On 1/05/2010 8:35 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> Krypsis wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The worst thing about Cavalier King Charles Spaniels is that they
>>> aren't the brightest dog around. Want something intelligent? Go for a
>>> Jack Russell Terrier. After you've had a Jack, every other dog seems
>>> like a dumbo. They need a hell of a lot of stimulation though. They
>>> are quite full on!
>>
>>
>> Some of them are described as Jack Russel Terrorists. They can be a
>> handful.
>
>
>
> I remember some years back at an art show a woman brought her bitch who
> had a litter of 8 week old Jack Russels. This was in Davenport, IA. She
> wasn't selling the pups, simply had them there with their mother because
> they couldn't be trusted to be at home alone. LOL
>
> A couple came by and fell in love with two of the puppies. They
> convinced her to sell them. I ran into them playing with the pups in the
> park. The puppies were exhuberantly attacking brown walnuts that had
> fallen from the trees and generally being very fiesty. (They were
> adorable!) The couple set off down the street carrying the pups, saying,
> "I think I saw a pet shop down there. Let's get them collars and
> leashes!" And I remember thinking, OMG. They had no idea what they'd
> just gotten themselves into. Jack Russels can be trained (think TV show
> 'Frasier'). But in general terms they bounce off the walls. Hence the
> nickname
>
> Jill

Yes, Jacks are a breed where you need to do the research first just so
you know what you are getting yourself in to. If you've only ever had
non-terriers prior, then you are going to be in for a shock. Jacks are
full on! They can be trained but they tend to be very strong willed
regardless of training. In fact, they have a tendency to train their
owners. I know mine is constantly trying to train me! He already has my
wife trained to do his bidding but he'll find me a tougher nut to crack!
;-)

Our Jack is a bit too old to "bounce off walls". No doubt he did that
to/for his previous owner which might explain why he came to be at the
shelter. We've now had him several years and a guesstimate would put him
at between 10 and 15 years of age. We can determine that by the greying
at the muzzle and general wear of teeth. Physically though, he's in
great shape and can chase balls with the best of them. He just tires a
tad earlier these days.

Ideally, a Jack needs to be with a family that has older children in a
house with a decent sized back yard. Ours does ok without the children
because we have the time to keep him busy, especially since we both no
longer work full time.

I find the "Jack Russell Terrorist" nickname a little over the top. All
Jacks need is plenty of physical and mental stimulation. The only
terrorist would be a Jack that's bored. Ours isn't bored as he doesn't
exhibit all of the bad traits of a Jack. He isn't an escape artist, he
rarely digs, never chews at anything other than his food or bones, barks
only when we have visitors knocking at the door and is quite happy, even
aloof, around other dogs. All in all, he's slotted himself into this
household quite nicely!

Krypsis

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>
>> I have seen a bunch of greyhound rescues around town. I wonder if I
>> could arrange a race between them and my Malinois. This guy is the
>> fastest dog I have ever seen.
>
> Might be kind of interesting. I did a little Google searching, and I've
> heard some things, and greyhounds are generally considered the fastest
> common breed, at about 45mph tops.

This guy is fast but not 45 mph. maybe 30. According to Answers.com.
Belgiums are ranked 18th in the fastest dogs, just behind German
Shepherds and Boxers. He id definitely faster than a Germans
Shepherd. A greyhound might beat him in a short dash, but this guy has
stamina.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:48:54 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>I used to see greyhounds which were "retired" from the dog track in West
>Memphis at adoption clinics at PetCo and PetSmart. They were only about
>2-3years old. Track dogs don't have a long "career". But they hadn't been
>abused, were in excellent health, neutered or spayed. And they were
>gorgeous young dogs, well disclipined and very friendly. But yes, they're
>used to running so they definitely aren't house pets. They require lots of
>room to run because that's what they're used to.
>
>Jill

You're completely wrong, Jill. I used to know someone who adopted
more than one retired greyhound and they were couch potatoes. It was
a quality she pointed out because I was in the market for a rescue
animal at the time. They are low key, gentle animals who just want
some love and make excellent pets.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:22:56 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>My sister has a large fenced yard, and they do love to run. However,
>after a few minutes, they are ready to rest.

They are sprinters, not long distance runners.

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In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...

> > I'm going to visit my sister next week, for a couple of weeks. She has
> > been very active in greyhound rescue for many years. She currently has
> > four rescued greyhound racing dogs, although she usually has six. They
> > are certainly house pets, and are often referred to as "couch potatoes".

