once every 5 years and almost no one had
> health insurance. Almost no "rest homes" (which was what they
> were called then).

That's not the 1950s I grew up in.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

Sidney Lambe wrote:
> On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >
> wrote:
>
> [delete]
>
> Another brain-dead vidiot who just believes whatever the TV
> tells him.
>
> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I
> was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the place
> who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with their
> great-grandchildren all day long.. The average person capable
> of doing hard work all day long. Serious diseases so rare that
> they were the talk of the town when they happenned. People who
> only went to the doctor once every 5 years and almost no one had
> health insurance. Almost no "rest homes" (which was what they
> were called then).

Let's look at some facts.

In 1950, average life expectancy was 65.5 years for men, 71 years for
women ( http://aging.senate.gov/crs/aging1.pdf page 6)

In 2006, average life expectancy for men was 75.4 years and for women
it was 80.7 years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061101570.html

I'll do the math for you..... people now are living 10 years longer than
they did back in the 50's.

The "good old days" weren't always so good.

George L

On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >
wrote:

[delete]

Another brain-dead vidiot who just believes whatever the TV
tells him.

I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I
was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the place
who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with their
great-grandchildren all day long.. The average person capable
of doing hard work all day long. Serious diseases so rare that
they were the talk of the town when they happenned. People who
only went to the doctor once every 5 years and almost no one had
health insurance. Almost no "rest homes" (which was what they
were called then).



Sid

On 31/03/2010 23:30, George Leppla wrote:
> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>> On alt.food.vegan, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >
>> wrote:
>>
>> [delete]
>>
>> Another brain-dead vidiot who just believes whatever the TV
>> tells him.
>>
>> I look at the real world and I remember what it was like when I
>> was a kid in the 1950's. Healthy old people all over the place
>> who died comfortably in their sleep after playing with their
>> great-grandchildren all day long.. The average person capable
>> of doing hard work all day long. Serious diseases so rare that
>> they were the talk of the town when they happenned. People who
>> only went to the doctor once every 5 years and almost no one had
>> health insurance. Almost no "rest homes" (which was what they
>> were called then).
>
> Let's look at some facts.
>
> In 1950, average life expectancy was 65.5 years for men, 71 years for
> women ( http://aging.senate.gov/crs/aging1.pdf page 6)
>
> In 2006, average life expectancy for men was 75.4 years and for women it
> was 80.7 years.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061101570.html
>
>
> I'll do the math for you..... people now are living 10 years longer than
> they did back in the 50's.
>
> The "good old days" weren't always so good.
>
> George L

The downside being that more people live longer and develop diseases
that can be kept in check through medication. Cancer, for example, is
largely a disease of old age.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

