I've wanted one for years but could never afford it. Now I can and
there's one as a show stopper on the shopping network. It's a lift
type which I prefer to a tilt-head.
The specs:
Direct Drive Transmission,
67 Point Planetary Mixing Action
Flour Power rating: 12 cups (2.8L)
Multipurpose attachment hub with removable cover
450 Watts of Power (why don't they ever tell you HP instead?)

Includes
1 x Deluxe 5 Stand Mixer
1 x Bowl with Handle (stainless steel)- 5 qt (4.73 L)
1 x Wire Whip(aluminum)
1 x Dough Hook (coated metal)
1 x Flat Beater(coated metal)
1 x Pouring Shield (polycarbonate)
1 x Bonus 3 qt Bowl (stainless steel)
1 x Bonus Combi-Whip(aluminum)

$299 Cdn + S&H + tax.

I mostly want it for small batches of bread since arthritis is making
kneading a bit difficult.

Opinions?

"Gabby" > wrote in message
...
> I've wanted one for years but could never afford it. Now I can and
> there's one as a show stopper on the shopping network. It's a lift
> type which I prefer to a tilt-head.

My preference also.

> 450 Watts of Power (why don't they ever tell you HP instead?)

Fractional HP motors are better rated in watts. That is about .6 hp. In
other countries, all motors are listed in kW.


>
> Includes
> 1 x Deluxe 5 Stand Mixer
> 1 x Bowl with Handle (stainless steel)- 5 qt (4.73 L)
> 1 x Wire Whip(aluminum)
> 1 x Dough Hook (coated metal)
> 1 x Flat Beater(coated metal)
> 1 x Pouring Shield (polycarbonate)
> 1 x Bonus 3 qt Bowl (stainless steel)
> 1 x Bonus Combi-Whip(aluminum)
>
> $299 Cdn + S&H + tax.
>
> I mostly want it for small batches of bread since arthritis is making
> kneading a bit difficult.
>
> Opinions?

If the price is comparable with other sources, order it. Consider some of
the attachments down the road too. The pasta maker is so much easier to use
than the hand cranked Atlas, the meat grinder does a pretty good job too.

On Apr 24, 11:30*am, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Gabby" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > I've wanted one for years but could never afford it. *Now I can and
> > there's one as a show stopper on the shopping network. *It's a lift
> > type which I prefer to a tilt-head.
>
> My preference also.
>
> > 450 Watts of Power (why don't they ever tell you HP instead?)
>
> Fractional HP motors are better rated in watts. * That is about .6 hp. *In
> other countries, all motors are listed in kW.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Includes
> > 1 x Deluxe 5 Stand Mixer
> > 1 x Bowl with Handle (stainless steel)- 5 qt (4.73 L)
> > 1 x Wire Whip(aluminum)
> > 1 x Dough Hook (coated metal)
> > 1 x Flat Beater(coated metal)
> > 1 x Pouring Shield (polycarbonate)
> > 1 x Bonus 3 qt Bowl (stainless steel)
> > 1 x Bonus Combi-Whip(aluminum)
>
> > $299 Cdn + S&H + tax.
>
> > I mostly want it for small batches of bread since arthritis is making
> > kneading a bit difficult.
>
> > Opinions?
>
> If the price is comparable with other sources, order it. *Consider some of
> the attachments down the road too. *The pasta maker is so much easier to use
> than the hand cranked Atlas, the meat grinder does a pretty good job too.

This model usually retails for $499 without the bonus bowl & Combi-
Whip.

On Apr 24, 8:01*am, Gabby > wrote:

>
> No, it's the Deluxe 5. *They say it's a step up from the Artisan
> series -- but then they say a lot of things to sell product, don't
> they. *Hubby is saying "Hey, you've wanted one for years, ORDER IT!"
> but I wanted other opinions since I'm not a shopping channel devotee
> and am skeptical of 'too good to be true' offers.

Buy it. It's a great price and you will be instantly in love. I
have a white one that is now probably 20 years old, and 325 watts,
hass the lift bowl and has served faithfully through everything you
can imagine. If the new ones are half as good as the old one, you
will be using it for the rest of your life.

In article
>,
Gabby > wrote:

> I've wanted one for years but could never afford it. Now I can and
> there's one as a show stopper on the shopping network. It's a lift
> type which I prefer to a tilt-head.
> The specs:
> Direct Drive Transmission,
> 67 Point Planetary Mixing Action
> Flour Power rating: 12 cups (2.8L)
> Multipurpose attachment hub with removable cover
> 450 Watts of Power (why don't they ever tell you HP instead?)
>
> Includes
> 1 x Deluxe 5 Stand Mixer
> 1 x Bowl with Handle (stainless steel)- 5 qt (4.73 L)
> 1 x Wire Whip(aluminum)
> 1 x Dough Hook (coated metal)
> 1 x Flat Beater(coated metal)
> 1 x Pouring Shield (polycarbonate)
> 1 x Bonus 3 qt Bowl (stainless steel)
> 1 x Bonus Combi-Whip(aluminum)
>
> $299 Cdn + S&H + tax.
>
> I mostly want it for small batches of bread since arthritis is making
> kneading a bit difficult.
>
> Opinions?

