On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:31:03 -0400, "Cheryl" >
wrote:

> I liked it! I have a neighbor who still hang dries everything. I would,
> but I can't stand bugs and don't want to be surprised by one hidden when
> brought inside.

Do what someone here on rfc does... hang them in the garage with the
door closed.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Fri, 14 May 2010 06:40:06 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:31:03 -0400, "Cheryl" >
>wrote:
>
>> I liked it! I have a neighbor who still hang dries everything. I would,
>> but I can't stand bugs and don't want to be surprised by one hidden when
>> brought inside.
>
>Do what someone here on rfc does... hang them in the garage with the
>door closed.

The whole point of hanging clothes on a line, AFAICS, is to get the
fresh air, sunshiney smell on sheets and towels. I'm pretty much
sneaking stuff dry on a retractable line b/c my HOA frowns upon
clothes lines.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...ever the scofflaw

--

"If the soup had been as warm as the wine,
if the wine had been as old as the turkey,
and if the turkey had had a breast like the maid,
it would have been a swell dinner." Duncan Hines


To reply, remove "spambot" and replace it with "cox"

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

> The whole point of hanging clothes on a line, AFAICS, is to get the
> fresh air, sunshiney smell on sheets and towels. I'm pretty much
> sneaking stuff dry on a retractable line b/c my HOA frowns upon
> clothes lines.

Before we had electricity it was the only way to dry the laundry. I hang
my laundry because I like the results and to save on energy.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
.com...
> Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>
>> The whole point of hanging clothes on a line, AFAICS, is to get the
>> fresh air, sunshiney smell on sheets and towels. I'm pretty much
>> sneaking stuff dry on a retractable line b/c my HOA frowns upon
>> clothes lines.
>
> Before we had electricity it was the only way to dry the laundry. I hang
> my laundry because I like the results and to save on energy.

It was "Green" and "Solar Powered" before anyone knew these terms.

Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:

>The whole point of hanging clothes on a line, AFAICS, is to get the
>fresh air, sunshiney smell on sheets and towels.

I do it for that reason, but also to save money and conserve
energy. Buying and putting in a dryer, including installing a new
220V circuit, would cost me about $1600, and then would add to my
electric bills. I have not wanted to cough that up. I can
also feel good about conserving energy.

Another reason is that clothes last longer and, in most cases,
look better for longer if you don't dry them. So it also saves
money on clothing.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
> Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
>
>> The whole point of hanging clothes on a line, AFAICS, is to get the
>> fresh air, sunshiney smell on sheets and towels.
>
> I do it for that reason, but also to save money and conserve
> energy. Buying and putting in a dryer, including installing a new
> 220V circuit, would cost me about $1600, and then would add to my
> electric bills. I have not wanted to cough that up. I can
> also feel good about conserving energy.
>
> Another reason is that clothes last longer and, in most cases,
> look better for longer if you don't dry them. So it also saves
> money on clothing.
>
> Steve

And what I used to love was a warm, windy day. I then yelled,
"Blanket Day", since wool blankets then dried soft and fluffy.

On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:39:08 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
>
>>The whole point of hanging clothes on a line, AFAICS, is to get the
>>fresh air, sunshiney smell on sheets and towels.
>
>I do it for that reason, but also to save money and conserve
>energy. Buying and putting in a dryer, including installing a new
>220V circuit, would cost me about $1600, and then would add to my
>electric bills. I have not wanted to cough that up. I can
>also feel good about conserving energy.
>
>Another reason is that clothes last longer and, in most cases,
>look better for longer if you don't dry them. So it also saves
>money on clothing.

That part is not true... UV destroys clothing.

The electric consumed to dry clothes is far less than cooking with an
electric stove.

The few pennies added to the electric bill to use a clothes dryer is
miniscule compared with the time wasted hanging and unhanging.

Modern clothes driers are extremely efficient, there is no benefit to
hanging clothes, NONE!

On 2010-05-17, brooklyn1 > wrote:

> The electric consumed to dry clothes is far less than cooking with an
> electric stove.

