In article
>,
itsjoannotjoann > wrote:

> On Apr 26, 10:43*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> >
> > *itsjoannotjoann > wrote:
> > *And yes, I do have a carry permit. *Took the gun
> > > safety course and all that came with and paid all fees. *Permits here
> > > are good for 4 years for $50.
> >
> > Cost me a bit more than that, but I have the carry permit too.
> > Have not turned in my paperwork yet for the NRA instructors permit...
> >
> > That one was far more expensive, but enlightening!
> >
> > Peace! Om
> >
> >
> If I remember correctly the course was around $160, maybe a bit more
> but still under $200.

I took more than one course.

All total, with the Hotel bill for two nights, ran me a bit over $500.00.

As soon as I get around to finishing the take home RSO (Range Safety
Officer) course, I will turn in my paperwork.
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On 4/26/2010 8:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Apr 25, 2:17 pm, "argus > wrote:
>
> And filed under "poetic justice", we had a local fellow with a
> concealed
> carry permit come home, unholster his gun, and while he was doing
> so, shot himself in the leg.
>
> When Mr. Safety is not on, Mr. Gun is not your friend.
>
> My husband wondered why he had one chambered and
> ready to go. It's not like 21st Century Ypsilanti, MI, has
> much in common with 19th Century Tombstone, AZ.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

You are always supposed to treat a gun as if there is one in the chamber
and that is the suggested way to carry. Modern pistols won't fire if
dropped.

On Apr 26, 1:48*pm, George > wrote:
> On 4/26/2010 8:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > On Apr 25, 2:17 pm, "argus > *wrote:
>
> > And filed under "poetic justice", we had a local fellow with a
> > concealed
> > carry permit come home, unholster his gun, and while he was doing
> > so, shot himself in the leg.
>
> > When Mr. Safety is not on, Mr. Gun is not your friend.
>
> > My husband wondered why he had one chambered and
> > ready to go. *It's not like 21st Century Ypsilanti, MI, has
> > much in common with 19th Century Tombstone, AZ.
>
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> You are always supposed to treat a gun as if there is one in the chamber
> and that is the suggested way to carry. Modern pistols won't fire if
> dropped.

For all I know, he squeezed the trigger. The newspaper didn't say.

Cindy Hamilton

In article
>,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> On Apr 25, 2:17*pm, "argus tuft" > wrote:
>
> And filed under "poetic justice", we had a local fellow with a
> concealed
> carry permit come home, unholster his gun, and while he was doing
> so, shot himself in the leg.
>
> When Mr. Safety is not on, Mr. Gun is not your friend.

Mr. Safety is built between the ears.
Many modern guns have no decocker and no safety lever.

>
> My husband wondered why he had one chambered and
> ready to go. It's not like 21st Century Ypsilanti, MI, has
> much in common with 19th Century Tombstone, AZ.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Sounds like he needs to learn to keep his finger off of the trigger
until Mr. Gun is pointed at the intended target. ;-)

Basic gun safety rule #2.

#1 is to always point Mr. gun in a safe direction.
Which does not include one's leg.

Kat -> Fresh out of an NRA firearms instructors class as of late
February...
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"argus tuft" > wrote in message
...
>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
>
> * Around 32,000 people have been shot in America so far this year.
>
> * 300 Americans are shot, on average, every day.
>
> * For adults, keeping a gun in the home quadruples the risk of dying of an
> accidental gunshot wound.
>
> * In 2008, 17,215 people in the U.S. were wounded in unintentional
> shootings but survived.
>
> * For kids ages up to four years old, the mortality rate is 17 times
> higher in states with high number of guns, versus states with a low number
> of firearms.
>
> * 33% of U.S. households contain a gun, and half reportedly don't lock up
> their weapons.
>
> * A gun in the home is four times more likely to be used in an
> unintentional shooting than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

By those stats, I should be 435,643 more likely to have something bad happen
to me than some Canuk in a closet. I would not bet a nickel on the number
of guns I own. I own so many. I sold over $1800 worth last month in two
days. People are buying guns for some reason. <g>

And don't worry. If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.

