In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> >> I am hoping that it will. He is a nice dog. He is very loving and
> >> friendly. I am not used to having a dog that I cannot trust off a leash.
> >> He is better with the remote training collar, but as soon as I remove
> >> it he turns deaf.
> >
> > Bummer. To date, I've only ever had to use a remote collar to train the
> > corgie from nuisance barking. Since it has a tone setting, I'd use the
> > tone first. After 3 tries, the tone alone worked.
>
> It was a last resort. This collar was not cheap, but it has a range of
> 1000 yards. It has two signals. One is a beeping tone for rewards, so
> you first have to give that on along with a treats. I use pieces of
> cheap wieners. When he comes when called he gets a treat, and he gets
> reward signals for heading in the right direction. The shock is
> adjustable and he gets just enough to get his attention. If he continues
> to disobey the shock can be cranked up. There is an upper limit, and
> there is a time limit built on.

Sounds similar to mine. 9 shock settings and I use the lowest setting
that gets her attention without making her yelp. Since I used the tone
as a warning prior to the shock, she learned to respond to just the
tone. I hate shock collars but as you say, they are a last resort.
Mine has a remote that is powerful enough to go thru the windows so she
did not associate it with me.

Rewards are given with obedience to voice commands and hand signals.

> > I hope he works out for you! You are using training treats for recall
> > training? Cheese bits or peanut butter treats have served me well. :-)
>
> Most of the time he is very well behaved. He gets all worked up when
> people come to the house and when he sees other dogs or cats. He was
> barely trained when we got him 5 months ago, but he has come a long way.
> He usually walks well on a leash and will now heel off leash... for a
> while. That being said, he has broken a heavy choke chain and a spiked
> training collar. Yesterday I picked up an extra heavy duty choke chain.
> It was hard to find on that strong in his size. The guy at the pet chop
> was surprised to see the broken ring on the end.

I've never tried the spiked collar. Have you tried a head collar? That
worked well for stopping the border collie from lunging on leash.
They are considered to be a very humane training tool. Jewely hates it
but it works. I've recommended head collars to more than one person and
they've been happy with how well they work. Nylon is also stronger than
metal. <g>

>
> Yesterday I was watching some YouTube videos on Malinois and there was
> one where the dog popped a choke chain. The comment made by the owner
> was the same as mine when Sonny broke his.... Wow, he didn't even flinch.

They are small but powerful dogs. ;-) Watching Odin, the local patrol
mailinois work, can be almost frightening!
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On Apr 30, 6:41*am, notbob > wrote:
> I may be getting a dog. *Hopefully from a shelter, there being way too
> many spares out there. *I'd like to get a smaller dog, we already
> having a min poodle. *She's a bitch (literally! -mom's dog) and I want
> a male to ...er... humble her just a bit. *Plus, the smaller the dog,
> the smaller the doodie/duty. *
>
> Anyway, I'm actually now partial to poodles, they being so dang smart.
> Plus, they are potential hunters and such. *(Mom's poodle abhors
> water!) *Another thought is a chihuahua, if for no other reason than
> just a goof. *Or maybe a whippet. *We've got the room, plus I hear
> (Dogs 101) they make great house dogs, being natural born couch
> potatoes after their daily vent. *
>
> Anyway, what say ye? *I'm open to suggestions.
>
> nb

Since you said you'd go to a shelter, why not just go and see who
wants to come home with you?

Rescues make the best pets because they know you've saved their
lives.
Especially if they choose you. I know someone who lost her black lab
a little more than a year ago. She decided a few months ago she had
grieved long enough, so she called the breeder and told him she wanted
a male white lab this time. It's being bred to order and will be born
in June. She'll be able to take him home in August.
Kind of creepy if you ask me. When we lost our dog after 15 years, it
took DH and me several months to feel "ready". We walked into the
shelter and there was one mutt who started barking the moment we got
there. We looked at a few, some were awfully cute, but this one
practically pried the bars off his cage to get to us. It was like he
recognized us; tail wagging, tongue out--maybe he did. All I know is,
he picked us. And it's been a perfect match.