I'd question that. Not only does an electric dryer drive a heating
element much like a stove, but electric motors are also huge energy
sucks.

nb

brooklyn1 > wrote:

>On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:39:08 +0000 (UTC),

>>Another reason is that clothes last longer and, in most cases,
>>look better for longer if you don't dry them. So it also saves
>>money on clothing.

>That part is not true... UV destroys clothing.

This is a valid point; UV destroys some clothing, such as
polyester. But not cotton, and nearly all of my clothing is
100% cotton.

(I do not however dry brighly-colored stuff outside; have
an indoor drying setup for that.)

>Modern clothes driers are extremely efficient, there is no benefit to
>hanging clothes, NONE!

Okay if you say so.

Steve

On Mon, 17 May 2010 22:19:21 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2010-05-17, brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
>> The electric consumed to dry clothes is far less than cooking with an
>> electric stove.
>
>I'd question that. Not only does an electric dryer drive a heating
>element much like a stove, but electric motors are also huge energy
>sucks.

Not to mention there's a fan blowing the heated steamy air out a vent.
shemp's been sucking on the vent it seems.

Lou

Steve Pope wrote:
> brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:39:08 +0000 (UTC),
>
>>> Another reason is that clothes last longer and, in most cases,
>>> look better for longer if you don't dry them. So it also saves
>>> money on clothing.
>
>> That part is not true... UV destroys clothing.
>
> This is a valid point; UV destroys some clothing, such as
> polyester. But not cotton, and nearly all of my clothing is
> 100% cotton.

What about all that material that ends up on lint traps. It is the
fabric lost in from the heat and tumbling of the dryer. FWIW, my brother
has had electric and gas dryers and claims there is a lot less lint with
gas. I have been air drying our laundry for years and I would suggest
that I have less wear on my clothes from air drying than from the dryer.

> (I do not however dry brighly-colored stuff outside; have
> an indoor drying setup for that.)
>
>> Modern clothes driers are extremely efficient, there is no benefit to
>> hanging clothes, NONE!
>
> Okay if you say so.

Modern dryers are a lot more efficient than older dryers. They still use
energy, and their ratings are in terms of energy use per hour, not in
the energy used to dry a set amount of laundry. Hanging laundry to dry
uses only the manual effort to get the stuff out to the line, hung and
brought it. There is no gas or electrical energy consumed.

brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:39:08 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
> >Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
> >
> >>The whole point of hanging clothes on a line, AFAICS, is to get the
> >>fresh air, sunshiney smell on sheets and towels.
> >
> >I do it for that reason, but also to save money and conserve
> >energy. Buying and putting in a dryer, including installing a new
> >220V circuit, would cost me about $1600, and then would add to my
> >electric bills. I have not wanted to cough that up. I can
> >also feel good about conserving energy.
> >
> >Another reason is that clothes last longer and, in most cases,
> >look better for longer if you don't dry them. So it also saves
> >money on clothing.
>
> That part is not true... UV destroys clothing.
>
> The electric consumed to dry clothes is far less than cooking with an
> electric stove.
>
> The few pennies added to the electric bill to use a clothes dryer is
> miniscule compared with the time wasted hanging and unhanging.
>
> Modern clothes driers are extremely efficient, there is no benefit to
> hanging clothes, NONE!

A few points:

UV light will and does destroy the colors and fibers for many things, so
Sheldon does get a point there for being 'correct'! Sunlight bleaches
and fades many fabrics of their colors and leeches their 'strength'. I
wonder if Sheldon keeps his shutters and shades pulled all the time at
his home to prevent UV damage???

In the USA, a clothing dryer and an electric stove both (usually) use
220V outlets -- so anytime a stove is used, it consumes double the 110V
power (hey, I'm no electrical engineer, but I know a few!). Typically,
it takes less time to cook a dinner than it does to dry a full-load
clothing Not to mention - a load of light clothing vs. a load of
heavy stuff (say, towels and wash cloths) makes a difference in
time-to-dry, too.

"NOT" using an electric dryer is much friendlier for clothing -- all
that tumbling can do a lot of wear & tear on the fibers.

There are benefits to 'not' using a dryer - no electricity used and a
lower power/utility bill! DUH!