A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.

Yet.

On Apr 26, 10:28*am, "Steve B" > wrote:

> And don't worry. *If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>
> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>
> Yet.

Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.

I don't let fear rule my life.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 26, 10:28 am, "Steve B" > wrote:

> And don't worry. If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>
> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>
> Yet.

Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.

I don't let fear rule my life.

Cindy Hamilton

REPLY:

Keeping an umbrella handy if you're not fond of thunderstorms is not an
irrational act. Even if it doesn't ever end up raining.

If you keep them locked up, that's a good thing. Unless you need them RIGHT
NOW. Then it's a bad thing.

You can do both, and be safe, which is the whole point, right? Just as a
knife sitting in a drawer is "safe", the whole dimension changes once it is
taken out, or left accessible.

I, personally, have done some idiotic things with knives. Yet, I am
thankful that they were not legislated away from me by people who were
concerned for "my safety."

Steve

http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> Keeping an umbrella handy if you're not fond of thunderstorms is not an
> irrational act. Even if it doesn't ever end up raining.
>
> If you keep them locked up, that's a good thing. Unless you need them RIGHT
> NOW. Then it's a bad thing.
>
> You can do both, and be safe, which is the whole point, right? Just as a
> knife sitting in a drawer is "safe", the whole dimension changes once it is
> taken out, or left accessible.
>
> I, personally, have done some idiotic things with knives. Yet, I am
> thankful that they were not legislated away from me by people who were
> concerned for "my safety."
>
> Steve

That was actually on topic as knives are used for cooking. <g>
I've cut myself in the kitchen and have a pic to prove it.

I've never managed to shoot myself...

Should we ban cooking as some people are careless enough to cut
themselves while prepping their food?

Fascinating concept, and one that the UK is working on.
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Apr 26, 10:28*am, "Steve B" > wrote:
>
>> And don't worry. *If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
>> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>>
>> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>>
>> Yet.
>
>Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
>
>I don't let fear rule my life.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Depends on where you keep them locked up. There are any number of gun
safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. They open only
when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
keys on the cover.

Ron

In article >,
Ron > wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Apr 26, 10:28*am, "Steve B" > wrote:
> >
> >> And don't worry. *If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
> >> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
> >>
> >> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
> >>
> >> Yet.
> >
> >Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
> >
> >I don't let fear rule my life.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> Depends on where you keep them locked up. There are any number of gun
> safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
> easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. They open only
> when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
> keys on the cover.
>
> Ron

If they work.

Under duress...

The best way to kidproof the guns is to gunproof the kids.
That is how dad did it and and my sister and I are still alive.
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On 4/27/2010 1:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 26, 10:28 am, "Steve > wrote:
>>>
>>>> And don't worry. If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
>>>> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>>>>
>>>> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>>>>
>>>> Yet.
>>>
>>> Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
>>>
>>> I don't let fear rule my life.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Depends on where you keep them locked up. There are any number of gun
>> safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
>> easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. They open only
>> when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
>> keys on the cover.
>>
>> Ron
>
> If they work.
>
> Under duress...
>
> The best way to kidproof the guns is to gunproof the kids.
> That is how dad did it and and my sister and I are still alive.

But isn't that the job of the government to keep you safe?

How dare your dad interfere with the good works of the government...

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:56:53 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Ron > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Apr 26, 10:28*am, "Steve B" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> And don't worry. *If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
>> >> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>> >>
>> >> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>> >>
>> >> Yet.
>> >
>> >Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
>> >
>> >I don't let fear rule my life.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Depends on where you keep them locked up. There are any number of gun
>> safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
>> easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. They open only
>> when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
>> keys on the cover.
>>
>> Ron
>
>If they work.
>
>Under duress...
>
>The best way to kidproof the guns is to gunproof the kids.
>That is how dad did it and and my sister and I are still alive.

