"blake murphy" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:01:15 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:45:54 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> Utah <snork>. I didn't even know it was still a state.
>>>>
>>>>Steve!!!!!!!! lol There is snobbery about states?? Who knew <g>
>>>
>>> I dunno about snobbery but there sure are stereotypes.
>>
>> Ahhh ok. Yes, we have those too! What are the stereotypes for Utah?
>>
>
> the rep for utah is that it is very straitlaced, since it is largely
> mormon
> (the way boston used to be largely irish catholic), and mormons are
> forbidden to use alcohol, tobacco and caffeine. but i do recall reading
> that there are topless joints in salt lake city, and that pasties aren't
> required.
>
> there used to be a lot of 'blue laws' (laws that businesses be closed on
> sundays), as sqwertz alluded to, but i don't know if this is the case
> anymore.

errr thankewverymuch )
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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

[Utah]

> the rep for utah is that it is very straitlaced, since it is largely mormon
> (the way boston used to be largely irish catholic), and mormons are
> forbidden to use alcohol, tobacco and caffeine. but i do recall reading
> that there are topless joints in salt lake city, and that pasties aren't
> required.
>
> there used to be a lot of 'blue laws' (laws that businesses be closed on
> sundays), as sqwertz alluded to, but i don't know if this is the case
> anymore.

The last time I was there (a long time ago, and it's changed since
then), the bars didn't sell booze! It was BYOB. Each bar had a liquor
store next door, and you'd stop and buy some little bottles before going
in the bar. The bars only sold "setups".

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan wrote on Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:34:52 -0700:

> [Utah]

>> the rep for utah is that it is very straitlaced, since it is
>> largely mormon (the way boston used to be largely irish
>> catholic), and mormons are forbidden to use alcohol, tobacco
>> and caffeine. but i do recall reading that there are topless
>> joints in salt lake city, and that pasties aren't required.
>>
>> there used to be a lot of 'blue laws' (laws that businesses
>> be closed on sundays), as sqwertz alluded to, but i don't
>> know if this is the case anymore.

> The last time I was there (a long time ago, and it's changed
> since then), the bars didn't sell booze! It was BYOB. Each
> bar had a liquor store next door, and you'd stop and buy some
> little bottles before going in the bar. The bars only sold
> "setups".

When I was in Moab 30 years ago I was surprised to see beer on sale in
supermarkets but the old horror stories of liquor stores attached to
restaurants were true.

Things have lightened up some:
http://www.utah.com/visitor/state_facts/liquor_laws.htm

However, beer in supermarkets is still the old 3.2 sort even now.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
> [Utah]
>
>> the rep for utah is that it is very straitlaced, since it is largely
>> mormon
>> (the way boston used to be largely irish catholic), and mormons are
>> forbidden to use alcohol, tobacco and caffeine. but i do recall reading
>> that there are topless joints in salt lake city, and that pasties aren't
>> required.
>>
>> there used to be a lot of 'blue laws' (laws that businesses be closed on
>> sundays), as sqwertz alluded to, but i don't know if this is the case
>> anymore.
>
> The last time I was there (a long time ago, and it's changed since
> then), the bars didn't sell booze! It was BYOB. Each bar had a liquor
> store next door, and you'd stop and buy some little bottles before going
> in the bar. The bars only sold "setups".
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
>

The Olympics started a ball rolling that helped to change the laws. On July
4th last, liquor by the drink therefore real liquor bars, were established
in Utah. The ones I have seen have a very limited selection of liquors, and
mostly are dance halls and have a couple of pool tables. Or are in
conjunction with a restaurant. The State still controls all the liquor sold
in stores, as the only place you can buy liquor, wine, or more than 3.2%
beer is in State owned State controlled liquor stores. Prices are about 50%
higher than in another state, beer costing around $1.75 per bottle. The
ruling establishment dislikes the use of alcohol, but does not mind at all
controlling it and all the income it generates.

Years ago, I came here from Vegas for a ski trip. I ordered a frozen
margarita at a restaurant. They brought it, tall and in a salted glass,
with one of those airplane sized bottles of tequila beside it. I asked and
they said they could not mix the ingredients, the customer had to do that.
Had it been a single malt and water, it would have been infinitely easier
than a frozen margarita.

We go to Las Vegas about twice a month. I buy all my liquor, wine, and beer
in Nevada, and even then, if a person is stopped for a traffic violation,
and is in possession of over a certain amount of booze bringing it into the
state, that opens another can of worms.

Steve

Steve B wrote:

> We go to Las Vegas about twice a month. I buy all my liquor, wine, and beer
> in Nevada, and even then, if a person is stopped for a traffic violation,
> and is in possession of over a certain amount of booze bringing it into the
> state, that opens another can of worms.

