Hello All!

I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa sprouts
because of the danger of salmonella contamination. Does anyone know of a
way to make such sprouts safe? I think the method used for bean
sprouts, dropping in boiling water and then into ice water would cook
alfalfa sprouts too much.

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James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

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not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

In article >,
"James Silverton" > wrote:

> Hello All!
>
> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa sprouts
> because of the danger of salmonella contamination. Does anyone know of a
> way to make such sprouts safe? I think the method used for bean
> sprouts, dropping in boiling water and then into ice water would cook
> alfalfa sprouts too much.
>
> ‚‚Ý
>
>
> James Silverton

Grow your own? :-)
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Omelet wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 10:23:31 -0500:

>> Hello All!
>>
>> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa
>> sprouts because of the danger of salmonella contamination.
>> Does anyone know of a way to make such sprouts safe? I think
>> the method used for bean sprouts, dropping in boiling water
>> and then into ice water would cook alfalfa sprouts too much.
>>
>> ‚‚Ý
>>
>> James Silverton

> Grow your own? :-)

I don't do things like that :-) Actually, I did grow sprouts for a
little while when the kids were young but looking after the "farm"
became old rather quickly!

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Potomac, Maryland

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James Silverton wrote:
> Hello All!
>
> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa sprouts
> because of the danger of salmonella contamination. Does anyone know of a
> way to make such sprouts safe? I think the method used for bean
> sprouts, dropping in boiling water and then into ice water would cook
> alfalfa sprouts too much.
>

Wouldn't any cooking alfalfa sprouts at all be overcooking? I have
never had them anything but raw.

In article >,
"James Silverton" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 10:23:31 -0500:
>
> >> Hello All!
> >>
> >> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa
> >> sprouts because of the danger of salmonella contamination.
> >> Does anyone know of a way to make such sprouts safe? I think
> >> the method used for bean sprouts, dropping in boiling water
> >> and then into ice water would cook alfalfa sprouts too much.
> >>
> >> ‚‚Ý
> >>
> >> James Silverton
>
> > Grow your own? :-)
>
> I don't do things like that :-) Actually, I did grow sprouts for a
> little while when the kids were young but looking after the "farm"
> became old rather quickly!

I totally understand. <g> I have three sprouting jars still sitting on
the kitchen windowsill that are currently not in use. I do plan to
still do it from time to time, but not regularly.

My cockatoo loves them and they are good for her, but she prefers bean
sprouts and they are inexpensive.

Unfortunately, I can no longer get sunflower sprouts around here so
might reconsider making those for her. They do better with the shells on
tho' and are a pain to clean up for human use.

Freya does not care about the shells so I can grow them just for her
with less work. ;-)
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On May 22, 7:54*am, "James Silverton" >
wrote:
> Hello All!
>
> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa sprouts
> because of the danger of salmonella contamination. Does anyone know of a
> way to make such sprouts safe? *I think the method used for bean
> sprouts, dropping in boiling water and then into ice water would cook
> alfalfa sprouts too much.
>

Soak them in lab alcohol for a bit? What about hydrogen peroxide?

On Sat, 22 May 2010 10:54:59 -0400, James Silverton wrote:

> Hello All!
>
> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa sprouts
> because of the danger of salmonella contamination. Does anyone know of a
> way to make such sprouts safe?

Don't eat them? That's my solution to all sprouts except mung.

-sw

On Sat, 22 May 2010 10:54:59 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> Hello All!
>
> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa sprouts
> because of the danger of salmonella contamination. Does anyone know of a
> way to make such sprouts safe? I think the method used for bean
> sprouts, dropping in boiling water and then into ice water would cook
> alfalfa sprouts too much.

How on earth do sprouts come in contact with salmonella?

--
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sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 12:15:03 -0700:

>> Hello All!
>>
>> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa
>> sprouts because of the danger of salmonella contamination.
>> Does anyone know of a way to make such sprouts safe? I think
>> the method used for bean sprouts, dropping in boiling water
>> and then into ice water would cook alfalfa sprouts too much.