True... your method is best We grew up in a home with guns and no
safe and our kids grew up in a home with guns and no safe. Now both
my kids are grown and have guns of their own. One son has a gun safe,
the other does not. Go figure. My suggestion was for one who really
wants to be sure the guns are locked up, but might consider more rapid
access.

Ron

On Apr 27, 1:26*am, Ron > wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>
> > wrote:
> >On Apr 26, 10:28*am, "Steve B" > wrote:
>
> >> And don't worry. *If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
> >> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:05:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Apr 27, 1:26*am, Ron > wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >On Apr 26, 10:28*am, "Steve B" > wrote:
>>
>> >> And don't worry. *If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
>> >> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>>
>> >> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>>
>> >> Yet.
>>
>> >Bah. *I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. *They're kept locked up.
>>
>> >I don't let fear rule my life.
>>
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Depends on where you keep them locked up. *There are any number of gun
>> safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
>> easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. *They open only
>> when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
>> keys on the cover.
>
>In a big safe, in a closet. All of the long guns and handguns are in
>there. The key is... well, that would take me some searching, but
>DH knows exactly where it is. (That's appropriate, because the
>guns are his, and I barely know anything about them.) They
>only come out when he's going to the range.
>
>It's not beyond the realm of possibility that someone would break
>into our house, but it's extremely remote, and would most likely
>happen when we are both at work. In our area, most
>violent crime is perpetrated by people who know each other.
>http://www.arborweb.com/articles/crime_maps/ has some info.
>To summarize:
>
>In Ann Arbor in February 2010:
>
>40 burglaries
>5 sexual assaults (all by acquaintances)
>15 vehicle thefts
>3 robberies
>0 homicides
>
>Most of these were not at all near my house, although there was
>a rash (3) of burglaries at businesses on the nearest main
>road (US-12).
>
>Nope, I think I'll keep those guns right where they are.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

You are fortunate to live where you do. It sounds like what you are
doing is best for your situation. Probably I'm just a little more
paranoid, living in a larger city with the corresponding larger number
of whacko's. There isn't much violent crime where we live, but enough
when combined with few break-ins that make it worthwhile to be
prepared.

Ron

Ron wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Apr 26, 10:28 am, "Steve B" > wrote:
>>
>>> And don't worry. If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
>>> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>>>
>>> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>>>
>>> Yet.
>> Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
>>
>> I don't let fear rule my life.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Depends on where you keep them locked up. There are any number of gun
> safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
> easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. They open only
> when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
> keys on the cover.
>
> Ron
IN AU one dealer years ago imported some thousand and thousands of

self loading modified semi auto skk rifles which was dozens of

containers some of which the government stole by breaking their own laws

When the big buy back happened about half those sold were return for

cash , the rest must be buried in a yard or two . The are more than a

couple of gun dealers here so what's actually in circulation can only be

guessed at .

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:53:25 +1000, atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com">
wrote:

>Ron wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 26, 10:28 am, "Steve B" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> And don't worry. If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
>>>> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>>>>
>>>> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>>>>
>>>> Yet.
>>> Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
>>>
>>> I don't let fear rule my life.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton

If you need a safeful of guns fear indeed rules your life.

Anyway a locked firearm is of no protection whatsoever. And if
carrying a firearm odds are very high you will be shot dead before you
can even think about it... dangerous criminals don't play fair...
there won't be any rules of the west duel at noon on main street.

>> Depends on where you keep them locked up. There are any number of gun
>> safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
>> easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. They open only
>> when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
>> keys on the cover.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Apr 26, 10:28*am, "Steve B" > wrote:
>
>> And don't worry. *If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
>> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>>
>> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>>
>> Yet.
>
> Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
>
> I don't let fear rule my life.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

i conservative is a person who has been hit on the head. repeatedly.

your pal,
blake

"argus tuft" > wrote in message
...
>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
>

SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT

Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this supposedly
COOKING NEWSGROUP

I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS

Joe wrote:
> "argus tuft" > wrote in message
> ...
>> * 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the
>> same year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in
>> the US.
>
> SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT

Uh, ok.

> Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing
> gun nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this
> supposedly COOKING NEWSGROUP

Maybe. Maybe not. BTW, my guns don't ****; they reproduce asexually.

> I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS

You'd be crushed and disappointed to find that I retired my ass and now have
a Ford Ranger. I suppose you could 'pop a cap' in it, or whatever the more
current gangsta lingo is. Are you going to hold the cap popper sideways,
too? You be bitchin' cool.

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

Joe wrote:
> "argus tuft" > wrote in message
> ...
>> * 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
>> year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
>>
>
> SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
>
> Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
> nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this supposedly
> COOKING NEWSGROUP


That's a valid point. (Of course it's not like r.f.c is without
off-topic posts about everything else under the sun (if it was, I
dunno if that would make this one OT thread better or worse))

Bob GunNut

zxcvbob wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>> "argus tuft" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> * 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the
>>> same year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate
>>> in the US.
>>
>> SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
>>
>> Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing
>> gun nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this
>> supposedly COOKING NEWSGROUP
>
>
> That's a valid point. (Of course it's not like r.f.c is without
> off-topic posts about everything else under the sun (if it was, I
> dunno if that would make this one OT thread better or worse))
>
> Bob GunNut

Gun nuts are easily ground into gun butter. Goes great on waffles.

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

Dave Bugg wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>> Joe wrote:
>
>>> SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT

I take it Microsoft Windows Mail does not have a kill-thread feature?

>> Bob GunNut
>
> Gun nuts are easily ground into gun butter. Goes great on waffles.

What's the difference between deer nuts and beer nuts?

Deer nuts are under a buck.

On 2010-04-26, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
> I take it Microsoft Windows Mail does not have a kill-thread feature?

Yeah, it does. It's called the BSOD.

nb

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:17:19 -0400, " Joe" > wrote:

>
>"argus tuft" > wrote in message
...
>>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
>>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
>>
>
>SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
>
>Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
>nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this supposedly
>COOKING NEWSGROUP
>
>I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS
>

I've a desert eagle .50AE says you won't

In article >,
WTF > wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:17:19 -0400, " Joe" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"argus tuft" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
> >>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
> >>
> >
> >SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
> >
> >Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
> >nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this supposedly
> >COOKING NEWSGROUP
> >
> >I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS
> >
>
> I've a desert eagle .50AE says you won't

A 20 gauge next to the bed is even better...
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:10:00 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> WTF > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:17:19 -0400, " Joe" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"argus tuft" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
>> >>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
>> >>
>> >
>> >SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
>> >
>> >Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
>> >nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this supposedly
>> >COOKING NEWSGROUP
>> >
>> >I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS
>> >
>>
>> I've a desert eagle .50AE says you won't
>
>A 20 gauge next to the bed is even better...

Our preference is a 12 gauge with number 4 buckshot. It will stop any
intruder, but not go through the walls and hit a neighbor. If we
lived in the country, 12 gauge slugs might be more appropriate. Those
have GOT to hurt.

Ron

In article >,
Ron > wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:10:00 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > WTF > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:17:19 -0400, " Joe" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"argus tuft" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
> >> >>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
> >> >
> >> >Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
> >> >nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this
> >> >supposedly
> >> >COOKING NEWSGROUP
> >> >
> >> >I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS
> >> >
> >>
> >> I've a desert eagle .50AE says you won't
> >
> >A 20 gauge next to the bed is even better...
>
> Our preference is a 12 gauge with number 4 buckshot. It will stop any
> intruder, but not go through the walls and hit a neighbor. If we
> lived in the country, 12 gauge slugs might be more appropriate. Those
> have GOT to hurt.
>
> Ron

Good choice. I was taught #3 Buck.

I'd be willing to change if I can see the proof between the two tho'.

