In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
> >Omelet wrote:
>
> >> I have to wonder... The scent of the leaves is similar to eucalyptus so
> >> would small amounts of that work?
>
> >I'm pretty amazed at the strength of the answers. There are eucalyptus
> >candies so clearly the stuff isn't dangerous. I get that it would be
> >overwhleming in strength so the "small amounts" to experiment would be
> >"very tiny amounts". If you have the oil a single drop would probably
> >be as strong as dozens of leaves. But what if you put a drop of the oil
> >in a small vial of neutral vegitable oil to dilute it?
>
> >Somehow eucalyptus is sharp where bay/laurel is mild. Once you got the
> >dilution down I figure it would be too different to be a substitution.
>
> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.

Eeeeeuw, thanks for the warning!

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:40:43 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

>Omelet wrote:
>>
>> I have to wonder... The scent of the leaves is similar to eucalyptus so
>> would small amounts of that work?
>
>I'm pretty amazed at the strength of the answers. There are eucalyptus
>candies so clearly the stuff isn't dangerous.

It most certainly is toxic - toxic enough to be life threatening - but
safe enough in very small doses.
--
Jeßus

"Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:08:20 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>>
>> >Omelet wrote:
>>
>> >> I have to wonder... The scent of the leaves is similar to eucalyptus so
>> >> would small amounts of that work?
>>
>> >I'm pretty amazed at the strength of the answers. There are eucalyptus
>> >candies so clearly the stuff isn't dangerous. I get that it would be
>> >overwhleming in strength so the "small amounts" to experiment would be
>> >"very tiny amounts". If you have the oil a single drop would probably
>> >be as strong as dozens of leaves. But what if you put a drop of the oil
>> >in a small vial of neutral vegitable oil to dilute it?
>>
>> >Somehow eucalyptus is sharp where bay/laurel is mild. Once you got the
>> >dilution down I figure it would be too different to be a substitution.
>>
>> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
>> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
>> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
>>
>> Steve
>
>They are magnificent trees. :-)

They can be an utter pain in the arse as well, depending on species
and situation.

I recently cut down about 30 Blue Gums that the previous owners
thought were a good idea. Unfortunately they were a hybrid breed, bred
for forestry. They grow *fast* and *big* and just love to
spontaneously die and/or drop branches. Sad to see paddocks with no
trees in the short term, but I'll certainly be replacing them with
something more suitable.

Can't recall which country it is, but Eucalypts have become a pest
there.
--
Jeßus

"Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:48:50 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> Omelet > wrote:
>>
>> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>
>> >> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
>> >> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
>> >> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
>>
>> >They are magnificent trees. :-)
>>
>> Until one comes crashing down on you. They have the strength of
>> a toothpick.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>
>Shallow root system? There are no typhoons in Los Angeles... <g>

Some have shallow roots, but just as bad is they can suddenly drop
huge branches with no warning at all. Not exactly unknown for people
to be killed having a picnic under them. I've seen Gum trees suddenly
drop huge branches many times. Not /all/ Eucalypt species are like
this, but most large species do.
--
Jeßus

"Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:09:09 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
>> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm pretty amazed at the strength of the answers. There are eucalyptus
>> > candies so clearly the stuff isn't dangerous. I get that it would be
>> > overwhleming in strength so the "small amounts" to experiment would be
>> > "very tiny amounts". If you have the oil a single drop would probably
>> > be as strong as dozens of leaves. But what if you put a drop of the oil
>> > in a small vial of neutral vegitable oil to dilute it?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyp...y_and_toxicity
>
>For the last time, I was not talking about using the damed oil!!!

Uh-oh!

>I was referring to the dried leaves!

