Om wrote:

>> Summer is coming on, and there will be the inevitable rash of kids who
>> die because their parents leave them in the car while they run into the
>> store for "just a few minutes." When confronted, some of those parents
>> will say, "You can't criticize me unless you have kids of your own."
>> That's logically IDENTICAL to the argument you're putting forth. I'm sure
>> that you already know that, and you're just trying to bait me. It's not
>> going to work. You have to give me a REAL reason to build the web site.
>
> Oh please...
>
> Bad parenting and responsibility for living humans (children) has Jack
> Schidt to do with owning a freakin' website!
>
> How dare you make that kind of comparison?

Oh please...

Posting to RFC has Jack Schidt to do with building a web site!
How dare you make that kind of comparison?

The analogy was to the LOGICAL FALLACY involved: "You can't criticize ____
unless you are in a proprietary situation for ____"

Your logic is simply wrong. And I'm sure that you KNOW that already; you're
just prolonging the discussion because you hope to bait me into building a
web site. Or maybe you're just enjoying the argument.

Bob

Andy wrote:

>>>>> Om... ever the diplomat!
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> no kidding. just the other day i saw her calling a bunch of people
>>>> 'fags.'
>>>>
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> Cite please?
>>> That one is not part of my vocabulary!
>>
>> blake was facetiously alluding to all the times that Andy has called
>> people "fags."
>
> You hired a think tank to figure that out for everybody?

I wasn't talking to you, fag.

Bob

On Sat, 8 May 2010 20:07:59 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Om wrote:
>
>>> Summer is coming on, and there will be the inevitable rash of kids who
>>> die because their parents leave them in the car while they run into the
>>> store for "just a few minutes." When confronted, some of those parents
>>> will say, "You can't criticize me unless you have kids of your own."
>>> That's logically IDENTICAL to the argument you're putting forth. I'm sure
>>> that you already know that, and you're just trying to bait me. It's not
>>> going to work. You have to give me a REAL reason to build the web site.
>>
>> Oh please...
>>
>> Bad parenting and responsibility for living humans (children) has Jack
>> Schidt to do with owning a freakin' website!
>>
>> How dare you make that kind of comparison?
>
>Oh please...
>
>Posting to RFC has Jack Schidt to do with building a web site!
>How dare you make that kind of comparison?
>
>The analogy was to the LOGICAL FALLACY involved: "You can't criticize ____
>unless you are in a proprietary situation for ____"
>
>Your logic is simply wrong. And I'm sure that you KNOW that already; you're
>just prolonging the discussion because you hope to bait me into building a
>web site. Or maybe you're just enjoying the argument.
>
>Bob

Admit it Bob you're a lazy *******

WTF wrote:

> Admit it Bob you're a lazy *******

I most certainly am NOT! My parents were MARRIED! :-)

Bob

"Omelet" schrieb :
> "Bob Terwilliger" wrote:
>
>> Om wrote:
>>
>> > Only the greater artisan has the right to criticize another.
>>
>> That's ridiculous. If that were the case, NOBODY would be able to
>> criticize
>> artwork, because every artist thinks his or her art is the greatest.
>>
>> Your thought-fu is weak today.
>>
>> Bob
>
> I still stand by that opinion.
> Put up or shut up.
>
> I have yet to see your "art" other than some really oddball recipes.
>
Oddball recipes ? <snort>
His recipes and menus are some of the best posts in this group.

> I see no pics. Did you actually make them or just imagine them?
>
Oh, a disciple of Sheldumb.

> I, at least, intend to make up a website (and currently have the Picasa
> albums) but I've not seen YOU do anything.
>
> Stu's website deserves some respect. It is a LOT of work to create and
> maintain something like that!
>
> If you are too lazy to do the same, then you lose your right to judge!

Following that line of argument, Sandra Lee deserves lots of respect
and isn't to be criticized because noone here has a cooking show ...