Omelet wrote:

>> It was a last resort. This collar was not cheap, but it has a range of
>> 1000 yards. It has two signals. One is a beeping tone for rewards, so
>> you first have to give that on along with a treats. I use pieces of
>> cheap wieners. When he comes when called he gets a treat, and he gets
>> reward signals for heading in the right direction. The shock is
>> adjustable and he gets just enough to get his attention. If he continues
>> to disobey the shock can be cranked up. There is an upper limit, and
>> there is a time limit built on.
>
> Sounds similar to mine. 9 shock settings and I use the lowest setting
> that gets her attention without making her yelp. Since I used the tone
> as a warning prior to the shock, she learned to respond to just the
> tone. I hate shock collars but as you say, they are a last resort.
> Mine has a remote that is powerful enough to go thru the windows so she
> did not associate it with me.

I find the positive reward tone to be just as effective as the negative
shock. He gets a "beep" reward for turning in the right direction and
more for moving in the right direction, and then the real treat when he
comes back to me.

> Rewards are given with obedience to voice commands and hand signals.

Dogs are not capable of speech, so voice commands generally don't mean a
whole hell of a lot. Like most animals, they respond better to had
signals.


> I've never tried the spiked collar. Have you tried a head collar? That
> worked well for stopping the border collie from lunging on leash.
> They are considered to be a very humane training tool. Jewely hates it
> but it works. I've recommended head collars to more than one person and
> they've been happy with how well they work. Nylon is also stronger than
> metal. <g>


I tried a Haltie on him but he would have nothing to do with it. He got
out of of within minutes every time I tried it. The spiked collar works
well. They are actually better than yanking on a choke chain, which can
cause neck problems. The spikes don't stick out when the collar is
loose. They are set on an angle so that they change to a sharper angle
when the pull on the collar, but they only go to about 40 degrees,
enough to make it uncomfortable but certainly not sticking into their
necks.



>> Yesterday I was watching some YouTube videos on Malinois and there was
>> one where the dog popped a choke chain. The comment made by the owner
>> was the same as mine when Sonny broke his.... Wow, he didn't even flinch.
>
> They are small but powerful dogs. ;-) Watching Odin, the local patrol
> mailinois work, can be almost frightening!

This guy amazes me. His strength speed and agility is amazing. We have
had some interesting encounters with geese. A few weeks ago my brother
was over and we took the dog for a walk. There were some geese walking
by the neighbour's pond and the neighbours don't want them around. I
let Sonny go to chase the geese away. The sort of took off and half
swam, half flew to the far side of the pond. I guess it never occurred
to them that he would run around the pond and beat them to the far side,
from which he jumped close to 12 feet and almost landed on one.

A few days after that I had him in the nursery behind us. The fields had
been muddy so he had been staying out of them, sticking to the grassy
areas where he wouldn't sink in the mud. There were a few dozen geese
in the nursery. He headed off to the easy, away from the nursery and
the geese. The geese got pretty cocky, walking in his general direction,
waving wings and honking at him. Then they turned their scorn on me and
poor old Luc. While they were threatening us and celebrating their
thinking that they had scared Sonny off, they didn't notice him circle
around behind them, where the ground was firmer. He came racing up
behind them and they only noticed him at the last moment. When the first
gaggle took off he just kept right on running toward the next group, who
didn't even know what was happening. And when that group took off, he
just kept running toward the third group. He came darned close to
catching one.

The funny thing about the geese is that they always seem surprised to
realize how fast he is bearing down on them.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> I find the positive reward tone to be just as effective as the negative
> shock. He gets a "beep" reward for turning in the right direction and
> more for moving in the right direction, and then the real treat when he
> comes back to me.

Have you tried a Clicker?

>
> > Rewards are given with obedience to voice commands and hand signals.
>
> Dogs are not capable of speech, so voice commands generally don't mean a
> whole hell of a lot. Like most animals, they respond better to had
> signals.

Yes. Which is why I frequently use them in combination. ;-)
Dogs are big on body language.

>
>
> > I've never tried the spiked collar. Have you tried a head collar? That
> > worked well for stopping the border collie from lunging on leash.
> > They are considered to be a very humane training tool. Jewely hates it
> > but it works. I've recommended head collars to more than one person and
> > they've been happy with how well they work. Nylon is also stronger than
> > metal. <g>
>
>
> I tried a Haltie on him but he would have nothing to do with it. He got
> out of of within minutes every time I tried it. The spiked collar works
> well. They are actually better than yanking on a choke chain, which can
> cause neck problems. The spikes don't stick out when the collar is
> loose. They are set on an angle so that they change to a sharper angle
> when the pull on the collar, but they only go to about 40 degrees,
> enough to make it uncomfortable but certainly not sticking into their
> necks.

