So are you watching tonight and what are you making? We're having
Maxwell Street polish sausage. It's one of the classic Chicago food
items. We've got some great rolls from Molino Bakery. Wrapped in
foil for a few minutes in the oven they make wonderful sausage rolls.
I ate all the deli kraut so I'll have to settle for Franks. Grilled
onions, yellow mustard, and sport peppers and I'm in heaven. The
house Polak will just have yellow mustard and pickles. No fries just
a few chips on the side and a small salad and we'll be all set for a
night in front of the tube. The strawberry thread has me somewhat
inspired to make ice cream. If there's time I will.

You?

Lou

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:45:36 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

>
>So are you watching tonight and what are you making? We're having
>Maxwell Street polish sausage. It's one of the classic Chicago food
>items. We've got some great rolls from Molino Bakery. Wrapped in
>foil for a few minutes in the oven they make wonderful sausage rolls.
>I ate all the deli kraut so I'll have to settle for Franks. Grilled
>onions, yellow mustard, and sport peppers and I'm in heaven. The
>house Polak will just have yellow mustard and pickles. No fries just
>a few chips on the side and a small salad and we'll be all set for a
>night in front of the tube. The strawberry thread has me somewhat
>inspired to make ice cream. If there's time I will.

Not sure yet. I defrosted some chicken thighs to fix fried chicken,
and so I can figure out how much fat I use, but I may get sick in the
middle of watching and want to throw them away..LOL.

Another option is a vegetarian dish I have been meaning to fix. It is
a pasta dish with mustard greens, cranberry beans, and a short pasta,
which in this case would be rotini. The beans are cooked already..so
just have to put it together.

No strawberries here that are ripe enough... Waiting til I can get
some really decent ripe ones....

Unfortunately, it comes on at the same time as Top Chef Masters 2...so
I may be flipping back and forth between the channels...

Christine

On Apr 21, 2:45*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> So are you watching tonight and what are you making? *We're having
> Maxwell Street polish sausage. *It's one of the classic Chicago food
> items. *We've got some great rolls from Molino Bakery. *Wrapped in
> foil for a few minutes in the oven they make wonderful sausage rolls.
> I ate all the deli kraut so I'll have to settle for Franks. *Grilled
> onions, yellow mustard, and sport peppers and I'm in heaven. *The
> house Polak will just have yellow mustard and pickles. *No fries just
> a few chips on the side and a small salad and we'll be all set for a
> night in front of the tube. *The strawberry thread has me somewhat
> inspired to make ice cream. *If there's time I will.
>
> You?
>
> Lou * *

Is that you, Andy?

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
> wrote:

>On Apr 21, 2:45*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>> So are you watching tonight and what are you making? *We're having
>> Maxwell Street polish sausage. *It's one of the classic Chicago food
>> items. *We've got some great rolls from Molino Bakery. *Wrapped in
>> foil for a few minutes in the oven they make wonderful sausage rolls.
>> I ate all the deli kraut so I'll have to settle for Franks. *Grilled
>> onions, yellow mustard, and sport peppers and I'm in heaven. *The
>> house Polak will just have yellow mustard and pickles. *No fries just
>> a few chips on the side and a small salad and we'll be all set for a
>> night in front of the tube. *The strawberry thread has me somewhat
>> inspired to make ice cream. *If there's time I will.
>>
>> You?
>>
>> Lou * *
>
>Is that you, Andy?

Why don't you do some thinking for a week or two and come back and
start an on-topic thread for a change. Ask a question, posts results
of a recipe you made, or even make a useful comment for a change.

Lou

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:55:22 -0600, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:45:36 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:
>
>>
>>So are you watching tonight and what are you making? We're having
>>Maxwell Street polish sausage. It's one of the classic Chicago food
>>items. We've got some great rolls from Molino Bakery. Wrapped in
>>foil for a few minutes in the oven they make wonderful sausage rolls.
>>I ate all the deli kraut so I'll have to settle for Franks. Grilled
>>onions, yellow mustard, and sport peppers and I'm in heaven. The
>>house Polak will just have yellow mustard and pickles. No fries just
>>a few chips on the side and a small salad and we'll be all set for a
>>night in front of the tube. The strawberry thread has me somewhat
>>inspired to make ice cream. If there's time I will.
>
>Not sure yet. I defrosted some chicken thighs to fix fried chicken,
>and so I can figure out how much fat I use, but I may get sick in the
>middle of watching and want to throw them away..LOL.

Too funny! I was just starting to reply and Louise walked in and
suggested we eat first.

>Another option is a vegetarian dish I have been meaning to fix. It is
>a pasta dish with mustard greens, cranberry beans, and a short pasta,
>which in this case would be rotini. The beans are cooked already..so
>just have to put it together.
>
>No strawberries here that are ripe enough... Waiting til I can get
>some really decent ripe ones....