> > My sister has a large fenced yard, and they do love to run. However,
> > after a few minutes, they are ready to rest.

> I was merely quoting what I was told by the adoption people, Dan. They said
> greyhounds needed room to run. I wasn't going to adopt a greyhound, much as
> I would have liked to, because I lived in an apartment. I don't think it's
> fair to keep medium to large dogs cooped up in an apartment, even if they
> are "couch potatoes"

I agree. Greyhounds are "born to run". They love it. One of my
sister's dogs was "fostered" by a woman in an apartment for a few
months. She went on frequent walks, but it's not the same.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Dave Smith > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I have seen a bunch of greyhound rescues around town. I wonder if I
> >> could arrange a race between them and my Malinois. This guy is the
> >> fastest dog I have ever seen.
> >
> > Might be kind of interesting. I did a little Google searching, and I've
> > heard some things, and greyhounds are generally considered the fastest
> > common breed, at about 45mph tops.
>
> This guy is fast but not 45 mph. maybe 30. According to Answers.com.
> Belgiums are ranked 18th in the fastest dogs, just behind German
> Shepherds and Boxers. He id definitely faster than a Germans
> Shepherd. A greyhound might beat him in a short dash, but this guy has
> stamina.

Greyhounds have no stamina. They are strictly sprinters. Every year we
have a police dog competition about a block from us. Competitors come
from up to two hundred miles away. It's most of a weekend, although the
competition (several events) is all on one long day. Many of the dogs
are Malinois. It's interesting, because the commands to the dog are not
given in English.

ObFood: They usually grill chicken on a portable grill trailer. You
get a big piece of chicken, some kind of salad and a drink for a
reasonable price. They also sell other things like hot dogs and coffee.

--
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Petaluma, California USA

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
>.'
> Years ago I was on jury duty and met two women who'd also just
> met on jury duty. Strangely enough, they were both involved in greyhound
> rescue. How they found each other in that sea of people, who knows. Very
> nice ladies.
>
> I got a kick out of their description of living with lumps of greyhounds
> all over their livingroom. Seems they like to hang out with their people
> and just sit around. Big mounds of dog watching tv with them.
>
> nancy



A greyhound lived next door to us and he would lay on top of the hot tub, on
his back. When he heard something to bark about he would continue to lie
there and bark. I think they would not make very good watch dogs.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
>I may be getting a dog. Hopefully from a shelter, there being way too
> many spares out there. I'd like to get a smaller dog, we already
> having a min poodle. She's a bitch (literally! -mom's dog) and I want
> a male to ...er... humble her just a bit. Plus, the smaller the dog,
> the smaller the doodie/duty.
>
> Anyway, I'm actually now partial to poodles, they being so dang smart.
> Plus, they are potential hunters and such. (Mom's poodle abhors
> water!) Another thought is a chihuahua, if for no other reason than
> just a goof. Or maybe a whippet. We've got the room, plus I hear
> (Dogs 101) they make great house dogs, being natural born couch
> potatoes after their daily vent.
>
> Anyway, what say ye? I'm open to suggestions.
>
>
> nb
>

Two thing, do not mix male with female! Second, only you can behave so the
dog accepts you and your wife as the dominant couple, right now, your wife
and the dog are the highest dominate pair, you sir at at the bottom and only
your behaviour can change that.

--
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(mawil55) Hardiness Zone 7-8

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> I may be getting a dog. Hopefully from a shelter, there being way too
> many spares out there. I'd like to get a smaller dog, we already
> having a min poodle. She's a bitch (literally! -mom's dog) and I want
> a male to ...er... humble her just a bit. Plus, the smaller the dog,
> the smaller the doodie/duty.
>
> Anyway, I'm actually now partial to poodles, they being so dang smart.
> Plus, they are potential hunters and such. (Mom's poodle abhors
> water!) Another thought is a chihuahua, if for no other reason than
> just a goof. Or maybe a whippet. We've got the room, plus I hear
> (Dogs 101) they make great house dogs, being natural born couch
> potatoes after their daily vent.
>
> Anyway, what say ye? I'm open to suggestions.
>
>
> nb

Forget whippets. They are smart, yes, but I used to have a pair and they
are destructive pains in the asses. I would never own another one.

