brooklyn1 wrote:

> I doubt it, coyotes don't kill bobcats. Even the domestic cat is safe
> from coyotes, coyotes can't climb. The only real danger to the
> domestic cat outdoors are humans/vehicals.

And Great Horned Owls.
From http://www.owling.com/GHO_nh.htm
It will eat prey as small as insects and scorpions or as large as
domestic cats, woodchucks, geese, and Great Blue Herons. This owl's
diverse diet may include small mammals to rabbits, birds, and reptiles
to fish and amphibians. It will take carrion when the weather is bad. It
has one of thee most powerful grips with its feet of any of the owls. It
regularly preys on smaller owls and has been reported to attack and kill
even Red-tailed Hawks. It has no predators and will eat anything from
crayfish to young foxes.

Ross.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> Awoke this morning to wave upon wave of cacophonous honking over my
> roof...
>
> I counted 120:
> http://i49.tinypic.com/2nk5n9g.jpg


Brought to mind Paul Simon's song "Slip Slidin' Away".
While they are an impressive bird, they've made it almost impossible to
enjoy some local parks.
You've no doubt heard the saying 'Loose as a goose'.

Ross.

"sf" > wrote
> The facts about what happened and why have been out for a long time.
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6490197.shtml
> http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/201...se-60-minutes/
>

All good information, but the investigation may add to it or change things
when all is said and done and the finger pointing stops. Many of these
disasters take months or years and sometimes have surprise causes not seen
during the initial findings.


..>> The reality is the effects of this spill will be decades long, maybe
>> centuries.
>
> This is why offshore drilling is not a good idea. Unfortunately some
> people need personal experience to learn why.
..
It won't stop until we decide to reduce our oil consumption around the
world. We keep digging deeper holes in the ground and taking out more and
more resources. Be it oil, gold, iron, copper, much of the easy stuff is
gone and it is getting more costly to get the rest. Our freewheeling
materialistic society may be in for radical changes in the next couple of
generations.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

> It won't stop until we decide to reduce our oil consumption around
> the world.
<snip>

Heard on the news tonight that all the oil that has escaped to date
represents about 5 minutes of consumption in the USA.

Amazing stat.

Lew

Omelet wrote:
>
> Um, Shel' babe, Coyotes are famous for killing domestic cats, dogs, and
> even sometimes very young children in some areas. You and I think alike
> about cats in that they are not allowed outdoors.

I think there's only one known case of a coyote
killing a child, several years ago, and another
case of a pair of coyotes killing a young woman
a few months ago. Other than those two, I believe
there are no other known coyote fatalities.

In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > Um, Shel' babe, Coyotes are famous for killing domestic cats, dogs, and
> > even sometimes very young children in some areas. You and I think alike
> > about cats in that they are not allowed outdoors.
>
> I think there's only one known case of a coyote
> killing a child, several years ago, and another
> case of a pair of coyotes killing a young woman
> a few months ago. Other than those two, I believe
> there are no other known coyote fatalities.

Ok, I'll grant you that deaths might not be frequent, but attacks are
bad enough:

http://varmintal.com/attac.htm

Worst area seems to be suburban Los Angeles.

I think you'll find plenty of cites for them eating domestic pets.
Cats are at risk running free.
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>> Um, Shel' babe, Coyotes are famous for killing domestic cats, dogs, and
>> even sometimes very young children in some areas. You and I think alike
>> about cats in that they are not allowed outdoors.
>
> I think there's only one known case of a coyote
> killing a child, several years ago, and another
> case of a pair of coyotes killing a young woman
> a few months ago. Other than those two, I believe
> there are no other known coyote fatalities.

A man in our town was attacked by coyotes a few years ago, and last year
someone on the next road over was out walking his dog when a big
coyote attacked the dog.

I wonder if it is the one that lives in the woods behind me. I found the
den a few months ago. The food prints around it are huge, and Farmer
John, who owns the nursery behind us, has seen it. He said it is huge.