Yes, I am familiar with how they work. Just had not tried one as the
Haltie worked. I'm sorry it did not work for you! Different dogs,
different tools. Examining how they work, I never have considered them
to be cruel and likely better than choke collars.

>
> >> Yesterday I was watching some YouTube videos on Malinois and there was
> >> one where the dog popped a choke chain. The comment made by the owner
> >> was the same as mine when Sonny broke his.... Wow, he didn't even flinch.
> >
> > They are small but powerful dogs. ;-) Watching Odin, the local patrol
> > mailinois work, can be almost frightening!
>
> This guy amazes me. His strength speed and agility is amazing. We have
> had some interesting encounters with geese. A few weeks ago my brother
> was over and we took the dog for a walk. There were some geese walking
> by the neighbour's pond and the neighbours don't want them around. I
> let Sonny go to chase the geese away. The sort of took off and half
> swam, half flew to the far side of the pond. I guess it never occurred
> to them that he would run around the pond and beat them to the far side,
> from which he jumped close to 12 feet and almost landed on one.

<lol> Bet that was fun for him!
>
> A few days after that I had him in the nursery behind us. The fields had
> been muddy so he had been staying out of them, sticking to the grassy
> areas where he wouldn't sink in the mud. There were a few dozen geese
> in the nursery. He headed off to the easy, away from the nursery and
> the geese. The geese got pretty cocky, walking in his general direction,
> waving wings and honking at him. Then they turned their scorn on me and
> poor old Luc. While they were threatening us and celebrating their
> thinking that they had scared Sonny off, they didn't notice him circle
> around behind them, where the ground was firmer. He came racing up
> behind them and they only noticed him at the last moment. When the first
> gaggle took off he just kept right on running toward the next group, who
> didn't even know what was happening. And when that group took off, he
> just kept running toward the third group. He came darned close to
> catching one.

Too bad he missed. Wild goose for dinner!
>
> The funny thing about the geese is that they always seem surprised to
> realize how fast he is bearing down on them.

They are amazingly fast from what I have seen.
I really do hope he works out for you. :-)

Have you tried the "roll him over on his back and grab a handful of
throat fur" yet? That's a very dominating move and worked fantastically
for the Belgian Shepherd/Catahoula I had many moons ago. And it does not
hurt them.

I used it in combination with the "stay" command I was trying to teach
her. The dominance worked like a charm.

Speak "wolf" to them. <g>
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Omelet wrote:

>> I find the positive reward tone to be just as effective as the negative
>> shock. He gets a "beep" reward for turning in the right direction and
>> more for moving in the right direction, and then the real treat when he
>> comes back to me.
>
> Have you tried a Clicker?


You haven't seen this guy run. Within seconds he is too far away to hear
a clicker. FWIW, I have trained a lot of different types of animals and
have always had well trained dogs. I got this guy at the age of 5 and he
had been spoiled. The previous owner led him run free all summer at
their cottage.



>> This guy amazes me. His strength speed and agility is amazing. We have
>> had some interesting encounters with geese. A few weeks ago my brother
>> was over and we took the dog for a walk. There were some geese walking
>> by the neighbour's pond and the neighbours don't want them around. I
>> let Sonny go to chase the geese away. The sort of took off and half
>> swam, half flew to the far side of the pond. I guess it never occurred
>> to them that he would run around the pond and beat them to the far side,
>> from which he jumped close to 12 feet and almost landed on one.
>
> <lol> Bet that was fun for him!

It's hard to be mad at him when he is having so much fun. The down side
is that running is his big pleasure. It's hard to come up with positive
reinforcement that is stronger than his love of running.





>
> They are amazingly fast from what I have seen.
> I really do hope he works out for you. :-)
>
> Have you tried the "roll him over on his back and grab a handful of
> throat fur" yet? That's a very dominating move and worked fantastically
> for the Belgian Shepherd/Catahoula I had many moons ago. And it does not
> hurt them.

I did that early on when we were in the car and he tried to attack every
dog and every person we drove past. It worked.... sort of. One thing he
really hates is to have me grab him by the back of the neck and force
him down.


