"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> Felice wrote:
>> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>> On Sun, 2 May 2010 09:43:39 -0400, "Felice" >
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> Not over MY head! The g&t worked fine last night but now I have to
>>>>> find a sub for my morning coffee, and I'm not sure Bloody Marys are
>>>>> the answer.

>>> Melt some more old ice cubes and make coffee with the result.
>>>
>>> gloria p

>> Sheer genius, Gloria, sheer genius! I'm off to the kitchen to toss three
>> trays of ice cubes into a pitcher. I WILL have coffee in the morning!
>>
>> BTW, that peach-flavored vitamin water I mentioned earlier is just awful.
>>
>> Felice

> Felice... Do you really have NO water? Does your daughter have a car?
>
> Jean B.

I do now, thanks, Jean. A six-pack of Poland Springs, courtesy of my
building management, a whole lot of fruit juice, and some water I've been
boiling for tooth-brushing. The catch is that I'm still using a walker and
messin' around with boiling water is a bit dicey. However, Junior Daughter
is on the alert for shipments to Shaw's and Senior Daughter will be hauling
some in from Hingham.

Sure makes one appreciate what we take for granted!

Felice

On Sun, 2 May 2010 17:15:56 -0400, Felice wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 1 May 2010 21:00:19 -0400, Felice wrote:
>>
>>> We've been on a boil-water alert since early evening, when a 10-foot
>>> diameter pipe bringing water to the Boston area sprang a leak and is
>>> dumping
>>> eight million gallons of water per hour into the Charles River. So along
>>> with 2 million or so other area residents who didn't get to the store
>>> early
>>> enough to grab some bottled stuff, I'm quenching my thirst with a
>>> substitute -- in my case, gin and tonic and yesterday's ice cubes.
>>>
>>> Felice
>>
>> god, i love you can-do pioneering-type women.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Water? We don't need no steenkin' water! But the Junior Daughter braved the
> hordes at Shaw's this morning and scored two bottles of peach-flavored
> vitamin water. Deargod, what is this world coming to?
>
> Felice

i'd stick with the tonic for your gin.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 2 May 2010 17:17:20 -0400, Felice wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 2 May 2010 04:09:20 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>>> Ophelia chimed in with Paco in criticism of Giusi:
>>>
>>>>>>> We've been on a boil-water alert since early evening, when a 10-foot
>>>>>>> diameter pipe bringing water to the Boston area sprang a leak and is
>>>>>>> dumping eight million gallons of water per hour into the Charles
>>>>>>> River.
>>>>>>> So along with 2 million or so other area residents who didn't get to
>>>>>>> the store early enough to grab some bottled stuff, I'm quenching my
>>>>>>> thirst with a substitute -- in my case, gin and tonic and yesterday's
>>>>>>> ice cubes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Felice
>>>>>> Things could be a lot worse, or at least they could be if you were
>>>>>> sober
>>>>>> enough to know it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That was cold.
>>>>
>>>> and nasty!
>>>
>>> I didn't see it that way at all. Felice *said* she was drinking gin and
>>> tonic because of the lack of fresh water, which struck me as humorous in
>>> a
>>> black-humor kind of way. Giusi just made a similarly-humorous observation
>>> based on what Felice wrote.
>>>
>>> I think Giusi's humor just passed over your heads.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> i read an implied smiley there as well.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> That's the only smiley I find acceptable.
>
> Felice

exactly.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Sun, 2 May 2010 17:15:56 -0400, Felice wrote:
>
>> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 1 May 2010 21:00:19 -0400, Felice wrote:
>>>
>>>> We've been on a boil-water alert since early evening, when a 10-foot
>>>> diameter pipe bringing water to the Boston area sprang a leak and is
>>>> dumping
>>>> eight million gallons of water per hour into the Charles River. So
>>>> along
>>>> with 2 million or so other area residents who didn't get to the store
>>>> early
>>>> enough to grab some bottled stuff, I'm quenching my thirst with a
>>>> substitute -- in my case, gin and tonic and yesterday's ice cubes.
>>>>
>>>> Felice
>>>
>>> god, i love you can-do pioneering-type women.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>> Water? We don't need no steenkin' water! But the Junior Daughter braved
>> the
>> hordes at Shaw's this morning and scored two bottles of peach-flavored
>> vitamin water. Deargod, what is this world coming to?
>>
>> Felice
>
> i'd stick with the tonic for your gin.
>
> your pal,
> blake

So now that I have a stash of Poland Springs, WTF do I do with
peach-flavored vitamin water, give it to the philodendron?