My personal favorite breeds in the small varieties are Corgies and
Shnauzers. Small, VERY intelligent and easy to train and long lived with
few structural problems that the lovely AKC tends to breed in to dogs
for breed "conformation".

I currently have one corgie, one border collie and a lab/chow cross that
is an adopted foster dog.

I don't recommend border collies unless you have as much energy as the
dog does. <g> I love mine but she sometimes drives me nuts with her
hyperactivity. ;-) The Corgie is more mellow and even easier to train.
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In article >,
brooklyn1 > wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:41:43 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >I may be getting a dog. Hopefully from a shelter, there being way too
> >many spares out there. I'd like to get a smaller dog, we already
> >having a min poodle. She's a bitch (literally! -mom's dog) and I want
> >a male to ...er... humble her just a bit. Plus, the smaller the dog,
> >the smaller the doodie/duty.
> >
> >Anyway, I'm actually now partial to poodles, they being so dang smart.
> >Plus, they are potential hunters and such. (Mom's poodle abhors
> >water!) Another thought is a chihuahua, if for no other reason than
> >just a goof. Or maybe a whippet. We've got the room, plus I hear
> >(Dogs 101) they make great house dogs, being natural born couch
> >potatoes after their daily vent.
> >
> >Anyway, what say ye? I'm open to suggestions.
>
> Get a cat.

<lol>!
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In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2010-04-30, Kody > wrote:
>
> > I vote [...] a Caviler King Charles Spaniel...
>
> Now that's one I never heard of, despite being a dog show watcher.
> Had to look it up. Looks like it might have too many health issues,
> but an otherwise nice looking dog.
>
> nb

There are also Belgian Malinois.
There is a good reason that they are used even more than German
Shephards by police as patrol and drug dogs.

I'm not currently in the market for a dog but would consider one if I
was.
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In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>
> > I used to see greyhounds which were "retired" from the dog track in West
> > Memphis at adoption clinics at PetCo and PetSmart.
>
> I have seen a bunch of greyhound rescues around town. I wonder if I
> could arrange a race between them and my Malinois. This guy is the
> fastest dog I have ever seen.

I've watched the local patrol dog in action. Malinois are indeed very
fast!

And smart.
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In article >,
pure kona > wrote:

> On Sat, 01 May 2010 00:57:13 +1000, Krypsis >
> wrote:
>
> >On 30/04/2010 11:34 PM, notbob wrote:
> >> On 2010-04-30, > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I vote [...] a Caviler King Charles Spaniel...
> >>
> >> Now that's one I never heard of, despite being a dog show watcher.
> >> Had to look it up. Looks like it might have too many health issues,
> >> but an otherwise nice looking dog.
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> >The worst thing about Cavalier King Charles Spaniels is that they aren't
> >the brightest dog around. Want something intelligent? Go for a Jack
> >Russell Terrier. After you've had a Jack, every other dog seems like a
> >dumbo. They need a hell of a lot of stimulation though. They are quite
> >full on!
> >
> >Krypsis
> >
> Terriers have their own issues. They are meant to pursue and often
> catch. It is the only (mixed) breed I was not successful with. They
> can be hard-wired and the oddest thing can re-wire them. you have to
> be on your toes with a terrier. You want a laid back dog? get a
> labrador. Or a golden retriever or a mix of those in a mixed breed
> from the shelter. A shelter dog is usually thankful forever.
>
> aloha,
> Cea

Except labs are not very bright and can be hard to train... and they
don't clean themselves like the shepherd varieties do.
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On Sat, 01 May 2010 18:54:53 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> pure kona > wrote:
>

>> >
>> Terriers have their own issues. They are meant to pursue and often
>> catch. It is the only (mixed) breed I was not successful with. They
>> can be hard-wired and the oddest thing can re-wire them. you have to
>> be on your toes with a terrier. You want a laid back dog? get a
>> labrador. Or a golden retriever or a mix of those in a mixed breed
>> from the shelter. A shelter dog is usually thankful forever.
>>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>
>Except labs are not very bright and can be hard to train... and they
>don't clean themselves like the shepherd varieties do.
Well I have had labs and shepherds and many mixed breeds and a terrier
etc. Labs can be very smart but they act and look slightly
goofy.Shepherds look sharp, so we expect them to be. And cleaning?
Egads, I have never depended on a dog to be clean. (Just had to wash
extremely fresh cow poop off my Border Collie early this am.) If you
want clean, get a cat

aloha,
Cea

pure kona wrote:
>
>> Except labs are not very bright and can be hard to train... and they
>> don't clean themselves like the shepherd varieties do.
> Well I have had labs and shepherds and many mixed breeds and a terrier
> etc. Labs can be very smart but they act and look slightly
> goofy.Shepherds look sharp, so we expect them to be. And cleaning?
> Egads, I have never depended on a dog to be clean. (Just had to wash
> extremely fresh cow poop off my Border Collie early this am.) If you
> want clean, get a cat