Line drying definitely saves a lot of money!!! How do I know - I blame
sf <VBG>? I've seen my electric bill drastically reduced when my
'dryer' failed and had to use the 'line dry' method instead. BTW, I
know I've saved a good $30++/month by NOT using my clothes dryer! So
those 'pennies' Sheldon mentioned surely do add up ;D And I still 'line
dry' to this day - except for dead-cold winter - then it's just not
worth it! <G>

Sky, who goes out into her garage to hang out another load of laundry to
dry

P.S. I didn't intend to be so redundant !!

--
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Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

On 5/17/2010 3:28 PM, Sky wrote:

> In the USA, a clothing dryer and an electric stove both (usually) use
> 220V outlets -- so anytime a stove is used, it consumes double the 110V
> power (hey, I'm no electrical engineer, but I know a few!). Typically,
> it takes less time to cook a dinner than it does to dry a full-load
> clothing Not to mention - a load of light clothing vs. a load of
> heavy stuff (say, towels and wash cloths) makes a difference in
> time-to-dry, too.

Clothes dryers use most of their energy heating air and blowing it out
the vent. It's a very inefficient way to dry clothes. I'm guessing
direct radiant heat in a partial vacuum would work better than the
convection systems we have now days. A electric stove which conducts
heat directly to it's intended target is tons more efficient. Of course
ovens work by convection as well as radiant heating, however, the
efficiency is increased many time over a dryer by containing the heat to
the inside of the oven.

>
> "NOT" using an electric dryer is much friendlier for clothing -- all
> that tumbling can do a lot of wear& tear on the fibers.

My wife would irritate me by running the washer on the heavy duty cycle
which had got to beat the clothes all to hell. I'm sure that tumbling in
the dryer does beat down the clothes fiber - great for some cotton
clothes like jeans and pajamas but bad for synthetics.

>
> There are benefits to 'not' using a dryer - no electricity used and a
> lower power/utility bill! DUH!
>
> Line drying definitely saves a lot of money!!! How do I know - I blame
> sf<VBG>? I've seen my electric bill drastically reduced when my
> 'dryer' failed and had to use the 'line dry' method instead. BTW, I
> know I've saved a good $30++/month by NOT using my clothes dryer! So
> those 'pennies' Sheldon mentioned surely do add up ;D And I still 'line
> dry' to this day - except for dead-cold winter - then it's just not
> worth it!<G>

From what I remember from my line-drying days, it certainly gives you
time to think about stuff - I found it kinda relaxing. I don't think I'd
want to do it again though. Just call me corrupted. :-)

>
> Sky, who goes out into her garage to hang out another load of laundry to
> dry
>
> P.S. I didn't intend to be so redundant !!
>

notbob wrote:
> On 2010-05-17, brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
>> The electric consumed to dry clothes is far less than cooking with an
>> electric stove.
>
> I'd question that. Not only does an electric dryer drive a heating
> element much like a stove, but electric motors are also huge energy
> sucks.

Yep. The burners in the oven go on and heat up the air in the oven and
the body and insulation keep the heat in. With a dryer you have a heater
element and a fan to heat up the incoming air and blow it through the
machine to blast the moisture out of the fabric and through the exhaust,
so you are constantly heating air just to blow it through the tumbler.
Then there is the electric motor to turn the tumbler.

I find that if I get my laundry out early in the morning on a dry day
with a bit of a breeze, it sometimes dries within an hour or two.

sf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:31:03 -0400, "Cheryl" >
> wrote:
>
> > I liked it! I have a neighbor who still hang dries everything. I would,
> > but I can't stand bugs and don't want to be surprised by one hidden when
> > brought inside.
>
> Do what someone here on rfc does... hang them in the garage with the
> door closed.


I'm a guilty party. Sf's right the bugs- or bird's-poop-thing! When
my electric clothes dryer failed - I was concerned about an 'outside'
line for the clothes - luckily - I was able to rig a couple of
tight/tought lines in my garage and wow - I'm amazed! The way I can fit
laundry on those two lines is amazing - it's like working a puzzle in a
way, so to speak <G>. And surprisingly so, it's fun!