On Mon, 31 May 2010 00:34:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> "sf" > wrote
>> The facts about what happened and why have been out for a long time.
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6490197.shtml
>> http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/201...se-60-minutes/
>>
>
> All good information, but the investigation may add to it or change things
> when all is said and done and the finger pointing stops. Many of these
> disasters take months or years and sometimes have surprise causes not seen
> during the initial findings.
>
> .>> The reality is the effects of this spill will be decades long, maybe
>>> centuries.
>>
>> This is why offshore drilling is not a good idea. Unfortunately some
>> people need personal experience to learn why.
> .
> It won't stop until we decide to reduce our oil consumption around the
> world. We keep digging deeper holes in the ground and taking out more and
> more resources. Be it oil, gold, iron, copper, much of the easy stuff is
> gone and it is getting more costly to get the rest. Our freewheeling
> materialistic society may be in for radical changes in the next couple of
> generations.

yep. in many ways, easy living for americans is going to become a thing of
the past.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 30 May 2010 19:34:40 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
>> Woulda been easy, the rig is a mile from the leak... shoulda been
>> plugged automatically/instantly, same as how automatic fire control
>> systems operate. The plugging apparatus should be in place before
>> they begin drilling, same as there are brakes on a vehical before it
>> needs to stop, same reason fighter pilots wear a parachute before they
>> take off. People who think like you (who don't think) is why the gulf
>> is ****ed. And the ****ing has only just begun, they haven't a clue.
>
> The safety mechanisms were in place. They failed. Foul play has not been
> ruled out yet.

so you think it was a sabotage conspiracy? on the part of whom, the
socialist obama or environazis?

blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sun, 30 May 2010 19:34:40 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > brooklyn1 > wrote:
> >
> >> Woulda been easy, the rig is a mile from the leak... shoulda been
> >> plugged automatically/instantly, same as how automatic fire control
> >> systems operate. The plugging apparatus should be in place before
> >> they begin drilling, same as there are brakes on a vehical before it
> >> needs to stop, same reason fighter pilots wear a parachute before they
> >> take off. People who think like you (who don't think) is why the gulf
> >> is ****ed. And the ****ing has only just begun, they haven't a clue.
> >
> > The safety mechanisms were in place. They failed. Foul play has not been
> > ruled out yet.
>
> so you think it was a sabotage conspiracy? on the part of whom, the
> socialist obama or environazis?
>
> blake

Blake, do you even listen to the News???
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
>
> yep. in many ways, easy living for americans is going to become a thing
> of
> the past.

Yup. I see a lot more mass transit use in my future. Either that or more
telecommuting. A one-hour one-way drive on a normal day translates into 2
hours on mass transit. 4 hours just to get to and from work is going to
suck.

Cheryl > wrote:

>"blake murphy" > wrote in message

>> yep. in many ways, easy living for americans is going to
>> become a thing of the past.

Yes, and I feel really sorry for the next generation.

> I see a lot more mass transit use in my future. Either that
> or more telecommuting. A one-hour one-way drive on a normal
> day translates into 2 hours on mass transit. 4 hours just to
> get to and from work is going to suck.

I do that one or two days a week. It's not so bad if you are
Zen about it. Read, listen to music, maybe even scribble out
some work-related notes in a notebook in my case. If you
can download a ton of email or Google/Yahoo news onto a laptop,
even better.

I'm even figuring out how to load novels from Project Gutenberg
onto my phone. (They load fine, and the fonts/appearance are good,
but I can't yet scroll through all of them.. they get truncated
somehow. But I'll get that one solved.)

But a big negative is the added 4 hours of total physical inactivity
each day I do this.

Steve

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
>
> Bullshit... you got a monorail up yer ass. The key is the internet,
> simply log on and you're everywhere in picoseconds... don't need to
> *go* anywhere... folks are already telecommuting in droves... won't be
> much longer school buildings will be antiques... ie. one math teacher
> can instruct an entire school district. When was the last time you
> actually wrote anything with pen or pencil....
>
>
I'm very lucky to have the ability to telecommute. Anything I have to do
can easily be done from home other than deadlines where I have to show up in
someone's office and bug them for something. The problem with
telecommuting, at least where I work, is that so many abuse it. Personally,
I can get a lot more done at home. Others, though, have been known to be
completely unreachable when they're supposedly working. It makes our
managers think twice about granting this as an option.

On Mon, 31 May 2010 21:25:16 -0400, "Cheryl" >
wrote:

>"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> Bullshit... you got a monorail up yer ass. The key is the internet,
>> simply log on and you're everywhere in picoseconds... don't need to
>> *go* anywhere... folks are already telecommuting in droves... won't be
>> much longer school buildings will be antiques... ie. one math teacher
>> can instruct an entire school district. When was the last time you
>> actually wrote anything with pen or pencil....
>>
>>
>I'm very lucky to have the ability to telecommute. Anything I have to do
>can easily be done from home other than deadlines where I have to show up in
>someone's office and bug them for something. The problem with
>telecommuting, at least where I work, is that so many abuse it. Personally,
>I can get a lot more done at home. Others, though, have been known to be
>completely unreachable when they're supposedly working. It makes our
>managers think twice about granting this as an option.