> How on earth do sprouts come in contact with salmonella?

The news reports seem reliable and I suspect the problem is caused by
poor hygiene on the farms or among workers.



--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

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On Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:12 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 12:15:03 -0700:
>
> >> Hello All!
> >>
> >> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa
> >> sprouts because of the danger of salmonella contamination.
> >> Does anyone know of a way to make such sprouts safe? I think
> >> the method used for bean sprouts, dropping in boiling water
> >> and then into ice water would cook alfalfa sprouts too much.
>
> > How on earth do sprouts come in contact with salmonella?
>
> The news reports seem reliable and I suspect the problem is caused by
> poor hygiene on the farms or among workers.

In that case, the answer is obvious - we'd treat sprouts just like we
treat any other raw item that is occasionally recalled for salmonella
contamination.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 13:35:03 -0700:

>> sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 12:15:03 -0700:
>>
> >>> Hello All!
> >>>
> >>> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa
> >>> sprouts because of the danger of salmonella contamination.
> >>> Does anyone know of a way to make such sprouts safe? I
> >>> think the method used for bean sprouts, dropping in
> >>> boiling water and then into ice water would cook alfalfa
> >>> sprouts too much.
>>
> >> How on earth do sprouts come in contact with salmonella?
>>
>> The news reports seem reliable and I suspect the problem is
>> caused by poor hygiene on the farms or among workers.

> In that case, the answer is obvious - we'd treat sprouts just
> like we treat any other raw item that is occasionally recalled
> for salmonella contamination.

Huh! What do I do if I like alfalfa sprouts in a sandwich?

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Potomac, Maryland

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On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:15:03 -0700, sf wrote:

> How on earth do sprouts come in contact with salmonella?

Cross-contamination with other foods produced by the same
manufacturers. Or from machinery used in processing - like a train
hopper car or other transportation mechanism.
-sw

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sat, 22 May 2010 10:54:59 -0400, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
> > Hello All!
> >
> > I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa sprouts
> > because of the danger of salmonella contamination. Does anyone know of a
> > way to make such sprouts safe? I think the method used for bean
> > sprouts, dropping in boiling water and then into ice water would cook
> > alfalfa sprouts too much.
>
> How on earth do sprouts come in contact with salmonella?

Usually contaminated rinse water, or sometimes it's present on the seeds
themselves.
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On 5/22/2010 3:50 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 12:15:03 -0700:
>
>>> Hello All!
>>>
>>> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa
>>> sprouts because of the danger of salmonella contamination.
>>> Does anyone know of a way to make such sprouts safe? I think
>>> the method used for bean sprouts, dropping in boiling water
>>> and then into ice water would cook alfalfa sprouts too much.
>
>> How on earth do sprouts come in contact with salmonella?
>
> The news reports seem reliable and I suspect the problem is caused by
> poor hygiene on the farms or among workers.

You're four times more likely to get killed by lightning than you are to
get the trots from alfalfa sprouts. Personally I wouldn't worry about it.

James Silverton wrote:
>
> Huh! What do I do if I like alfalfa sprouts in a sandwich?

You die, of course.

On Sat, 22 May 2010 16:38:24 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> Huh! What do I do if I like alfalfa sprouts in a sandwich?

Eat it.

--
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J. Clarke wrote:

> On 5/22/2010 3:50 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> The news reports seem reliable and I suspect the problem is caused by
>> poor hygiene on the farms or among workers.
>
> You're four times more likely to get killed by lightning than you are to
> get the trots from alfalfa sprouts. Personally I wouldn't worry about it.

Precisely.

Also, it's not likely caused by transmission from humans.
The typical vector in that case, if you'll excuse me, is the so called
"fecal oral" route. That's characteristic of organisms like e coli,
but never salmonella.

More likely this was caused by contact with contaminated water.
Dead animals are always the initial source.

Producers, stack and store your products carefully, please. Fix
leaky roofs and walls, and watch out whats dripping in and around
the storage area.