IMO it would be absolutely disgusting as a bay leaf substitute - if
that is what you mean.
--
Jeßus

"Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

In article >,
Jeßus > wrote:

> >They are magnificent trees. :-)
>
> They can be an utter pain in the arse as well, depending on species
> and situation.
>
> I recently cut down about 30 Blue Gums that the previous owners
> thought were a good idea. Unfortunately they were a hybrid breed, bred
> for forestry. They grow *fast* and *big* and just love to
> spontaneously die and/or drop branches. Sad to see paddocks with no
> trees in the short term, but I'll certainly be replacing them with
> something more suitable.
>
> Can't recall which country it is, but Eucalypts have become a pest
> there.
> --
> Jeßus

I'll happily send you some Japanese ligustrum or Hackberry seeds... <g>
One man's pest is another man's treasure.
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In article >,
Jeßus > wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:48:50 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >
> >> Omelet > wrote:
> >>
> >> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
> >> >> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
> >> >> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
> >>
> >> >They are magnificent trees. :-)
> >>
> >> Until one comes crashing down on you. They have the strength of
> >> a toothpick.
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve
> >
> >Shallow root system? There are no typhoons in Los Angeles... <g>
>
> Some have shallow roots, but just as bad is they can suddenly drop
> huge branches with no warning at all. Not exactly unknown for people
> to be killed having a picnic under them. I've seen Gum trees suddenly
> drop huge branches many times. Not /all/ Eucalypt species are like
> this, but most large species do.
> --
> Jeßus
>
> "Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
> Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

Sounds a lot like my Post Oaks out back.
On the up-side, it makes good Q'ing wood!
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In article >,
Jeßus > wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:09:09 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Mark Thorson > wrote:
> >
> >> Doug Freyburger wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm pretty amazed at the strength of the answers. There are eucalyptus
> >> > candies so clearly the stuff isn't dangerous. I get that it would be
> >> > overwhleming in strength so the "small amounts" to experiment would be
> >> > "very tiny amounts". If you have the oil a single drop would probably
> >> > be as strong as dozens of leaves. But what if you put a drop of the oil
> >> > in a small vial of neutral vegitable oil to dilute it?
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyp...y_and_toxicity
> >
> >For the last time, I was not talking about using the damed oil!!!
>
> Uh-oh!
>
> >I was referring to the dried leaves!
>
> IMO it would be absolutely disgusting as a bay leaf substitute - if
> that is what you mean.
> --
> Jeßus

<shrugs> It was just a passing thought. ;-)
The leaves, to ME, smell similar.YMMV as always.
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On 4/20/2010 4:31 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:08:20 -0500, >
> wrote:
>
>> In >,
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>
>>> Doug > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I have to wonder... The scent of the leaves is similar to eucalyptus so
>>>>> would small amounts of that work?
>>>
>>>> I'm pretty amazed at the strength of the answers. There are eucalyptus
>>>> candies so clearly the stuff isn't dangerous. I get that it would be
>>>> overwhleming in strength so the "small amounts" to experiment would be
>>>> "very tiny amounts". If you have the oil a single drop would probably
>>>> be as strong as dozens of leaves. But what if you put a drop of the oil
>>>> in a small vial of neutral vegitable oil to dilute it?
>>>
>>>> Somehow eucalyptus is sharp where bay/laurel is mild. Once you got the
>>>> dilution down I figure it would be too different to be a substitution.
>>>
>>> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
>>> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
>>> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> They are magnificent trees. :-)
>
> They can be an utter pain in the arse as well, depending on species
> and situation.
>
> I recently cut down about 30 Blue Gums that the previous owners
> thought were a good idea. Unfortunately they were a hybrid breed, bred
> for forestry. They grow *fast* and *big* and just love to
> spontaneously die and/or drop branches. Sad to see paddocks with no
> trees in the short term, but I'll certainly be replacing them with
> something more suitable.
>
> Can't recall which country it is, but Eucalypts have become a pest
> there.

Made a piece of furniture out of eucalyptus a while back. Never gonna
do that again. Stuff is miserable to work with. Pretty much have to
use gloves--just picking up a piece of rough-sawn lumber I ended up with
splinters that festered. Lots of internal stress in the boards--rip a
straight flat piece and if it doesn't close up on the saw blade and toss
itself across the shop then I end up with two curved or twisted pieces.
Splits easily. And it's not even particularly pretty.