Seriously.

We might want to take this off line.
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Ron wrote:
> Omelet > wrote:
>
>>A 20 gauge next to the bed is even better...

I prefer a 20 gauge because my wife is more comfortable with that size.
Heavily armed assertive Amercian woman - It doesn't get any better.

> Our preference is a 12 gauge with number 4 buckshot. It will stop any
> intruder, but not go through the walls and hit a neighbor. If we

I figure if it's good to take a goose out of the sky it should work at 6
paces indoors so a slightly finer shot that will also work for skeet
shooting is was I want.

> lived in the country, 12 gauge slugs might be more appropriate.

But the rifled barrel intended to fire slugs is a few inches shorter.
Indoors with tight quarters every inch matters and the spread pattern is
a lot less important at 6 paces or less.

> Those have GOT to hurt.

That's not a part of the goal if it ever needs to be used indoors.
Indoors there's the assumption they are there for a home invasion
robbery so it's us or them.

" Joe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "argus tuft" > wrote in message
> ...
>>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
>>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
>>
>
> SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
>
> Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
> nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this supposedly
> COOKING NEWSGROUP
>
> I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS

You're not too smart, are you? What you just did is grounds for the feds to
come to your house, should anyone here take enough offense to make a
complaint. For me, I will just dispose of you electronically, as I have no
fear of you personally. Don't let your mouth get you in trouble.

Steve

In article >, " Joe" >
wrote:

> "argus tuft" > wrote in message
> ...
> >* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
> >year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
> >
>
> SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
>
> Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
> nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this supposedly
> COOKING NEWSGROUP
>
> I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS

In your dreams. ;-)
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On Apr 25, 11:17*am, "argus tuft" > wrote:
> * 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
> year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
>

In 2006 there were 605 murders in Canada, of which 190 were with
firearms. That means that 31.4% were the result of firearms. The
murder rate was 1.85 per 100K.

In 2006 there were 14,990 murders in the US, of which 10,177 were with
firearms. That means that 67.9% were the result of firearms. The
murder rate was 8.3 per 100K.

What is interesting about Canada is that the murder rate has not
changed significantly since the implementation of the 1995 Firearm
Registration Act. It has fluctuated within a narrow range that has
tended to track the overall crime rate. What has happened is that
other weapons have taken the place of guns. On the other hand certain
crimes, like home invasions, have surged in since them.

"gaurawalla" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 25, 11:17 am, "argus tuft" > wrote:
> * 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
> year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
>

In 2006 there were 605 murders in Canada, of which 190 were with
firearms. That means that 31.4% were the result of firearms. The
murder rate was 1.85 per 100K.

In 2006 there were 14,990 murders in the US, of which 10,177 were with
firearms. That means that 67.9% were the result of firearms. The
murder rate was 8.3 per 100K.

What is interesting about Canada is that the murder rate has not
changed significantly since the implementation of the 1995 Firearm
Registration Act. It has fluctuated within a narrow range that has
tended to track the overall crime rate. What has happened is that
other weapons have taken the place of guns. On the other hand certain
crimes, like home invasions, have surged in since them.

REPLY: What is interesting about Canada is ..........

wait ...........

wait ..............

don't tell me ..........

I know this ......................

gaurawalla wrote:
>
> In 2006 there were 605 murders in Canada, of which 190 were with
> firearms. That means that 31.4% were the result of firearms. The
> murder rate was 1.85 per 100K.
>
> In 2006 there were 14,990 murders in the US, of which 10,177 were with
> firearms. That means that 67.9% were the result of firearms. The
> murder rate was 8.3 per 100K.
>
> What is interesting about Canada is that the murder rate has not
> changed significantly since the implementation of the 1995 Firearm
> Registration Act. It has fluctuated within a narrow range that has
> tended to track the overall crime rate. What has happened is that
> other weapons have taken the place of guns. On the other hand certain
> crimes, like home invasions, have surged in since them.

