In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> Putting a small balloon over the end of the barrel cuts noise waaaay down,
> too.
>
> Steve

Does that really work?
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In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote
>
> > Statistics can lie if you do not read them properly.
>
> Statistics can be found to support any conclusion.
>
> Steve
>
> http://cabgbypasssurgery.com book coming soon

I believe Mark Twain made a statement about that!
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In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> > Depending in circumstances, a handgun is the best defense against a
> > criminal with any number of other weapons, like Dave said.
> >
> > I'm a middle aged, out of shape female. Without a suitable weapon in my
> > possession, I could easily become a victim as I'm not really trained nor
> > capable of defending myself any other way against an attacker that is
> > stronger than I am.
> >
> > I'm not going to be passive about dying at the hands of some scumbag,
> > thank you!
>
> Good for you. I wish more people had that attitude. Predators easily
> recognize prey animals and select them for attacks. People who will protect
> themselves, display a defensive posture, have a defensive weapon, or who are
> even situationally aware enough to avoid falling into a prey situation do
> far better than their weaker counterparts.
>
> Steve
>
> http://cabgbypasssurgery.com book coming soon

It is indeed a Predator/Prey relationship.

Read any books by Ayoob.

I'd rather be a sheepdog than prey. ;-)
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In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > Sqwertz > wrote:
> >
> >> Shut the **** up. All of you.
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > You're just jealous 'cause you don't own one. ;-)
> > --
> > Peace! Om
>
> Small error. He's not ALLOWED to own one. Small difference.
>
> Steve ;-)

How so? I was not aware of that distinction.
Or if I was, I don't announce such confidences in public.
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In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> reply: If your Smith is new, you do not have to keep it on an empty
> cylinder. There is a block on the newer ones, that prevent the gun from
> firing even if dropped on the hammer. If you put it on an empty cylinder,
> and then have the first one to come up empty too, you have reduced your
> firepower considerably. I would write in to rec.guns, or contact your maker
> and see if your pistol is one of the newer ones. Carrying on an empty
> cylinder has no purpose in modern quality revolvers like Smith.
>
> I have the S&W small model J in .357 Magnum. It is a sweet gun, and very
> concealable. Yes, I am licensed.

It is called a "Transfer bar" and my lovely Ruger Redhawk has one.
But there are many, many older revolvers on the market that do not have
that.

Hence the wisdom of keeping the following chamber empty.

While I may be against a lot of gun regulation, I do feel that gun
owners should be responsible enough to take the time and effort to learn
about the firearms they own.

I have spent a considerable amount of effort in doing so.

But, that's just me. <shrugs>

Anyone want to come over to my house and learn how to field strip an
AR-15? <g>
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In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:56:05 -0700, Steve B wrote:
>
> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > news
> >> In article >,
> >> Sqwertz > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Shut the **** up. All of you.
> >>>
> >>> -sw
> >>
> >> You're just jealous 'cause you don't own one. ;-)
> >> --
> >> Peace! Om
> >
> > Small error. He's not ALLOWED to own one. Small difference.
>
> **** off, both of you. If I wanted guns, I'd have plenty.

Just like anyone else, legal or otherwise, right?
>
> Bunch of freaks, all of you gun nuts.

After having been mugged, twice, and having the crap beat out of you,
I'd have expected a more realistic attitude, but to each his own.
<shrugs> Maybe if that African American had raped you instead...

I think I'll give that likelyhood a pass, thanks.

That might be what is wrong with your spine at the moment. Don't
discount it.

> It's a cooking group. There
> are hundreds of groups to talk about guns. This is not one of them.
>
> -sw

Go after the OP.
The affects of that OT post were predictable luv. ;-)

I'm still working normal hours at the moment and get off of work at
Brack' on 15th at 15:30.

If you'd like to make a run to MT or elsewhere, I have the time, money
and desire to do so! You've not responded to that offer, yet. Wednesday
and Friday are good for me this week. Thursday I have a phone appt. with
a financial counselor about considering LLC or INC.