> --
> Jeßus
>
> "Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
> Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

On 4/19/2010 10:50 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> Janet > wrote:
>
>> The >
>> from > contains these words:
>>
>>> In >,
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 21:23:21 -0500, >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to wonder... The scent of the leaves is similar to eucalyptus so
>>>>> would small amounts of that work?
>>>>
>>>> IMO, bay is not even close to eucalyptus Om. Think of Vicks
>>>> Vaporub... that's eucalyptus.
>>
>>> Yes, but Vicks is concentrated eucalyptus oil with menthol.
>>> I was referring to freshly dried leaves. They are mild and aromatic.
>>
>> Yebbut, while both bay leaves and eucalyptus leaves are aromatic,
>> the two aromas are very different. I like both
>> (as smells) . I use whole dried bay leaves to flavour the milk for bread
>> sauce, and in soups and spaghetti meatsauce.
>> IMO the flavour is better when they are dried that when fresh (I dry my own).
>>
>> Janet
>
> I guess I need to try growing a Bay Laurel tree. To date, I've not been
> impressed with what I can buy. They really seem to contribute nothing!

I have one in the herb garden, it's about seven feet tall now. I'm going
to harvest some fresh leaves and try cooking with them pretty soon.

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:45:16 +0200, "Giusi" >
wrote:

>
>"Doug Freyburger" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Omelet wrote:
>>>
>>> I have to wonder... The scent of the leaves is similar to eucalyptus so
>>> >> would small amounts of that work?
>
>> I get that it would be> overwhleming in strength so the "small amounts"
>> to experiment would be
>> "very tiny amounts".
>
>I think you should try it, not me. My favorite toothpaste is mint and
>eucalyptus, just medicinal enough, natural germ killer.

In Italy Summer's Eve is only available in double strength
ewwwcalyptus. LOL

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:27:38 -0400, brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>
>Anyone remember Cocillana cough drops

No, but I do remember a time when drug stores, and "news shops"
had a big display of cough drops, usually near the register.

VICKS, LUDENS, SMITH BROS., SUCRETS,
and some sort of hard gummy things ( oval shaped )
All in multiple flavors too.

Did people cough more then ? Or was it just "adult candy" ?

Nice, Mark.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:50:13 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>
>I guess I need to try growing a Bay Laurel tree. To date, I've not been
>impressed with what I can buy. They really seem to contribute nothing!

For me, bay isn't a flavor that jumps out when it's there but you
really do know when it's missing. Try cooking a brand new dish that
calls for bay so you don't have any preconceived idea of what the dish
should taste like. Make it a couple of times so you have a really
good idea, then make it without.... and you'll understand.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:53:07 +0200, Bogbrush >
wrote:

>And since you only but one or two in they are easily removed as they
>tend to stay on the top anyway.

I'm thinking someone breaks them up. I "crack" them, but I'm careful
not to break them into small pieces that could be swallowed
accidentally.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:16:22 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>Bay leaves should be banned. I have always hated the taste.

Obviously whoever made the dishes you ate used too much bay. I don't
use it much but have been warned that if you put in too much "it will
taste like medicine", therefore I'm very careful. More is *not*
better.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:48:50 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> Omelet > wrote:
>>
>> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>
>> >> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
>> >> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
>> >> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
>>
>> >They are magnificent trees. :-)
>>
>> Until one comes crashing down on you. They have the strength of
>> a toothpick.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>
>Shallow root system? There are no typhoons in Los Angeles... <g>

LA gets the Santa Ana winds, which are pretty bad alone. Fires are
associated with them and eucalyptus fuels the fire.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:58:49 -0700, "<RJ>" > wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:27:38 -0400, brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Anyone remember Cocillana cough drops
>
>No, but I do remember a time when drug stores, and "news shops"
>had a big display of cough drops, usually near the register.
>
>VICKS, LUDENS, SMITH BROS., SUCRETS,
>and some sort of hard gummy things ( oval shaped )
>All in multiple flavors too.
>
>Did people cough more then ? Or was it just "adult candy" ?

There was no need for "adult "candy back then, we enjoyed plain old
vanilla sex and a lot more often.

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.

There are large groves of eucalyptus all over California.
My neighbor has some giant specimens. Most of the really
tall ones were planted about 100 years ago, when there
was a brief get-rich-quick scheme that involved growing
eucalyptus for lumber. Although these trees grow very
quickly and very large, it wasn't until a few years later
that it became known that you can't use eucalyptus for
lumber. It has a spiral grain, so planks and beams cut
from it split if you put any significant stress on them.