That's good to know. I'll be staying several days in Park City this
August and planned on bringing my own adult beverages. Do you know what
the limits are?

--Lin (will be driving the fast car and doesn't want to take too many
chances)

"Lin" > wrote in message
.. .
> Steve B wrote:
>
>> We go to Las Vegas about twice a month. I buy all my liquor, wine, and
>> beer in Nevada, and even then, if a person is stopped for a traffic
>> violation, and is in possession of over a certain amount of booze
>> bringing it into the state, that opens another can of worms.
>
> That's good to know. I'll be staying several days in Park City this August
> and planned on bringing my own adult beverages. Do you know what the
> limits are?
>
> --Lin (will be driving the fast car and doesn't want to take too many
> chances)

If you are driving, I would not be concerned unless you bring more than a
truck load. But DEFINITELY, based on availability and cost, bring your own.
Like going to Hawaii, I counseled a friend just Saturday to take as much
groceries in non perishables as they could take, or to ship ahead, as
Hawaiian grocery prices are far far more ridiculous than Utah liquor prices.
Remember, Utah beer that is more than 3.2 is $1.75 a bottle, so if you like
beer, that will be a huge savings. You'd be able to afford hosting a party
and meeting a lot of new Utards.

When I was young, we used to come up to southern Utah, with a friend from
Vegas who was from Southern Utah. We used to bring adult beverages, and
other enticements of the 60's. We were hedonistically in demand by the
local females who found the local males "boring".

I still have dreams.................... ;-)


Steve

http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:34:52 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>The last time I was there (a long time ago, and it's changed since
>then), the bars didn't sell booze! It was BYOB. Each bar had a liquor
>store next door, and you'd stop and buy some little bottles before going
>in the bar. The bars only sold "setups".

Texas did the same thing back in the 70s that I know about. You had to
be a "member" of the bar, as well, IIRC.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as warm as the wine,
if the wine had been as old as the turkey,
and if the turkey had had a breast like the maid,
it would have been a swell dinner." Duncan Hines


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"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:34:52 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>The last time I was there (a long time ago, and it's changed since
>>then), the bars didn't sell booze! It was BYOB. Each bar had a liquor
>>store next door, and you'd stop and buy some little bottles before going
>>in the bar. The bars only sold "setups".
>
> Texas did the same thing back in the 70s that I know about. You had to
> be a "member" of the bar, as well, IIRC.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

I lived there in 1973 or so when they changed. Worked as a bartender during
the "private club" days. After that, owned part of a corporation that had
six bars. It went wild after opening up the laws.

Talk about stupid laws ......... while driving through Kansas, I stopped at
a very rural steak house. On the road like the Bates Motel. Law was that
there had to be a separation between the drinking area and the eating area.
The separation was a bead curtain, each string spaced 6" apart.

In Muskogee, Oklahoma, there was a building. Two doors on the front. One
door, IIRC, you could buy liquor and warm beer. The other you could buy
cold beer and wine. Down the center was a 4 foot high wall, so you could
throw a football from one side of the store to the other, but not walk
through.

I'm glad we have legislators to protect us from ourselves.

Steve

On Apr 24, 10:19*pm, "Steve B" > wrote:
> "Blackboard Support Specialist" > wrote in onster.com...
>
> > "ViLco" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Steve B wrote:
>
> >>> Did you get it that time, Bunkie?
>
> >> **** off, Steve
>
> > WTF with the Steve obsession still?
>
> > TFM®
>
> They are all obsessed with me, and won't leave me alone. *I think they envy
> me. *Writer, retired, successful, secure, talented, good looking, property
> owner, passive income streams, in decent shape, can bowl well, play a wicked
> pool game, rescue dogs, help out bums on the street, a Groundhog Day kinda
> guy.
>
> I am flattered by the flattery, actually.
>
> Stevehttp://cabgbypasssurgery.comand soon to be a book
>
> Life is good.