--
Mort

On May 22, 3:08*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 16:38:24 -0400, "James Silverton"
>
> > wrote:
> > Huh! What do I do if I like alfalfa sprouts in a sandwich?
>
> Eat it.
>
> --
> Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

==
Alfalfa sprouts have about as much food value as a glass of water...I
prefer the water. Especially so if mixed with a bit of sugar and
"scotch".
==

sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 14:08:52 -0700:

>> Huh! What do I do if I like alfalfa sprouts in a sandwich?

> Eat it.

Don't be utterly and completely stupid! What I was originally looking
for was a way to sterilize alfalfa sprouts without cooking them. I told
you what to do for bean sprouts.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Roy wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 14:19:00 -0700 (PDT):

> On May 22, 3:08 pm, sf > wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 16:38:24 -0400, "James Silverton"
>>
>> > wrote:
> >> Huh! What do I do if I like alfalfa sprouts in a sandwich?
>>
>> Eat it.
>>
>> --
>> Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can
>> get.

>Alfalfa sprouts have about as much food value as a glass of water...I
>prefer the water. Especially so if mixed with a bit of sugar and
>"scotch".

Who cares about food value? I like the texture of alfalfa sprouts. By
the way, who puts sugar in Scotch? Don't ever mention that perversion in
Scotland!

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

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James Silverton wrote:
>
> sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 14:08:52 -0700:
>
> >> Huh! What do I do if I like alfalfa sprouts in a sandwich?
>
> > Eat it.
>
> Don't be utterly and completely stupid! What I was originally looking
> for was a way to sterilize alfalfa sprouts without cooking them. I told
> you what to do for bean sprouts.

I had an idea a few years ago for a product
for people who are afraid of germs. It would
be an UV flashlight based on a UV LED. You'd
shine it on the food before eating it. After
all, UV is well known to kill germs. It would,
of course, be worthless for actually killing
germs, but it would be very effective for giving
these people peace-of-mind.

On Sat, 22 May 2010 14:19:00 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

> Alfalfa sprouts have about as much food value as a glass of water...I
> prefer the water.

I equate them to lettuce, another food that had the value of water.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Sat, 22 May 2010 17:22:30 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> Don't be utterly and completely stupid! What I was originally looking
> for was a way to sterilize alfalfa sprouts without cooking them. I told
> you what to do for bean sprouts.

Do you sterilize every other vegetable or berry that has a history of
recall due to salmonella.... green onions, baby lettuce greens,
strawberries? I don't.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

James Silverton wrote:
> sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 12:15:03 -0700:
>
>>> Hello All!
>>>
>>> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa
>>> sprouts because of the danger of salmonella contamination.
>>> Does anyone know of a way to make such sprouts safe? I think
>>> the method used for bean sprouts, dropping in boiling water
>>> and then into ice water would cook alfalfa sprouts too much.
>
>> How on earth do sprouts come in contact with salmonella?
>
> The news reports seem reliable and I suspect the problem is caused by
> poor hygiene on the farms or among workers.
>


Or watering from contaminated wells.
Or animal waste from nearby fields.

Why are we always s quick to blame the poor farm workers exclusively?

gloria p

On 5/22/2010 5:22 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 14:08:52 -0700:
>
>>> Huh! What do I do if I like alfalfa sprouts in a sandwich?
>
>> Eat it.
>
> Don't be utterly and completely stupid! What I was originally looking
> for was a way to sterilize alfalfa sprouts without cooking them. I told
> you what to do for bean sprouts.

Find someone with access to a cobalt source, give 'em 10 kGy.

J. Clarke > wrote:

>On 5/22/2010 5:22 PM, James Silverton wrote:

>> Don't be utterly and completely stupid! What I was originally looking
>> for was a way to sterilize alfalfa sprouts without cooking them. I told
>> you what to do for bean sprouts.

>Find someone with access to a cobalt source, give 'em 10 kGy.

That'll work.

Unfortunately, irradiated food has proven fatal to cats, so
I like to avoid it.