On Mar 31, 12:19*pm, "Granby" > wrote:
> And, in the end, we all die anyway. *Now, we know it can come from feeding
> the troll."GreenXenon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Mar 28, 3:26 pm, GreenXenon > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi:
>
> > Please join my yahoo health
> > group:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...Food_Possible/
>
> > I’m currently thinking of a hypothetical diet product that is vegan-
> > friendly and has all the nutrients of vegetables, fruits, herbs,
> > algae, seaweed, mushrooms and other non-animal organisms that are
> > necessary/beneficial for human health. It also contains beneficial and
> > essential microbes [such as probiotics]. All the aforementioned are in
> > amounts optimum for human health.
>
> > This product is completely organic and free of any pesticides,
> > synthetic ethylene and other man-made substances that compromise the
> > health of organisms and their human consumers. In addition, no
> > organisms used in the product are genetically-engineered. Equally
> > important is the soil and other conditions used to grow these
> > organisms is healthy, organic, and free of pollutants.
>
> > This product may be extremely healthy to live off of. However, it will
> > likely taste bad. To make this product consumable, oral equipment is
> > included. This apparatus includes a mouth piece – made of health-
> > friendly, eco-friendly material – that will coat the tongue, teeth,
> > gums, and pretty much the entire mouth of the consumer to protect him/
> > her from perceiving the noxious flavors. The mouth piece is firm
> > enough to maintain its shape yet soft enough to be comfortable to the
> > consumer. The part of the device covering the tongue is thin and
> > especially soft, so that the consumer can feel the presence of the
> > drink in his/her mouth and safely swallow the beverage without it
> > entering the windpipe. This is necessary because the process of
> > peristalsis and the epiglottal protection of the windpipe start from
> > the back of the tongue.
>
> > Prior to the making of this product, all proteins & fats are pre-
> > digested completely, and the following substances are completely
> > removed from the organisms:
>
> > 1. Any carbohydrate that raises blood sugar. These carbohydrates are
> > bad for induction. Fermentable fibers [such as inulin] are not removed
> > at all as they don’t count as net carbs and actually benefit health
> > during induction and otherwise. Simple sugars and digestible starches
> > are completely removed. Non-fermentable fibers [such as cellulose] are
> > also completely removed as they don’t offer much benefit other than to
> > add bulk to the stools. Non-fermentable carbohydrates not classified
> > as fibers are also removed completely.
> > 2. Unhealthy amino acids
> > 3. Glycerol [which is unnecessary calories and can be produced by the
> > body]
> > 4. Saturated fatty acids [which contribute to atherosclerosis]
> > 5. Trans fatty acids [which are far worse for health than saturated
> > fatty acids]
> > 6. Any other substance that is known not to be beneficial to – or
> > necessary for – health.
>
> > All organisms used in this product – excluding tomatoes – are raw.
> > Tomatoes are boiled to bring out the lycopenes.
>
> > To make the product healthier, bad minerals [such as lead and
> > thallium] are completely removed [assuming any of them happen to
> > somehow be in the organisms]. To decrease blood pressure, sodium and
> > chloride are decreased [but not completely removed]. The sodium is
> > decreased as much as can be without leading to symptoms of sodium
> > deficiency. The chloride is decreased as much as possible without
> > causing any serious symptoms of chloride deficiency – the consumer
> > should still be able to safely perform tasks taken for granted – such
> > as driving or operating machinery. The decrease in chloride will help
> > balance out the acidity caused by ketosis. To help prevent kidney
> > stones during ketosis, extra potassium ions are added to the product.
> > The potassium is also alkaline and will further assist the body in
> > keeping itself non-acidic during ketosis. In addition, the extra
> > potassium is added because the body responds to chlorine deficiency by
> > making the kidney excrete potassium. So more potassium must be
> > consumed to make up for this loss.
>
> > The product has drinking water added to it to make it easier to drink.
>
> > This product is in small health-friendly, eco-friendly bottles. Five
> > bottles per day should be consumed. The bottles are in a package and
> > are of different sizes. The biggest bottle should be consumed in the
> > morning. The smallest should be consumed in the evening. In between,
> > are bottles of different sizes. Earlier in the day, the bigger bottles
> > should be consumed and as the day progresses the smaller bottles
> > should be consumed. This routine follows the saying “eat breakfast
> > link a king, lunch like a prince, and dinner like a pauper” – except
> > the food is divided into 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger meals.
> > This is an extra benefit to diabetes patients who are following this
> > hypothetical diet.
>
> > It is important to understand that this product will initially not
> > satiate it’s users. However, once ketosis kicks in, appetite will
> > decrease and consumers will no longer feel the urge to eat.
>
> > To summarize, the organisms in the product are chopped to the
> > molecular level. Second, the proteins/fats are pre-digested all the
> > way down to their monomers [amino acids in the case of proteins, fatty
> > acids & glycerol in the case of fats]. Third, the undesirable
> > substances are removed. Finally, good microbes, potassium ions, and
> > drinking water are added.
>
> > There still will be fat in this product, it's just that they will be
> > broken down to fatty acids [and the glycerol portions removed] prior
> > to bottling. Many fatty acids are necessary and/or beneficial for
> > health. They also assist in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.
>
> > If this product did exist it would greatly benefit obese patients. I
> > just wish someone would start a company, get the company to make this
> > theoretical product, and sell it to the general public at a reasonable
> > price.
>
> > What would happen to me if I spent a year on a diet using only this
> > product and in the manner I described [5 bottles a day, first bottle
> > biggest, next bottles getting progressively smaller, the last bottle
> > smallest]? Anything unhealthy? I doubt it.
>
> > If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no problem
> > living solely off it.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Green Xenon
>
> Alternatively joinhttp://groups.google.com/group/healthiest-food-possible/browse_frm/th...


I'm not a troll, I'm suggesting a new hypothetical product that --
with stretch, aerobic, and cardiovascular exercise -- will help it's
consumers live the longest possible.