Dude, if you had cardiac bypass surgery you're not in "decent shape"
by any normal definition.
But it's good to see somebody besides me, squertz and Tim May using
complete sentence's (obJerry)
-OG

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:57:28 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:34:52 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>The last time I was there (a long time ago, and it's changed since
>>then), the bars didn't sell booze! It was BYOB. Each bar had a liquor
>>store next door, and you'd stop and buy some little bottles before going
>>in the bar. The bars only sold "setups".
>
> Texas did the same thing back in the 70s that I know about. You had to
> be a "member" of the bar, as well, IIRC.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

i think you'll find (or used to find) the 'bottle clubs' in certain
counties scattered throughout the south. i suppose it's a step up from
being completely dry.

your pal,
blake

"aogilmore" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 24, 10:19 pm, "Steve B" > wrote:
> "Blackboard Support Specialist" > wrote in
> onster.com...
>
> > "ViLco" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Steve B wrote:
>
> >>> Did you get it that time, Bunkie?
>
> >> **** off, Steve
>
> > WTF with the Steve obsession still?
>
> > TFM®
>
> They are all obsessed with me, and won't leave me alone. I think they envy
> me. Writer, retired, successful, secure, talented, good looking, property
> owner, passive income streams, in decent shape, can bowl well, play a
> wicked
> pool game, rescue dogs, help out bums on the street, a Groundhog Day kinda
> guy.
>
> I am flattered by the flattery, actually.
>
> Stevehttp://cabgbypasssurgery.comand soon to be a book
>
> Life is good.

Dude, if you had cardiac bypass surgery you're not in "decent shape"
by any normal definition.
But it's good to see somebody besides me, squertz and Tim May using
complete sentence's (obJerry)
-OG

I'm 62. Last year, I snorkeled at Kauai. I finally sold my K2 snow skis,
after skiing last winter. I ride ATVs. I unloaded 2200# of pavers last
week by myself. I do okay. I have seen some people I graduated high school
with, and they are definitely not in "decent shape." I'm 5'10" and weigh
180. That sounds "decent" to me. I'll still work a lot of younger men into
the ground. Plus, I use complete sentences.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:20:10 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>i think you'll find (or used to find) the 'bottle clubs' in certain
>counties scattered throughout the south. i suppose it's a step up from
>being completely dry.

My father was born and raised in Winston County AL, which has been dry
as a bone forever, AFAICS, but has a *lot* of home breweries scattered
all over the county. IIRC, the code for finding the stuff is to call
someone who might know and ask if they have any "medicine." The first
time I heard my aunt ask one of her old classmates in this manner, I
nearly fell over laughing. I think the DH's eyes are still watering
over his one and only run in with white lightning.

And one of my favorite anecdotes about Winston County is, when Alabama
seceded from the Union, Winston County seceded from the state. To this
day, the old timers call it "the Free State of Winston." Winston
County was too damned poor to have a dog in that fight ;-)

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as warm as the wine,
if the wine had been as old as the turkey,
and if the turkey had had a breast like the maid,
it would have been a swell dinner." Duncan Hines


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"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:20:10 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>i think you'll find (or used to find) the 'bottle clubs' in certain
>>counties scattered throughout the south. i suppose it's a step up from
>>being completely dry.
>
> My father was born and raised in Winston County AL, which has been dry
> as a bone forever, AFAICS, but has a *lot* of home breweries scattered
> all over the county. IIRC, the code for finding the stuff is to call
> someone who might know and ask if they have any "medicine." The first
> time I heard my aunt ask one of her old classmates in this manner, I
> nearly fell over laughing. I think the DH's eyes are still watering
> over his one and only run in with white lightning.
>
> And one of my favorite anecdotes about Winston County is, when Alabama
> seceded from the Union, Winston County seceded from the state. To this
> day, the old timers call it "the Free State of Winston." Winston
> County was too damned poor to have a dog in that fight ;-)
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

Last week, my sister (65) informed me that our grandfather, a Polish
immigrant, apparently was a bootlegger in his little neighborhood in rural
Pennsylvania, and rumor has it, a pretty good one.

Steve

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:20:10 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:57:28 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:34:52 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>
>>>The last time I was there (a long time ago, and it's changed since
>>>then), the bars didn't sell booze! It was BYOB. Each bar had a liquor
>>>store next door, and you'd stop and buy some little bottles before going
>>>in the bar. The bars only sold "setups".
>>
>> Texas did the same thing back in the 70s that I know about. You had to
>> be a "member" of the bar, as well, IIRC.
>>
>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>
>i think you'll find (or used to find) the 'bottle clubs' in certain
>counties scattered throughout the south. i suppose it's a step up from
>being completely dry.

There's "social clubs" here still. The doors are locked and some have
a sign but most don't. You join by invitation only and get a key.
Liquor is served with no license. So it's cheap. The ones I've been
to are Italian so they all had fancy espresso machines. Most of the
"social" activities are gambling. They also have poker machines.
These places were bigger before gambling boats were so common but
they're still scattered around.

Lou

that was pueblo co. Lee
"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:51:14 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you are thinking of the first really popular word processing
>> program, Word Perfect, that was developed in Provo, Utah.
>
> That makes sense. Isn't that where all those commercials from the
> 70's told us to write to receive government publications?
>
> -sw