Doug Freyburger > wrote:

>I lived in Los Angeles metro for 24 years.

That's not possible, they only began operation 20 years ago in 1990.


Steve

In article >,
Jeßus > wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:08:20 -0500, Omelet >

> >They are magnificent trees. :-)
>
> They can be an utter pain in the arse as well, depending on species
> and situation.
>
> I recently cut down about 30 Blue Gums that the previous owners
> thought were a good idea. Unfortunately they were a hybrid breed, bred
> for forestry. They grow *fast* and *big* and just love to
> spontaneously die and/or drop branches. Sad to see paddocks with no
> trees in the short term, but I'll certainly be replacing them with
> something more suitable.
>
> Can't recall which country it is, but Eucalypts have become a pest
> there.

Many people in the US consider them a pest.

But, it's true, they are a magnificent pest.

:-)

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
"J. Clarke" > wrote:


> Made a piece of furniture out of eucalyptus a while back. Never gonna
> do that again. Stuff is miserable to work with. Pretty much have to
> use gloves--just picking up a piece of rough-sawn lumber I ended up with
> splinters that festered. Lots of internal stress in the boards--rip a
> straight flat piece and if it doesn't close up on the saw blade and toss
> itself across the shop then I end up with two curved or twisted pieces.
> Splits easily. And it's not even particularly pretty.

For people who like the smell, it is popular for firewood around here.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
"<RJ>" > wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:27:38 -0400, brooklyn1
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >Anyone remember Cocillana cough drops
>
> No, but I do remember a time when drug stores, and "news shops"
> had a big display of cough drops, usually near the register.
>
> VICKS, LUDENS, SMITH BROS., SUCRETS,
> and some sort of hard gummy things ( oval shaped )
> All in multiple flavors too.
>
> Did people cough more then ? Or was it just "adult candy" ?

Last I saw, "cough drops" were in the candy section. It's true that any
kind of hard candy will help most coughs.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
SherryJubilee > wrote:

> Mark Thorson;1465823 Wrote:
> > SherryJubilee wrote:-
> >
> > I appreciate hearing your opinions about this,-
> >
> > My opinion is foodbanter idiots should stay out of newsgroups.
>
> Nice, Mark.

How about just killfile everybody from the sonic.net domain?

:-)

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:48:50 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:

> >Shallow root system? There are no typhoons in Los Angeles... <g>
>
> LA gets the Santa Ana winds, which are pretty bad alone. Fires are
> associated with them and eucalyptus fuels the fire.

It really doesn't matter. At least in the US, eucalyptus has the
reputation of falling over when it gets older, if you look at it cross
eyed. Some will drop huge branches even if you *don't* look at them.
They burn like torches once ignited, even without a wind.

I got over a million hits on Google for Oakland Berkeley Hills fi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Firestorm_of_1991

"The fire ultimately killed 25 people and injured 150 others. The 1,520
acres (6.2 km<=\0) destroyed included 3,354 single-family dwellings and
437 apartment and condominium units. The economic loss has been
estimated at $1.5 billion."

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
George Shirley > wrote:

> On 4/19/2010 10:50 PM, Omelet wrote:
> > In >,
> > Janet > wrote:
> >
> >> The >
> >> from > contains these words:
> >>
> >>> In >,
> >>> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 21:23:21 -0500, >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have to wonder... The scent of the leaves is similar to eucalyptus so
> >>>>> would small amounts of that work?
> >>>>
> >>>> IMO, bay is not even close to eucalyptus Om. Think of Vicks
> >>>> Vaporub... that's eucalyptus.
> >>
> >>> Yes, but Vicks is concentrated eucalyptus oil with menthol.
> >>> I was referring to freshly dried leaves. They are mild and aromatic.
> >>
> >> Yebbut, while both bay leaves and eucalyptus leaves are aromatic,
> >> the two aromas are very different. I like both
> >> (as smells) . I use whole dried bay leaves to flavour the milk for bread
> >> sauce, and in soups and spaghetti meatsauce.
> >> IMO the flavour is better when they are dried that when fresh (I dry my
> >> own).
> >>
> >> Janet
> >
> > I guess I need to try growing a Bay Laurel tree. To date, I've not been
> > impressed with what I can buy. They really seem to contribute nothing!
>
> I have one in the herb garden, it's about seven feet tall now. I'm going
> to harvest some fresh leaves and try cooking with them pretty soon.