In other words gun laws have nothing to do with it. So much for the
initial complaint. The choice of weapon is a matter of opportunity but
the decision to kill has little to do with that.

How about looking at the rates graphed against population density? The
US and Canada have a lot different population densities in certain
places and sure enough in the US the highest murder rates track the
highest population densities. The highest population in Canada is near
downtown Toronto and it's more open than most of the US cities that have
much larger populations.

On 2010-04-27, Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> How about looking at the rates graphed against population density? The
> US and Canada have a lot different population densities in certain
> places and sure enough in the US the highest murder rates track the
> highest population densities.

Bingo! Sociology 101.

Surprisingly (expat CA, now in very rural CO), people here are so
friendly as to wave to strangers, yet I can get a CCW with almost a
smile. OTOH, tolerance is low and repercussions high. Breaking the
law in CO unleashes Draconian consequences. I love it!!

nb

Doug Freyburger wrote:
> gaurawalla wrote:
>> In 2006 there were 605 murders in Canada, of which 190 were with
>> firearms. That means that 31.4% were the result of firearms. The
>> murder rate was 1.85 per 100K.
>>
>> In 2006 there were 14,990 murders in the US, of which 10,177 were with
>> firearms. That means that 67.9% were the result of firearms. The
>> murder rate was 8.3 per 100K.
>>
>> What is interesting about Canada is that the murder rate has not
>> changed significantly since the implementation of the 1995 Firearm
>> Registration Act. It has fluctuated within a narrow range that has
>> tended to track the overall crime rate. What has happened is that
>> other weapons have taken the place of guns. On the other hand certain
>> crimes, like home invasions, have surged in since them.
>
> In other words gun laws have nothing to do with it. So much for the
> initial complaint. The choice of weapon is a matter of opportunity but
> the decision to kill has little to do with that.



Not really. Back in the late 1970s Canada introduced the Firearms
Acquisition certificate requirement for anyone wanting to buy or
otherwise acquire a gun. There has been a downward trend in homicides
since that time. Then in the mid 90s the Liberal government started a
program for all firearms owners to be licenced and for all long guns to
be registered. Handguns have been strictly regulated since the 1930s. I
believe the point being made was that there was no reduction in
homicides since the newer and stricter regulations came into effect, and
that any reduction was part of the general downward trend and not
resulting from the long gun registry.


> How about looking at the rates graphed against population density? The
> US and Canada have a lot different population densities in certain
> places and sure enough in the US the highest murder rates track the
> highest population densities. The highest population in Canada is near
> downtown Toronto and it's more open than most of the US cities that have
> much larger populations.

The highest homicide rates by far are in the north and the western
provinces have higher homicide rates than the eastern provinces.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:57:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> gaurawalla wrote:
>>> In 2006 there were 605 murders in Canada, of which 190 were with
>>> firearms. That means that 31.4% were the result of firearms. The
>>> murder rate was 1.85 per 100K.
>>>
>>> In 2006 there were 14,990 murders in the US, of which 10,177 were with
>>> firearms. That means that 67.9% were the result of firearms. The
>>> murder rate was 8.3 per 100K.
>>>
>>> What is interesting about Canada is that the murder rate has not
>>> changed significantly since the implementation of the 1995 Firearm
>>> Registration Act. It has fluctuated within a narrow range that has
>>> tended to track the overall crime rate. What has happened is that
>>> other weapons have taken the place of guns. On the other hand certain
>>> crimes, like home invasions, have surged in since them.
>>
>> In other words gun laws have nothing to do with it. So much for the
>> initial complaint. The choice of weapon is a matter of opportunity but
>> the decision to kill has little to do with that.
>
>
>
>Not really. Back in the late 1970s Canada introduced the Firearms
>Acquisition certificate requirement for anyone wanting to buy or
>otherwise acquire a gun. There has been a downward trend in homicides
>since that time. Then in the mid 90s the Liberal government started a
>program for all firearms owners to be licenced and for all long guns to
>be registered. Handguns have been strictly regulated since the 1930s. I
>believe the point being made was that there was no reduction in
>homicides since the newer and stricter regulations came into effect, and
>that any reduction was part of the general downward trend and not
>resulting from the long gun registry.