My opinion is I don't like shopping networks!

However, for comparison, here's Costco in the US:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...022&whse=BC&Ne
=4000000&eCat=BC|103|28485|28507&N=4009928&Mo=4&po s=4&No=4&Nr=P_CatalogNa
me:BC&cat=28507&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&ec=BC-EC22234-C
at90&topnav=

There are a number of differences. Looks like the dollar is about the
same. Costco includes free shipping (but not to Canada, at least from
this site). The accessories are a little different.

Note that this mixer may be available in the stores. There are a number
of stores in Canada. The price and accessories may be different.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article
>,
Gabby > wrote:

> On Apr 24, 3:44*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> > On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0700 (PDT), Gabby wrote:

> > > they. *Hubby is saying "Hey, you've wanted one for years, ORDER IT!"

> > nice of your old man, unless in return he expects to be able to buy a boat.

> A big-screen TV, in fact.

But do you get to watch the tv, also?

And will he get to use the mixer, also?

:-)

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:32:17 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article
>,
> Gabby > wrote:
>
>> On Apr 24, 3:44*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>> > On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0700 (PDT), Gabby wrote:
>
>> > > they. *Hubby is saying "Hey, you've wanted one for years, ORDER IT!"
>
>> > nice of your old man, unless in return he expects to be able to buy a boat.
>
>> A big-screen TV, in fact.
>
>But do you get to watch the tv, also?
>
>And will he get to use the mixer, also?
>
>:-)

Does he get to eat what she makes ?

koko
--

There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw

www.kokoscornerblog.com
updated 04/17/10

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:40:50 -0700 (PDT), Gabby > wrote:

>This model usually retails for $499 without the bonus bowl & Combi-
>Whip.

Ummm, the six-quart, 575-watt mixer lists for $499 and sells for $349 on
Amazon...

-- Larry

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:40:50 -0700 (PDT), Gabby > wrote:

>This model usually retails for $499 without the bonus bowl & Combi-
>Whip.

Ummm, the six-quart, 575-watt mixer lists for $499 and sells for $349 on
Amazon...

-- Larry

On Apr 24, 7:36*am, Gabby > wrote:
> I've wanted one for years but could never afford it. *Now I can and
> there's one as a show stopper on the shopping network. *It's a lift
> type which I prefer to a tilt-head.
> The specs:
> Direct Drive Transmission,
> 67 Point Planetary Mixing Action
> Flour Power rating: 12 cups (2.8L)
> Multipurpose attachment hub with removable cover
> 450 Watts of Power (why don't they ever tell you HP instead?)
>
> Includes
> 1 x Deluxe 5 Stand Mixer
> 1 x Bowl with Handle (stainless steel)- 5 qt (4.73 L)
> 1 x Wire Whip(aluminum)
> 1 x Dough Hook (coated metal)
> 1 x Flat Beater(coated metal)
> 1 x Pouring Shield (polycarbonate)
> 1 x Bonus 3 qt Bowl (stainless steel)
> 1 x Bonus Combi-Whip(aluminum)
>
> $299 Cdn + S&H + tax.
>
> I mostly want it for small batches of bread since arthritis is making
> kneading a bit difficult.
>
> Opinions?

Seems like a reasonably good price. Go for it. That's about what I
paid for mine years ago on sale, and I didn't get the extra bowl with
it.

N.

Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> "Gabby" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I've wanted one for years but could never afford it. Now I can and

> > 450 Watts of Power (why don't they ever tell you HP instead?)

> Fractional HP motors are better rated in watts. That is about .6 hp. In
> other countries, all motors are listed in kW.

That's input power, and while electric motors are generally 90+% efficient,
it's still not a very good way to rate them.

On a somewhat related note I heard on the radio the other day
that lawnmower makers were basically labeling 4, 5 and 6 horespower
on identical engines depending on which model it was installed on.
Makes you wonder.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...ettlement.html

Is there *really* a difference between the 425 and 450 watt motor
in a KitcheAide?

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:45:11 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> "Gabby" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > I've wanted one for years but could never afford it. Now I can and
>
>> > 450 Watts of Power (why don't they ever tell you HP instead?)
>
>> Fractional HP motors are better rated in watts. That is about .6 hp. In
>> other countries, all motors are listed in kW.
>
>That's input power, and while electric motors are generally 90+% efficient,
>it's still not a very good way to rate them.