Felice

"Felice" wrote:
>
>So now that I have a stash of Poland Springs, WTF do I do with
>peach-flavored vitamin water?

Gargle! hehe

"Jean B." wrote:
>
> Dan Abel wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Janet Baraclough > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Jean, if you have a hot shower, or draw piping hot bath/basin water
> >> from the hot tap and let it cool, the heating of the water will
> >> have killed any bacterial contamination.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portabl...cation#Boiling
> >
> > This does not sound like a good idea. Temperatures sufficient to kill
> > the contaminants will also destroy your skin. The above cite says 70C
> > (158F) for one half hour. Then you've got the contaminated water in
> > your pipes. The warning notice on the side of my water heater says that
> > 160F water will cause 2nd and 3rd degree burns on adult skin in .5
> > seconds. If you let it cool to 150F, you get all of 1.5 seconds. I
> > don't want 40 gallons of water sitting around that will burn people.
> > The water heater is simply not designed for water heat treatment.
> >
> >> So will boiling your drinking
> >> water. Use boiled water for cleaning teeth.
> >
> > This is a good idea.
> >
> I am wondering about the pipes. Even use of the toilets obviously
> brings that water into the pipes.... So when one can use the tap
> water again, I imagine one would have to somehow deal with that.
> Shoulda just camped at the other house, I guess, although that
> would be hard with the workers there wreaking havoc.
>
> --
> Jean B.

For bathing, you can use the tap water to fill the bath tub and just add
1/4c of bleach to the full tub. It will certainly kill whatever
contaminants may be in the untreated tap water. It's also not unusual or
untested, it's used to treat recurrent staph infections. The residual
chlorine in the city water will sanitize your plumbing once they get the
water supply normalized, and they typically boost the chlorine level to
the maximum "safe" level for a bit after such an event.

In article >,
"Felice" > wrote:

> We've been on a boil-water alert since early evening, when a 10-foot
> diameter pipe bringing water to the Boston area sprang a leak and is dumping
> eight million gallons of water per hour into the Charles River. So along
> with 2 million or so other area residents who didn't get to the store early
> enough to grab some bottled stuff, I'm quenching my thirst with a
> substitute -- in my case, gin and tonic and yesterday's ice cubes.
>
> Felice

Oh Lawd! The sacrifices we make!


--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller
Updated 4-24-2010 with food story and pictures

Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>
> If you think it's not hot enough , turn it up.
> You already rely on your tap hot water to kill bacteria every day,
>in personal washing, laundry, housecleaning etc.

Never rely on domestic hot water to kill bacteria.

For domestic hot water to be hot enough to kill most bacteria it would
need to be hot enough to scald human skin. The typical hot water
heater is set no higher than 140ºF, much too hot for bathing without
mixing with cold yet won't kill many bacteria... during
bathing/washing it's the soap that kills bacteria... when laundering
with cold water it's the soap that kills bacteria. Anyone showering
with straight 140ºF water will if they're lucky end up in a critical
care burn unit, otherwise they'd be dead. Folks, especially those
with young children, or elderly at home, should install a temperature
limiting shower set... 115ºF is plenty hot enough for bathing, folks
who use saunas know this to be true. And anyway, you don't want to
kill/remove all the bacteria on your skin, most is beneficial for
protecting you. It's really healthiest to bathe with cool water, you
don't want to remove all the natural skin oils or all the bacteria...
just use mild quality soaps/shampoos and bathe often with cool water.

David Harmon wrote:
> On Sat, 1 May 2010 21:00:19 -0400 in rec.food.cooking, "Felice"
> > wrote,
>> We've been on a boil-water alert since early evening, when a 10-foot
>> diameter pipe bringing water to the Boston area sprang a leak and is dumping
>> eight million gallons of water per hour into the Charles River. So along
>> with 2 million or so other area residents who didn't get to the store early
>> enough to grab some bottled stuff,
>
> Meanwhile, down the road in Concord, water in plastic bottles is
> illegal.
> http://www.wickedlocal.com/concord/n...drinking-water
>
It WILL be illegal as of January 1, 2011. Otherwise, I'd have had
to go take a look. Seems to me I have seen it there.

--
Jean B.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Jean B." > wrote
>> I think I am more interested in my theory that if I don't drain any
>> water from the hot water heater, it may avoid contamination.
>>
>> Is hot tap water hot enough to kill bacteria? What temperature would
>> that have to be?
>
> Temperature has to be 140 to 160 for most. The water company will boost
> the chlorine for a time to flush the pipes along the way to your house.

Well, my theory is moot, since my daughter took a shower here.
So, one way or another, we need to make sure we are not incubating
anything nasty. I guess we will be told later on what to do. I
think someone said 158 degrees, but I didn't catch how long the
temp would have to be raised that high--and we wouldn't want to
risk scalding during that period.

--
Jean B.

Felice wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>> Felice wrote:
>>> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 2 May 2010 09:43:39 -0400, "Felice" >
>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Not over MY head! The g&t worked fine last night but now I have to
>>>>>> find a sub for my morning coffee, and I'm not sure Bloody Marys are
>>>>>> the answer.
>
>>>> Melt some more old ice cubes and make coffee with the result.
>>>>
>>>> gloria p
>
>>> Sheer genius, Gloria, sheer genius! I'm off to the kitchen to toss three
>>> trays of ice cubes into a pitcher. I WILL have coffee in the morning!
>>>
>>> BTW, that peach-flavored vitamin water I mentioned earlier is just awful.
>>>
>>> Felice
>
>> Felice... Do you really have NO water? Does your daughter have a car?
>>
>> Jean B.
>
> I do now, thanks, Jean. A six-pack of Poland Springs, courtesy of my
> building management, a whole lot of fruit juice, and some water I've been
> boiling for tooth-brushing. The catch is that I'm still using a walker and
> messin' around with boiling water is a bit dicey. However, Junior Daughter
> is on the alert for shipments to Shaw's and Senior Daughter will be hauling
> some in from Hingham.
>
> Sure makes one appreciate what we take for granted!
>
> Felice
>
>
I think you are near a Whole Foods? Tonight in Bedford there was
almost a full shelf of water.

Yes, I was thinking you might have trouble because of your recent
surgery. If you find yourself in extremis for some reason, keep
my offer in mind.

--
Jean B.

Pete C. wrote:
> "Jean B." wrote:
>> Dan Abel wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jean, if you have a hot shower, or draw piping hot bath/basin water
>>>> from the hot tap and let it cool, the heating of the water will
>>>> have killed any bacterial contamination.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portabl...cation#Boiling
>>>
>>> This does not sound like a good idea. Temperatures sufficient to kill
>>> the contaminants will also destroy your skin. The above cite says 70C
>>> (158F) for one half hour. Then you've got the contaminated water in
>>> your pipes. The warning notice on the side of my water heater says that
>>> 160F water will cause 2nd and 3rd degree burns on adult skin in .5
>>> seconds. If you let it cool to 150F, you get all of 1.5 seconds. I
>>> don't want 40 gallons of water sitting around that will burn people.
>>> The water heater is simply not designed for water heat treatment.
>>>
>>>> So will boiling your drinking
>>>> water. Use boiled water for cleaning teeth.
>>> This is a good idea.
>>>
>> I am wondering about the pipes. Even use of the toilets obviously
>> brings that water into the pipes.... So when one can use the tap
>> water again, I imagine one would have to somehow deal with that.
>> Shoulda just camped at the other house, I guess, although that
>> would be hard with the workers there wreaking havoc.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> For bathing, you can use the tap water to fill the bath tub and just add
> 1/4c of bleach to the full tub. It will certainly kill whatever
> contaminants may be in the untreated tap water. It's also not unusual or
> untested, it's used to treat recurrent staph infections. The residual
> chlorine in the city water will sanitize your plumbing once they get the
> water supply normalized, and they typically boost the chlorine level to
> the maximum "safe" level for a bit after such an event.

Thanks. I think I did read about that somewhere. I hope that
suffices for the hot water heater too.

--
Jean B.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message >
> from "Jean B." > contains these words:
>
>> Janet Baraclough wrote:
>>> The message >
>>> from "Jean B." > contains these words:
>>>
>>>> "During a boil order, can my family take showers or baths using
>>>> tap water?
>>>> "The risk of bathing in tap water is uncertain and so should be
>>>> avoided particularly by people with open wounds or who are
>>>> immunocompromised. For those people who choose to shower or bathe
>>>> in the tap water, minimize the time spent in the water and be sure
>>>> to keep your eyes and mouth closed. Babies and young children
>>>> should not bathe or shower in tap water because they often swallow
>>>> some water accidentally."
>>> Jean, if you have a hot shower, or draw piping hot bath/basin water
>>> from the hot tap and let it cool, the heating of the water will
>>> have killed any bacterial contamination. So will boiling your drinking
>>> water. Use boiled water for cleaning teeth.
>>>
>>>
>>> Janet
>
>> I think I am more interested in my theory that if I don't drain
>> any water from the hot water heater, it may avoid contamination.
>
>> Is hot tap water hot enough to kill bacteria? What temperature
>> would that have to be?
>
> The question is, how hot does the water get in your water heater. The
> answer to that is on its temperature gauge.
> If you think it's not hot enough , turn it up.
> You already rely on your tap hot water to kill bacteria every day,
> in personal washing, laundry, housecleaning etc.
>
> Our last place frequently ran out of water (for days or weeks) and we
> used river water ,
> or rainwater from grungy garden tanks, for washing clothes, dishes,
> vegetables, and people. I only boiled water for drinking and teeth
> cleaning (cooking killed bugs anyway) . Nobody ever got ill.
>
> Janet
>
>
Yes, we'd have to turn the temperature up--and then take care not
to be scalded. I guess we'll get directives about all of this.

It is kind-of odd, because frequently one might ingest a bit of
water if swimming in a pond (or elsewhere).

--
Jean B.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message >
> from "Jean B." > contains these words:
>
>> I haven't mastered the technique of using a container of water
>> when washing my hands. Obviously, that gets the container soapy.
>
> Put plug in the sink; pour in water from container, put down
> container, wash hands in sink. Take plug out.
>
> Janet

I need to think more of days of yore--when folks used a pitcher
and a wash basin.

--
Jean B.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>> If you think it's not hot enough , turn it up.
>> You already rely on your tap hot water to kill bacteria every day,
>> in personal washing, laundry, housecleaning etc.
>
> Never rely on domestic hot water to kill bacteria.
>
> For domestic hot water to be hot enough to kill most bacteria it would
> need to be hot enough to scald human skin. The typical hot water
> heater is set no higher than 140ºF, much too hot for bathing without
> mixing with cold yet won't kill many bacteria... during
> bathing/washing it's the soap that kills bacteria... when laundering
> with cold water it's the soap that kills bacteria. Anyone showering
> with straight 140ºF water will if they're lucky end up in a critical
> care burn unit, otherwise they'd be dead. Folks, especially those
> with young children, or elderly at home, should install a temperature
> limiting shower set... 115ºF is plenty hot enough for bathing, folks
> who use saunas know this to be true. And anyway, you don't want to
> kill/remove all the bacteria on your skin, most is beneficial for
> protecting you. It's really healthiest to bathe with cool water, you
> don't want to remove all the natural skin oils or all the bacteria...
> just use mild quality soaps/shampoos and bathe often with cool water.
>
NOW you tell me! <g> I love very hot showers!

--
Jean B.

In article >,
Janet Baraclough > wrote:

> The message >
> from "Jean B." > contains these words:

> > Is hot tap water hot enough to kill bacteria? What temperature
> > would that have to be?
>
> The question is, how hot does the water get in your water heater. The
> answer to that is on its temperature gauge.

I don't think they have those here in the US. It isn't hard to use an
instant read thermometer to measure the temperature of the water coming
out of the faucet, though.

> If you think it's not hot enough , turn it up.

Yup.

> You already rely on your tap hot water to kill bacteria every day,
> in personal washing, laundry, housecleaning etc.

Soap kills the germs, and washing removes them. The hot water makes the
soap work better.

The cite I gave earlier in the thread says you need a temperature of 70C
(158F) for 30 minutes to reliably kill germs. The warning instructions
on the side of my water heater say that it takes 1/2 second to cause 2nd
and 3rd degree burns on adult skin at 160F.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"Jean B." > wrote
>>
>> Meanwhile, down the road in Concord, water in plastic bottles is
>> illegal.
>> http://www.wickedlocal.com/concord/n...drinking-water
>>
> It WILL be illegal as of January 1, 2011. Otherwise, I'd have had to go
> take a look. Seems to me I have seen it there.
>
> --
> Jean B.

As part of the ban, they should install drinking fountains in convenient
locations. While I think bottled water for normal drinking at home is
silly, it is a handy source when travelling and tap water is not readily
available. The only thing these guys will accomplish is to have Concord
residents burn more gas going to the next town to buy their water.

On Mon, 03 May 2010 22:08:37 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

>brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>>> If you think it's not hot enough , turn it up.
>>> You already rely on your tap hot water to kill bacteria every day,
>>> in personal washing, laundry, housecleaning etc.
>>
>> Never rely on domestic hot water to kill bacteria.
>>
>> For domestic hot water to be hot enough to kill most bacteria it would
>> need to be hot enough to scald human skin. The typical hot water
>> heater is set no higher than 140ºF, much too hot for bathing without
>> mixing with cold yet won't kill many bacteria... during
>> bathing/washing it's the soap that kills bacteria... when laundering
>> with cold water it's the soap that kills bacteria. Anyone showering
>> with straight 140ºF water will if they're lucky end up in a critical
>> care burn unit, otherwise they'd be dead. Folks, especially those
>> with young children, or elderly at home, should install a temperature
>> limiting shower set... 115ºF is plenty hot enough for bathing, folks
>> who use saunas know this to be true. And anyway, you don't want to
>> kill/remove all the bacteria on your skin, most is beneficial for
>> protecting you. It's really healthiest to bathe with cool water, you
>> don't want to remove all the natural skin oils or all the bacteria...
>> just use mild quality soaps/shampoos and bathe often with cool water.
>>
>NOW you tell me! <g>

I don't see the humor, no burn victim would.

> I love very hot showers!

'Very hot" is not a temperature. I seriously doubt your very hot is
above 125ºF. If you regularly bathe with water as hot as you can
stand it you likely will have skin like a raisin/sandpaper.

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
>>
>>> Felice... Do you really have NO water? Does your daughter have a car?
>>>
>>> Jean B.
>>
>> I do now, thanks, Jean. A six-pack of Poland Springs, courtesy of my
>> building management, a whole lot of fruit juice, and some water I've been
>> boiling for tooth-brushing. The catch is that I'm still using a walker
>> and messin' around with boiling water is a bit dicey. However, Junior
>> Daughter is on the alert for shipments to Shaw's and Senior Daughter will
>> be hauling some in from Hingham.
>>
>> Sure makes one appreciate what we take for granted!
>>
>> Felice

> I think you are near a Whole Foods? Tonight in Bedford there was almost a
> full shelf of water.
>
> Yes, I was thinking you might have trouble because of your recent surgery.
> If you find yourself in extremis for some reason, keep my offer in mind.
>
> Jean B.

You are a dear, Jean! What with my gift Poland Springs and the daughters, I
was awash in water last night. And, of course, the boil order has been
lifted this morning. Thanks so much for thinking of me. As for the
recuperation, I've transtioned from walker to cane and am almost ready to
venture outside (OUTSIDE!) with my physical therapist. Whoopee!

Felice

On Mon, 3 May 2010 14:11:57 -0400, Felice wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> On Sun, 2 May 2010 17:15:56 -0400, Felice wrote:
>>
>>> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sat, 1 May 2010 21:00:19 -0400, Felice wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We've been on a boil-water alert since early evening, when a 10-foot
>>>>> diameter pipe bringing water to the Boston area sprang a leak and is
>>>>> dumping
>>>>> eight million gallons of water per hour into the Charles River. So
>>>>> along
>>>>> with 2 million or so other area residents who didn't get to the store
>>>>> early
>>>>> enough to grab some bottled stuff, I'm quenching my thirst with a
>>>>> substitute -- in my case, gin and tonic and yesterday's ice cubes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Felice
>>>>
>>>> god, i love you can-do pioneering-type women.
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> Water? We don't need no steenkin' water! But the Junior Daughter braved
>>> the
>>> hordes at Shaw's this morning and scored two bottles of peach-flavored
>>> vitamin water. Deargod, what is this world coming to?
>>>
>>> Felice
>>
>> i'd stick with the tonic for your gin.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> So now that I have a stash of Poland Springs, WTF do I do with
> peach-flavored vitamin water, give it to the philodendron?
>
> Felice

i'm sure it would make phil very healthy. slender, too!

your pal,
blake

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>
>> The message >
>> from "Jean B." > contains these words:
>
>>> Is hot tap water hot enough to kill bacteria? What temperature
>>> would that have to be?
>> The question is, how hot does the water get in your water heater. The
>> answer to that is on its temperature gauge.
>
> I don't think they have those here in the US. It isn't hard to use an
> instant read thermometer to measure the temperature of the water coming
> out of the faucet, though.
>
>> If you think it's not hot enough , turn it up.
>
> Yup.
>
>> You already rely on your tap hot water to kill bacteria every day,
>> in personal washing, laundry, housecleaning etc.
>
> Soap kills the germs, and washing removes them. The hot water makes the
> soap work better.
>
> The cite I gave earlier in the thread says you need a temperature of 70C
> (158F) for 30 minutes to reliably kill germs. The warning instructions
> on the side of my water heater say that it takes 1/2 second to cause 2nd
> and 3rd degree burns on adult skin at 160F.
>
Noted. I may try this when my daughter isn't home. BUT now I
gather they were treating the "pond water" after the first day, so
the fact that my daughter took a shower yesterday may not have led
to the contamination of the hot water heater.

The directions we got were to run the cold water for about a
minute--you know, until, the water changes temperature and is
coming from outside. We were supposed to run the hot water full
blast for 15-30 minutes, depending on the size of our hot water
heaters.

--
Jean B.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Jean B." > wrote
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, down the road in Concord, water in plastic bottles is
>>> illegal.
>>> http://www.wickedlocal.com/concord/n...drinking-water
>>>
>>>
>> It WILL be illegal as of January 1, 2011. Otherwise, I'd have had to
>> go take a look. Seems to me I have seen it there.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> As part of the ban, they should install drinking fountains in convenient
> locations. While I think bottled water for normal drinking at home is
> silly, it is a handy source when travelling and tap water is not readily
> available. The only thing these guys will accomplish is to have Concord
> residents burn more gas going to the next town to buy their water.
>
>
>
I have never experience such a thing before, but I found myself
wondering what would happen if this occurred again. Obviously, as
you say, residents would have to go farther afield to stock up.

--
Jean B.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2010 22:08:37 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>>>> If you think it's not hot enough , turn it up.
>>>> You already rely on your tap hot water to kill bacteria every day,
>>>> in personal washing, laundry, housecleaning etc.
>>> Never rely on domestic hot water to kill bacteria.
>>>
>>> For domestic hot water to be hot enough to kill most bacteria it would
>>> need to be hot enough to scald human skin. The typical hot water
>>> heater is set no higher than 140ºF, much too hot for bathing without
>>> mixing with cold yet won't kill many bacteria... during
>>> bathing/washing it's the soap that kills bacteria... when laundering
>>> with cold water it's the soap that kills bacteria. Anyone showering
>>> with straight 140ºF water will if they're lucky end up in a critical
>>> care burn unit, otherwise they'd be dead. Folks, especially those
>>> with young children, or elderly at home, should install a temperature
>>> limiting shower set... 115ºF is plenty hot enough for bathing, folks
>>> who use saunas know this to be true. And anyway, you don't want to
>>> kill/remove all the bacteria on your skin, most is beneficial for
>>> protecting you. It's really healthiest to bathe with cool water, you
>>> don't want to remove all the natural skin oils or all the bacteria...
>>> just use mild quality soaps/shampoos and bathe often with cool water.
>>>
>> NOW you tell me! <g>
>
> I don't see the humor, no burn victim would.
>
>> I love very hot showers!
>
> 'Very hot" is not a temperature. I seriously doubt your very hot is
> above 125ºF. If you regularly bathe with water as hot as you can
> stand it you likely will have skin like a raisin/sandpaper.

Here I attributed all skin aging to my early days as a sun worshipper!

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Jean B.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message >
> from "Jean B." > contains these words:
>
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "Jean B." > wrote
>>>> I think I am more interested in my theory that if I don't drain any
>>>> water from the hot water heater, it may avoid contamination.
>>>>
>>>> Is hot tap water hot enough to kill bacteria? What temperature would
>>>> that have to be?
>>> Temperature has to be 140 to 160 for most. The water company will boost
>>> the chlorine for a time to flush the pipes along the way to your house.
>
>> Well, my theory is moot, since my daughter took a shower here.
>> So, one way or another, we need to make sure we are not incubating
>> anything nasty. I guess we will be told later on what to do. I
>> think someone said 158 degrees, but I didn't catch how long the
>> temp would have to be raised that high--and we wouldn't want to
>> risk scalding during that period.
>
> You don't have to wash in scalding water. Let it cool first.
>
> Janet

Oh, of course.

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Jean B.

Felice wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>>>> Felice... Do you really have NO water? Does your daughter have a car?
>>>>
>>>> Jean B.
>>> I do now, thanks, Jean. A six-pack of Poland Springs, courtesy of my
>>> building management, a whole lot of fruit juice, and some water I've been
>>> boiling for tooth-brushing. The catch is that I'm still using a walker
>>> and messin' around with boiling water is a bit dicey. However, Junior
>>> Daughter is on the alert for shipments to Shaw's and Senior Daughter will
>>> be hauling some in from Hingham.
>>>
>>> Sure makes one appreciate what we take for granted!
>>>
>>> Felice
>
>> I think you are near a Whole Foods? Tonight in Bedford there was almost a
>> full shelf of water.
>>
>> Yes, I was thinking you might have trouble because of your recent surgery.
>> If you find yourself in extremis for some reason, keep my offer in mind.
>>
>> Jean B.
>
> You are a dear, Jean! What with my gift Poland Springs and the daughters, I
> was awash in water last night. And, of course, the boil order has been
> lifted this morning. Thanks so much for thinking of me. As for the
> recuperation, I've transtioned from walker to cane and am almost ready to
> venture outside (OUTSIDE!) with my physical therapist. Whoopee!
>
> Felice
>
>
That's great, Felice! And isn't it nice that we now can use tap
water?

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Jean B.