Steve

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sat, 22 May 2010 17:22:30 -0400, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
> > Don't be utterly and completely stupid! What I was originally looking
> > for was a way to sterilize alfalfa sprouts without cooking them. I told
> > you what to do for bean sprouts.
>
> Do you sterilize every other vegetable or berry that has a history of
> recall due to salmonella.... green onions, baby lettuce greens,
> strawberries? I don't.

Y'know, that UV light idea does have merit. Biohazard hoods used for
processing bacterial and viral cultures run a UV light between uses to
keep the bench sterilized and it works.

When I took my micro' class in college, we streaked some plates with
bacterial cultures in a "lake" streak so that the entire plate would be
covered by bacteria, then placed a piece of paper over one part of the
plate. We then exposed it for X-number of minutes to a UV lamp, removed
the bit of paper and returned the plates to the incubator.

Bacteria only grew on the spot that was covered by the paper.

If we could get manufacturers to treat veggies with UV light during
processing, that might be a simple solution.

The other sure fire way to fix the problem would be to irradiate
everything.
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In article >,
"gloria.p" > wrote:

> James Silverton wrote:
> > sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 12:15:03 -0700:
> >
> >>> Hello All!
> >>>
> >>> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa
> >>> sprouts because of the danger of salmonella contamination.
> >>> Does anyone know of a way to make such sprouts safe? I think
> >>> the method used for bean sprouts, dropping in boiling water
> >>> and then into ice water would cook alfalfa sprouts too much.
> >
> >> How on earth do sprouts come in contact with salmonella?
> >
> > The news reports seem reliable and I suspect the problem is caused by
> > poor hygiene on the farms or among workers.
> >
>
>
> Or watering from contaminated wells.
> Or animal waste from nearby fields.
>
> Why are we always s quick to blame the poor farm workers exclusively?
>
> gloria p

I don't know who ever came up with that crap. The most notorious cause
of this problem is just as you say. Contaminated irrigation and/or rinse
water. Maybe insisting that all water used to deal with produce not be
well or river water might solve the problem?

I don't know how well that'd work tho'. One of the reasons I rarely
garden any more is because I can't afford to. Buying fresh produce
(even from the local farmers market) is far cheaper than the water bills
were when I was just growing even tomatoes and okra.

If I was not a suburbanite and had my own well, that might be different.
The city charges too much for water for me to be able to use that much.
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In article >,
"J. Clarke" > wrote:

> On 5/22/2010 5:22 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> > sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 14:08:52 -0700:
> >
> >>> Huh! What do I do if I like alfalfa sprouts in a sandwich?
> >
> >> Eat it.
> >
> > Don't be utterly and completely stupid! What I was originally looking
> > for was a way to sterilize alfalfa sprouts without cooking them. I told
> > you what to do for bean sprouts.
>
> Find someone with access to a cobalt source, give 'em 10 kGy.

Too bad I won't have access to an irradiator at work. There is one where
I am training but not where I will be working.

Altho' I doubt that they'd allow me to use the blood irradiator to
sterilize my food! <g>
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On May 22, 3:03*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 14:19:00 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> wrote:
>
> > Alfalfa sprouts have about as much food value as a glass of water...I
> > prefer the water.
>
> I equate them to lettuce, another food that had the value of water.

Seeds contain the nutrients needed by the baby plant -- I presume the
sprouts still contain the nutrients. Plus they make a satisfying
crunch when eaten.

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> J. Clarke > wrote:
>
> >On 5/22/2010 5:22 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>
> >> Don't be utterly and completely stupid! What I was originally looking
> >> for was a way to sterilize alfalfa sprouts without cooking them. I told
> >> you what to do for bean sprouts.
>
> >Find someone with access to a cobalt source, give 'em 10 kGy.
>
> That'll work.
>
> Unfortunately, irradiated food has proven fatal to cats, so
> I like to avoid it.
>
>
> Steve

I have to wonder about that. Sounds like it's being over-irradiated.
Like they are using too high of a dosage.