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> Om wrote:
>
> >> > Om... ever the diplomat!
> >> >
> >> > Andy
> >>
> >> no kidding. just the other day i saw her calling a bunch of people
> >> 'fags.'
> >>
> >> blake
> >
> > Cite please?
> > That one is not part of my vocabulary!
>
> blake was facetiously alluding to all the times that Andy has called people
> "fags."
>
> Bob

Ah, ok.
I've had Andy killfiled for months and no longer read him.
--
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Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> Om wrote:
>
> >> Summer is coming on, and there will be the inevitable rash of kids who
> >> die because their parents leave them in the car while they run into the
> >> store for "just a few minutes." When confronted, some of those parents
> >> will say, "You can't criticize me unless you have kids of your own."
> >> That's logically IDENTICAL to the argument you're putting forth. I'm sure
> >> that you already know that, and you're just trying to bait me. It's not
> >> going to work. You have to give me a REAL reason to build the web site.
> >
> > Oh please...
> >
> > Bad parenting and responsibility for living humans (children) has Jack
> > Schidt to do with owning a freakin' website!
> >
> > How dare you make that kind of comparison?
>
> Oh please...
>
> Posting to RFC has Jack Schidt to do with building a web site!
> How dare you make that kind of comparison?
>
> The analogy was to the LOGICAL FALLACY involved: "You can't criticize ____
> unless you are in a proprietary situation for ____"
>
> Your logic is simply wrong. And I'm sure that you KNOW that already; you're
> just prolonging the discussion because you hope to bait me into building a
> web site. Or maybe you're just enjoying the argument.
>
> Bob

Or maybe a bit of both. ;-)
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> Om wrote:
>
> >> Summer is coming on, and there will be the inevitable rash of kids who
> >> die because their parents leave them in the car while they run into the
> >> store for "just a few minutes." When confronted, some of those parents
> >> will say, "You can't criticize me unless you have kids of your own."
> >> That's logically IDENTICAL to the argument you're putting forth. I'm sure
> >> that you already know that, and you're just trying to bait me. It's not
> >> going to work. You have to give me a REAL reason to build the web site.
> >
> > Oh please...
> >
> > Bad parenting and responsibility for living humans (children) has Jack
> > Schidt to do with owning a freakin' website!
> >
> > How dare you make that kind of comparison?
>
> Oh please...
>
> Posting to RFC has Jack Schidt to do with building a web site!
> How dare you make that kind of comparison?
>
> The analogy was to the LOGICAL FALLACY involved: "You can't criticize ____
> unless you are in a proprietary situation for ____"
>
> Your logic is simply wrong. And I'm sure that you KNOW that already; you're
> just prolonging the discussion because you hope to bait me into building a
> web site. Or maybe you're just enjoying the argument.
>
> Bob

Ps, you have the materials (including photos) to make a lovely website.
I dare you to try it!
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

In article >,
WTF > wrote:

> On Sat, 8 May 2010 20:07:59 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > wrote:
>
> >Om wrote:
> >
> >>> Summer is coming on, and there will be the inevitable rash of kids who
> >>> die because their parents leave them in the car while they run into the
> >>> store for "just a few minutes." When confronted, some of those parents
> >>> will say, "You can't criticize me unless you have kids of your own."
> >>> That's logically IDENTICAL to the argument you're putting forth. I'm sure
> >>> that you already know that, and you're just trying to bait me. It's not
> >>> going to work. You have to give me a REAL reason to build the web site.
> >>
> >> Oh please...
> >>
> >> Bad parenting and responsibility for living humans (children) has Jack
> >> Schidt to do with owning a freakin' website!
> >>
> >> How dare you make that kind of comparison?
> >
> >Oh please...
> >
> >Posting to RFC has Jack Schidt to do with building a web site!
> >How dare you make that kind of comparison?
> >
> >The analogy was to the LOGICAL FALLACY involved: "You can't criticize ____
> >unless you are in a proprietary situation for ____"
> >
> >Your logic is simply wrong. And I'm sure that you KNOW that already; you're
> >just prolonging the discussion because you hope to bait me into building a
> >web site. Or maybe you're just enjoying the argument.
> >
> >Bob
>
> Admit it Bob you're a lazy *******

<lol>
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

In article >,
"Michael Kuettner" > wrote:

> "Omelet" schrieb :
> > "Bob Terwilliger" wrote:
> >
> >> Om wrote:
> >>
> >> > Only the greater artisan has the right to criticize another.
> >>
> >> That's ridiculous. If that were the case, NOBODY would be able to
> >> criticize
> >> artwork, because every artist thinks his or her art is the greatest.
> >>
> >> Your thought-fu is weak today.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >
> > I still stand by that opinion.
> > Put up or shut up.
> >
> > I have yet to see your "art" other than some really oddball recipes.
> >
> Oddball recipes ? <snort>
> His recipes and menus are some of the best posts in this group.
>
> > I see no pics. Did you actually make them or just imagine them?
> >
> Oh, a disciple of Sheldumb.
>
> > I, at least, intend to make up a website (and currently have the Picasa
> > albums) but I've not seen YOU do anything.
> >
> > Stu's website deserves some respect. It is a LOT of work to create and
> > maintain something like that!
> >
> > If you are too lazy to do the same, then you lose your right to judge!
>
> Following that line of argument, Sandra Lee deserves lots of respect
> and isn't to be criticized because noone here has a cooking show ...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael Kuettner

You may note that I've never joined in on the critiques of cooking
shows. <g>

I quit watching TV about 8 years ago...
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

"Artistic Taste" wrote
> Hi Ginny,

> I am currently on Jenny Craig to lose 10lbs that have been impossible to
> lose, and the style of the diet is truly amazing. It is the first diet
> I've tried where I have a consultant and the food is actually good. I am

I've heard they were good! Me, I just cut back on the carbs a bit when I
need to trim back what gathers in winter. I typically gain 5-6 over winter
and it falls off pretty naturally come spring/early summer.

In article >,
"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:
> >
> >> Okay, who here has tried this program? NutraSystem? Jenny Craig? What are
> >> the pros and cons.......
> >> -ginny
> >
> > What does your doc recommend? Look into the National Institutes of
> > Health site. There are lots of sane eating plans; maintaining will only
> > come with exercise combined with sensible eating.

> The doctor, a little Asian girl, said 'you gettin' fat, go on diet'....I
> asked 'what diet' and she gave me the number of a nutritionist who, for an
> astronomical fee would 'pattern a diet' for me, blah blah blah. Wanna lose
> some weight so my feet and knees don't completely rebel.
> -ginny
> (who remembers the 140lb. bride that is buried underneath all of this)....

Understood.
So, did you look at the NIH site?
http://health.nih.gov/topic/WeightLo...nandMetabolism
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/publ...e_wt/index.htm
http://hp2010.nhlbihin.net/menuplanner/menu.cgi


--
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Updated 4-24-2010 with food story and pictures

"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, who here has tried this program? NutraSystem? Jenny Craig? What are
> the pros and cons.......

my problem with weight watchers clubs is that failure is the programme

otherwise you lose your circle of fat friends!

--
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"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, who here has tried this program? NutraSystem? Jenny Craig? What are
> the pros and cons.......
> -ginny
>

I have loosely followed the WW diet and like it better than the others
mentioned as you use real food. I think if you have to use foods that are
prepared, as soon as you go off it, you revert back to what you were doing
prior. With WW, eating real food, you can determine what to eat to lose and
what makes you gain big time. You can adjust your menus around this
knowledge. I say I followed it loosely as I used the 50 cal mark as 1 point
and didn't bother with a complete formula to get my points. I figured out
how many points I was to eat and went from there. http://www.dwlz.com/
Dotties Weight Loss Zone pretty much gives you alot of info for the point
system including restaurant meal points.

Debbie

Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>South Beach works for a lot of people. But with all of them, you have to
>stick with it and not stray. That's the hard part.

The reason we all stray is culture. No culture eats along scientific lines;
cultures develop cuisines based on food availability, climate and aesthetic
preferences. All these diets expect people to eat in a disembodied, acultural
way that rubs up against any real culture upon intersection. That's why when
I'm on the first two phases of South Beach, I can hardly go out to eat with
anyone who eats along cultural lines because I'll feel deprived if I don't have
something like what they're having. Now, some people get on the scientific
bandwagon and stop caring about culture. They're so high on losing weight and
not feeling horrible anymore that they become zealots against supposedly toxic
foods. I'd rather lose less weight and understand that some of my most
cherished and pleasurable culinary moments are entirely cultural and not
entirely healthy for me.