Please report?
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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:50:13 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I guess I need to try growing a Bay Laurel tree. To date, I've not been
> >impressed with what I can buy. They really seem to contribute nothing!
>
> For me, bay isn't a flavor that jumps out when it's there but you
> really do know when it's missing. Try cooking a brand new dish that
> calls for bay so you don't have any preconceived idea of what the dish
> should taste like. Make it a couple of times so you have a really
> good idea, then make it without.... and you'll understand.

Not a bad idea. Either that or make a dish in duplicate and do a taste
test.
--
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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:48:50 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >
> >> Omelet > wrote:
> >>
> >> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
> >> >> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
> >> >> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
> >>
> >> >They are magnificent trees. :-)
> >>
> >> Until one comes crashing down on you. They have the strength of
> >> a toothpick.
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve
> >
> >Shallow root system? There are no typhoons in Los Angeles... <g>
>
> LA gets the Santa Ana winds, which are pretty bad alone. Fires are
> associated with them and eucalyptus fuels the fire.

I remember those winds... but the fires are mostly in the mountains. The
trees I was referring to are in the city.

Those fires are most often caused by arsonists. :-(
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In article >,
Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >
> >> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
> >> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
> >> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
> >
> > They are magnificent trees. :-)
>
> When they fall down the wood works great in a fireplace. Mix it with
> twice as much of some other wood to reduce the intensity. It burns long
> and slow giving off the smell more gradually than I expected.
>
> I never did try cooking over it.

I'm not sure that I wood. I don't cook over cedar either even tho' Iove
the smell in pit fires fore camping.
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In article >,
Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > I was not talking about using the oil either. I was talking about using
> > the dried leaves. I have to wonder how many people here have ever
> > handled or smelled dried eucalyptus leaves? They don't smell ANYthing
> > like the oil! I grew up around them until around age 12.
> >
> > It's like the difference between fresh and dried ginger...
>
> I lived in Los Angeles metro for 24 years. Eucalyptus trees grow like
> weeds in So Cal. They are all over the place. The leaves didn't have
> much aroma that I noticed.

Exactly. The dried leaves are very mild.
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 05:18:16 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:48:50 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
>> >
>> >> Omelet > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
>> >> >> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
>> >> >> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
>> >>
>> >> >They are magnificent trees. :-)
>> >>
>> >> Until one comes crashing down on you. They have the strength of
>> >> a toothpick.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >
>> >Shallow root system? There are no typhoons in Los Angeles... <g>
>>
>> LA gets the Santa Ana winds, which are pretty bad alone. Fires are
>> associated with them and eucalyptus fuels the fire.
>
>I remember those winds... but the fires are mostly in the mountains. The
>trees I was referring to are in the city.
>
>Those fires are most often caused by arsonists. :-(

Most "brush" fires near civilization are caused by arsonists, Om. We
all know that. Eucalyptus are highly flammable and grow everywhere,
country and city.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Thanks Dan, I think I'll just choose the "Ignore all posts" option.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> >Those fires are most often caused by arsonists. :-(
>
> Most "brush" fires near civilization are caused by arsonists, Om. We
> all know that.

I know that, but that does not mean I have to like it... <sigh>
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:11:21 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:48:50 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
>> >
>> >> Omelet > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
>> >> >> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
>> >> >> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
>> >>
>> >> >They are magnificent trees. :-)
>> >>
>> >> Until one comes crashing down on you. They have the strength of
>> >> a toothpick.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >
>> >Shallow root system? There are no typhoons in Los Angeles... <g>
>>
>> Some have shallow roots, but just as bad is they can suddenly drop
>> huge branches with no warning at all. Not exactly unknown for people
>> to be killed having a picnic under them. I've seen Gum trees suddenly
>> drop huge branches many times. Not /all/ Eucalypt species are like
>> this, but most large species do.
>> --
>> Jeßus
>>
>> "Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
>> Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996
>
>Sounds a lot like my Post Oaks out back.
>On the up-side, it makes good Q'ing wood!