> I used it in combination with the "stay" command I was trying to teach
> her. The dominance worked like a charm.

It's all about dominance.

On 5/2/2010 10:53 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>
>>> I find the positive reward tone to be just as effective as the
>>> negative shock. He gets a "beep" reward for turning in the right
>>> direction and more for moving in the right direction, and then the
>>> real treat when he comes back to me.
>>
>> Have you tried a Clicker?
>
>
> You haven't seen this guy run. Within seconds he is too far away to hear
> a clicker. FWIW, I have trained a lot of different types of animals and
> have always had well trained dogs. I got this guy at the age of 5 and he
> had been spoiled. The previous owner led him run free all summer at
> their cottage.
>
>
>
>>> This guy amazes me. His strength speed and agility is amazing. We
>>> have had some interesting encounters with geese. A few weeks ago my
>>> brother was over and we took the dog for a walk. There were some
>>> geese walking by the neighbour's pond and the neighbours don't want
>>> them around. I let Sonny go to chase the geese away. The sort of took
>>> off and half swam, half flew to the far side of the pond. I guess it
>>> never occurred to them that he would run around the pond and beat
>>> them to the far side, from which he jumped close to 12 feet and
>>> almost landed on one.
>>
>> <lol> Bet that was fun for him!
>
> It's hard to be mad at him when he is having so much fun. The down side
> is that running is his big pleasure. It's hard to come up with positive
> reinforcement that is stronger than his love of running.

Sounds like the fast sooner hound--if you don't know that story you can
find it at <http://home.comcast.net/~larches/SoonerHound.html>.

>> They are amazingly fast from what I have seen.
>> I really do hope he works out for you. :-)
>>
>> Have you tried the "roll him over on his back and grab a handful of
>> throat fur" yet? That's a very dominating move and worked
>> fantastically for the Belgian Shepherd/Catahoula I had many moons ago.
>> And it does not hurt them.
>
> I did that early on when we were in the car and he tried to attack every
> dog and every person we drove past. It worked.... sort of. One thing he
> really hates is to have me grab him by the back of the neck and force
> him down.
>
>
>> I used it in combination with the "stay" command I was trying to teach
>> her. The dominance worked like a charm.
>
> It's all about dominance.
>

In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> >> This guy amazes me. His strength speed and agility is amazing. We have
> >> had some interesting encounters with geese. A few weeks ago my brother
> >> was over and we took the dog for a walk. There were some geese walking
> >> by the neighbour's pond and the neighbours don't want them around. I
> >> let Sonny go to chase the geese away. The sort of took off and half
> >> swam, half flew to the far side of the pond. I guess it never occurred
> >> to them that he would run around the pond and beat them to the far side,
> >> from which he jumped close to 12 feet and almost landed on one.
> >
> > <lol> Bet that was fun for him!
>
> It's hard to be mad at him when he is having so much fun. The down side
> is that running is his big pleasure. It's hard to come up with positive
> reinforcement that is stronger than his love of running.

I wonder... Thrill of the chase, a fetch toy maybe?
The drug dogs here are pretty toy oriented.
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In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> "Omelet" >
> >
> > Bummer. To date, I've only ever had to use a remote collar to train the
> > corgie from nuisance barking. Since it has a tone setting, I'd use the
> > tone first. After 3 tries, the tone alone worked.
>
> Do you have a corgi? I have had a Pembroke for about seven years now.

Yes. Spayed female Pembroke Corgie and yes, she does know that the shock
collar is on her. I just leave it on and switched electrodes.

> I
> could barely to get the shocker to work through the fur. Then when it did,
> he's so smart that whenever I'd put it on him, he'd go lay in the corner
> like a slug for hours at a time so that he could do nothing to get into
> trouble. Then take the collar off, and bingo! The dog has bitten me
> several times, my wife, my daughter, a police officer and a security guard.

Not good. :-(

>
> But he's my "Buddy." Good thing, cause no one else really likes him, just
> puts up with him. But I "understand" him, and I don't have many real
> problems with him. He's really good with the two new rescue dogs, too. We
> live on a rural ranch, so he gets to spend time out doors. He loves to just
> go lay outside when it is freezing with such thick fur. He is miserable in
> the summer.
>
> Steve

I shave mine in the summer. Send her to a groomer.
I won't leave that double coat on her and she is so much more active as
a result.

It grows back just fine for winter.
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In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote
>
> >I hate shock collars but as you say, they are a last resort.
> > Mine has a remote that is powerful enough to go thru the windows so she
> > did not associate it with me.
>
> My MIL bought me a blue boxy thing at Big Lots. A little smaller than a
> pack of cigarettes. It makes some dogs take off running, and doesn't faze
> others at all. My two rescue pooches take off when I hit it, but I never
> let them see me hit it. It's always on the countertop.
>
> Today my daughter and her crew came over including Mickey. He's an
> obnoxious Yorkie who will jump in your lap during dinner. I put the box on
> my lap, and just an instant before Mickey was going to jump into daughter's
> lap, I hit it. It works really good on him. He looked like someone hit him
> in the face with a wet towel. He took off and went into the hall. In a
> bit, he was back. At our house, no dogs are allowed in the dining room
> during dinner. He trotted right back in, and we repeated the sequence.
> Next time, when he took one step out of the hall I hit it again. By now,
> all my dogs are back taking a nap or in other rooms.
>
> I think it will take Mickey one more trip to my house to be trained. I'd
> suggest it to my daughter, but I know the four and six year olds would
> torture the dog with it.
>
> No one saw a thing. I carry it when doing real estate studies, and it works
> on about half the dogs.
>
> Steve

My goal with a shock collar is to train a dog, not hurt it. They are a
tool that has to be used with respect.
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In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "James Silverton" > wrote:
> >
> >> Lin wrote on Sun, 02 May 2010 10:47:50 -0700:
> >>
> >> >> My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and
> >> >> sociable dog I've ever owned.
> >>
> >> > Never met a corgie owner that said otherwise! LOL!
> >>
> >> > Remember this?
> >>
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-b5myg7i1E
> >>
> >> I don't remember where I saw the report many years ago where Prince
> >> Phillip was caught kicking one of Queen Elizabeth's corgies into the
> >> shrubbery after it snapped at him.
> >
> > Chelsea has never snapped at anyone. Not even strangers. She loves
> > everybody, as does the border collie.
> > --
> > Peace! Om
>
> Last time mine bit me, I thought he had broken my finger.
>
> Steve

You need to be more dominant. Chelsea has never bitten anyone. Not even
the nephews and she belongs to them. I'm only fostering her.
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"Omelet" >
>
> Bummer. To date, I've only ever had to use a remote collar to train the
> corgie from nuisance barking. Since it has a tone setting, I'd use the
> tone first. After 3 tries, the tone alone worked.

Do you have a corgi? I have had a Pembroke for about seven years now. I
could barely to get the shocker to work through the fur. Then when it did,
he's so smart that whenever I'd put it on him, he'd go lay in the corner
like a slug for hours at a time so that he could do nothing to get into
trouble. Then take the collar off, and bingo! The dog has bitten me
several times, my wife, my daughter, a police officer and a security guard.

But he's my "Buddy." Good thing, cause no one else really likes him, just
puts up with him. But I "understand" him, and I don't have many real
problems with him. He's really good with the two new rescue dogs, too. We
live on a rural ranch, so he gets to spend time out doors. He loves to just
go lay outside when it is freezing with such thick fur. He is miserable in
the summer.

Steve

"Omelet" > wrote

>I hate shock collars but as you say, they are a last resort.
> Mine has a remote that is powerful enough to go thru the windows so she
> did not associate it with me.

My MIL bought me a blue boxy thing at Big Lots. A little smaller than a
pack of cigarettes. It makes some dogs take off running, and doesn't faze
others at all. My two rescue pooches take off when I hit it, but I never
let them see me hit it. It's always on the countertop.

Today my daughter and her crew came over including Mickey. He's an
obnoxious Yorkie who will jump in your lap during dinner. I put the box on
my lap, and just an instant before Mickey was going to jump into daughter's
lap, I hit it. It works really good on him. He looked like someone hit him
in the face with a wet towel. He took off and went into the hall. In a
bit, he was back. At our house, no dogs are allowed in the dining room
during dinner. He trotted right back in, and we repeated the sequence.
Next time, when he took one step out of the hall I hit it again. By now,
all my dogs are back taking a nap or in other rooms.

I think it will take Mickey one more trip to my house to be trained. I'd
suggest it to my daughter, but I know the four and six year olds would
torture the dog with it.

No one saw a thing. I carry it when doing real estate studies, and it works
on about half the dogs.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

>
>> All herding dogs, even corgies, are a pain in the ass to own AFAIAC.

> My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and sociable dog I've
> ever owned.
> --
> Peace! Om

This is my third, and the worst of the lot. I'd get another, and maybe a
Cardigan, but my wife would have to be deceased or divorced if I brought
home another Corgi. But then, again, after getting these two sweetheart
poodle/terrier/heinz57 rescue dogs, I really don't know if I would get
another Corgi because of the hair, mainly. These two rescues now have hair,
and not fur. They don't shed a lick. Nice silky hair. Both were timid
introverts when we got them home, but have emerged nicely. Today was bath
day for both, as one was spayed a week or so ago. They love taking a bath,
getting groomed, and one even likes the hair dryer.

Steve

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A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "James Silverton" > wrote:
>
>> Lin wrote on Sun, 02 May 2010 10:47:50 -0700:
>>
>> >> My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and
>> >> sociable dog I've ever owned.
>>
>> > Never met a corgie owner that said otherwise! LOL!
>>
>> > Remember this?
>>
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-b5myg7i1E
>>
>> I don't remember where I saw the report many years ago where Prince
>> Phillip was caught kicking one of Queen Elizabeth's corgies into the
>> shrubbery after it snapped at him.
>
> Chelsea has never snapped at anyone. Not even strangers. She loves
> everybody, as does the border collie.
> --
> Peace! Om

Last time mine bit me, I thought he had broken my finger.

Steve

> > extremely fresh cow poop off my Border Collie early this am.) If you
> > want clean, get a cat

All three of mine have a preference of key lime colored yogurt consistency
cow manure. And they all come home with a look of "So, do you like my new
cologne?" Last time, I took my corgi by the collar and was spraying him
with the garden hose. That's when he nailed me.

Steve

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A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

Dave Smith wrote:
> pure kona wrote:
>>
>>> Except labs are not very bright and can be hard to train... and they
>>> don't clean themselves like the shepherd varieties do.
>> Well I have had labs and shepherds and many mixed breeds and a terrier
>> etc. Labs can be very smart but they act and look slightly
>> goofy.Shepherds look sharp, so we expect them to be. And cleaning?
>> Egads, I have never depended on a dog to be clean. (Just had to wash
>> extremely fresh cow poop off my Border Collie early this am.) If you
>> want clean, get a cat
>
> Cow poop? I wish. My Malinois has been rolling in a carcass and I can't
> find it. He has come back a few times reeking of it. Last weekend when
> my son and I took him out for a run he came back with a about a foot and
> a half long spine (racoon?) stuck in his training collar. Both of us
> puked trying to get it off. I brought him home and gave him a batch in
> the back yard, and now the yard stinks.
Vanilla extract or Eucalyptus will kill it

On May 2, 9:05*am, Omelet > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> *spamtrap1888 > wrote:
> > All herding dogs, even corgies, are a pain in the ass to own AFAIAC.
> > And even pit bulls are more sociable with other dogs than are corgies,
> > based on their behavior in the puppy play group we attend.
>
> > Terriers such as the schnauzer were bred to be independent -- they
> > can't really ask for reassurance when they're down in that burrow.
> > They tend to be one-person or small-family dogs.
>
> My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and sociable dog I've
> ever owned.

Sounds like you got a good one -- compare Steve B.'s experience. But
I've never had to use a shock collar on a non-sporting dog.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Steve B" > wrote:
>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > In article >,
>> > "James Silverton" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Lin wrote on Sun, 02 May 2010 10:47:50 -0700:
>> >>
>> >> >> My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and
>> >> >> sociable dog I've ever owned.
>> >>
>> >> > Never met a corgie owner that said otherwise! LOL!
>> >>
>> >> > Remember this?
>> >>
>> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-b5myg7i1E
>> >>
>> >> I don't remember where I saw the report many years ago where Prince
>> >> Phillip was caught kicking one of Queen Elizabeth's corgies into the
>> >> shrubbery after it snapped at him.
>> >
>> > Chelsea has never snapped at anyone. Not even strangers. She loves
>> > everybody, as does the border collie.
>> > --
>> > Peace! Om
>>
>> Last time mine bit me, I thought he had broken my finger.
>>
>> Steve
>
> You need to be more dominant. Chelsea has never bitten anyone. Not even
> the nephews and she belongs to them. I'm only fostering her.
> --
> Peace! Om

We're working on that. I watched Cesar Millan
Steve

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A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.
shows a lot during my last hospital stay, and got some pointers. He's the
most hardheaded dog I've ever had. No disrespect meant, but if yours is
such a cupcake, why do you need a shock collar? I tell you what, corgis are
a ............ what word am I looking for ............... unique
............. breed.

In article
>,
spamtrap1888 > wrote:

> On May 2, 9:05*am, Omelet > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> > *spamtrap1888 > wrote:
> > > All herding dogs, even corgies, are a pain in the ass to own AFAIAC.
> > > And even pit bulls are more sociable with other dogs than are corgies,
> > > based on their behavior in the puppy play group we attend.
> >
> > > Terriers such as the schnauzer were bred to be independent -- they
> > > can't really ask for reassurance when they're down in that burrow.
> > > They tend to be one-person or small-family dogs.
> >
> > My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and sociable dog I've
> > ever owned.
>
> Sounds like you got a good one -- compare Steve B.'s experience. But
> I've never had to use a shock collar on a non-sporting dog.

I'm using it to train her not to nuisance bark is all. It's been a real
problem. After the first three times tho', I've only had to use the
tone. I'm not having to use the shock setting at all. I didn't know
what else to do as I'd already tried everything else! She needs to be
outside to run as corgie's tend to get really fat otherwise.

I am sorry that Steve has had bad experience with his. Chelsea really is
a very special and loving little dog. I wonder if Steve has had his dog
neutered? That can sometimes help with males.
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Omelet wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I find the positive reward tone to be just as effective as the negative
>> shock. He gets a "beep" reward for turning in the right direction and
>> more for moving in the right direction, and then the real treat when he
>> comes back to me.
>
>Have you tried a Clicker?

Every dog will respond to the sound of the fridge door opening, a can
opener, and a cellophane bag crinkling. LOL

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article
> >,
> spamtrap1888 > wrote:
>
>> On May 2, 9:05 am, Omelet > wrote:
>> > In article
>> > >,
>> >
>> > spamtrap1888 > wrote:
>> > > All herding dogs, even corgies, are a pain in the ass to own AFAIAC.
>> > > And even pit bulls are more sociable with other dogs than are
>> > > corgies,
>> > > based on their behavior in the puppy play group we attend.
>> >
>> > > Terriers such as the schnauzer were bred to be independent -- they
>> > > can't really ask for reassurance when they're down in that burrow.
>> > > They tend to be one-person or small-family dogs.
>> >
>> > My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and sociable dog
>> > I've
>> > ever owned.
>>
>> Sounds like you got a good one -- compare Steve B.'s experience. But
>> I've never had to use a shock collar on a non-sporting dog.
>
> I'm using it to train her not to nuisance bark is all. It's been a real
> problem. After the first three times tho', I've only had to use the
> tone. I'm not having to use the shock setting at all. I didn't know
> what else to do as I'd already tried everything else! She needs to be
> outside to run as corgie's tend to get really fat otherwise.
>
> I am sorry that Steve has had bad experience with his. Chelsea really is
> a very special and loving little dog. I wonder if Steve has had his dog
> neutered? That can sometimes help with males.
> --
> Peace! Om

Buddy was neutered early on. He has lost some pounds since the two new ones
got here, and run him around. I have always said that Corgi barking is like
a balloon popping. If you're sitting there, and everything's quiet, and
they cut loose, it scares the crap out of you.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message m>
> from Dave Smith > contains these words:
>
>
>> It's hard to be mad at him when he is having so much fun. The down side
>> is that running is his big pleasure. It's hard to come up with positive
>> reinforcement that is stronger than his love of running.
>
> Use his running to train him, by encouraging him to run fast..on your
> terms, as a game.


I have tried fetching with a ball and a Frisbee, both of which work
great for 5 or 6 throws, after which he loses interest.


The odd thing is that he does come back..... when he feels like it. He
prefers to run way ahead and to stay ahead, but if I stop he will come
looking for me.


I have been using the remote training collar on every walk (run)
lately. As long as he has that one, and it is on tight enough for good
contact, he will pay attention. I keep him within sight so that I can
know when to send a shock and when to send the reward signal. The last
few days have been very successful. Maybe I made the mistake of not
using it for a while and he reverted to his old habits.



> You might consider a high pitch dog-whistle so that he can hear you
> at a distance (sheepdog handlers can signal over long distances using
> one) . Another hide-and -seek opportunity, in the house,
> will teach him what it means.
>


I never could tell if those things work ;-)

In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> >> > My Corgie has been the best, smartest, most loving and sociable dog
> >> > I've
> >> > ever owned.
> >>
> >> Sounds like you got a good one -- compare Steve B.'s experience. But
> >> I've never had to use a shock collar on a non-sporting dog.
> >
> > I'm using it to train her not to nuisance bark is all. It's been a real
> > problem. After the first three times tho', I've only had to use the
> > tone. I'm not having to use the shock setting at all. I didn't know
> > what else to do as I'd already tried everything else! She needs to be
> > outside to run as corgie's tend to get really fat otherwise.
> >
> > I am sorry that Steve has had bad experience with his. Chelsea really is
> > a very special and loving little dog. I wonder if Steve has had his dog
> > neutered? That can sometimes help with males.
>
> Buddy was neutered early on.

Ok, was just worth a thought. :-) I've mostly ever owned bitches but
neutering has seemed to temper both sexes of dogs for me in the past.
And it helps to keep the puppy murder rate at the local shelters down.
:-( I know that it's a necessary evil but I'm never happy about it.
That and kittens. People that do not practice birth control with their
pets just don't seem to get how cruel it can really get, and how badly
it can get out of control in no time at all.

> He has lost some pounds since the two new ones
> got here, and run him around.

My border collie helps keep Chelsea's weight down some. They play
together a lot.

> I have always said that Corgi barking is like
> a balloon popping. If you're sitting there, and everything's quiet, and
> they cut loose, it scares the crap out of you.

<lol> Since night shift is my normal venue, I need to keep dogs barking
in the yard to a minimum!

>
> Steve
>
> visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book
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In article >,
Janet Baraclough > wrote:

> >Like most animals, they respond better to had signals.
>
> I always trained my dogs to voice commands; but since we had one that
> went stone deaf, I've trained them with both
> voice commands and hand signals. IME they are equally responsive to
> both; but of course hand signals are no use at night,
> or if the dog is out of sight. You really need both.
>
>
> Janet

Good thought and input. I tend to use them in combination, but never
thought of that aspect of it.
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On Tue, 4 May 2010 00:40:29 +0100, Janet Baraclough
> wrote:

>The message >
>from Dave Smith > contains these words:
>
>
>> Dogs are not capable of speech, so voice commands generally don't mean a
>> whole hell of a lot.
>
> Tell that to police dog trainers or shepherds :-) On youtube I saw a
>dog that recognises at least 300 words.
>
>>Like most animals, they respond better to had signals.
>
> I always trained my dogs to voice commands; but since we had one that
>went stone deaf, I've trained them with both
>voice commands and hand signals. I

Was it a Brittany? Ours went deaf but she was perfect before and
after

aloha,
Cea

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> The odd thing is that he does come back..... when he feels like it. He
> prefers to run way ahead and to stay ahead, but if I stop he will come
> looking for me.

Perfect. :-) In that case, you really are dominant! Dogs in a pack
mentality tend to seek approval. Ignoring them is punishment.

Tends to work for parrots too but more slowly as they have longer
attention spans!
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Omelet wrote:

>> It's hard to be mad at him when he is having so much fun. The down side
>> is that running is his big pleasure. It's hard to come up with positive
>> reinforcement that is stronger than his love of running.
>
> I wonder... Thrill of the chase, a fetch toy maybe?
> The drug dogs here are pretty toy oriented.



He loves to fetch balls and Frisbees.... but just a few times. Maybe no
one ever played fetch with him before but he seems to get frustrated
bringing things to me if I am just going to throw it away again.

It is a bit of a chore to take him for his runs because he is so eager
to go. I have to stay on his case to make him heel. When we get to the
back fields I let him run, call him back, let him run, call him back,
let him have a good run. Then on the way home he is good as gold.

We have had pretty good results over the last few days. He runs back and
forth and stays fairly close. He is catching on the the idea that as
long as he doesn't wander to far he can run as much as he wants.