Anyone not available on videocam gets fired.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 31 May 2010 21:25:16 -0400, "Cheryl" >
> wrote:
>
>>"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>> Bullshit... you got a monorail up yer ass. The key is the internet,
>>> simply log on and you're everywhere in picoseconds... don't need to
>>> *go* anywhere... folks are already telecommuting in droves... won't be
>>> much longer school buildings will be antiques... ie. one math teacher
>>> can instruct an entire school district. When was the last time you
>>> actually wrote anything with pen or pencil....
>>>
>>>
>>I'm very lucky to have the ability to telecommute. Anything I have to do
>>can easily be done from home other than deadlines where I have to show up
>>in
>>someone's office and bug them for something. The problem with
>>telecommuting, at least where I work, is that so many abuse it.
>>Personally,
>>I can get a lot more done at home. Others, though, have been known to be
>>completely unreachable when they're supposedly working. It makes our
>>managers think twice about granting this as an option.
>
> Anyone not available on videocam gets fired.

Speaking of web cams, I found out last semester that the uni is
experimenting with giving final exams online. I didn't have that option
with my Algebra exam this semester, but I might take advantage of this in
the future. Apparently to take a final exam at home you have to have a web
cam trained on you the entire time.

On Mon, 31 May 2010 21:54:26 -0400, "Cheryl" >
wrote:

>"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 31 May 2010 21:25:16 -0400, "Cheryl" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit... you got a monorail up yer ass. The key is the internet,
>>>> simply log on and you're everywhere in picoseconds... don't need to
>>>> *go* anywhere... folks are already telecommuting in droves... won't be
>>>> much longer school buildings will be antiques... ie. one math teacher
>>>> can instruct an entire school district. When was the last time you
>>>> actually wrote anything with pen or pencil....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I'm very lucky to have the ability to telecommute. Anything I have to do
>>>can easily be done from home other than deadlines where I have to show up
>>>in
>>>someone's office and bug them for something. The problem with
>>>telecommuting, at least where I work, is that so many abuse it.
>>>Personally,
>>>I can get a lot more done at home. Others, though, have been known to be
>>>completely unreachable when they're supposedly working. It makes our
>>>managers think twice about granting this as an option.
>>
>> Anyone not available on videocam gets fired.
>
>Speaking of web cams, I found out last semester that the uni is
>experimenting with giving final exams online. I didn't have that option
>with my Algebra exam this semester, but I might take advantage of this in
>the future. Apparently to take a final exam at home you have to have a web
>cam trained on you the entire time.

What's wrong with that, are you ashamed of your bosoms?

brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 31 May 2010 21:25:16 -0400, "Cheryl" >
> wrote:

>> I'm very lucky to have the ability to telecommute. Anything I have
>> to do can easily be done from home other than deadlines where I have
>> to show up in someone's office and bug them for something. The
>> problem with telecommuting, at least where I work, is that so many
>> abuse it. Personally, I can get a lot more done at home. Others,
>> though, have been known to be completely unreachable when they're
>> supposedly working. It makes our managers think twice about
>> granting this as an option.

There were people who would be unreachable on a regular basis
which could be annoying. But the idea wasn't really if you were sitting
in front of your pc all day, it was Did you get your work done.

Some people definitely took advantage of telecommuting, but I found
that I worked longer hours at home.

> Anyone not available on videocam gets fired.

Being in IT, it wasn't really a 9 to 5 type of job. Of course, it was for
some people, the kind who made it look like they worked all day but
they were just putting in face time. The managers knew who the
real workers were.

nancy

brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 31 May 2010 21:25:16 -0400, "Cheryl" >
> wrote:

>> I'm very lucky to have the ability to telecommute. Anything I have
>> to do can easily be done from home other than deadlines where I have
>> to show up in someone's office and bug them for something. The
>> problem with telecommuting, at least where I work, is that so many
>> abuse it. Personally, I can get a lot more done at home. Others,
>> though, have been known to be completely unreachable when they're
>> supposedly working. It makes our managers think twice about
>> granting this as an option.

There were people who would be unreachable on a regular basis
which could be annoying. But the idea wasn't really if you were sitting
in front of your pc all day, it was Did you get your work done.