Cow poop? I wish. My Malinois has been rolling in a carcass and I can't
find it. He has come back a few times reeking of it. Last weekend when
my son and I took him out for a run he came back with a about a foot and
a half long spine (racoon?) stuck in his training collar. Both of us
puked trying to get it off. I brought him home and gave him a batch in
the back yard, and now the yard stinks.

Omelet wrote:

>
> There are also Belgian Malinois.
> There is a good reason that they are used even more than German
> Shephards by police as patrol and drug dogs.
>
> I'm not currently in the market for a dog but would consider one if I
> was.


The one I rescued is testing my patience. He is a sweet dog when he is
good, and that is most of the time. He is a fearsome guard dog. I am
working on him. He had five years of doing whatever the hell he wanted,
so it is taking a lot of training to get him to unlearn a lot of
inappropriate behaviours. I have had much more success with all my
previous dogs.

On 2010-05-01, Dan Abel > wrote:

> Greyhounds have no stamina. They are strictly sprinters. Every year we
> have a police dog competition about a block from us. Competitors come
> from up to two hundred miles away. It's most of a weekend, although the
> competition (several events) is all on one long day. Many of the dogs
> are Malinois.

How do Afghan hounds fare?

> It's interesting, because the commands to the dog are not
> given in English.

What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying you have a
large illegal immigrant population?

nb

On 2010-05-01, piedmont > wrote:

> and the dog are the highest dominate pair, you sir at at the bottom and only
> your behaviour can change that.

Right on the first count, wrong on the second.

As long as the dog's master --my elderly mom, not my wife-- persists
in babying her dog, I will never be able to change its behavior as
dominant bitch. We have parity in the rest of the house, but in mom's
bedroom, I'm an intruder. Until Mom makes some attempt to curtail (I
love this pun) her dog's behavior, I will never be the pack leader.
Never gonna happen.

nb

On 2010-05-02, pure kona > wrote:

> extremely fresh cow poop off my Border Collie early this am.) If you
> want clean, get a cat

I always thought Basenjis were the only dog that groomed themselves.
WRONG! My mom's min poodle does it all the time. Lick paw, rub
face... jes like a cat.

BTW, a great old movie, Goodbye My Lady, is about a Basenji. Almost as
sad as Old Yeller, 'cept the dog don't die.

nb

In article >,
pure kona > wrote:

> On Sat, 01 May 2010 18:54:53 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > pure kona > wrote:
> >
>
> >> >
> >> Terriers have their own issues. They are meant to pursue and often
> >> catch. It is the only (mixed) breed I was not successful with. They
> >> can be hard-wired and the oddest thing can re-wire them. you have to
> >> be on your toes with a terrier. You want a laid back dog? get a
> >> labrador. Or a golden retriever or a mix of those in a mixed breed
> >> from the shelter. A shelter dog is usually thankful forever.
> >>
> >> aloha,
> >> Cea
> >
> >Except labs are not very bright and can be hard to train... and they
> >don't clean themselves like the shepherd varieties do.
> Well I have had labs and shepherds and many mixed breeds and a terrier
> etc. Labs can be very smart but they act and look slightly
> goofy.Shepherds look sharp, so we expect them to be. And cleaning?
> Egads, I have never depended on a dog to be clean. (Just had to wash
> extremely fresh cow poop off my Border Collie early this am.) If you
> want clean, get a cat
>
> aloha,
> Cea

My border collie cleans her own muddy paws, legs and belly and so does
the corgie. They wash themselves so are just as clean as cats. :-)
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In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> >
> > There are also Belgian Malinois.
> > There is a good reason that they are used even more than German
> > Shephards by police as patrol and drug dogs.
> >
> > I'm not currently in the market for a dog but would consider one if I
> > was.
>
>
> The one I rescued is testing my patience. He is a sweet dog when he is
> good, and that is most of the time. He is a fearsome guard dog. I am
> working on him. He had five years of doing whatever the hell he wanted,
> so it is taking a lot of training to get him to unlearn a lot of
> inappropriate behaviours. I have had much more success with all my
> previous dogs.