Watts is always power *consumed*, has nothing to do with input or
output... watts has all to do with your electric bill. All electrical
products in the US must be labeled with power consumption (kwh).
Electrical motors not intended for commercial use do not need to list
Horsepower, only those intended for commercial use. The Kitchenaid
mixer is not promoted for commercial use, in fact their warranty
clearly states that commercial use voids the warranty. If Kitchenaid
disclosed the actual Horsepower of their mixers no one would by them,
it's miniscule. Their use of "Watts" is very misleading advertising
ploy, how they are getting away with it is a mystery to me.... most of
the watts consumed by a KA mixer are used to produce heat, not shaft
Horsepower. The KA mixer is the most expensive hair drier on the
market. Something folks don't realize; the higher wattage KAs are
better for high speed mixing of light ingredients like egg whites and
cream. The lower wattage units are better for slower mixing of
heavier ingredients like bread doughs... to comprehend this one needs
to understand how foot pounds of torque relate to bowl diameter, the
larger the bowl diameter the more of the energy consumed is used to
produce heat. Unless physically handicapped no home cook needs a KA
stand mixer, it's essentially a status symbol is all... folks like to
display them so visitors will think they know how to cook... tells me
that those folks can't cook a lick.

>On a somewhat related note I heard on the radio the other day
>that lawnmower makers were basically labeling 4, 5 and 6 horespower
>on identical engines depending on which model it was installed on.
>Makes you wonder.
>
>http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...ettlement.html
>
>Is there *really* a difference between the 425 and 450 watt motor
>in a KitcheAide?
>
>Bill Ranck
>Blacksburg, Va.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:47:12 -0400, brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Unless physically handicapped no home cook needs a KA
>stand mixer, it's essentially a status symbol is all... folks like to
>display them so visitors will think they know how to cook... tells me
>that those folks can't cook a lick.

I dunno...It sure comes in handy when making my fruitcake. That
batter almost fills up the bowl, and when I start adding fruit, it
becomes really difficult to mix it in. The mixer makes it a lot
easier work.
By the time the batter starts getting too much for the KA bowl, I
transfer it to a huge pottery bowl I have. That last little bit of
fruit that I have to add, takes a lot of effort.

So, I would say the mixer is very worthwhile to me. For that, and for
other thick batters. Even when I was younger, I wasn't able to mix
some batters by hand.

And creaming? It makes it effortless. I used to hate doing it by
hand, and I still do. The KA makes it easy.

I also have a few attachments that are wonderful. One is the ice
cream attachment. Another is a basin of sorts, that fits under the
bowl, so you can either have the bowl sitting in a hot water bath, or
in ice. For some things, that works fantastic...

Mine is over 20 years old now and still going strong.

Thinking about getting one more attachment, and that is an electric
pasta maker attachment. I have heard those are totally worth it, for
those that make homemade pasta.

Christine

On Apr 26, 4:56*pm, "l, not -l" > wrote:
> On 24-Apr-2010, Gabby > wrote:
>
> > I mostly want it for small batches of bread since arthritis is making
> > kneading a bit difficult.
>
> > Opinions?
>
> For your stated primary purpose, a $50 bread machine would be a better
> choice; better yet, a $10 yard-sale bread machine. *They do a great job
> kneading small batches of dough; I have used my 20 year-old Breadman mostly
> for kneading, rather than full-cycle bread making, for the past 7-8 years
> and reserve the Kitchenaid for other tasks.
> --
> Change Cujo to Juno in email address.

I already have a breadmaker but my recipes for regular bread call for
at lest twice as much flour & liquid as a bread maker usually
handles. The KA would of course be used for other things.

On 4/26/2010 9:28 PM, Gabby wrote:
> On Apr 26, 4:56 pm, "l, not > wrote:
>> On 24-Apr-2010, > wrote:
>>
>>> I mostly want it for small batches of bread since arthritis is making
>>> kneading a bit difficult.
>>
>>> Opinions?
>>
>> For your stated primary purpose, a $50 bread machine would be a better
>> choice; better yet, a $10 yard-sale bread machine. They do a great job
>> kneading small batches of dough; I have used my 20 year-old Breadman mostly
>> for kneading, rather than full-cycle bread making, for the past 7-8 years
>> and reserve the Kitchenaid for other tasks.
>> --
>> Change Cujo to Juno in email address.
>
> I already have a breadmaker but my recipes for regular bread call for
> at lest twice as much flour& liquid as a bread maker usually
> handles. The KA would of course be used for other things.

This is a piece of information you did not provide before.

A Kitchenaid will NOT knead recipes that a bread machine can't handle.
Not no way, not no how. My Zojirushi will merrily knead dough that
brings my Kitchenaid to a screeching halt.

If you need more capacity than a bread machine, take a look at an
Electrolux DLX.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:28:19 -0700 (PDT), Gabby >
wrote:

>On Apr 26, 4:56*pm, "l, not -l" > wrote:
>> On 24-Apr-2010, Gabby > wrote:
>>
>> > I mostly want it for small batches of bread since arthritis is making
>> > kneading a bit difficult.
>>
>> > Opinions?
>>
>> For your stated primary purpose, a $50 bread machine would be a better
>> choice; better yet, a $10 yard-sale bread machine. *They do a great job
>> kneading small batches of dough; I have used my 20 year-old Breadman mostly
>> for kneading, rather than full-cycle bread making, for the past 7-8 years
>> and reserve the Kitchenaid for other tasks.
>> --
>> Change Cujo to Juno in email address.
>
>I already have a breadmaker but my recipes for regular bread call for
>at lest twice as much flour & liquid as a bread maker usually
>handles. The KA would of course be used for other things.

Scale the recipes to fit your breadmaker.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

Gabby wrote:
> "l, not -l" wrote:
>> Gabby wrote:
>>
>>> I mostly want it for small batches of bread since arthritis is making
>>> kneading a bit difficult.
>>
>>> Opinions?
>>
>> For your stated primary purpose, a $50 bread machine would be a better
>> choice; better yet, a $10 yard-sale bread machine. They do a great job
>> kneading small batches of dough; I have used my 20 year-old Breadman mostly
>> for kneading, rather than full-cycle bread making, for the past 7-8 years
>> and reserve the Kitchenaid for other tasks.
>>
>> I already have a breadmaker but my recipes for regular bread call for
>> at lest twice as much flour& liquid as a bread maker usually
>> handles. The KA would of course be used for other things.
>
>This is a piece of information you did not provide before.
>
>A Kitchenaid will NOT knead recipes that a bread machine can't handle.
>Not no way, not no how. My Zojirushi will merrily knead dough that
>brings my Kitchenaid to a screeching halt.

ABMs much more closely replicate the kneading action of the human hand
(nothing can knead dough better than the human hand). The dough hook
is probably the very worst implement for kneading dough, in fact it
can't knead dough. Most commercial bakeries today, that can afford
the price, use dough kneading machines, not dough hooks. A dough hook
is a very inexpensive implement compared with the cost of a dough
kneading machine.

Gabby specifically says, due to her arthritis she wants a machine to
knead small batches... the ABM is perfect. The typical home stand
mixer can handle only relatively small amounts of dough anyway, no
more than the average person can easily knead by hand... and for
heavier doughs like for pizza the typical home stand mixer can't
handle more than an ABM.

As I've said many times, unless one is handicapped, there is no
benefit whatsoever to having a KA type stand mixer in the home
kitchen, its capacity is too small to be of any benefit... for the
ordinary beating/whipping one usually does a quality hand mixer will
do just as well, will cost far less, and can be hidden out of sight in
a cupboard... which comes to the real reason folks yearn for KA stand
mixers; to display them as a totem that they can cook. In my
experience folks who display their designer kitchenware can't cook a
lick, they're all show and no go. I know folks who have mega bucks
designer kitchens appointed with every high end item imaginable, but
when they have company they order from a local restaurant or call a
catering service... or more usually they just go out to eat.... their
designer kitchen is a fraud. Better than 95% of the KA stand mixers
sit on counters doing nothing but collecting dust, not hardly used to
mash spuds (a mixer can't mash anyway), nowadays when most folks talk
mashed taters they mean dehys outta a box... better than 95% of folks
haven't peeled a spud in a year.

On Apr 27, 12:47*am, "l, not -l" > wrote:
> On 26-Apr-2010, Gabby > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 26, 4:56 pm, "l, not -l" > wrote:
> > > On 24-Apr-2010, Gabby > wrote:
>
> > > > I mostly want it for small batches of bread since arthritis is making
> > > > kneading a bit difficult.
>
> > > > Opinions?
>
> > > For your stated primary purpose, a $50 bread machine would be a better
> > > choice; better yet, a $10 yard-sale bread machine. They do a great job
> > > kneading small batches of dough; I have used my 20 year-old Breadman
> > > mostly
> > > for kneading, rather than full-cycle bread making, for the past 7-8
> > > years
> > > and reserve the Kitchenaid for other tasks.
> > > --
> > > Change Cujo to Juno in email address.
>
> > I already have a breadmaker but my recipes for regular bread call for
> > at lest twice as much flour & liquid as a bread maker usually
> > handles. * The KA would of course be used for other things.
>
> Guess we have different ideas about what constitutes "small batches of
> dough" *8-)
> --
> Change Cujo to Juno in email address.

I call 6-8 cups of flour a small batch. Guess I'm used to Mom & my
friend's 8-12 loaf batches.