Some people definitely took advantage of telecommuting, but I found
that I worked longer hours at home.

> Anyone not available on videocam gets fired.

Being in IT, it wasn't really a 9 to 5 type of job. Of course, it was for
some people, the kind who made it look like they worked all day but
they were just putting in face time. The managers knew who the
real workers were.

nancy

On 5/30/2010 12:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "brooklyn1" > wrote
>>
>> Woulda been easy, the rig is a mile from the leak... shoulda been
>> plugged automatically/instantly, same as how automatic fire control
>> systems operate. The plugging apparatus should be in place before
>> they begin drilling, same as there are brakes on a vehical before it
>> needs to stop, same reason fighter pilots wear a parachute before they
>> take off.
>
> It "supposedly" was in place but did not work. It will be interesting to
> find out the details and who was dumb, who was paid off, who made the
> bad decisions, who was asleep at the wheel.
>
> Once that is determined as fact, criminal charges should be brought
> about. The reality is the effects of this spill will be decades long,
> maybe centuries.

Yeah, good policy--anytime something breaks, even if it was nobody's
fault, put somebody in jail.

You don't know what went wrong. It might have been something beyond
anybody's control.

On 5/30/2010 9:04 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 30 May 2010 17:54:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> Some other countries require the off shore operations to be equipped
>> with remote control safety valves. The US does not. Big Oil lobbied
>> successfully to make sure the US did not make regulations mandating
>> them.
>
> Yes indeed! Time magazine has an article by Joe Klein on that.
>
>> They argued that it wasn't worth the $500,000 per site. That half
>> million dollars is going to look like a bargain by the time this mess is
>> cleaned up.
>
> So far, I'm very skeptical that BP will keep all of their promises
> after the oil leak has been stopped. It will become another lawyer's
> game of deciding what "is" is.

The 500K per site wouldn't have done diddly. All it does is provide an
alternative method of manually actuating the blowout preventer. The
blowout preventer is broken. You could send it every signal in the
universe with your 500K gadget and it still wouldn't work.
>

On Mon, 31 May 2010 22:48:59 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 May 2010 21:25:16 -0400, "Cheryl" >
>> wrote:
>
>>> I'm very lucky to have the ability to telecommute. Anything I have
>>> to do can easily be done from home other than deadlines where I have
>>> to show up in someone's office and bug them for something. The
>>> problem with telecommuting, at least where I work, is that so many
>>> abuse it. Personally, I can get a lot more done at home. Others,
>>> though, have been known to be completely unreachable when they're
>>> supposedly working. It makes our managers think twice about
>>> granting this as an option.
>
>There were people who would be unreachable on a regular basis
>which could be annoying. But the idea wasn't really if you were sitting
>in front of your pc all day, it was Did you get your work done.
>
>Some people definitely took advantage of telecommuting, but I found
>that I worked longer hours at home.
>
>> Anyone not available on videocam gets fired.
>
>Being in IT, it wasn't really a 9 to 5 type of job. Of course, it was for
>some people, the kind who made it look like they worked all day but
>they were just putting in face time.

Still supposed to be present/available.

>The managers knew who the real workers were.

That statement smacks of managers know who the real ass kissers are.

Telemarketing doesn't mean sitting home in PJs yakking away on
personal calls, watching TV, surfing the net, doing newsgroups,
tending to rugrats, transporting kids here there and everywhere,
visiting with neighbors, taking 3 hour shopping breaks with the alibi
it was lunch, or even cooking dinner. Telecommuters are expected to
put in their full eight hours plus spend what would be their normal
commuting time and then some on the job, otherwise simply travel into
the office.

Good managers know who the real goof offs are, they're those who pat
themselves on the back.

On Mon, 31 May 2010 23:07:30 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> wrote:

>On 5/30/2010 12:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> "brooklyn1" > wrote
>>>
>>> Woulda been easy, the rig is a mile from the leak... shoulda been
>>> plugged automatically/instantly, same as how automatic fire control
>>> systems operate. The plugging apparatus should be in place before
>>> they begin drilling, same as there are brakes on a vehical before it
>>> needs to stop, same reason fighter pilots wear a parachute before they
>>> take off.
>>
>> It "supposedly" was in place but did not work. It will be interesting to
>> find out the details and who was dumb, who was paid off, who made the
>> bad decisions, who was asleep at the wheel.
>>
>> Once that is determined as fact, criminal charges should be brought
>> about. The reality is the effects of this spill will be decades long,
>> maybe centuries.
>
>Yeah, good policy--anytime something breaks, even if it was nobody's
>fault, put somebody in jail.
>
>You don't know what went wrong. It might have been something beyond
>anybody's control.