Orlando

In article >,
Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:

> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> >South Beach works for a lot of people. But with all of them, you have to
> >stick with it and not stray. That's the hard part.
>
> The reason we all stray is culture. No culture eats along scientific lines;
> cultures develop cuisines based on food availability, climate and aesthetic
> preferences. All these diets expect people to eat in a disembodied, acultural
> way that rubs up against any real culture upon intersection. That's why when
> I'm on the first two phases of South Beach, I can hardly go out to eat with
> anyone who eats along cultural lines because I'll feel deprived if I don't
> have
> something like what they're having. Now, some people get on the scientific
> bandwagon and stop caring about culture. They're so high on losing weight and
> not feeling horrible anymore that they become zealots against supposedly
> toxic
> foods. I'd rather lose less weight and understand that some of my most
> cherished and pleasurable culinary moments are entirely cultural and not
> entirely healthy for me.
>
> Orlando

Part of the reason I eat a somewhat restricted diet is that I get tired
of eating making me feel like hell. The pleasure in flavors and textures
are not worth the gastrointestinal distress it causes.

I try to walk a middle line. There are plenty of foods that I CAN eat
that don't make me sick that I still find pleasurable.

It's a balancing act.
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

On Sun, 9 May 2010 19:15:49 -0700 (PDT), Food Snob® wrote:

> He called me a ''Mook'' too, Steve. It's his new little name-calling
> word. Stu is like a grade school kid, both with his insults, and with
> his spelling and punctuation.
>
> Wait, my second grade son is better than he is at punctuation.

A Mook? Wow, I'm flattered. I have no idea what that means nor do
I care. But it can only be a compliment coming from a dumbass.

Note to stewed: You can have the last word. Not that I'll see it,
but go ahead.

-sw

On Sat, 08 May 2010 20:32:33 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 08 May 2010 05:53:59 -0500, Andy wrote:
>>
>>> Omelet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PVC wrote about Bryan's criticism of Stu's shitty site:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Why are you so worried about it? I agree, the website is crapola,
>>>>> > but really, why do you care so much?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it's because some posters here (Om, for example) seem to think
>>>>> that Stu's site is a valuable repository of culinary treasure, rather
>>>>> than the giant steaming pile of shit that it actually is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> That is because Om knows how to pick her own ingredients and knows how
>>>> to cook, and Stu's site has a lot of valuable and interesting ideas...
>>>> especially the video recipe of the week (my personal favorite
>>>> feature),
>>>>
>>>> and I don't see YOU building your own cooking website.
>>>>
>>>> Put up or shut up.
>>>
>>> Om... ever the diplomat!
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> no kidding. just the other day i saw her calling a bunch of people 'fags.'
>>
>> blake
>
> Cite please?
> That one is not part of my vocabulary!

'twas a joke, honey.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 09 May 2010 07:50:36 -0500, Andy wrote:

> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>
>> Andy wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Om... ever the diplomat!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no kidding. just the other day i saw her calling a bunch of people
>>>>>> 'fags.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> blake
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite please?
>>>>> That one is not part of my vocabulary!
>>>>
>>>> blake was facetiously alluding to all the times that Andy has called
>>>> people "fags."
>>>
>>> You hired a think tank to figure that out for everybody?
>>
>> I wasn't talking to you, fag.
>>
>> Bob
>
> HA!!!
>
> I haven't called anyone a fag in quite some time.
>

yeah, it must have been days since the last time.

blake

On Sun, 09 May 2010 10:02:12 -0500, Andy wrote:

> And I might add...
>
> The trouble with you and others is, you want to convince a world population
> via Usenet to take your side, as if you know better than the rest I get
> faulted from what, 25 members like you?
>
> HA!!! Big deal.
>
> Andy

is there an english speaker here who can translate this?

blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> >>> Om... ever the diplomat!
> >>>
> >>> Andy
> >>
> >> no kidding. just the other day i saw her calling a bunch of people 'fags.'
> >>
> >> blake
> >
> > Cite please?
> > That one is not part of my vocabulary!
>
> 'twas a joke, honey.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Thanks. Apologies for the paranoia. ;-)
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

On May 7, 4:53*pm, "Jinx Minx" > wrote:
> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Okay, who here has tried this program? NutraSystem? Jenny Craig? What are
> > the pros and cons.......
> > -ginny
>
> Stick with the Weight Watchers. *It's the cheapest option overall
> (significantly!!), and it teaches you how to read food labels and make
> better food choices (as well as portion control). *