There are about 700 Eucalypt species, the quality of the wood varies
enormously. Some are much better than others for wood fuel, ie; the
Blue Gums I have burn hot and fast - but burn straight to ash rather
than coals.
--
Jeßus

"Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:10:28 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> >They are magnificent trees. :-)
>>
>> They can be an utter pain in the arse as well, depending on species
>> and situation.
>>
>> I recently cut down about 30 Blue Gums that the previous owners
>> thought were a good idea. Unfortunately they were a hybrid breed, bred
>> for forestry. They grow *fast* and *big* and just love to
>> spontaneously die and/or drop branches. Sad to see paddocks with no
>> trees in the short term, but I'll certainly be replacing them with
>> something more suitable.
>>
>> Can't recall which country it is, but Eucalypts have become a pest
>> there.
>> --
>> Jeßus
>
>I'll happily send you some Japanese ligustrum or Hackberry seeds... <g>
>One man's pest is another man's treasure.

Quite true. I guess it comes down to choosing the right species for
the right location. Methinks they (whomever 'they' might be) made the
mistake of going for species which are a little *too* successful in
relation to other local, native species.
--
Jeßus

"Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:00:15 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> wrote:

>On 4/20/2010 4:31 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:08:20 -0500, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In >,
>>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doug > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I have to wonder... The scent of the leaves is similar to eucalyptus so
>>>>>> would small amounts of that work?
>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty amazed at the strength of the answers. There are eucalyptus
>>>>> candies so clearly the stuff isn't dangerous. I get that it would be
>>>>> overwhleming in strength so the "small amounts" to experiment would be
>>>>> "very tiny amounts". If you have the oil a single drop would probably
>>>>> be as strong as dozens of leaves. But what if you put a drop of the oil
>>>>> in a small vial of neutral vegitable oil to dilute it?
>>>>
>>>>> Somehow eucalyptus is sharp where bay/laurel is mild. Once you got the
>>>>> dilution down I figure it would be too different to be a substitution.
>>>>
>>>> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
>>>> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
>>>> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> They are magnificent trees. :-)
>>
>> They can be an utter pain in the arse as well, depending on species
>> and situation.
>>
>> I recently cut down about 30 Blue Gums that the previous owners
>> thought were a good idea. Unfortunately they were a hybrid breed, bred
>> for forestry. They grow *fast* and *big* and just love to
>> spontaneously die and/or drop branches. Sad to see paddocks with no
>> trees in the short term, but I'll certainly be replacing them with
>> something more suitable.
>>
>> Can't recall which country it is, but Eucalypts have become a pest
>> there.
>
>Made a piece of furniture out of eucalyptus a while back. Never gonna
>do that again. Stuff is miserable to work with. Pretty much have to
>use gloves--just picking up a piece of rough-sawn lumber I ended up with
>splinters that festered.

My hands must be about 75% pure splinters by now.
You get used to it after a while

> Lots of internal stress in the boards--rip a
>straight flat piece and if it doesn't close up on the saw blade and toss
>itself across the shop then I end up with two curved or twisted pieces.
> Splits easily. And it's not even particularly pretty.

Yep. Many (most?) Eucalypt species wouldn't be the best for furniture,
or anything along those lines. Most Eucs I get for firewood don't
split easily for the reason you've already outlined.

There are hundreds of species though, I'd be surprised if there isn't
any suitable for furniture making.
--
Jeßus

"Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:11:01 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:08:20 -0500, Omelet >
>
>> >They are magnificent trees. :-)
>>
>> They can be an utter pain in the arse as well, depending on species
>> and situation.
>>
>> I recently cut down about 30 Blue Gums that the previous owners
>> thought were a good idea. Unfortunately they were a hybrid breed, bred
>> for forestry. They grow *fast* and *big* and just love to
>> spontaneously die and/or drop branches. Sad to see paddocks with no
>> trees in the short term, but I'll certainly be replacing them with
>> something more suitable.
>>
>> Can't recall which country it is, but Eucalypts have become a pest
>> there.
>
>Many people in the US consider them a pest.
>
>But, it's true, they are a magnificent pest.