That's what seven year olds think when their baseball goes through a
picture window. Katrina was beyond anybodys control, oil spills are
always a result of human decision... I take it the word responsibility
is not in your vocabulary.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 31 May 2010 22:48:59 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:

>> There were people who would be unreachable on a regular basis
>> which could be annoying. But the idea wasn't really if you were
>> sitting in front of your pc all day, it was Did you get your work
>> done.
>>
>> Some people definitely took advantage of telecommuting, but I found
>> that I worked longer hours at home.
>>
>>> Anyone not available on videocam gets fired.
>>
>> Being in IT, it wasn't really a 9 to 5 type of job. Of course, it
>> was for some people, the kind who made it look like they worked all
>> day but
>> they were just putting in face time.
>
> Still supposed to be present/available.

You were expected to send out a note if you were going to be
away for a stretch of time.
>
>> The managers knew who the real workers were.
>
> That statement smacks of managers know who the real ass kissers are.

They know results. If you got your work done, managing wasn't
about forcing you to sit in a chair for a certain length of time.
That was the province of the really bad managers.

> Telemarketing doesn't mean sitting home in PJs yakking away on
> personal calls, watching TV, surfing the net, doing newsgroups,
> tending to rugrats, transporting kids here there and everywhere,
> visiting with neighbors, taking 3 hour shopping breaks with the alibi
> it was lunch, or even cooking dinner.

Nope. Unless you were getting your work done in off hours.

> Telecommuters are expected to
> put in their full eight hours plus spend what would be their normal
> commuting time and then some on the job,

Screw that. It was how it worked out, often, but it most certainly
wasn't expected.

> otherwise simply travel into the office.

For what? To not see the other people who were working from
home?

> Good managers know who the real goof offs are, they're those who pat
> themselves on the back.

Sing it. You just have to read their (always on time) status report
where every tiny accomplishment looked like a massive chore
completed.

nancy

On Mon, 31 May 2010 15:52:00 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 30 May 2010 19:34:40 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> brooklyn1 > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Woulda been easy, the rig is a mile from the leak... shoulda been
>>>> plugged automatically/instantly, same as how automatic fire control
>>>> systems operate. The plugging apparatus should be in place before
>>>> they begin drilling, same as there are brakes on a vehical before it
>>>> needs to stop, same reason fighter pilots wear a parachute before they
>>>> take off. People who think like you (who don't think) is why the gulf
>>>> is ****ed. And the ****ing has only just begun, they haven't a clue.
>>>
>>> The safety mechanisms were in place. They failed. Foul play has not been
>>> ruled out yet.
>>
>> so you think it was a sabotage conspiracy? on the part of whom, the
>> socialist obama or environazis?
>>
>> blake
>
> Blake, do you even listen to the News???

no one except ****ing not cases believes this was deliberate. if your
talking about rush kimbuagh, that ain't news.

but let's see a cite. should be fun, we haven't heard from *world net
daily* in a while.

blake

On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 07:37:50 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:

> Telecommuters are expected to
> put in their full eight hours plus spend what would be their normal
> commuting time and then some on the job,

um, what?

blake

On Mon, 31 May 2010 23:10:15 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:

> On 5/30/2010 9:04 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 May 2010 17:54:25 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Some other countries require the off shore operations to be equipped
>>> with remote control safety valves. The US does not. Big Oil lobbied
>>> successfully to make sure the US did not make regulations mandating
>>> them.
>>
>> Yes indeed! Time magazine has an article by Joe Klein on that.
>>
>>> They argued that it wasn't worth the $500,000 per site. That half
>>> million dollars is going to look like a bargain by the time this mess is
>>> cleaned up.
>>
>> So far, I'm very skeptical that BP will keep all of their promises
>> after the oil leak has been stopped. It will become another lawyer's
>> game of deciding what "is" is.
>
> The 500K per site wouldn't have done diddly. All it does is provide an
> alternative method of manually actuating the blowout preventer. The
> blowout preventer is broken. You could send it every signal in the
> universe with your 500K gadget and it still wouldn't work.
>>

maybe so, maybe not. but it looks like cheaping out on the device is going
to cost BP many, many multiples of 500 thousand.

blake

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> There were people who would be unreachable on a regular basis
> which could be annoying. But the idea wasn't really if you were sitting
> in front of your pc all day, it was Did you get your work done.
> Some people definitely took advantage of telecommuting, but I found
> that I worked longer hours at home.
>> Anyone not available on videocam gets fired.


I was working out of my house for a while to prepare for a course that I
was teaching. I needed a computer and we didn't have on in our office,
other than the terminals that were set up for other tasks. I put in
longer days than I would have in the office and I got a hell of a lot
more done.



> Being in IT, it wasn't really a 9 to 5 type of job. Of course, it was for
> some people, the kind who made it look like they worked all day but
> they were just putting in face time. The managers knew who the
> real workers were.

Some people are good at making it look like they are working but just
don't produce much. They specialize in looking busy.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> Awoke this morning to wave upon wave of cacophonous honking over my
> roof...
>
> I counted 120:
> http://i49.tinypic.com/2nk5n9g.jpg
>
> Was fortunate enough to catch them leaving:
> http://i49.tinypic.com/67p8wh.jpg
>
> http://i49.tinypic.com/240yadd.jpg
>
> Amazing, made my day.

Of course, I thought you were going to speak of a rooster! It is
lovely to see (and hear) nature in action. And think of all that
natural fertilizer!

--
Jean B.

Stu wrote:

> When I worked for the military our buildings were a favorite spot to
> set up nests around, plenty of cover and water not far. Some nights
> while checking the buildings I'd come around the side and damn near
> fall on my head with all the natural fertilizer ;o) on the ground.
> Then the parents would hiss and attempt to run me off, as I was too
> close to the nests. Got to the point where they didn't bother with me
> anymore, and I got great shots of the babies and nests, but you still
> had to watch you didn't get too close (believe me the wings hurt).
>
> And when you've several hundred Canada Geese milling about, the amount
> of poop as amazing.


Whatever goes in one end comes out the other, and they eat a lot. A guy
down the road has a nice green lawn because it is so well fertilized,
but her hates walking on it because it is always covered in goose shit.
The people next to us have gone to great lengths to keep geese out of
their pond. They had a contractor come out and lay a sheet of garden
cloth around the perimeter of the pond and then a layer of riprak <sp?
(big rocks) to discourage them. The shit does a number on the water and
makes it hard for other species to survive in it.

On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 11:31:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Stu wrote:
>
>> When I worked for the military our buildings were a favorite spot to
>> set up nests around, plenty of cover and water not far. Some nights
>> while checking the buildings I'd come around the side and damn near
>> fall on my head with all the natural fertilizer ;o) on the ground.
>> Then the parents would hiss and attempt to run me off, as I was too
>> close to the nests. Got to the point where they didn't bother with me
>> anymore, and I got great shots of the babies and nests, but you still
>> had to watch you didn't get too close (believe me the wings hurt).
>>
>> And when you've several hundred Canada Geese milling about, the amount
>> of poop as amazing.
>
>
>Whatever goes in one end comes out the other, and they eat a lot. A guy
>down the road has a nice green lawn because it is so well fertilized,
>but her hates walking on it because it is always covered in goose shit.
> The people next to us have gone to great lengths to keep geese out of
>their pond. They had a contractor come out and lay a sheet of garden
>cloth around the perimeter of the pond and then a layer of riprak <sp?
>(big rocks) to discourage them. The shit does a number on the water and
>makes it hard for other species to survive in it.

This is absolutely ridiculous... like other species don't shit.

I'd rather a million geese shitting out their ass than one politician
shitting out its mouth.

brooklyn1 wrote:

>>> And when you've several hundred Canada Geese milling about, the amount
>>> of poop as amazing.
>>
>> Whatever goes in one end comes out the other, and they eat a lot. A guy
>> down the road has a nice green lawn because it is so well fertilized,
>> but her hates walking on it because it is always covered in goose shit.
>> The people next to us have gone to great lengths to keep geese out of
>> their pond. They had a contractor come out and lay a sheet of garden
>> cloth around the perimeter of the pond and then a layer of riprak <sp?
>> (big rocks) to discourage them. The shit does a number on the water and
>> makes it hard for other species to survive in it.
>
> This is absolutely ridiculous... like other species don't shit.

They are big birds and they hang around in large numbers. There are lots
of wild critters roaming around this area and I see the occasional scat,
but where the geese hang out there is a lot of it.

> I'd rather a million geese shitting out their ass than one politician
> shitting out its mouth.


Politicians aren't the only people who shit through their mouths. You
could take a lesson from them.

Stu wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:15:23 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> Awoke this morning to wave upon wave of cacophonous honking over my
>>> roof...
>>>
>>> I counted 120:
>>> http://i49.tinypic.com/2nk5n9g.jpg
>>>
>>> Was fortunate enough to catch them leaving:
>>> http://i49.tinypic.com/67p8wh.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i49.tinypic.com/240yadd.jpg
>>>
>>> Amazing, made my day.
>> Of course, I thought you were going to speak of a rooster! It is
>> lovely to see (and hear) nature in action. And think of all that
>> natural fertilizer!
>
> When I worked for the military our buildings were a favorite spot to
> set up nests around, plenty of cover and water not far. Some nights
> while checking the buildings I'd come around the side and damn near
> fall on my head with all the natural fertilizer ;o) on the ground.
> Then the parents would hiss and attempt to run me off, as I was too
> close to the nests. Got to the point where they didn't bother with me
> anymore, and I got great shots of the babies and nests, but you still
> had to watch you didn't get too close (believe me the wings hurt).
>
> And when you've several hundred Canada Geese milling about, the amount
> of poop as amazing.

I can only begin to imagine that!

I especially like to see ma a pa goose herding the little ones.

--
Jean B.

On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:06:41 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

>Stu wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:15:23 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> Awoke this morning to wave upon wave of cacophonous honking over my
>>>> roof...
>>>>
>>>> I counted 120:
>>>> http://i49.tinypic.com/2nk5n9g.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Was fortunate enough to catch them leaving:
>>>> http://i49.tinypic.com/67p8wh.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://i49.tinypic.com/240yadd.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Amazing, made my day.
>>> Of course, I thought you were going to speak of a rooster! It is
>>> lovely to see (and hear) nature in action. And think of all that
>>> natural fertilizer!
>>
>> When I worked for the military our buildings were a favorite spot to
>> set up nests around, plenty of cover and water not far. Some nights
>> while checking the buildings I'd come around the side and damn near
>> fall on my head with all the natural fertilizer ;o) on the ground.
>> Then the parents would hiss and attempt to run me off, as I was too
>> close to the nests. Got to the point where they didn't bother with me
>> anymore, and I got great shots of the babies and nests, but you still
>> had to watch you didn't get too close (believe me the wings hurt).
>>
>> And when you've several hundred Canada Geese milling about, the amount
>> of poop as amazing.
>
>I can only begin to imagine that!

Yoose exaggerate, I haven't gotten any goose poop on my shoes yet...
easy enough to walk around, unless yer the type feels more to home
when you step in shit.

Canada geese are strict vegetarians, what exits geese is no different
from what exists my mulching mower. Goose excrement has no odor and
decomposes totally back into the soil within 3-4 days... if it rains
it dissolves within an hour. I only wish I could train them to eat
more uniformly so I wouldn't need to mow. I'd much rather see rugrats
and pet dogs romping on goose pooped turf than in that chemical
crapola folks spread on their lawns, trek into their homes, and
breathe its dust. And large flocks of geese don't hang around more
than a day or two, they have their goose pow wows and more on. Geese
are very territorial, each year I have the same two pair here all
summer, once their nests are ready they shoo away all the interlopers.
Yoose ascared of a little critter poop had best remain in your urban
ghettos with yer gang bangers and drive bys. I'd be amazed any of
yoose squeamish mimis ever get laid... ewww, it gets all
gooey-slimey... and oral is totally out of the question, it's only a
nose length away from that poop chute! LOL-LOL

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

On 6/1/2010 9:02 AM, Stu wrote:
> On Mon, 31 May 2010 23:07:30 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> > wrote:
>
>> On 5/30/2010 12:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> > wrote
>>>>
>>>> Woulda been easy, the rig is a mile from the leak... shoulda been
>>>> plugged automatically/instantly, same as how automatic fire control
>>>> systems operate. The plugging apparatus should be in place before
>>>> they begin drilling, same as there are brakes on a vehical before it
>>>> needs to stop, same reason fighter pilots wear a parachute before they
>>>> take off.
>>>
>>> It "supposedly" was in place but did not work. It will be interesting to
>>> find out the details and who was dumb, who was paid off, who made the
>>> bad decisions, who was asleep at the wheel.
>>>
>>> Once that is determined as fact, criminal charges should be brought
>>> about. The reality is the effects of this spill will be decades long,
>>> maybe centuries.
>>
>> Yeah, good policy--anytime something breaks, even if it was nobody's
>> fault, put somebody in jail.
>>
>> You don't know what went wrong. It might have been something beyond
>> anybody's control.
>
> I think the whole premise of his argument is that BP talked the
> government out of forcing them to install a $500,000 automatic oil
> shutoff valve, the same shutoff valve that all other drilling rigs had
> to have installed. This was not brought to light until the BP drilling
> rig had a fire and subsequent catastrophic oil spill which is on
> going.

That may be his argument but if so his argument is bullshit. The valve
was present. It didn't work. Sending sound signals at it, which is
what the 500,000 buck gadget does, would have done as much good as
clicking your remote at the TV when the power's off.

The valve went bust. Nobody knows why the valve went bust, but it did.
They sent a submarine down to work the manual controls and that didn't
work either--if that didn't work then what makes you think that making
noise at it would have worked?

If anybody is at fault, it's not BP for using an industry-standard
valve, it's the manufacturer of the valve.

> Remember I said this here... BP will go bankrupt soon and not be able
> to continue the well capping or cleanup.

Why would the company with the fourth largest revenue in the world
suddenly go bankrupt?

On 6/2/2010 2:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>>>> And when you've several hundred Canada Geese milling about, the amount
>>>> of poop as amazing.
>>>
>>> Whatever goes in one end comes out the other, and they eat a lot. A
>>> guy down the road has a nice green lawn because it is so well
>>> fertilized, but her hates walking on it because it is always covered
>>> in goose shit. The people next to us have gone to great lengths to
>>> keep geese out of their pond. They had a contractor come out and lay
>>> a sheet of garden cloth around the perimeter of the pond and then a
>>> layer of riprak <sp? (big rocks) to discourage them. The shit does a
>>> number on the water and makes it hard for other species to survive in
>>> it.
>>
>> This is absolutely ridiculous... like other species don't shit.
>
> They are big birds and they hang around in large numbers. There are lots
> of wild critters roaming around this area and I see the occasional scat,
> but where the geese hang out there is a lot of it.
>
>> I'd rather a million geese shitting out their ass than one politician
>> shitting out its mouth.
>
>
> Politicians aren't the only people who shit through their mouths. You
> could take a lesson from them.

Anybody who thinks that goose shit isn't a problem should visit the
University of Connecticut in Storrs and look for a place to sit down on
the lawn around "Mirror Lake", known to the students as "duck shit
pond". Expect to learn the origin of the term "goosed".

On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:59:44 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> I'd rather a million geese shitting out their ass than one politician
> shitting out its mouth.

i think i'd take the politicians over you.

blake

On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:48:53 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> wrote:

> Anybody who thinks that goose shit isn't a problem should visit the
> University of Connecticut in Storrs and look for a place to sit down on
> the lawn around "Mirror Lake", known to the students as "duck shit
> pond". Expect to learn the origin of the term "goosed".

Try sitting on any city park bench - which is usually covered in
pigeon poop or beach benches which are usually covered in sea gull
poop. <shrug> Birds poop, it's what they do.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

brooklyn1 wrote:

>>> And when you've several hundred Canada Geese milling about, the amount
>>> of poop as amazing.
>> I can only begin to imagine that!
>
> Yoose exaggerate, I haven't gotten any goose poop on my shoes yet...
> easy enough to walk around, unless yer the type feels more to home
> when you step in shit.
>
> Canada geese are strict vegetarians, what exits geese is no different
> from what exists my mulching mower.

Not entirely true. They are primarily herbivores but, like chickens,
they also eat small insects.

> Goose excrement has no odor and
> decomposes totally back into the soil within 3-4 days...


Bullshit.... or goose shit in this case. There are piles of it along the
trail where we walk our dogs every day and I have been seeing those dame
piles there for the last three weeks. They are getting smaller and
darker, but they are still there. We have had several hard rains in the
last few weeks and they are still there.

Janet Baraclough > wrote:

> Few birds poop like geese.

Correct. At least, few birds that have become feral in
cities and towns as well as all over the countryside.


Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>
> > Few birds poop like geese.
>
> Correct. At least, few birds that have become feral in
> cities and towns as well as all over the countryside.

Feral means an animal that was domesticated
but returned to the wild. I don't think formerly
domesticated geese are much of a problem anywhere.