Cheers! And I know you well enough (at least I think I do) that you
don't take things like this seriously enough to turn down a sincere
offer from someone that considers you a friend now matter how bitchy you
may get on usenet. <g>

As you said when we first met:

"It's just usenet"!

Then I hugged you...
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In article
>,
itsjoannotjoann > wrote:

> > > My husband wondered why he had one chambered and
> > > ready to go. It's not like 21st Century Ypsilanti, MI, has
> > > much in common with 19th Century Tombstone, AZ.
> >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > That was pretty stupid. *I always keep my .38 Smith&Wesson on an empty
> > chamber as I don't want to be shooting myself in the leg, foot, or any
> > other body parts. *And yes, I do have a carry permit. *Took the gun
> > safety course and all that came with and paid all fees. *Permits here
> > are good for 4 years for $50.
> >
> > reply: *If your Smith is new, you do not have to keep it on an empty
> > cylinder. *There is a block on the newer ones, that prevent the gun from
> > firing even if dropped on the hammer. *If you put it on an empty cylinder,
> > and then have the first one to come up empty too, you have reduced your
> > firepower considerably. *I would write in to rec.guns, or contact your maker
> > and see if your pistol is one of the newer ones. *Carrying on an empty
> > cylinder has no purpose in modern quality revolvers like Smith.
> >
> > I have the S&W small model J in .357 Magnum. *It is a sweet gun, and very
> > concealable. *Yes, I am licensed.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> My pistol is about 11 or 12 years old.

Transfer bars vary from revolver to revolver.
Is yours outfitted with one?
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In article >, " Joe" >
wrote:

> "argus tuft" > wrote in message
> ...
> >* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
> >year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
> >
>
> SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
>
> Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
> nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this supposedly
> COOKING NEWSGROUP
>
> I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS

In your dreams. ;-)
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In article >,
WTF > wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:17:19 -0400, " Joe" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"argus tuft" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
> >>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
> >>
> >
> >SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
> >
> >Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
> >nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this supposedly
> >COOKING NEWSGROUP
> >
> >I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS
> >
>
> I've a desert eagle .50AE says you won't

A 20 gauge next to the bed is even better...
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In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> My pistol is about 11 or 12 years old.
>
> What exactly is it? I will ask on rec.guns and find out if it is one of the
> newer safer ones.
>
> Steve

Learn about structure.
Look and see if it has a transfer bar. That will tell you.
The hammer does not directly hit the firing pin. A bar of metal comes up
as you press the trigger and the bar actually presses the firing pin.

The hammer can rest on top of a chamber with no danger.

The hammer is offset. I hope that makes sense and if not, I'm sure that
there is a diagram you can google for!

My Ruger Redhawk is pretty old and it has that feature.
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In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> Keeping an umbrella handy if you're not fond of thunderstorms is not an
> irrational act. Even if it doesn't ever end up raining.
>
> If you keep them locked up, that's a good thing. Unless you need them RIGHT
> NOW. Then it's a bad thing.
>
> You can do both, and be safe, which is the whole point, right? Just as a
> knife sitting in a drawer is "safe", the whole dimension changes once it is
> taken out, or left accessible.
>
> I, personally, have done some idiotic things with knives. Yet, I am
> thankful that they were not legislated away from me by people who were
> concerned for "my safety."
>
> Steve

That was actually on topic as knives are used for cooking. <g>
I've cut myself in the kitchen and have a pic to prove it.

I've never managed to shoot myself...

Should we ban cooking as some people are careless enough to cut
themselves while prepping their food?

Fascinating concept, and one that the UK is working on.
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In article >,
Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> Steve B wrote:
> >
> > You don't get out a lot, do you? Or read newspapers? Or watch electronic
> > media? Or read the Internet? Such lies from anti gunners are historic.
>
> Igonred are every incident of crime prevented by gun use and the fact
> that crime rates drop when a state switches from "may issue" to "shall
> issue". When a sizable percentage of the law abiding citizens are
> invisibily packing crime goes down. Not exactly amzing why, rather the
> same as the low burglary rate in Switzerland.
>
> > I love Joycelyn Elders' statement, "What we need is safer bullets."
> > Former Surgeon General of The United States.
>
> Glasser safety shells. They explode in the first target so the innocent
> bystander behind him is uninjured, just traumatized by the spray of
> blood.

Uh, that is, providing the Glaser "safety rounds" penetrate the jacket
they may be wearing.

You may want to google for their reputation before betting your life on
one.

I know some folks that do use them, but only as the first round in the
magazine. The second round is a speer hollowpoint.

A good hollowpoint or a golden saber supposedly stay put too, (do not
penetrate the target) and are more likely to "stop the threat".

I'd consider continuing that particular thread/concept on an actual gun
list. (suitably cross posted).

You may find it enlightening...
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In article >,
"<RJ>" > wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:02:25 -0500, "Ms P" >
> wrote:
>
> >Just think of all the children that wouldn't die at the hands of brothers
> >and sisters playing with mom/dad's guns.
> >
> >Ms P
>
> Just think of all the deaths caused by drunk drivers.
> How many families are broken up by alcohol.
> How many careers are ruined.
> How many teen-age pregnancys....
>
> Lets ban the big blight on society; BOOZE !

I think there are a thousand times more deaths attributed to alcohol
than guns... and I actually like the stuff.

But I drink responsibly and never, ever drive while even buzzed, nor do
I go to the rifle range under the influence.

But, YMMV as always!
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In article >,
Michel Boucher > wrote:

> Doug Freyburger > wrote in
> :
>
> > Igonred are every incident of crime prevented by gun use and
> > the fact that crime rates drop when a state switches from "may
> > issue" to "shall issue"
>
> That may "work" in the Untied States, but in the rest of the
> world (93% of the planet's population lives outside the US),
> sanity prevails.

Oh?

http://tinyurl.com/25v8ulv

I think your percentage estimate is off by a long shot. ;-)
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:45:37 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

>Doug Freyburger > wrote in
:
>
>> Igonred are every incident of crime prevented by gun use and
>> the fact that crime rates drop when a state switches from "may
>> issue" to "shall issue"
>
>That may "work" in the Untied States, but in the rest of the
>world (93% of the planet's population lives outside the US),
>sanity prevails.

You mean, like Somalia, Pakistan, Ukraine.... ????

Ron

>>
>>> Juan Anonly wrote:
>>>> On 2010-04-25 15:39:56 -0700, Omelet said:
>>>>
>>>>> Gun ban laws only affect law abiding citizens.
>>>>
>>>> Great! Where can I got to be protected by "gun ban" laws?
>>>
>>> Great Britain. Japan. A buncha places all around the globe.
>>>
>>>>> They do NOT affect criminals who will be armed regardless of laws.
>>>
>>>> This assumes that if we had "gun bans", then criminals would have
>>>> plenty of opportunities to buy guns. But logically they would have as
>>>> tough a time buying guns as anyone else. They'd have to violate laws
>>>> just to get them.
>>>
>>> Who says that gun-toting mopes 'buy' guns? And yes, the bad-guys do
>>> violate gun laws. They violate 'gun-free' zones. They illegally shoot
>>> people.
>>
>> If gun manufacturers weren't providing guns to every man, woman and
>> child they could scare the shit out of, they wouldn't have millions of
>> guns to throw around. Thus bad guys couldn't buy gones that weren't
>> manufactured.
>>
>>> And all over the world, anyone with a basic metal working shop can
>>> turn out a gun.
>>
>> And have as good a chance of blowing off their hand as not.
>>
>>> Guns don't simply disappear from a society because they are made illegal.
>>
>> No manufacturing them has to be made illegal.

At one time in our history it was illegal to manufacture alcoholic
beverages. How do you think that worked out?

It isn't all that difficult to make a gun. Remember the zip guns of
the 50's? Then there will always be some country willing to make a
buck off of the gun trade. I don't see any way to universally ban
guns. Think of the millions of guns in criminals and law abiding
citizens hands right now. The government will never be able to
confiscate them.

Ron


>>
>>> What does happen, though, is that the innocent is no longer easily
>>> able to defend themselves from an overpowering bad guy. A woman is
>>> left at the mercy of a rapist with a knife or bat or physical stature.
>>
>> Amazing to think so thousands of rapists are killed each year in the
>> use. What is it--500 a day? Also, I don't hink anybody has yet said "Our
>> childurn--we have to think of our childurn!"

Ron wrote:
>
> At one time in our history it was illegal to manufacture alcoholic
> beverages. How do you think that worked out?
>
> It isn't all that difficult to make a gun. Remember the zip guns of
> the 50's? Then there will always be some country willing to make a
> buck off of the gun trade. I don't see any way to universally ban
> guns. Think of the millions of guns in criminals and law abiding
> citizens hands right now. The government will never be able to
> confiscate them.


And if they do somehow manage to pull off that bit of magic, the
*police* will sell guns to the criminals. Every once in a while we
catch them at it in places like Chicago. (And how do you think
criminals get all those illegal AR-15's and M-16's and grenade
launchers in Mexico? The US government gives them to the Mexican
govt who then gives them to the drug runners, so they can shoot at
our Border Patrol)

Bob

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Apr 26, 10:28*am, "Steve B" > wrote:
>
>> And don't worry. *If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
>> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>>
>> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>>
>> Yet.
>
>Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
>
>I don't let fear rule my life.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Depends on where you keep them locked up. There are any number of gun
safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. They open only
when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
keys on the cover.

Ron

In article >,
Ron > wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:45:37 -0500, Michel Boucher
> > wrote:
>
> >Doug Freyburger > wrote in
> :
> >
> >> Igonred are every incident of crime prevented by gun use and
> >> the fact that crime rates drop when a state switches from "may
> >> issue" to "shall issue"
> >
> >That may "work" in the Untied States, but in the rest of the
> >world (93% of the planet's population lives outside the US),
> >sanity prevails.
>
> You mean, like Somalia, Pakistan, Ukraine.... ????
>
> Ron

As much as I like his cooking, I think he is living in a Utopian
dreamworld.
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:10:00 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> WTF > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:17:19 -0400, " Joe" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"argus tuft" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
>> >>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
>> >>
>> >
>> >SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
>> >
>> >Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
>> >nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this supposedly
>> >COOKING NEWSGROUP
>> >
>> >I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS
>> >
>>
>> I've a desert eagle .50AE says you won't
>
>A 20 gauge next to the bed is even better...

Our preference is a 12 gauge with number 4 buckshot. It will stop any
intruder, but not go through the walls and hit a neighbor. If we
lived in the country, 12 gauge slugs might be more appropriate. Those
have GOT to hurt.

Ron

In article >,
Ron > wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Apr 26, 10:28*am, "Steve B" > wrote:
> >
> >> And don't worry. *If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
> >> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
> >>
> >> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
> >>
> >> Yet.
> >
> >Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
> >
> >I don't let fear rule my life.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> Depends on where you keep them locked up. There are any number of gun
> safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
> easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. They open only
> when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
> keys on the cover.
>
> Ron

If they work.

Under duress...

The best way to kidproof the guns is to gunproof the kids.
That is how dad did it and and my sister and I are still alive.
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In article >,
Ron > wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:10:00 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > WTF > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:17:19 -0400, " Joe" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"argus tuft" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>* 10,177 guns were used in murders in the U.S. in 2006 while in the same
> >> >>year, Canada reported 190. That's over 5 times a higher rate in the US.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >SNIPPED a bunch of OFF TOPIC gun BULLSHIT
> >> >
> >> >Now, Omelet, notbob, DaveSmith,DaveBugg, and the rest of the ****ing gun
> >> >nuts will be posting about their ****ing guns for WEEKS in this
> >> >supposedly
> >> >COOKING NEWSGROUP
> >> >
> >> >I aught to come over there and pop a cap in your ASS
> >> >
> >>
> >> I've a desert eagle .50AE says you won't
> >
> >A 20 gauge next to the bed is even better...
>
> Our preference is a 12 gauge with number 4 buckshot. It will stop any
> intruder, but not go through the walls and hit a neighbor. If we
> lived in the country, 12 gauge slugs might be more appropriate. Those
> have GOT to hurt.
>
> Ron

Good choice. I was taught #3 Buck.

I'd be willing to change if I can see the proof between the two tho'.

Seriously.

We might want to take this off line.
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On 4/27/2010 1:56 AM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 26, 10:28 am, "Steve > wrote:
>>>
>>>> And don't worry. If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
>>>> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>>>>
>>>> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>>>>
>>>> Yet.
>>>
>>> Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
>>>
>>> I don't let fear rule my life.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Depends on where you keep them locked up. There are any number of gun
>> safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
>> easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. They open only
>> when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
>> keys on the cover.
>>
>> Ron
>
> If they work.
>
> Under duress...
>
> The best way to kidproof the guns is to gunproof the kids.
> That is how dad did it and and my sister and I are still alive.

But isn't that the job of the government to keep you safe?

How dare your dad interfere with the good works of the government...

On 4/26/2010 10:33 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> George > wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2010 11:52 PM, Omelet wrote:
>>> In article<gsednYYAKqmWRUnWnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@giganews. com>,
>>> "Dave > wrote:
>>>
>>>> George Shirley wrote:
>>>>> On 4/25/2010 6:04 PM, Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like the people who hear a noise in the back yard and go out with a
>>>>>>> gun to investigate and it turns out to be a raccoon in the garbage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. That doesn't go into the stats. Besides, racoons have fingers
>>>>>> and thumbs and may very well be armed. And they wear masks to boot.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The raccoon I saw at McDonald's yesterday morning about 0815 surely
>>>>> was. Rarely see a healthy coon out after daylight and this one wasn't
>>>>> near the dumpster, he was under my truck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Went back in the diner and had them call animal control while I kept
>>>>> an eye on the coon. Animal control called me today and verified what I
>>>>> thought, a rabid raccoon, armed and very dangerous. Now a very dead
>>>>> and cremated raccoon. Animal control guy said they would be on the
>>>>> lookout for others nearby as this was possibly a yearling coon as
>>>>> near as they could tell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: This McDonald's is surrounded on two sides by heavy woods. YMMV
>>>>
>>>> I make two aggressive attempts to get rid of racoons so they leave my
>>>> property voluntarily under their own steam. The third time involves a .22
>>>> Ruger.
>>>
>>> I live in the city limits.
>>> Crossbow pistols are silent.
>> CB caps in my scope sighted Remington single shot work too. Sorta like
>> an air gun, goes Phfft, dead rat.
>
> But not dead raccoon?
Could be, when I was much younger I could have shot a rackety coon in
the eye at 50 paces with iron sights. Those days disappeared long ago
Om. I'm seriously thinking of mounting my 40X spotting scope on the
Ruger 10-22 just so I can machine gun the rascals.

On 4/26/2010 10:33 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> George > wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2010 12:11 AM, Omelet wrote:
>>> In >,
>>> "Dave > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I make two aggressive attempts to get rid of racoons so they leave my
>>>>>> property voluntarily under their own steam. The third time involves
>>>>>> a .22 Ruger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Model 96 lever action?
>>>>
>>>> That is a sweet rifle, but no, it is a 10/22 with a holographic sight
>>>> containing a lighted reticle.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> I'm considering looking in to red dot sights for my .22.
>>> Remington Nylon 66 semi-auto.
>> Ooo! Black or brown?
>
> Black. :-)
Fairly rare then, many more of the brown nylons were sold. Good rifles
though, I sold many of them through Guns 'n Gadgets* back in the day.
*Gunshop I owned and operated for 20 years.

On 4/26/2010 10:44 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> "Steve > wrote:
>
>> Putting a small balloon over the end of the barrel cuts noise waaaay down,
>> too.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Does that really work?
I never found them to work as a suppressor but they were good for
keeping rain out of your rifle barrel. As a GI we used condoms, no
balloons where we were but Uncle Sam always had plenty of condoms.

On 2010-04-27, Omelet > wrote:
> In article
>,
> itsjoannotjoann > wrote:

>> My pistol is about 11 or 12 years old.


> Transfer bars vary from revolver to revolver.
> Is yours outfitted with one?

They were putting xfer bars on guns long before that. My Super
Blackhawk was an '86 and it had one. That's almost 25 yrs ago.

Damn, I miss that gun.

nb

On Apr 25, 4:33*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> * * * Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend
> themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their
> gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of
> the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.
>
This is one issue on which I disagree with many fellow progressives.
When a citizen kills an intruder, I think that is a beautiful thing.
Not tragic, but beautiful. I don't personally keep a gun, but I live
in a very safe area, and anyway, my wife would strongly object.
>
> --
> Peace! Om
>
--Bryan

On 2010-04-27, zxcvbob > wrote:

> And if they do somehow manage to pull off that bit of magic, the
> *police* will sell guns to the criminals. Every once in a while we
> catch them at it in places like Chicago. (And how do you think
> criminals get all those illegal AR-15's and M-16's and grenade
> launchers in Mexico? The US government gives them to the Mexican
> govt who then gives them to the drug runners, so they can shoot at
> our Border Patrol)

It smacks of the very worst of conspiracies, but similar tales are too
persistant to dismiss. In a program about Watts in LA, gang members
related how a lone boxcar was mysteriously parked on a siding dead
nuts in the middle of Watts gang turf. Who would be foolish enough to
do such a thing? The cargo? Guns. Watts is prime real estate and I
have no doubt the power elite would stoop to any level to acquire it.
What better way to do a land grab than foment large scale gang wars
with heavily armed combatants.

While I'm no conspiracy nut, I also am well aware of how my govt
has supported fascist dictators and the govts of even less reputable
dirtbags to acheive its often less than noble ends.

nb

On Apr 27, 1:26*am, Ron > wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>
> > wrote:
> >On Apr 26, 10:28*am, "Steve B" > wrote:
>
> >> And don't worry. *If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
> >> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.

On Apr 26, 10:43*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
> *itsjoannotjoann > wrote:
> *And yes, I do have a carry permit. *Took the gun
> > safety course and all that came with and paid all fees. *Permits here
> > are good for 4 years for $50.
>
> Cost me a bit more than that, but I have the carry permit too.
> Have not turned in my paperwork yet for the NRA instructors permit...
>
> That one was far more expensive, but enlightening!
>
> Peace! Om
>
>
If I remember correctly the course was around $160, maybe a bit more
but still under $200.

On Apr 26, 11:14*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"Steve B" > wrote:
>
> > My pistol is about 11 or 12 years old.
>
> > What exactly is it? *I will ask on rec.guns and find out if it is one of the
> > newer safer ones.
>
> > Steve
>
> Learn about structure.
> Look and see if it has a transfer bar. That will tell you.
> The hammer does not directly hit the firing pin. A bar of metal comes up
> as you press the trigger and the bar actually presses the firing pin.
>
> The hammer can rest on top of a chamber with no danger.
>
> The hammer is offset. *I hope that makes sense and if not, I'm sure that
> there is a diagram you can google for!
>
> My Ruger Redhawk is pretty old and it has that feature.
>
> Peace! Om
>
>
No, my hammer actually hits directly on the firing pin.

itsjoannotjoann wrote:
> On Apr 26, 11:14 pm, Omelet > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> "Steve B" > wrote:
>>
>>> My pistol is about 11 or 12 years old.
>>> What exactly is it? I will ask on rec.guns and find out if it is one of the
>>> newer safer ones.
>>> Steve
>> Learn about structure.
>> Look and see if it has a transfer bar. That will tell you.
>> The hammer does not directly hit the firing pin. A bar of metal comes up
>> as you press the trigger and the bar actually presses the firing pin.
>>
>> The hammer can rest on top of a chamber with no danger.
>>
>> The hammer is offset. I hope that makes sense and if not, I'm sure that
>> there is a diagram you can google for!
>>
>> My Ruger Redhawk is pretty old and it has that feature.
>>
>> Peace! Om
>>
>>
> No, my hammer actually hits directly on the firing pin.
>
>


I'm pretty sure all S&W's since about 1920 or earlier are drop-safe.
Even the ones with the firing pin mounted on the hammer. (they
have a hammer block instead of a transfer bar)

The guns you have to watch out for are single-action revolvers (the
"Old West" looking guns, and you have to cock the hammer with your
thumb for each shot) Some of those are drop safe and many are not.

Bob

Ron wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Apr 26, 10:28 am, "Steve B" > wrote:
>>
>>> And don't worry. If you're ever getting mugged, raped, or assaulted, I'll
>>> take time out to come over and help you out, and I'll be bringing a gun.
>>>
>>> A Democrat is a conservative who hasn't been mugged, raped, or assaulted.
>>>
>>> Yet.
>> Bah. I typically vote Democrat; we own guns. They're kept locked up.
>>
>> I don't let fear rule my life.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Depends on where you keep them locked up. There are any number of gun
> safes that are small, hold one gun (pistol) and can be located within
> easy reach of wherever you think you might need one. They open only
> when the finger pressure is applied in the proper sequence to the five
> keys on the cover.
>
> Ron
IN AU one dealer years ago imported some thousand and thousands of

self loading modified semi auto skk rifles which was dozens of

containers some of which the government stole by breaking their own laws

When the big buy back happened about half those sold were return for

cash , the rest must be buried in a yard or two . The are more than a

couple of gun dealers here so what's actually in circulation can only be

guessed at .

Omelet > wrote in newsmpomelet-
:

>> >That may "work" in the Untied States, but in the rest of the
>> >world (93% of the planet's population lives outside the US),
>> >sanity prevails.
>>
>> You mean, like Somalia, Pakistan, Ukraine.... ????

Hardly legislated. Usually mob rule. The bulk of the world's
population still eschews the wearing of firearms as a known
incitement to violence.

> As much as I like his cooking, I think he is living in a
> Utopian dreamworld.

Hardly, I live in Canada which for the nonce is still a place of
relative sanity, our gormless gummint notwithstanding.

Obviously, people who carry guns for self-defense are dangerous,
to themselves and to the rest of the population, whether they are
criminals or law-abiding citizens. The willful wearing of
weapons is the line at which I cease to distinguish between them.

To insist that a line written 200 years ago by poofy men in
powdered wigs grants you right of life and death over anyone you
encounter on a case by case basis is the height of hubris one has
come to recognize as the USAian delusional trait par excellence.

QED

--
"When a government starts to cancel dissent or avoid dissent
is frankly when it's rapidly losing its moral authority to
govern."

Stephen Harper, 18 April 2005

Ron wrote:
> Omelet > wrote:
>
>>A 20 gauge next to the bed is even better...

I prefer a 20 gauge because my wife is more comfortable with that size.
Heavily armed assertive Amercian woman - It doesn't get any better.

> Our preference is a 12 gauge with number 4 buckshot. It will stop any
> intruder, but not go through the walls and hit a neighbor. If we

I figure if it's good to take a goose out of the sky it should work at 6
paces indoors so a slightly finer shot that will also work for skeet
shooting is was I want.

> lived in the country, 12 gauge slugs might be more appropriate.

But the rifled barrel intended to fire slugs is a few inches shorter.
Indoors with tight quarters every inch matters and the spread pattern is
a lot less important at 6 paces or less.

> Those have GOT to hurt.

That's not a part of the goal if it ever needs to be used indoors.
Indoors there's the assumption they are there for a home invasion
robbery so it's us or them.

gaurawalla wrote:
>
> In 2006 there were 605 murders in Canada, of which 190 were with
> firearms. That means that 31.4% were the result of firearms. The
> murder rate was 1.85 per 100K.
>
> In 2006 there were 14,990 murders in the US, of which 10,177 were with
> firearms. That means that 67.9% were the result of firearms. The
> murder rate was 8.3 per 100K.
>
> What is interesting about Canada is that the murder rate has not
> changed significantly since the implementation of the 1995 Firearm
> Registration Act. It has fluctuated within a narrow range that has
> tended to track the overall crime rate. What has happened is that
> other weapons have taken the place of guns. On the other hand certain
> crimes, like home invasions, have surged in since them.

In other words gun laws have nothing to do with it. So much for the
initial complaint. The choice of weapon is a matter of opportunity but
the decision to kill has little to do with that.

How about looking at the rates graphed against population density? The
US and Canada have a lot different population densities in certain
places and sure enough in the US the highest murder rates track the
highest population densities. The highest population in Canada is near
downtown Toronto and it's more open than most of the US cities that have
much larger populations.

Ron wrote:
> Michel Boucher > wrote:
>>Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
>>> Ignored are every incident of crime prevented by gun use and
>>> the fact that crime rates drop when a state switches from "may
>>> issue" to "shall issue"
>
>>That may "work" in the Untied States, but in the rest of the
>>world (93% of the planet's population lives outside the US),
>>sanity prevails.

There's a place outside of the US where the general population could
afford guns, where gun carrying was restricted and the crime rate was N,
then gun carrying became easily accessible and the crime rate failed to
fall? I'm open to the hard data on that.

> You mean, like Somalia, Pakistan, Ukraine.... ????

Where only a tiny percentage of the population can afford a gun the few
that do have much power. How's that applicable to the point? Economic
laws are laws - What would happen if someone went to one of those
nations with containers of pistols and started giving them away to any
citizen without a criminal record who was willing to go through a one
week training course? Well armed, well trained, law abiding populations
have a low crime rate and a stable economy. It would definitely help
their economic path.

On 2010-04-27, Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> How about looking at the rates graphed against population density? The
> US and Canada have a lot different population densities in certain
> places and sure enough in the US the highest murder rates track the
> highest population densities.

Bingo! Sociology 101.

Surprisingly (expat CA, now in very rural CO), people here are so
friendly as to wave to strangers, yet I can get a CCW with almost a
smile. OTOH, tolerance is low and repercussions high. Breaking the
law in CO unleashes Draconian consequences. I love it!!

nb

Doug Freyburger wrote:
> gaurawalla wrote:
>> In 2006 there were 605 murders in Canada, of which 190 were with
>> firearms. That means that 31.4% were the result of firearms. The
>> murder rate was 1.85 per 100K.
>>
>> In 2006 there were 14,990 murders in the US, of which 10,177 were with
>> firearms. That means that 67.9% were the result of firearms. The
>> murder rate was 8.3 per 100K.
>>
>> What is interesting about Canada is that the murder rate has not
>> changed significantly since the implementation of the 1995 Firearm
>> Registration Act. It has fluctuated within a narrow range that has
>> tended to track the overall crime rate. What has happened is that
>> other weapons have taken the place of guns. On the other hand certain
>> crimes, like home invasions, have surged in since them.
>
> In other words gun laws have nothing to do with it. So much for the
> initial complaint. The choice of weapon is a matter of opportunity but
> the decision to kill has little to do with that.



Not really. Back in the late 1970s Canada introduced the Firearms
Acquisition certificate requirement for anyone wanting to buy or
otherwise acquire a gun. There has been a downward trend in homicides
since that time. Then in the mid 90s the Liberal government started a
program for all firearms owners to be licenced and for all long guns to
be registered. Handguns have been strictly regulated since the 1930s. I
believe the point being made was that there was no reduction in
homicides since the newer and stricter regulations came into effect, and
that any reduction was part of the general downward trend and not
resulting from the long gun registry.


> How about looking at the rates graphed against population density? The
> US and Canada have a lot different population densities in certain
> places and sure enough in the US the highest murder rates track the
> highest population densities. The highest population in Canada is near
> downtown Toronto and it's more open than most of the US cities that have
> much larger populations.

The highest homicide rates by far are in the north and the western
provinces have higher homicide rates than the eastern provinces.