That's weird. I'd think you'd have them before us. These look pretty
nice. I'm lazy as hell tonight so we'll just nibble on them.

Lou

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:59:12 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

>That's weird. I'd think you'd have them before us. These look pretty
>nice. I'm lazy as hell tonight so we'll just nibble on them.
>
>Lou

No..everyone seems to think that NM has a long growing season and that
we are warm, etc.

Yes, we are farther south than you all are, but our altitude (over a
mile above sea level) makes us have cooler weather for longer. I
think the latest frost date is April 15 or thereabouts. We have way
below freezing temps in the winter, sometimes in the single digits...

The farmers markets here don't get started here in town til sometime
in May, for the earliest ones...and then they don;t have that much.
The spring veggies start showing up here when summer vegetables are
showing up elsewhere..

Christine

On 2010-04-22, Pinstripe Sniper > wrote:

> I was intrigued by open air, old school chicken prep line.
> The birds go into the upside down cones (rather quietly and calmly I
> thought) get their throats cut, bleed out, then go into the hot water
> defeathering thing and then get gutted and plopped into a cold water
> bath?

I grew up in Modesto CA, home of Foster Farms. Strange, cuz the only
presence I ever saw as a kid was Foster Farms milk plant and
products. Anyway, we still got our chickens in the supermarket like
most ppl. It wasn't till my brother and I got farmed out to a 15 acre
ranch in Oakdale CA when we were kids.

What an experience. Learned to fish, hunt and other things not
endorsed by the local Baptist church. One thing was seeing the ranch
chickens served up for dinner. Ed, the man of the house, would grab
the most deserving Banty rooster and put his head on a particularly
large fence post that was also the resting place for a most fearsome
cleaver. Head down, one stroke, then release. The poor headless bird ran
around like --dare I say it-- a chicken with its head cut off, spewing
blood everywhere. When it finally dropped, it was thrown into a
bucket of boiling water to soak for a few minutes prior to plucking.
Later, got to see a young steer shot, hung up, and butchered on the
spot.

I wish both my daughter and granddaughters could see it just once. I
wish all kids could. Gives meaning to what you eat. Not only that,
but after fresh calves liver for dinner, that night, I've loved liver
ever since.

nb

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:45:36 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> So are you watching tonight and what are you making? We're having
> Maxwell Street polish sausage. It's one of the classic Chicago food
> items. We've got some great rolls from Molino Bakery. Wrapped in
> foil for a few minutes in the oven they make wonderful sausage rolls.
> I ate all the deli kraut so I'll have to settle for Franks. Grilled
> onions, yellow mustard, and sport peppers and I'm in heaven. The
> house Polak will just have yellow mustard and pickles. No fries just
> a few chips on the side and a small salad and we'll be all set for a
> night in front of the tube. The strawberry thread has me somewhat
> inspired to make ice cream. If there's time I will.
>
> You?
>
> Lou

i watched but didn't make anything.

i thought it was interesting, but most of that stuff i knew already. i do
hope the lady chicken farmer under contract to tyson found another market
for her birds.

i was expecting more about the pig shit lagoons, though. if you're going
to muckrake, rake some muck!

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:58:55 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:45:36 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> So are you watching tonight and what are you making? We're having
>> Maxwell Street polish sausage. It's one of the classic Chicago food
>> items. We've got some great rolls from Molino Bakery. Wrapped in
>> foil for a few minutes in the oven they make wonderful sausage rolls.
>> I ate all the deli kraut so I'll have to settle for Franks. Grilled
>> onions, yellow mustard, and sport peppers and I'm in heaven. The
>> house Polak will just have yellow mustard and pickles. No fries just
>> a few chips on the side and a small salad and we'll be all set for a
>> night in front of the tube. The strawberry thread has me somewhat
>> inspired to make ice cream. If there's time I will.
>>
>> You?
>>
>> Lou
>
>i watched but didn't make anything.
>
>i thought it was interesting, but most of that stuff i knew already.

Yeah, I've read enough that most was redundant but the visuals were
worth watching.

> i do hope the lady chicken farmer under contract to tyson found another market
>for her birds.

It was pretty sad that the farmers have half a million debt but only
make 18K a year. The walmart control effect essentially.

>i was expecting more about the pig shit lagoons, though. if you're going
>to muckrake, rake some muck!

I remember you commented on the free range pig article I posted some
time back. That's a much different world.

Someone from another group said she might give up eating after
watching.

Lou

On 2010-04-23, Lou Decruss > wrote:

> Someone from another group said she might give up eating after
> watching.

Not the first nor likely the last food expose.

I recall one from the 70s, Consumer Beware or Buyer Beware. Something
like that. It went into gruesome detail as to what is actually in
your food. The growth stimulants, antibiotics, etc, that allow
animals to pack on weight in the least amount of time. Pesticides
that are implanted in the animal instead of the old fashion "dips" meant
we were eating poisons that were spread by the animals blood stream.
Can't wash that stuff off. I read the first half of the book, and
quit just before the chapters on fruits and vegetables. I didn't eat
meat for six months! :|

nb

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:36:27 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:58:55 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:45:36 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>>> So are you watching tonight and what are you making? We're having
>>> Maxwell Street polish sausage. It's one of the classic Chicago food
>>> items. We've got some great rolls from Molino Bakery. Wrapped in
>>> foil for a few minutes in the oven they make wonderful sausage rolls.
>>> I ate all the deli kraut so I'll have to settle for Franks. Grilled
>>> onions, yellow mustard, and sport peppers and I'm in heaven. The
>>> house Polak will just have yellow mustard and pickles. No fries just
>>> a few chips on the side and a small salad and we'll be all set for a
>>> night in front of the tube. The strawberry thread has me somewhat
>>> inspired to make ice cream. If there's time I will.
>>>
>>> You?
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>>i watched but didn't make anything.
>>
>>i thought it was interesting, but most of that stuff i knew already.
>
> Yeah, I've read enough that most was redundant but the visuals were
> worth watching.
>
>> i do hope the lady chicken farmer under contract to tyson found another market
>>for her birds.
>
> It was pretty sad that the farmers have half a million debt but only
> make 18K a year. The walmart control effect essentially.

that little item astounded me also. better she should have gone into
dealing dope.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:57:58 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2010-04-23, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> Someone from another group said she might give up eating after
>> watching.
>
>Not the first nor likely the last food expose.
>
>I recall one from the 70s, Consumer Beware or Buyer Beware. Something
>like that. It went into gruesome detail as to what is actually in
>your food. The growth stimulants, antibiotics, etc, that allow
>animals to pack on weight in the least amount of time. Pesticides
>that are implanted in the animal instead of the old fashion "dips" meant
>we were eating poisons that were spread by the animals blood stream.
>Can't wash that stuff off. I read the first half of the book, and
>quit just before the chapters on fruits and vegetables. I didn't eat
>meat for six months! :|
>
>nb

I am not quitting meat/poultry or fish, but I am going to be careful
of my sources. I am thinking my diet will become a lot more
vegetarian from now on...with occasional splurges of good meat from
reputable sources.

Thankfully, it is looking like I will have more ready access to good
sources of good meat, veggies, etc. I can't say much more than that
until the whole deal is inked and delivered..etc.

But it is close to other rfc'ers...and it is pretty close to where I
want to be.

Thankfully, I have most of my vegetarian cookbooks with me, and might
be bringing a few more.

Ya know, the thought occurred to me, that some of us are slipping back
to the past, whereby we don't eat much meat and save the times for
when we do, for celebratory times. That seems to be the case for many
cultures.


Christine

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:38:13 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:36:27 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

>>
>> It was pretty sad that the farmers have half a million debt but only
>> make 18K a year. The walmart control effect essentially.
>
>that little item astounded me also. better she should have gone into
>dealing dope.

That's like a minimum wage job. I dunno about dealing. She's
probably too old to hook though.

Lou

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:53:35 -0700, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> It was pretty sad that the farmers have half a million debt but only
>> make 18K a year. The walmart control effect essentially.
>
> It's not just walmart.

Yeah. I was getting at the control the big guys have over the common
folk.

>We live in corporate farm and agribusiness
>country. All the farmers are in debt. Sure, they have lots of
>equipment, fancy houses, but they are basically indentured servants.
>The fellow from whom we bought our house short platted the property, we
>wanted more land and he said in five years he might be amenable to that.
>We figure with the debt load he has, we won't have much of a problem
>getting more land so long as we can afford it.
>
>> >i was expecting more about the pig shit lagoons, though. if you're going
>> >to muckrake, rake some muck!
>>
>> I remember you commented on the free range pig article I posted some
>> time back. That's a much different world.
>
> This is so true. We live about seven miles from a dry lot dairy
>farm. The smell from it is horrifying. Meanwhile, our neighbor has 30
>or 40 head of cattle on his land, grazing and you can't smell anything.
>They aren't confined, there is plenty of land for them, much more than
>the dairy allots for their cows. One of the properties we looked at
>when we were first moving here was larger, both in the house and the
>land, fenced well, with trees and such. However, it was on the main
>drag out of town and just across, diagonally, from that dairy. There is
>no way in Hades that we would have bought the house. Even though,
>technically, it was a better property than ours here. Proper management
>makes a huge difference in the health of the animals, and therefore
>their meat and dairy or eggs, likewise in the quality of the air around
>them.

They said if the cows were allowed to graze they'd pass 80% of the
ecoli in 5 days. Amazing....

Lou

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:26:13 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:38:13 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:36:27 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It was pretty sad that the farmers have half a million debt but only
>>> make 18K a year. The walmart control effect essentially.
>>
>>that little item astounded me also. better she should have gone into
>>dealing dope.
>
> That's like a minimum wage job. I dunno about dealing. She's
> probably too old to hook though.
>
> Lou

oh, i don't know. she looked like she might have some potential in terms
of not being a bullshit artist.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:20:28 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:53:35 -0700, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>
>>> It was pretty sad that the farmers have half a million debt but only
>>> make 18K a year. The walmart control effect essentially.
>>
>> It's not just walmart.
>
> Yeah. I was getting at the control the big guys have over the common
> folk.

i know that sometimes you think of me as a pinko, but this is the crux of
this issue (and many others). when that much money (and in america, money
usually equals power) is concentrated in just a few hands, the result for
the average slob isn't a good one.

(note that this doesn't mean making sure no one has too much money - just
doing what we can so that it *doesn't* equal political power. god only
knows how that can be done, though.)

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:55:53 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:26:13 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:38:13 -0400, blake murphy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:36:27 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> It was pretty sad that the farmers have half a million debt but only
>>>> make 18K a year. The walmart control effect essentially.
>>>
>>>that little item astounded me also. better she should have gone into
>>>dealing dope.
>>
>> That's like a minimum wage job. I dunno about dealing. She's
>> probably too old to hook though.
>>
>> Lou
>
>oh, i don't know. she looked like she might have some potential in terms
>of not being a bullshit artist.

That leaves political life out of her future.

Lou

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:07:34 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:20:28 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:53:35 -0700, Ranee at Arabian Knits
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was pretty sad that the farmers have half a million debt but only
>>>> make 18K a year. The walmart control effect essentially.
>>>
>>> It's not just walmart.
>>
>> Yeah. I was getting at the control the big guys have over the common
>> folk.
>
>i know that sometimes you think of me as a pinko,

Only because of what you've said. I've been trying to stay out of the
OT political stuff here not only because it doesn't belong here but
extreme views from EITHER side annoy me.

>but this is the crux of this issue (and many others).

Yep that's why I said what I did.

>when that much money (and in america, money
>usually equals power) is concentrated in just a few hands, the result for
>the average slob isn't a good one.

And when the power is used to control something as important as the
food we eat the power has turned into something evil.

>(note that this doesn't mean making sure no one has too much money - just
>doing what we can so that it *doesn't* equal political power.

On this I'll agree.

>god only knows how that can be done, though.)

"He who has the gold makes the rules" has always been how things are.
No matter what the "gold" actually is there will always be an alpha
unit of some sort. The problem is someone (or group) with to drive
and talent to rise to that status in most cases is selfish. Recorded
history is a mere blip on a timeliness but Utopia has never existed.
I don't believe in Adam and Eve but even when they had it human nature
led them to ruin it. IMO the world of today is closer to a Dystopia.

Lou

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:34:01 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:07:34 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:20:28 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:53:35 -0700, Ranee at Arabian Knits
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article >,
>>>> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It was pretty sad that the farmers have half a million debt but only
>>>>> make 18K a year. The walmart control effect essentially.
>>>>
>>>> It's not just walmart.
>>>
>>> Yeah. I was getting at the control the big guys have over the common
>>> folk.
>>
>>i know that sometimes you think of me as a pinko,
>
> Only because of what you've said. I've been trying to stay out of the
> OT political stuff here not only because it doesn't belong here but
> extreme views from EITHER side annoy me.
>
>>but this is the crux of this issue (and many others).
>
> Yep that's why I said what I did.
>
>>when that much money (and in america, money
>>usually equals power) is concentrated in just a few hands, the result for
>>the average slob isn't a good one.
>
> And when the power is used to control something as important as the
> food we eat the power has turned into something evil.
>
>>(note that this doesn't mean making sure no one has too much money - just
>>doing what we can so that it *doesn't* equal political power.
>
> On this I'll agree.
>
>>god only knows how that can be done, though.)
>
> "He who has the gold makes the rules" has always been how things are.
> No matter what the "gold" actually is there will always be an alpha
> unit of some sort. The problem is someone (or group) with to drive
> and talent to rise to that status in most cases is selfish. Recorded
> history is a mere blip on a timeliness but Utopia has never existed.
> I don't believe in Adam and Eve but even when they had it human nature
> led them to ruin it. IMO the world of today is closer to a Dystopia.
>
> Lou

it may be a dystopia, but it's diverting if you have a roof over your head
and enough to eat.

your pal,
blake