Sky

P.S. I'd rather line-dry clothing with clothes-pins than hand-wash then
line-dry, anyday!!!!! :P~~~~~~~

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

On 5/17/2010 6:21 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:39:08 +0000 (UTC),
>
>>> Another reason is that clothes last longer and, in most cases,
>>> look better for longer if you don't dry them. So it also saves
>>> money on clothing.
>
>> That part is not true... UV destroys clothing.
>
> This is a valid point; UV destroys some clothing, such as
> polyester. But not cotton, and nearly all of my clothing is
> 100% cotton.

Check again. <http://www.springerlink.com/content/nl113g047411w332/>
>
> (I do not however dry brighly-colored stuff outside; have
> an indoor drying setup for that.)
>
>> Modern clothes driers are extremely efficient, there is no benefit to
>> hanging clothes, NONE!
>
> Okay if you say so.
>
> Steve

J. Clarke > wrote:

>> This is a valid point; UV destroys some clothing, such as
>> polyester. But not cotton, and nearly all of my clothing is
>> 100% cotton.

>Check again. <http://www.springerlink.com/content/nl113g047411w332/>

I'm not particularly worried; the quantitative amount of UV
damage to cotton clothing, due to it being put on a clothesline
is not significant; and no more of a problem than the fact
that one wears the clothing in sunlight anyway.

Furthermore, any given spot on my clothesline gets no more than
2 hours of direct sunlight per day, due to trees, buildings,
and fog.

If one lived in Arizona, one might well want to put a shade over
one's clothesline.

Steve

On Mon, 17 May 2010 20:28:26 -0500, Sky >
wrote:

>brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:39:08 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>
>> >Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
>> >
>> >>The whole point of hanging clothes on a line, AFAICS, is to get the
>> >>fresh air, sunshiney smell on sheets and towels.
>> >
>> >I do it for that reason, but also to save money and conserve
>> >energy. Buying and putting in a dryer, including installing a new
>> >220V circuit, would cost me about $1600, and then would add to my
>> >electric bills. I have not wanted to cough that up. I can
>> >also feel good about conserving energy.
>> >
>> >Another reason is that clothes last longer and, in most cases,
>> >look better for longer if you don't dry them. So it also saves
>> >money on clothing.
>>
>> That part is not true... UV destroys clothing.
>>
>> The electric consumed to dry clothes is far less than cooking with an
>> electric stove.
>>
>> The few pennies added to the electric bill to use a clothes dryer is
>> miniscule compared with the time wasted hanging and unhanging.
>>
>> Modern clothes driers are extremely efficient, there is no benefit to
>> hanging clothes, NONE!
>
>A few points:
>
>UV light will and does destroy the colors and fibers for many things, so
>Sheldon does get a point there for being 'correct'! Sunlight bleaches
>and fades many fabrics of their colors and leeches their 'strength'. I
>wonder if Sheldon keeps his shutters and shades pulled all the time at
>his home to prevent UV damage???

Actually I do, especially on the south side... I have expensive
furnishings and oriental rugs, I don't need them ruined.

>In the USA, a clothing dryer and an electric stove both (usually) use
>220V outlets -- so anytime a stove is used, it consumes double the 110V
>power (hey, I'm no electrical engineer, but I know a few!).

Actually you know nothing... voltage is not a measurement of power
consumed... wattage is power consumed.

>"NOT" using an electric dryer is much friendlier for clothing -- all
>that tumbling can do a lot of wear & tear on the fibers.

Actually it's the washing machine agitator that abrades clothing...
front loaders are a bit more gentle but they still damage clothing far
more than than tumbling clothing in a dryer. The dryer removes the
fibers abraded from washing... your line dried clothes must look like
crap.

>There are benefits to 'not' using a dryer - no electricity used and a
>lower power/utility bill! DUH!
>
>Line drying definitely saves a lot of money!!! How do I know - I blame
>sf <VBG>? I've seen my electric bill drastically reduced when my
>'dryer' failed and had to use the 'line dry' method instead. BTW, I
>know I've saved a good $30++/month by NOT using my clothes dryer! So
>those 'pennies' Sheldon mentioned surely do add up ;D

That's 50¢/a day... that's at least 2 big loads every day... I
seriously doubt you're doing two big loads of laundry every day. You
really have no way to know how much you saved by not using your dryer,
you're just making a wild guess.