Blood Banks routinely irradiate blood for infants that need blood
transfusions to prevent graft versus host disease as newborns have not
yet developed an immune system.

They also irradiate blood for immunocompromised adult patients, and
directed donations from immediate family members.

To date, I've never heard of irradiated blood killing someone and that's
a lot more intense than eating something that's been treated that way!

Do you have a site for that? Not arguing about it, just curious as I've
kinda been a believer in irradiation to make our food sources safer.
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spamtrap1888 > wrote:

>On May 22, 3:03*pm, sf > wrote:

>> I equate them to lettuce, another food that had the value of water.

>Seeds contain the nutrients needed by the baby plant -- I presume the
>sprouts still contain the nutrients. Plus they make a satisfying
>crunch when eaten.

Yes, sprouts contain micornutrients.

Not all lettuce is low-nutrition either.

Steve

Omelet > wrote:

> (Steve Pope) wrote:

>> Unfortunately, irradiated food has proven fatal to cats, so
>> I like to avoid it.

>I have to wonder about that. Sounds like it's being over-irradiated.
>Like they are using too high of a dosage.

I don't know all the details, but a batch of irradiated (possibly,
over irradiated) cat food killed 20 cats in Australia.

Even if it was too high a dose, this does suggest that some of
the radiolytic substances in the food are harmful.

>Blood Banks routinely irradiate blood for infants that need blood
>transfusions to prevent graft versus host disease as newborns have not
>yet developed an immune system.

>They also irradiate blood for immunocompromised adult patients, and
>directed donations from immediate family members.

The medical industry is one of the biggest users of radiation
generally. In my opinion, sometimes irresponsibly. One of the
biggest mass radition poisoning cases on record had to do
with medical equipment in Brazil. And there's been press in
the past year about overdosing patients while scanning them.

>To date, I've never heard of irradiated blood killing someone and that's
>a lot more intense than eating something that's been treated that way!
>
>Do you have a site for that? Not arguing about it, just curious as I've
>kinda been a believer in irradiation to make our food sources safer.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/catfo...0529-bq8h.html

Steve

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> spamtrap1888 > wrote:
>
>>On May 22, 3:03 pm, sf > wrote:
>
>>> I equate them to lettuce, another food that had the value of water.
>
>>Seeds contain the nutrients needed by the baby plant -- I presume the
>>sprouts still contain the nutrients. Plus they make a satisfying
>>crunch when eaten.
>
> Yes, sprouts contain micornutrients.
>
> Not all lettuce is low-nutrition either.
>
> Steve

Just remember, sf is/was a schoolteacher. She is NEVER wrong. Just think
how dumb her students would be if she gave out wrong information.

On 5/22/2010 8:36 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
> J. > wrote:
>
>> On 5/22/2010 5:22 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>
>>> Don't be utterly and completely stupid! What I was originally looking
>>> for was a way to sterilize alfalfa sprouts without cooking them. I told
>>> you what to do for bean sprouts.
>
>> Find someone with access to a cobalt source, give 'em 10 kGy.
>
> That'll work.
>
> Unfortunately, irradiated food has proven fatal to cats, so
> I like to avoid it.

There's one specific brand, it's not clear that irradiation is the cause
of the problem, and whatever is going on there is medically interesting.
So I don't think it's really a reason to avoid irradiated foods.

Omelet wrote:

>In article >,
> "gloria.p" > wrote:
>
>> James Silverton wrote:
>> > sf wrote on Sat, 22 May 2010 12:15:03 -0700:
>> >
>> >>> Hello All!
>> >>>
>> >>> I gather there have been several recent recalls of Alfalfa
>> >>> sprouts because of the danger of salmonella contamination.
>> >>> Does anyone know of a way to make such sprouts safe? I think
>> >>> the method used for bean sprouts, dropping in boiling water
>> >>> and then into ice water would cook alfalfa sprouts too much.
>> >
>> >> How on earth do sprouts come in contact with salmonella?
>> >
>> > The news reports seem reliable and I suspect the problem is caused by
>> > poor hygiene on the farms or among workers.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Or watering from contaminated wells.
>> Or animal waste from nearby fields.
>>
>> Why are we always s quick to blame the poor farm workers exclusively?
>>
>> gloria p
>
>I don't know who ever came up with that crap. The most notorious cause
>of this problem is just as you say. Contaminated irrigation and/or rinse
>water. Maybe insisting that all water used to deal with produce not be
>well or river water might solve the problem?
>
>I don't know how well that'd work tho'. One of the reasons I rarely
>garden any more is because I can't afford to. Buying fresh produce
>(even from the local farmers market) is far cheaper than the water bills
>were when I was just growing even tomatoes and okra.
>
>If I was not a suburbanite and had my own well, that might be different.
>The city charges too much for water for me to be able to use that much.

What makes you think ones own well is cheap, the electric to run it is
the least of it... servicing/repairng a well is very expensive. I
have two wells on my property, I wish I had city water.

Anyway, growing ones own home veggies is a hobby, no way can one save
money over buying from the stupidmarket/farm stands

On Sat, 22 May 2010 20:18:35 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke > wrote:
>>
>> >On 5/22/2010 5:22 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> >> Don't be utterly and completely stupid! What I was originally looking
>> >> for was a way to sterilize alfalfa sprouts without cooking them. I told
>> >> you what to do for bean sprouts.
>>
>> >Find someone with access to a cobalt source, give 'em 10 kGy.
>>
>> That'll work.
>>
>> Unfortunately, irradiated food has proven fatal to cats, so
>> I like to avoid it.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>
>I have to wonder about that. Sounds like it's being over-irradiated.
>Like they are using too high of a dosage.

Pinheads are irradiating the cats

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> >They also irradiate blood for immunocompromised adult patients, and
> >directed donations from immediate family members.
>
> The medical industry is one of the biggest users of radiation
> generally. In my opinion, sometimes irresponsibly. One of the
> biggest mass radition poisoning cases on record had to do
> with medical equipment in Brazil. And there's been press in
> the past year about overdosing patients while scanning them.

It is pretty heavily regulated but I personally try to avoid it.

>
> >To date, I've never heard of irradiated blood killing someone and that's
> >a lot more intense than eating something that's been treated that way!
> >
> >Do you have a site for that? Not arguing about it, just curious as I've
> >kinda been a believer in irradiation to make our food sources safer.
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/national/catfo...-theory-proved
> -20090529-bq8h.html
>
> Steve

Over-irradiated indeed! Did you catch that part that said that pet food
was dosed a lot higher than stuff meant for humans? How idiotic is that?
Pets are generally a bit more delicate, especially cats and birds.
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Omelet > wrote:

> (Steve Pope) wrote:

>> http://www.smh.com.au/national/catfo...-theory-proved
>> -20090529-bq8h.html

>Over-irradiated indeed! Did you catch that part that said that pet food
>was dosed a lot higher than stuff meant for humans? How idiotic is that?

You mean the part where they lied.

Per the above the fatal cat food was dosed with 50 kilograys.

Per Wikipedia, human food is dosed with up to 70 kilograys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_ir..._absorbed_dose

Depending on the product, some are less, but some are in the 50
kilogray region... including... hospital food!

So neurotoxic substances that can kill cats are being fed
to hospital patients in all likelyhood.

Steve

J. Clarke > wrote:

>On 5/22/2010 8:36 PM, Steve Pope wrote:

>> Unfortunately, irradiated food has proven fatal to cats, so
>> I like to avoid it.

>There's one specific brand, it's not clear that irradiation is the cause
>of the problem, and whatever is going on there is medically interesting.
> So I don't think it's really a reason to avoid irradiated foods.

Sure it is. Since I can easily live life happily without
eating irradiated food, if there is any suspicion they are
harmful (which there is), and if there is no proof they are
safe (which there isn't), there is absolutely no reason for
me not to avoid them.

Steve