Or stop eating carbohydrates. Ketogenic diets burn fat, including
your own.
>
> Jinx

--Bryan

Omelet wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> >>> Om... ever the diplomat!
>> >>>
>> >>> Andy
>> >>
>> >> no kidding. just the other day i saw her calling a bunch of people 'fags.'
>> >>
>> >> blake
>> >
>> > Cite please?
>> > That one is not part of my vocabulary!
>>
>> 'twas a joke, honey.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>Thanks. Apologies for the paranoia. ;-)

Why apologize, that just drags it out, draws more attention, and adds
a negative connotation where none existed... they're fags... why not
call something what it is? I really don't want to know anyones sexual
orientation on a cooking group but if folks insist on coming out of
their closets here and announce their oddness/queerness/fruitiness (OB
food) then they are fags... there is nothing negative about the term
fag until folks complain about it... it's only the complaining that's
negative. It's not possible for the term fag to be negative or the
fags wouldn't announce that they're fags... and no one here would know
except that the fags are so proud of their faggotness that they need
to advertize the fact... it's like the mick, all those years I never
knew the mick had no legs, and I really didn't need to know, I just
thought of the mick as a skinny vulva faced Irish person... but he is
so proud of his legglessness that he felt compelled to announce his
oddity on a cooking group, so when folks tease him he has no bitch...
he himself gave up his right to throw stones when he lives in a glass
house. I think *** has more negative connotation than fag... to me
*** conjures up the image of a lip wristed flaming lisper... growing
up to me a fag was a smoke.... I'm sure there were plenty of old, now
edited, flicks where say the Rat Pack asked could they bum a fag...
"bum a fag"... ahahahahaha... so, Om... when are all those rfc'ers who
enjoy receiving anal sex gonna announce... are you gonna appologize
for their proclivity... any special foods they enjoy that you're gonna
prepare to assauge their, um irritatedness? LOL

http://southernfood.about.com/od/cho...s/r/bln414.htm

On Tue, 11 May 2010 04:34:29 -0700 (PDT), Food Snob®
> wrote:

>On May 7, 4:53*pm, "Jinx Minx" > wrote:
>> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > Okay, who here has tried this program? NutraSystem? Jenny Craig? What are
>> > the pros and cons.......
>> > -ginny
>>
>> Stick with the Weight Watchers. *It's the cheapest option overall
>> (significantly!!), and it teaches you how to read food labels and make
>> better food choices (as well as portion control). *
>
>Or stop eating carbohydrates. Ketogenic diets burn fat, including
>your own.

What a crock of shit... if folks would get up off their fat butts,
stay away from the kitchen, and move around some so that they actually
sweat they'd be able to eat pretty much whatever and wouldn't be
forever searching for that elusive fountain of slimness. There is no
fercocktah diet that can rationalize away lazyassedness. Obeastiness
is epidemic today because when folks ain't sleeping they're on their
butts eating... there is no way to rationalize that sitting at a desk
is work... at best all that means is that they're not in bed asleep...
even asleep is better than at a desk, at least when you're asleep ya
not stuffing yer fat gut.

On Mon, 10 May 2010 22:28:55 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>>>>> Om... ever the diplomat!
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> no kidding. just the other day i saw her calling a bunch of people 'fags.'
>>>>
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> Cite please?
>>> That one is not part of my vocabulary!
>>
>> 'twas a joke, honey.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Thanks. Apologies for the paranoia. ;-)

no sweat.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:

> Okay, who here has tried this program? NutraSystem? Jenny Craig? What are
> the pros and cons.......
> -ginny

In my opinion, all the major weight loss programs have some merits. I
don't recall where I saw this, but it might have been Consumer Reports,
where I read a report that said that most weight loss programs fail, but
that Weight Watchers is the most effective because it teaches a
lifestyle of healthy living, not just a transitory diet program.

I was on Weight Watchers for about two years. My biggest problem with WW
is that you really need to go to the weekly meetings and I simply don't
have time to do that between work, graduate school, etc. If you go to
the weekly meetings and follow their advise, you will likely lose weight.