Do you think it'll pay off? Adopting older dogs (and cats) can be a
challenge. Most of the adult dogs I've adopted have been less than a
year old. The exception was Ferocious, the Lab/Chow cross. (3/4 lab 1/4
chow). He's been a joy to train for the most part but can be
unpredictable in his guardianship so I just lock him in the back bedroom
when I have company or contractors working in the house or yard rather
than take the risk.

I've never owned a Malinois, just seen them work and was impressed. :-)

I wish you luck!
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Omelet wrote:

>> The one I rescued is testing my patience. He is a sweet dog when he is
>> good, and that is most of the time. He is a fearsome guard dog. I am
>> working on him. He had five years of doing whatever the hell he wanted,
>> so it is taking a lot of training to get him to unlearn a lot of
>> inappropriate behaviours. I have had much more success with all my
>> previous dogs.
>
> Do you think it'll pay off? Adopting older dogs (and cats) can be a
> challenge.


I am hoping that it will. He is a nice dog. He is very loving and
friendly. I am not used to having a dog that I cannot trust off a leash.
He is better with the remote training collar, but as soon as I remove
it he turns deaf.

> Most of the adult dogs I've adopted have been less than a
> year old. The exception was Ferocious, the Lab/Chow cross. (3/4 lab 1/4
> chow).


I got my Groendahl when he was 5, but he had been well trained. The
Shepherd/Bouvier came from the pound. He was completely untrained, not
even house trained. He was house trained very quickly. Within a month I
had him walking without a leash and coming when called.

>
> I've never owned a Malinois, just seen them work and was impressed. :-)

They are amazing dogs.

In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> >> The one I rescued is testing my patience. He is a sweet dog when he is
> >> good, and that is most of the time. He is a fearsome guard dog. I am
> >> working on him. He had five years of doing whatever the hell he wanted,
> >> so it is taking a lot of training to get him to unlearn a lot of
> >> inappropriate behaviours. I have had much more success with all my
> >> previous dogs.
> >
> > Do you think it'll pay off? Adopting older dogs (and cats) can be a
> > challenge.
>
>
> I am hoping that it will. He is a nice dog. He is very loving and
> friendly. I am not used to having a dog that I cannot trust off a leash.
> He is better with the remote training collar, but as soon as I remove
> it he turns deaf.

Bummer. To date, I've only ever had to use a remote collar to train the
corgie from nuisance barking. Since it has a tone setting, I'd use the
tone first. After 3 tries, the tone alone worked.

>
> > Most of the adult dogs I've adopted have been less than a
> > year old. The exception was Ferocious, the Lab/Chow cross. (3/4 lab 1/4
> > chow).
>
>
> I got my Groendahl when he was 5, but he had been well trained. The
> Shepherd/Bouvier came from the pound. He was completely untrained, not
> even house trained. He was house trained very quickly. Within a month I
> had him walking without a leash and coming when called.
>
> >
> > I've never owned a Malinois, just seen them work and was impressed. :-)
>
> They are amazing dogs.

I hope he works out for you! You are using training treats for recall
training? Cheese bits or peanut butter treats have served me well. :-)
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On May 1, 4:38*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
>
>
>
>
>
> *notbob > wrote:
> > I may be getting a dog. *Hopefully from a shelter, there being way too
> > many spares out there. *I'd like to get a smaller dog, we already
> > having a min poodle. *She's a bitch (literally! -mom's dog) and I want
> > a male to ...er... humble her just a bit. *Plus, the smaller the dog,
> > the smaller the doodie/duty. *

Getting a second-hand dog is like getting a second-hand car. You can
get a good one, but it helps if you know what you're doing. The
shelter will not adopt out aggressive dogs, or ones with obvious
health problems, but they are a high volume operation.