Anyway it's got to take more than an hour to hang and unhang one big
load... my labor is worth a heck if a lot more than 25¢ an hour.

Line drying clothes saves nothing, in fact it costs you your time and
damages your clothing.

On Mon, 17 May 2010 22:26:56 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>> On 2010-05-17, brooklyn1 > wrote:
>>
>>> The electric consumed to dry clothes is far less than cooking with an
>>> electric stove.
>>
>> I'd question that. Not only does an electric dryer drive a heating
>> element much like a stove, but electric motors are also huge energy
>> sucks.
>
>Yep. The burners in the oven go on and heat up the air in the oven and
>the body and insulation keep the heat in. With a dryer you have a heater
>element and a fan to heat up the incoming air and blow it through the
>machine to blast the moisture out of the fabric and through the exhaust,
>so you are constantly heating air just to blow it through the tumbler.
>Then there is the electric motor to turn the tumbler.
>
>I find that if I get my laundry out early in the morning on a dry day
>with a bit of a breeze, it sometimes dries within an hour or two.


There are very inexpensive doohickys that one can install at the vent
that will redirect the heated air back into the house during the
heating season... might be worth it if one does a lot of clothes
drying.

brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> That part is not true... UV destroys clothing.


So you hang clothes out in the evening and pull them in when you get in
the next morning, and you get enough UV to sanitize them but not enough
to start bleaching them out. In the summer this works great.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> What about all that material that ends up on lint traps. It is the
> fabric lost in from the heat and tumbling of the dryer. FWIW, my brother


Actually IIRC it's caused by agitator washers, not dryers. I know that
I have to machine-dry my clothes periodically or the lint builds up.

Meh wrote:
> On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:49:44 -0700 (PDT), Food Snob®
> > wrote:
>
>> On May 17, 5:15 pm, brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
> WHAT the **** does this have to do with food?????

Don't swear, your mama might be reading. We can watch our clothesline from
the kitchen window while cooking. Is that close enough?



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brooklyn1 wrote:

>
> There are very inexpensive doohickys that one can install at the vent
> that will redirect the heated air back into the house during the
> heating season... might be worth it if one does a lot of clothes
> drying.

True. I know someone who had one. Heating season is also humidifying
season in some places. If the house is already humid you are going to
have have too much moisture in the air.

On Tue, 18 May 2010 17:47:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >
> > There are very inexpensive doohickys that one can install at the vent
> > that will redirect the heated air back into the house during the
> > heating season... might be worth it if one does a lot of clothes
> > drying.
>
> True. I know someone who had one. Heating season is also humidifying
> season in some places. If the house is already humid you are going to
> have have too much moisture in the air.

Sounds like it would be fine for cold weather areas that heat by
forced air and need more indoor humidity in the winter. Point it
outside for summer weather.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

sf wrote:

>> True. I know someone who had one. Heating season is also humidifying
>> season in some places. If the house is already humid you are going to
>> have have too much moisture in the air.
>
> Sounds like it would be fine for cold weather areas that heat by
> forced air and need more indoor humidity in the winter. Point it
> outside for summer weather.

Yes, it would be good for those two or three months during the winter
when humidity is low. It might help to stop those clued furniture
joints from coming apart, but for the rest of the year it is going to
add too much humidity to the air. My experience is that it isn't easy to
get those vent pipes hooked up.

It's still air drying for me. I do it year round. We rarely use our
clothes dryer.

On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:49:44 -0700 (PDT), Food Snob®
> wrote:

>On May 17, 5:15*pm, brooklyn1 > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Modern clothes driers are extremely efficient, there is no benefit to
>> hanging clothes, NONE!
>
>That's not correct. If they were "extremely efficient," then there
>would be a way to recover the heat during heating degree days, w/o
>introducing the humidity into the dwelling.

There are redirecting valves one can install in the vent line, and a
little extra humidity during the heating season is a good thing. I
only do 2-3 medium loads a week so I don't concern myself with energy
costs with a clothes dryer... there are many more real/meaningful ways
to save energy.