In article >,
Omelet > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>
> > Om wrote:
> >
> > > and I don't see YOU building your own cooking website.
> > >
> > > Put up or shut up.
> >
> > That's a weak ****ing argument and you know it. I don't have to craft a
> > masterpiece in order to recognize crap.

> Yes, you do.
> Otherwise you have no real basis for comparison.
>
> I repeat, put up or shut up.
>
> Only the greater artisan has the right to criticize another.
>
> I seriously dare you to put up a cooking site. ;-)

Sorry, Om, I have to agree with Bob. It's a weak argument. Otherwise,
I'd have to reject your own praise of Stu's site. How could you know it
was a good site unless you have also put up a great masterpiece?

Of course, if Bob didn't know how to boil water and criticized Stu for
claiming that water boils at 100 degrees, that would be something else.

:-)

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:

> Okay, who here has tried this program? NutraSystem? Jenny Craig? What are
> the pros and cons.......
> -ginny

I've been out of town for a couple of weeks, and just got back. Before
I replied, I thought I'd read all the 84 responses to date. Now I'm
hungry, even though I just ate!

I stayed with my sister, who was on WW. She lost a lot of weight, but
was getting discouraged, because she didn't know where to go from there.
So, my advice is, before you join a program, figure out how to get out
of it. After all, you are hopefully looking for a permanent change, not
just to lose 50 pounds in a year and then gain it all back in the next
year! Diets where the program sells you the food don't sound good to
me. How do you finish them and transfer to a maintenance diet? How do
you learn about the maintenance diet? WW is good because they use
regular food and you learn about what's in the food, which will help in
the transfer. Still, WW is a business and they would like your money.

My sister wanted to start some fad diet. HCG. Some "magic" drops that
"burn" the fat. I did not give her any encouragement. If there was any
magic weight loss, everybody would be doing it.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel > wrote in
.
au:

> WW is good because they use
> regular food and you learn about what's in the food, which
> will help in the transfer. Still, WW is a business and they
> would like your money.

My experience with WW is that they are intransigeant for the
current mode of dieting. On an old incarnation of the diet, you
had to eat seven slices of white sliced bread a day. You are
encouraged to buy ready-made bread, not to make your own.

More recently, I asked about rice and got blank stares. So I
pressed on...what about Asian dieters for whom rice, not bread,
is a staple? I got the distinct impression the moderator was not
prepared for that question and so she replied: "Well, they have
to stick to the diet."

Of course one has to keep in mind these are volunteers, former
Big Losers who spend their lunch hours coaxing wannabe losers.
they're trained to answer one set of questions: "Why can't I use
X anymore?" and "Does that mean I have to give up my afternoon
Y?"

Just so you don't think I'm just a disgruntled former "loser", I
did get to my goal weight and have been a member of Weight
Watchers since 1973, now a lifetime member.

--

"When a government starts to cancel dissent or avoid dissent
is frankly when it's rapidly losing its moral authority to
govern."

Stephen Harper, 18 April 2005

On Wed, 26 May 2010 11:54:10 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

..
>Just move to Petaluma, like I did. We are at 10 feet above sea level,
>from what I read. No adjustments needed.

Actually, if and when I get back to the bay area and find a permanent
job, that is one of the places I am considering... Depending on
where the job is, of course.

Christine

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> Omelet > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
> >
> > > Om wrote:
> > >
> > > > and I don't see YOU building your own cooking website.
> > > >
> > > > Put up or shut up.
> > >
> > > That's a weak ****ing argument and you know it. I don't have to craft a
> > > masterpiece in order to recognize crap.
>
> > Yes, you do.
> > Otherwise you have no real basis for comparison.
> >
> > I repeat, put up or shut up.
> >
> > Only the greater artisan has the right to criticize another.
> >
> > I seriously dare you to put up a cooking site. ;-)
>
> Sorry, Om, I have to agree with Bob. It's a weak argument. Otherwise,
> I'd have to reject your own praise of Stu's site. How could you know it
> was a good site unless you have also put up a great masterpiece?

Hey! Have you never followed my sig link? <g>
There are recipes posted with many of the food pics. And the pics are of
my own cooking.