> > Anyway, I'm actually now partial to poodles, they being so dang smart.
> > Plus, they are potential hunters and such. *(Mom's poodle abhors
> > water!) *Another thought is a chihuahua, if for no other reason than
> > just a goof. *Or maybe a whippet. *We've got the room, plus I hear
> > (Dogs 101) they make great house dogs, being natural born couch
> > potatoes after their daily vent. *
>
> > Anyway, what say ye? *I'm open to suggestions.
>
> > nb
>
> Forget whippets. They are smart, yes, but I used to have a pair and they
> are destructive pains in the asses. *I would never own another one.
>
> My personal favorite breeds in the small varieties are Corgies and
> Shnauzers. Small, VERY intelligent and easy to train and long lived with
> few structural problems that the lovely AKC tends to breed in to dogs
> for breed "conformation".

Long backs and short legs do not constitute a structural problem in
your mind?

Further, AKC standards are voted on by the national breed club, not
the AKC as a whole. Most of the breed standards derive from the
(British) Kennel Club standards.

>
> I currently have one corgie, one border collie and a lab/chow cross that
> is an adopted foster dog.
>
> I don't recommend border collies unless you have as much energy as the
> dog does. <g> *I love mine but she sometimes drives me nuts with her
> hyperactivity. ;-) *The Corgie is more mellow and even easier to train.

All herding dogs, even corgies, are a pain in the ass to own AFAIAC.
And even pit bulls are more sociable with other dogs than are corgies,
based on their behavior in the puppy play group we attend.

Terriers such as the schnauzer were bred to be independent -- they
can't really ask for reassurance when they're down in that burrow.
They tend to be one-person or small-family dogs.

On May 1, 4:54*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
> *pure kona > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 01 May 2010 00:57:13 +1000, Krypsis >
> > wrote:
>
> > >On 30/04/2010 11:34 PM, notbob wrote:
> > >> On 2010-04-30, > *wrote:
>
> > >>> I vote [...] a Caviler King Charles Spaniel...
>
> > >> Now that's one I never heard of, despite being a dog show watcher.
> > >> Had to look it up. *Looks like it might have too many health issues,
> > >> but an otherwise nice looking dog.
>
> > >> nb
>
> > >The worst thing about Cavalier King Charles Spaniels is that they aren't
> > >the brightest dog around. Want something intelligent? Go for a Jack
> > >Russell Terrier. After you've had a Jack, every other dog seems like a
> > >dumbo. They need a hell of a lot of stimulation though. They are quite
> > >full on!
>
> > >Krypsis
>
> > Terriers have their own issues. *They are meant to pursue and often
> > catch. *It is the only (mixed) breed I was not successful with. *They
> > can be hard-wired and the oddest thing can re-wire them. *you have to
> > be on your toes with a terrier. You want a laid back dog? get a
> > labrador. Or a golden retriever or a mix of *those in a mixed breed
> > from the shelter. A shelter dog is usually thankful forever.
>
> > aloha,
> > Cea
>
> Except labs are not very bright and can be hard to train... and they
> don't clean themselves like the shepherd varieties do.

? Labs were bred to retrieve game. A friend of mine trained his to
point pheasants and quail, as well. His PITA dog was an English setter.

On May 1, 6:11*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>
> > There are also Belgian Malinois.
> > There is a good reason that they are used even more than German
> > Shephards by police as patrol and drug dogs.
>
> > I'm not currently in the market for a dog but would consider one if I
> > was.
>
> The one I rescued is testing my patience. He is a sweet dog when he is
> good, and that is most of the time. He is a fearsome guard dog. I am
> working on him. He had five years of doing whatever the hell he wanted,
> so it is taking a lot of training to get him to unlearn a lot of
> inappropriate behaviours. *I have had much more success with all my
> previous dogs.

A friend has a Terv bitch and that is a sweet, sweet dog.

On May 1, 6:39*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2010-05-02, pure kona > wrote:
>
> > extremely fresh cow poop off my Border Collie early this am.) *If you
> > want clean, get a cat
>
> I always thought Basenjis were the only dog that groomed themselves.
> WRONG! *My mom's min poodle does it all the time. *Lick paw, rub
> face... jes like a cat.
>

Licking paws and rubbing faces -- probably allergies. Do you feed it
chicken?

On May 1, 3:54*pm, Janet Baraclough >
wrote:
> The message >
> from "piedmont" > contains these words:
>
> > Two thing, do not mix male with female!
>
> * Why do you say that? Most shelters insist on their animals being
> neutered, males and females. So there's no chance of unwanted pups.
>

Plus a male and a female won't be challenging each other for dominance
all the time. They have two different ladders.

In article >,
Janet Baraclough > wrote:

> > On Sat, 01 May 2010 18:54:53 -0500, Omelet >
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article >,
> > > pure kona > wrote:
> > >
>
> > >> >
> > >> Terriers have their own issues. They are meant to pursue and often
> > >> catch. It is the only (mixed) breed I was not successful with. They
> > >> can be hard-wired and the oddest thing can re-wire them. you have to
> > >> be on your toes with a terrier. You want a laid back dog? get a
> > >> labrador. Or a golden retriever or a mix of those in a mixed breed
> > >> from the shelter. A shelter dog is usually thankful forever.
> > >>
> > >> aloha,
> > >> Cea
> > >
> > >Except labs are not very bright and can be hard to train... and they
> > >don't clean themselves like the shepherd varieties do.
>
> Are you kidding? Labs are very popular as working gun-dogs; they are
> also one of the commonest breeds used as guide-dogs
> for the blind. Both require a high level of trainability and obedience.
>
> Janet.

Okay, but some of the ones I've met and heard about around here are very
troublesome. Perhaps it's the owners or the specific bloodlines?
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In article
>,
spamtrap1888 > wrote:

> All herding dogs, even corgies, are a pain in the ass to own AFAIAC.
> And even pit bulls are more sociable with other dogs than are corgies,
> based on their behavior in the puppy play group we attend.
>
> Terriers such as the schnauzer were bred to be independent -- they
> can't really ask for reassurance when they're down in that burrow.
> They tend to be one-person or small-family dogs.

My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and sociable dog I've
ever owned.
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Omelet wrote:

> My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and sociable dog I've
> ever owned.

Never met a corgie owner that said otherwise! LOL!

Remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-b5myg7i1E

--Lin

Omelet replied to Janet about Labs:

>> Are you kidding? Labs are very popular as working gun-dogs; they are
>> also one of the commonest breeds used as guide-dogs
>> for the blind. Both require a high level of trainability and obedience.
>>
>> Janet.
>
> Okay, but some of the ones I've met and heard about around here are very
> troublesome. Perhaps it's the owners or the specific bloodlines?

In my experience around Labs (more than I care to count) they seem to
take a long time to mature and love playing the teenage class clown.
During this time they can be highly destructive -- particularly in their
chewing -- and one has to be a very dedicated owner to help channel that.

I also think that there is too much "backyard breeding" and as such I've
seen Labs with horrible temperaments toward humans and other dogs --
often within their own household. Could be partially environmental as
many of these owners "go for the cheap" and won't pay for a dog from a
quality breeder and end up skimping on things like good food, housing,
veterinary care. Those dogs might not get spayed or neutered before a
litter or/of 10 pups have arrived, perpetuating problems. I'm not saying
this is always the case, but I've seen it happen plenty enough (not just
Lab specific).

--Lin (Pro-reputable breeding programs and spay/neuter. Anti-BSL
legislation.)

Lin wrote on Sun, 02 May 2010 10:47:50 -0700:

>> My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and
>> sociable dog I've ever owned.

> Never met a corgie owner that said otherwise! LOL!

> Remember this?

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-b5myg7i1E

I don't remember where I saw the report many years ago where Prince
Phillip was caught kicking one of Queen Elizabeth's corgies into the
shrubbery after it snapped at him.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Omelet wrote:
>
>> I am hoping that it will. He is a nice dog. He is very loving and
>> friendly. I am not used to having a dog that I cannot trust off a leash.
>> He is better with the remote training collar, but as soon as I remove
>> it he turns deaf.
>
> Bummer. To date, I've only ever had to use a remote collar to train the
> corgie from nuisance barking. Since it has a tone setting, I'd use the
> tone first. After 3 tries, the tone alone worked.

It was a last resort. This collar was not cheap, but it has a range of
1000 yards. It has two signals. One is a beeping tone for rewards, so
you first have to give that on along with a treats. I use pieces of
cheap wieners. When he comes when called he gets a treat, and he gets
reward signals for heading in the right direction. The shock is
adjustable and he gets just enough to get his attention. If he continues
to disobey the shock can be cranked up. There is an upper limit, and
there is a time limit built on.



> I hope he works out for you! You are using training treats for recall
> training? Cheese bits or peanut butter treats have served me well. :-)

Most of the time he is very well behaved. He gets all worked up when
people come to the house and when he sees other dogs or cats. He was
barely trained when we got him 5 months ago, but he has come a long way.
He usually walks well on a leash and will now heel off leash... for a
while. That being said, he has broken a heavy choke chain and a spiked
training collar. Yesterday I picked up an extra heavy duty choke chain.
It was hard to find on that strong in his size. The guy at the pet chop
was surprised to see the broken ring on the end.

Yesterday I was watching some YouTube videos on Malinois and there was
one where the dog popped a choke chain. The comment made by the owner
was the same as mine when Sonny broke his.... Wow, he didn't even flinch.

spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On May 1, 6:11 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> There are also Belgian Malinois.
>>> There is a good reason that they are used even more than German
>>> Shephards by police as patrol and drug dogs.
>>> I'm not currently in the market for a dog but would consider one if I
>>> was.
>> The one I rescued is testing my patience. He is a sweet dog when he is
>> good, and that is most of the time. He is a fearsome guard dog. I am
>> working on him. He had five years of doing whatever the hell he wanted,
>> so it is taking a lot of training to get him to unlearn a lot of
>> inappropriate behaviours. I have had much more success with all my
>> previous dogs.
>
> A friend has a Terv bitch and that is a sweet, sweet dog.


I have a Groenendahl, and he is great. I was under the impression that
the Malinois, being basically the same breed, would be a lot like him.
I thought that old Luc was pretty active when I got him at the same age
(5), but he would not hold a candle to Sonny in strength, speed or agility.

> Now there's a breed that I'd never want to own; a very high
> maintenance coat and I've never met one that had any discernible brains
> or character.

We once raised them. High maintenance is an understatement, but
brains AND character in spades. Actually, a very fun dog, jes too
much hassle.

nb

In article >,
Janet Baraclough > wrote:

> > Okay, but some of the ones I've met and heard about around here are very
> > troublesome. Perhaps it's the owners or the specific bloodlines?
>
> Strange. Here, they're a popular choice as housepets in families
> with children, because of their easy going laid back temperament
> and reliability.
>
> Janet

Yes, they make good family dogs but are difficult to recall train and
constant garbage guts. Eating machines!
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In article >,
Lin > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and sociable dog I've
> > ever owned.
>
> Never met a corgie owner that said otherwise! LOL!
>
> Remember this?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-b5myg7i1E
>
> --Lin

Nice flashback, thanks. :-)

Corgies are favored by the Royal family in England as well!
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In article >,
Lin > wrote:

> Omelet replied to Janet about Labs:
>
> >> Are you kidding? Labs are very popular as working gun-dogs; they are
> >> also one of the commonest breeds used as guide-dogs
> >> for the blind. Both require a high level of trainability and obedience.
> >>
> >> Janet.
> >
> > Okay, but some of the ones I've met and heard about around here are very
> > troublesome. Perhaps it's the owners or the specific bloodlines?
>
> In my experience around Labs (more than I care to count) they seem to
> take a long time to mature and love playing the teenage class clown.
> During this time they can be highly destructive -- particularly in their
> chewing -- and one has to be a very dedicated owner to help channel that.
>
> I also think that there is too much "backyard breeding" and as such I've
> seen Labs with horrible temperaments toward humans and other dogs --
> often within their own household. Could be partially environmental as
> many of these owners "go for the cheap" and won't pay for a dog from a
> quality breeder and end up skimping on things like good food, housing,
> veterinary care. Those dogs might not get spayed or neutered before a
> litter or/of 10 pups have arrived, perpetuating problems. I'm not saying
> this is always the case, but I've seen it happen plenty enough (not just
> Lab specific).
>
> --Lin (Pro-reputable breeding programs and spay/neuter. Anti-BSL
> legislation.)

Good observation. :-)

I think that there can be a lot of variability between breeds.
One more argument for adopting an older adult dog. More time for them to
have settled in to their personality so you can choose accordingly.
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In article >,
"James Silverton" > wrote:

> Lin wrote on Sun, 02 May 2010 10:47:50 -0700:
>
> >> My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and
> >> sociable dog I've ever owned.
>
> > Never met a corgie owner that said otherwise! LOL!
>
> > Remember this?
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-b5myg7i1E
>
> I don't remember where I saw the report many years ago where Prince
> Phillip was caught kicking one of Queen Elizabeth's corgies into the
> shrubbery after it snapped at him.

Chelsea has never snapped at anyone. Not even strangers. She loves
everybody, as does the border collie.
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