Yes and No. In 1971 there where 473 murders in Canada. It generally
rose for the next 6 years and in 1977 there were 711 murders. In 1978 it
dropped to 661 murders. In 1990 there were 661 murders. In between there
was a peak of 704 and a low of 569, but it fluxuated. 1991 and 1992
were banner years with 754 and 732 murders respectively. From 1993
(627) to 2008 (611) the number of murders varied between a high of 663
in 2005 and a low of 538 in 1999.

The actual number of murders has stayed within a defined range.

In 1971 the rate was 2.15, in 1988 it was 2.15. In 1994 the rate was
2.06, in 2005 it was 2.06. In 1999 the rate was 1.77, which was as low
as it had been since 1968 and it hasn't been that low since.

Gang related homicides account for 25% of all murders now.



>
>
>> How about looking at the rates graphed against population density? The
>> US and Canada have a lot different population densities in certain
>> places and sure enough in the US the highest murder rates track the
>> highest population densities. The highest population in Canada is near
>> downtown Toronto and it's more open than most of the US cities that have
>> much larger populations.
>
>The highest homicide rates by far are in the north and the western
>provinces have higher homicide rates than the eastern provinces.

In Canada large urban areas tend to have a lower murder rate than small
urban or rural areas (pop < 100K). 1.8 vs 2.0 /100K and the rate is
increasing in the small urban/rural areas. The highest rates are in
Manitoba (4.47) and Alberta (3.07). The Yukon and North West Territories
have rates of 9.05 and 6.93, but the population is so small that rate
was caused by a total of 3 murders in each territory in 2008.

"argus tuft" > wrote in message
...
>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
>
> * Around 32,000 people have been shot in America so far this year.
>
> * 300 Americans are shot, on average, every day.
>
> * For adults, keeping a gun in the home quadruples the risk of dying of an
> accidental gunshot wound.
>
> * In 2008, 17,215 people in the U.S. were wounded in unintentional
> shootings but survived.
>
> * For kids ages up to four years old, the mortality rate is 17 times
> higher in states with high number of guns, versus states with a low number
> of firearms.
>
> * 33% of U.S. households contain a gun, and half reportedly don't lock up
> their weapons.
>
> * A gun in the home is four times more likely to be used in an
> unintentional shooting than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.
>
Wow!
I knew there were a lot of asynaptics here but it took this post to reveal
them.
Argus
Guns are designed to kill. Handguns are designed to kill people.

In article >,
"argus tuft" > wrote:

> Handguns are designed to kill people.

Actually, it's not uncommon for people to carry them when out hunting as
backup and to kill snakes.
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On May 1, 8:17*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"argus tuft" > wrote:
>
> > Handguns are designed to kill people.
>
> Actually, it's not uncommon for people to carry them when out hunting as
> backup and to kill snakes.

And bears. Especially bears, though in your neck o' the woods, I
guess it's snakes.

> --
> Peace! Om

--Bryan

In article
>,
Food Snob® > wrote:

> On May 1, 8:17*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *"argus tuft" > wrote:
> >
> > > Handguns are designed to kill people.
> >
> > Actually, it's not uncommon for people to carry them when out hunting as
> > backup and to kill snakes.
>
> And bears. Especially bears, though in your neck o' the woods, I
> guess it's snakes.
>
> --Bryan

No, no bears here in Texas. A fact that I am glad about! Besides, it
takes at least a .50 caliber to stop a bear (or so I've read) and a
lucky shot at that. They are unpredictable, powerful and dangerous.

There are a few rattlesnakes but I think the annual roundups keep their
numbers down.

I was advised to carry the 9mm with snake shot in it when I was up in
Hereford Texas varmint hunting.
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