They are. I just realised how anti-Eucalypt I might come across as
being... not the case at all! It's just that when you choose the wrong
Eucalypt for the wrong job or situation... they can be a major pain in
the rectum.

--
Jeßus

"Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

In article >,
Jeßus > wrote:

> >> Can't recall which country it is, but Eucalypts have become a pest
> >> there.
> >> --
> >> Jeßus
> >
> >I'll happily send you some Japanese ligustrum or Hackberry seeds... <g>
> >One man's pest is another man's treasure.
>
> Quite true. I guess it comes down to choosing the right species for
> the right location. Methinks they (whomever 'they' might be) made the
> mistake of going for species which are a little *too* successful in
> relation to other local, native species.
> --
> Jeßus

And a fast growth rate. Most people are not known for their patience. ;-)
--
Peace! Om

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*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

In article >,
Jeßus > wrote:

> >> Can't recall which country it is, but Eucalypts have become a pest
> >> there.
> >
> >Many people in the US consider them a pest.
> >
> >But, it's true, they are a magnificent pest.
>
> They are. I just realised how anti-Eucalypt I might come across as
> being... not the case at all! It's just that when you choose the wrong
> Eucalypt for the wrong job or situation... they can be a major pain in
> the rectum.
>
> --
> Jeßus

It's all a matter of perspective. :-)
--
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On 4/26/2010 12:13 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:00:15 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/20/2010 4:31 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:08:20 -0500, >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In >,
>>>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Doug > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to wonder... The scent of the leaves is similar to eucalyptus so
>>>>>>> would small amounts of that work?
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty amazed at the strength of the answers. There are eucalyptus
>>>>>> candies so clearly the stuff isn't dangerous. I get that it would be
>>>>>> overwhleming in strength so the "small amounts" to experiment would be
>>>>>> "very tiny amounts". If you have the oil a single drop would probably
>>>>>> be as strong as dozens of leaves. But what if you put a drop of the oil
>>>>>> in a small vial of neutral vegitable oil to dilute it?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Somehow eucalyptus is sharp where bay/laurel is mild. Once you got the
>>>>>> dilution down I figure it would be too different to be a substitution.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Napa County, California, vintners have long produced wines with
>>>>> notes of eucalyptus by growing grapes near rows of eucalyptus trees.
>>>>> Mondavi and Heitz are noted practicers of this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> They are magnificent trees. :-)
>>>
>>> They can be an utter pain in the arse as well, depending on species
>>> and situation.
>>>
>>> I recently cut down about 30 Blue Gums that the previous owners
>>> thought were a good idea. Unfortunately they were a hybrid breed, bred
>>> for forestry. They grow *fast* and *big* and just love to
>>> spontaneously die and/or drop branches. Sad to see paddocks with no
>>> trees in the short term, but I'll certainly be replacing them with
>>> something more suitable.
>>>
>>> Can't recall which country it is, but Eucalypts have become a pest
>>> there.
>>
>> Made a piece of furniture out of eucalyptus a while back. Never gonna
>> do that again. Stuff is miserable to work with. Pretty much have to
>> use gloves--just picking up a piece of rough-sawn lumber I ended up with
>> splinters that festered.
>
> My hands must be about 75% pure splinters by now.
> You get used to it after a while
>
>> Lots of internal stress in the boards--rip a
>> straight flat piece and if it doesn't close up on the saw blade and toss
>> itself across the shop then I end up with two curved or twisted pieces.
>> Splits easily. And it's not even particularly pretty.
>
> Yep. Many (most?) Eucalypt species wouldn't be the best for furniture,
> or anything along those lines. Most Eucs I get for firewood don't
> split easily for the reason you've already outlined.
>
> There are hundreds of species though, I'd be surprised if there isn't
> any suitable for furniture making.

Probably is, but I'm not sufficiently interested to hunt one down in the
US. If I lived in Australia it would be another story.