>
> Of course, if Bob didn't know how to boil water and criticized Stu for
> claiming that water boils at 100 degrees, that would be something else.
>
> :-)

I just don't really understand why Bob feels he has to attack Stu's
website at all. The attacks have no merit! Some of the off the wall
ingredients in some recipes are intended for specialized diets. He does
not seem to understand that not everybody is able to eat heavy cream or
real butter. Substitutions are a good thing for some dietary
requirements and I think it's cool that Stu' has listed how they can be
used and the amounts.

Personally, I avoid sugar and cut back on fat so I can see the value in
using artificial sweetner (I use quite a bit of Splenda) and fat free
non-dairy creamer or fat free cool whip in some recipes.

Just because Bob is clu'less...
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

Omelet wrote:
>
> I just don't really understand why Bob feels he has to attack Stu's
> website at all. The attacks have no merit! Some of the off the wall
> ingredients in some recipes are intended for specialized diets. He does
> not seem to understand that not everybody is able to eat heavy cream or
> real butter. Substitutions are a good thing for some dietary
> requirements and I think it's cool that Stu' has listed how they can be
> used and the amounts.

Don't forget the stolen recipes with attribution
to the original authors stripped off. That's
the worst part, to anybody that care about the
rights of authors.

In article >,
Omelet > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Dan Abel > wrote:

> > Sorry, Om, I have to agree with Bob. It's a weak argument. Otherwise,
> > I'd have to reject your own praise of Stu's site. How could you know it
> > was a good site unless you have also put up a great masterpiece?
>
> Hey! Have you never followed my sig link? <g>
> There are recipes posted with many of the food pics. And the pics are of
> my own cooking.

I have looked at your pictures, and read your recipes. They are very
nice and I certainly appreciate them.


I have deleted the rest of the post. Perhaps Bob is a bit harsh in his
criticisms, but I've noticed that he is often correct.

Stu does not take harsh criticism well, but then, who does? I certainly
don't.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > I just don't really understand why Bob feels he has to attack Stu's
> > website at all. The attacks have no merit! Some of the off the wall
> > ingredients in some recipes are intended for specialized diets. He does
> > not seem to understand that not everybody is able to eat heavy cream or
> > real butter. Substitutions are a good thing for some dietary
> > requirements and I think it's cool that Stu' has listed how they can be
> > used and the amounts.
>
> Don't forget the stolen recipes with attribution
> to the original authors stripped off. That's
> the worst part, to anybody that care about the
> rights of authors.

Mark, are there really any "original" recipes left in the world? ;-)
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> Omelet > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> > > Sorry, Om, I have to agree with Bob. It's a weak argument. Otherwise,
> > > I'd have to reject your own praise of Stu's site. How could you know it
> > > was a good site unless you have also put up a great masterpiece?
> >
> > Hey! Have you never followed my sig link? <g>
> > There are recipes posted with many of the food pics. And the pics are of
> > my own cooking.
>
> I have looked at your pictures, and read your recipes. They are very
> nice and I certainly appreciate them.

Thank you. :-)
I actually do intend to eventually build a cooking website and post
links if and when I use any "gizmos" to cook. I want to do an egg
series with those wonderful microwave egg cookers I bought. I truly do
like them! If others can find the links and recipes useful...
>
> I have deleted the rest of the post. Perhaps Bob is a bit harsh in his
> criticisms, but I've noticed that he is often correct.
>
> Stu does not take harsh criticism well, but then, who does? I certainly
> don't.

Especially when accused of child rape... :-(
Bob really crossed the line with that one and totally detracted from his
criticism of the website. He could benefit from being more constructive
than destructive!
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

On 5/26/2010 4:16 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> Mark > wrote:
>
>> Don't forget the stolen recipes with attribution
>> to the original authors stripped off. That's
>> the worst part, to anybody that care about the
>> rights of authors.
>>
> Mark, are there really any "original" recipes left in the world? ;-)
>

It's like music, all the notes are the same, it is just how you arrange
them.

Becca

In article >, Becca >
wrote:

> On 5/26/2010 4:16 PM, Omelet wrote:
> > In >,

> > Mark, are there really any "original" recipes left in the world? ;-)
> >
>
> It's like music, all the notes are the same, it is just how you arrange
> them.

Sort of like human bodies. The parts are basically the same, it's just
how they are arranged?

:-)

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA