On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:36:43 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

> You have to read the manual, not every oven has racks that should
> stay in. Probably most should come out.

I don't think any manual says they *should* stay in. Mine says to
take them out. It also says if you don't they will lose the shine -
not be as good at gliding a cookie sheet. I left them in, I don't
bother oiling them or whatever someone said to do and I don't have
problems with friction. <shrug> I'm sorry whoever it was had that
problem with saggy oven racks, but that hasn't been my experience.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On 06/09/10 12:50 PM, sometime in the recent past brooklyn1 posted this:
> On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:01:45 -0400, >
> wrote:
>
>> On 06/08/10 11:17 PM, sometime in the recent past brooklyn1 posted this:
>>> On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:03:50 -0400, >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
>>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
>>>> night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
>>>> interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
>>>> peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless, but the glass inside the
>>>> door still has much schmutz all over it. I want to get this thing
>>>> spotless... any tricks? Will spray on cleaner get the door looking new
>>>> again? Perhaps a razor to the glass would help those baked on gooey
>>>> splatters?
>>>> Please advise if you have any other ideas?
>>>
>>> Safety razor works best.
>>
>> Perhaps the oven door glass is tempered enough not to scratch, but I've used
>> a razor on a window once before - emphasis on once. Scratched the hell out
>> of the glass.
>
> You used a blade dull as your IQ.
Why not just put a piece of foil under the rack, dipshit.
>
>> That said, self-cleaning ovens are the dumbest, laziest, most energy
>> consuming feature you can have on a home appliance. Oh yeah, let me run my
>> oven at over 500F for 4 hours while I take a drive in the country.
>
> Costs less than a can of oven cleaner, saves your health not breathing
> those fumes, and saves your skin by not scrubbing lye, and normal
> brained folks would much rather do something more enjoyable for that
> hour of cleaning... and you exaggerate, auto clean only runs 2
> hours... nearly as much time is cool down. Doesn't use nearly as much
> energy as the pinheads who regularly bake one potato or run an oven
> twice a week full on for 40 minutes just for one small crappy frozen
> pizza what ain't as good as Pizza Hut, or a few frozen fries, and they
> do this on the hottest summer days when the AC is full on. How often
> does one run the auto clean cycle anyway? In over ten years I ran
> mine once... and I use my oven but I know how to minimize spatter to
> practically zero... the kitchen slobs over fill bakeware and are too
> miserly to buy properly sized roasting pans. I suggest folks who live
> in cold climes run the self clean cycle in winter, it heats your
> house... I don't use my oven in summer, that's what outdoor grills are
> for. Today is an unusually cold day for this time of year here in the
> Catskills, only 51ºF, and looks like rain so the house is cold and
> damp... decided to cook a spiral sliced ham... the few pennies worth
> of propane to cook a ham at 325ºF for two hours made my house much
> more comfy... and this ham cost $21, not a 30¢ tater what needs a good
> hour at 400ºF.
There ya go, just thinking about yourself. And you bought a spiral ham, talk
about IQ.
>
> This time I decided to use the glaze packet, I like it but my cats
> don't... won't be using it again.
>
>


--
Wilson 44.69, -67.3

On 06/09/10 12:56 PM, sometime in the recent past Goomba posted this:
> Wilson wrote:
>
>> That said, self-cleaning ovens are the dumbest, laziest, most energy
>> consuming feature you can have on a home appliance. Oh yeah, let me
>> run my oven at over 500F for 4 hours while I take a drive in the country.
>>
>> News at 11. lol
>>
>
> Well, we all pick and choose are battles and stands. I'm sure you do
> something I'd consider dumb, lazy and wasteful too. We just don't know
> what it is, eh?
Ya mean like replying to your post, eh?

--
Wilson 44.69, -67.3

Wilson wrote:
> On 06/09/10 12:50 PM, sometime in the recent past brooklyn1 posted this:

>>> Perhaps the oven door glass is tempered enough not to scratch, but
>>> I've used
>>> a razor on a window once before - emphasis on once. Scratched the
>>> hell out
>>> of the glass.
>>
>> You used a blade dull as your IQ.
> Why not just put a piece of foil under the rack, dipshit.

Because you don't want to impede the flow of hot air with the wall of
foil. Of course, perhaps you don't notice, as you heat up your corn
dogs. But those who bake would.

On Jun 9, 7:55*pm, Goomba > wrote:
> Wilson wrote:
> > On 06/09/10 12:50 PM, sometime in the recent past brooklyn1 posted this:
> >>> Perhaps the oven door glass is tempered enough not to scratch, but
> >>> I've used
> >>> a razor on a window once before - emphasis on once. Scratched the
> >>> hell out
> >>> of the glass.
>
> >> You used a blade dull as your IQ.

A sharp blade, used carefully and gently, scratches glass only
minimally.

> > Why not just put a piece of foil under the rack, dipshit.
>
> Because you don't want to impede the flow of hot air with the wall of
> foil. *Of course, perhaps you don't notice, as you heat up your corn
> dogs. But those who bake would.

That's very true. A regular oven depends a lot on convection, and gas
ovens are designed to balance the radiant, conductive and convective
heat. Foil screws that up.

--Bryan

On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:01:45 -0400, Wilson >
wrote:

>Oh yeah, let me run my
>oven at over 500F for 4 hours while I take a drive in the country.

I thought it was more like 800F.

--
Zilbandy

On Jun 9, 8:01*am, Wilson > wrote:
> On 06/08/10 11:17 PM, sometime in the recent past brooklyn1 posted this:> On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:03:50 -0400, >
> > wrote:
>
> >> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
> >> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
> >> night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
> >> interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
> >> peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless, but the glass inside the
> >> door still has much schmutz all over it. I want to get this thing
> >> spotless... any tricks? Will spray on cleaner get the door looking new
> >> again? *Perhaps a razor to the glass would help those baked on gooey
> >> splatters?
> >> Please advise if you have any other ideas?
>
> > Safety razor works best.
>
> Perhaps the oven door glass is tempered enough not to scratch, but I've used
> a razor on a window once before - emphasis on once. Scratched the hell out
> of the glass.
>
> That said, self-cleaning ovens are the dumbest, laziest, most energy
> consuming feature you can have on a home appliance. Oh yeah, let me run my
> oven at over 500F for 4 hours while I take a drive in the country.
>
> News at 11. lol
>
> --
> Wilson 44.69, -67.3

Oven door glass IS tempered glass - pretty hard to scratch if you use
a single-edge razor scraper correctly. I also use one on my glass
cooktop.

N.

On Jun 9, 7:49*am, Janet Baraclough >
wrote:
> The message >
> from Goomba > contains these words:
>
> > After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
> > decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
> > night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
> > interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
> > peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless, but the glass inside the
> > door still has much schmutz all over it. I want to get this thing
> > spotless... any tricks? Will spray on cleaner get the door looking new
> > again? *Perhaps a razor to the glass would help those baked on gooey
> > splatters?
> > Please advise if you have any other ideas?
>
> * *I'd be wary of the razor idea in case the glass was manufactured with
> a special surface.
>
> * *My oven has a twin-layer glass door window, and the inner one is
> removable (instructions in handbook) *for cleaning.
> * *The best cleaner I've tried, is *Oven Pride stuff where you put the
> oven part in a provided plastic bag, add the chemical and seal. Take it
> out and all grot rinses off.
> * *Effortless and highly effective but it mustnt touch any seals.
>
> * *If your door-glass doesn't detach you might try *a spray-on *cleaning
> prep you can buy to get tar off the *inside of glass doors on
> woodstoves.
>
> * *Janet.

I've never seen a USA oven door that has glass with a special
surface. Razor scrapers work universally great if you know how to use
one.

N.

On Jun 9, 10:50*am, George Shirley > wrote:
> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > Goomba wrote:
> >> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
> >> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
> >> night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
> >> interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
> >> peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
>
> > Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have to
> > come out. They're shiny metal.
>
> > nancy
>
> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the racks or
> they will, at the least, discolor.

I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.

N.

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:09:14 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 wrote:

> On Jun 9, 10:50*am, George Shirley > wrote:
>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
>>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
>>>> night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
>>>> interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
>>>> peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
>>
>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have to
>>> come out. They're shiny metal.
>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the racks or
>> they will, at the least, discolor.
>
> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
> out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.
>
> N.

i'm gonna tell the people at *house beautiful*!

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:09:14 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 wrote:
>
>> On Jun 9, 10:50 am, George Shirley > wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
>>>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
>>>>> night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
>>>>> interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
>>>>> peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
>>>
>>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have to
>>>> come out. They're shiny metal.
>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the racks or
>>> they will, at the least, discolor.
>>
>> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
>> out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.
>>
>> N.
>
> i'm gonna tell the people at *house beautiful*!

lol
--
--
https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:44:26 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:09:14 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 wrote:
>
> > On Jun 9, 10:50*am, George Shirley > wrote:
> >> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>
> >>> Goomba wrote:
> >>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
> >>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
> >>>> night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
> >>>> interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
> >>>> peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
> >>
> >>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have to
> >>> come out. They're shiny metal.
> >>
> >>> nancy
> >>
> >> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the racks or
> >> they will, at the least, discolor.
> >
> > I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
> > out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.
> >
> > N.
>
> i'm gonna tell the people at *house beautiful*!
>

At least you're not telling Dad. Dad reads the instruction manual and
treats the oven like he treats his new car. Mom just says, I'm not
going to clean those things if all I need to do is leave them in the
oven and let the self-cleaning cycle have at it.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

Nancy2 wrote:
> On Jun 9, 10:50 am, George Shirley > wrote:
>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
>>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as
>>>> the night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on
>>>> unattended I interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon
>>>> after was able to peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
>>
>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have
>>> to come out. They're shiny metal.

>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the
>> racks or they will, at the least, discolor.
>
> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
> out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.

To be clear: When I described mine as shiny metal, I was describing
what kind of racks are most likely supposed to be removed. Shiny
metal as opposed to black porcelain/cast iron/whatever. I personally
couldn't care less if my racks are shiny, as a matter of fact, I don't
bother cleaning them at all.

In my previous oven, the one where I assumed the racks stayed in,
it's not that they bent or broke, I just noticed that when I put a heavy
pot on them after that first cleaning, there was some give that there
wasn't before. I assume that if I continued to put them through
self-clean, they would deteriorate in strength. Maybe others would
not notice the change, it was apparent to me.

I just learned to read the manual before assuming anything.

nancy

On 6/11/2010 1:10 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
>> On Jun 9, 10:50 am, George Shirley > wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
>>>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as
>>>>> the night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on
>>>>> unattended I interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon
>>>>> after was able to peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
>>>
>>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have
>>>> to come out. They're shiny metal.
>
>>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the
>>> racks or they will, at the least, discolor.
>>
>> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
>> out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.
>
> To be clear: When I described mine as shiny metal, I was describing
> what kind of racks are most likely supposed to be removed. Shiny metal
> as opposed to black porcelain/cast iron/whatever. I personally
> couldn't care less if my racks are shiny, as a matter of fact, I don't
> bother cleaning them at all.
>
> In my previous oven, the one where I assumed the racks stayed in,
> it's not that they bent or broke, I just noticed that when I put a heavy
> pot on them after that first cleaning, there was some give that there
> wasn't before. I assume that if I continued to put them through
> self-clean, they would deteriorate in strength. Maybe others would
> not notice the change, it was apparent to me.
> I just learned to read the manual before assuming anything.
> nancy

You're sure you're not my wife in disguise? She never reads the manual
on anything, says that's my job and then I must teach her whatever she
needs to know about the equipment. I have a friend who buys new stuff
and then throws the manual away with the box, he says learning to use
the new stuff is intuitive. Then he calls me a month later and asks
where he can get a manual for it. Some people never learn.

On 6/11/2010 1:39 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 11 Jun 2010 11:10:24a, Nancy Young told us...
>
>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>> On Jun 9, 10:50 am, George > wrote:
>>>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all
>>>>>> over, I decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven.
>>>>>> Seeing as the night is getting late and I don't want to leave
>>>>>> this on unattended I interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours
>>>>>> and soon after was able to peek in. The walls and racks are
>>>>>> near spotless,
>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine
>>>>> have to come out. They're shiny metal.
>>
>>>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the
>>>> racks or they will, at the least, discolor.
>>>
>>> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't
>>> get out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.
>>
>> To be clear: When I described mine as shiny metal, I was
>> describing what kind of racks are most likely supposed to be
>> removed. Shiny metal as opposed to black porcelain/cast
>> iron/whatever. I personally couldn't care less if my racks are
>> shiny, as a matter of fact, I don't bother cleaning them at all.
>>
>> In my previous oven, the one where I assumed the racks stayed in,
>> it's not that they bent or broke, I just noticed that when I put a
>> heavy pot on them after that first cleaning, there was some give
>> that there wasn't before. I assume that if I continued to put
>> them through self-clean, they would deteriorate in strength.
>> Maybe others would not notice the change, it was apparent to me.
>>
>> I just learned to read the manual before assuming anything.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
> I guess it depends on the manufacturer and exactly what material they
> chose for their racks. Some will weaken a bit and others dont.
> Having said that, when I owned a Frigidaire s/c range, the racks did
> weaken a bit and turned a slightly bluish color. For that model,
> Frigidaire hada available commercvial weight racks. I ordered them
> because I often put rather heavy items on the rack; e.g., a large
> LeCreuset lidded "oven". With the commercial weight racks I never
> had this problem. Too bad that most other manufacturers don't offer
> this type of rack.
>

I have a Frigidaire self-cleaning gas stove, a refrigerator and a
freezer from them. I've never had a problem with their equipment that
they couldn't fix or have a spare part for. Now GE and their many brands
they make, that's a different story. Brand new washing machine and the
time knob doesn't work, called them to come and fix it over a month ago
and no one has shown up. Went to Repair Parts Clinic.com, found a
diagram, found the part number, ordered my own parts and fixed it
myself. Sent the bill to the dealer to forward to GE, fat chance I'll
ever see that seventy bucks. Ain't worth suing over so I'll just bad
mouth them everywhere.

George Shirley wrote:

> You're sure you're not my wife in disguise? She never reads the manual
> on anything, says that's my job and then I must teach her whatever she
> needs to know about the equipment. I have a friend who buys new stuff
> and then throws the manual away with the box, he says learning to use
> the new stuff is intuitive. Then he calls me a month later and asks
> where he can get a manual for it. Some people never learn.

My wife never pays much attention to manuals. It seems that it is my job
to read the manual and then explain it to her. I keep all my manuals
together in a file cabinet. Every once in a while I have to go through
it to purge the old ones for things I no longer own.

They come in handy. A few months ago I had a problem with my burr coffee
grinder. It was sounding bogged down and nothing was coming out. Thanks
to the troubleshooting chart I checked the little chute from the grinder
to the cannister and saw that it was jammed with finely ground coffee. I
stuck something in to clear it out and the thing worked great.

On Jun 11, 9:44*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:09:14 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 wrote:
> > On Jun 9, 10:50*am, George Shirley > wrote:
> >> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >>> Goomba wrote:
> >>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
> >>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
> >>>> night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
> >>>> interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
> >>>> peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
>
> >>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have to
> >>> come out. They're shiny metal.
>
> >>> nancy
>
> >> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the racks or
> >> they will, at the least, discolor.
>
> > I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
> > out of shape or anything. *Big woop. *It's my oven.
>
> > N.
>
> i'm gonna tell the people at *house beautiful*!
>
> your pal,
> blake- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Okay, then, I'm gonna say I lied. ;-)

N.

On Jun 11, 2:16*pm, George Shirley > wrote:
> On 6/11/2010 1:10 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Nancy2 wrote:
> >> On Jun 9, 10:50 am, George Shirley > wrote:
> >>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >>>> Goomba wrote:
> >>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
> >>>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as
> >>>>> the night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on
> >>>>> unattended I interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon
> >>>>> after was able to peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
>
> >>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have
> >>>> to come out. They're shiny metal.
>
> >>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the
> >>> racks or they will, at the least, discolor.
>
> >> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
> >> out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.
>
> > To be clear: When I described mine as shiny metal, I was describing
> > what kind of racks are most likely supposed to be removed. Shiny metal
> > as opposed to black porcelain/cast iron/whatever. I personally
> > couldn't care less if my racks are shiny, as a matter of fact, I don't
> > bother cleaning them at all.
>
> > In my previous oven, the one where I assumed the racks stayed in,
> > it's not that they bent or broke, I just noticed that when I put a heavy
> > pot on them after that first cleaning, there was some give that there
> > wasn't before. I assume that if I continued to put them through
> > self-clean, they would deteriorate in strength. Maybe others would
> > not notice the change, it was apparent to me.
> > I just learned to read the manual before assuming anything.
> > nancy
>
> You're sure you're not my wife in disguise? She never reads the manual
> on anything, says that's my job and then I must teach her whatever she
> needs to know about the equipment. I have a friend who buys new stuff
> and then throws the manual away with the box, he says learning to use
> the new stuff is intuitive. Then he calls me a month later and asks
> where he can get a manual for it. Some people never learn.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Really, most manuals can be found online nowadays.

N.

On Jun 11, 2:19*pm, George Shirley > wrote:
> On 6/11/2010 1:39 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri 11 Jun 2010 11:10:24a, Nancy Young told us...
>
> >> Nancy2 wrote:
> >>> On Jun 9, 10:50 am, George > *wrote:
> >>>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >>>>> Goomba wrote:
> >>>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all
> >>>>>> over, I decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven.
> >>>>>> Seeing as the night is getting late and I don't want to leave
> >>>>>> this on unattended I interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours
> >>>>>> and soon after was able to peek in. The walls and racks are
> >>>>>> near spotless,
>
> >>>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine
> >>>>> have to come out. They're shiny metal.
>
> >>>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the
> >>>> racks or they will, at the least, discolor.
>
> >>> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't
> >>> get out of shape or anything. *Big woop. *It's my oven.
>
> >> To be clear: *When I described mine as shiny metal, I was
> >> describing what kind of racks are most likely supposed to be
> >> removed. *Shiny metal as opposed to black porcelain/cast
> >> iron/whatever. *I personally couldn't care less if my racks are
> >> shiny, as a matter of fact, I don't bother cleaning them at all.
>
> >> In my previous oven, the one where I assumed the racks stayed in,
> >> it's not that they bent or broke, I just noticed that when I put a
> >> heavy pot on them after that first cleaning, there was some give
> >> that there wasn't before. *I assume that if I continued to put
> >> them through self-clean, they would deteriorate in strength.
> >> Maybe others would not notice the change, it was apparent to me.
>
> >> I just learned to read the manual before assuming anything.
>
> >> nancy
>
> > I guess it depends on the manufacturer and exactly what material they
> > chose for their racks. *Some will weaken a bit and others dont.
> > Having said that, when I owned a Frigidaire s/c range, the racks did
> > weaken a bit and turned a slightly bluish color. *For that model,
> > Frigidaire hada available commercvial weight racks. *I ordered them
> > because I often put rather heavy items on the rack; e.g., a large
> > LeCreuset lidded "oven". *With the commercial weight racks I never
> > had this problem. *Too bad that most other manufacturers don't offer
> > this type of rack.
>
> I have a Frigidaire self-cleaning gas stove, a refrigerator and a
> freezer from them. I've never had a problem with their equipment that
> they couldn't fix or have a spare part for. Now GE and their many brands
> they make, that's a different story. Brand new washing machine and the
> time knob doesn't work, called them to come and fix it over a month ago
> and no one has shown up. Went to Repair Parts Clinic.com, found a
> diagram, found the part number, ordered my own parts and fixed it
> myself. Sent the bill to the dealer to forward to GE, fat chance I'll
> ever see that seventy bucks. Ain't worth suing over so I'll just bad
> mouth them everywhere.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That's called "the rule of 250." Everyone knows at least 250 people
and each of those people knows another 250 people and so on - you can
do a lot of damage by a single bad experience, just be telling the 250
people you know - or even some of them.

N.

On Jun 11, 2:25*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> George Shirley wrote:
> > You're sure you're not my wife in disguise? She never reads the manual
> > on anything, says that's my job and then I must teach her whatever she
> > needs to know about the equipment. I have a friend who buys new stuff
> > and then throws the manual away with the box, he says learning to use
> > the new stuff is intuitive. Then he calls me a month later and asks
> > where he can get a manual for it. Some people never learn.
>
> My wife never pays much attention to manuals. It seems that it is my job
> to read the manual and then explain it to her. I keep all my manuals
> together in a file cabinet. Every once in a while I have to go through
> it to purge the old ones for things I no longer own.
>
> They come in handy. A few months ago I had a problem with my burr coffee
> grinder. It was sounding bogged down and nothing was coming out. Thanks
> to the troubleshooting chart I checked the little chute from the grinder
> to the cannister and saw that it was jammed with finely ground coffee. I
> stuck something in to clear it out and the thing worked great.

I keep all my receipts, manuals, original stickers, etc., in a single
accordian file with an elastic-banded flap - I always know where they
are.

N.

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
> On Jun 11, 9:44 am, blake murphy > wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:09:14 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 wrote:
>> > On Jun 9, 10:50 am, George Shirley > wrote:
>> >> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> >>> Goomba wrote:
>> >>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
>> >>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
>> >>>> night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
>> >>>> interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
>> >>>> peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
>>
>> >>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have
>> >>> to
>> >>> come out. They're shiny metal.
>>
>> >>> nancy
>>
>> >> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the racks
>> >> or
>> >> they will, at the least, discolor.
>>
>> > I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
>> > out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.
>>
>> > N.
>>
>> i'm gonna tell the people at *house beautiful*!
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Okay, then, I'm gonna say I lied. ;-)

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"Nancy Young" wrote:

>Nancy2 wrote:
>> On Jun 9, 10:50 am, George Shirley > wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
>>>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as
>>>>> the night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on
>>>>> unattended I interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon
>>>>> after was able to peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
>>>
>>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have
>>>> to come out. They're shiny metal.
>
>>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the
>>> racks or they will, at the least, discolor.
>>
>> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
>> out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.
>
>To be clear: When I described mine as shiny metal, I was describing
>what kind of racks are most likely supposed to be removed. Shiny
>metal as opposed to black porcelain/cast iron/whatever. I personally
>couldn't care less if my racks are shiny, as a matter of fact, I don't
>bother cleaning them at all.
>
>In my previous oven, the one where I assumed the racks stayed in,
>it's not that they bent or broke, I just noticed that when I put a heavy
>pot on them after that first cleaning, there was some give that there
>wasn't before. I assume that if I continued to put them through
>self-clean, they would deteriorate in strength. Maybe others would
>not notice the change, it was apparent to me.
>
>I just learned to read the manual before assuming anything.
>
>nancy

Anything you want to know about your rack ask me.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 11 Jun 2010 01:15:41p, Stu told us...
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>> > wrote:

>>> I keep all my receipts, manuals, original stickers, etc., in a
>>> single accordian file with an elastic-banded flap - I always know
>>> where they are.

>> That's scary, I keep mine in a box accordion, never lost one in 40
>> yrs.

> We also do the same, but we do weed them out for items we no longer
> have.

There are two things I don't know how I ever did without. Well, I
know, it's just How many hours of my life did I waste looking for
manuals or important papers? An accordian file for manuals, labeled
by room, and a small fire safe labeled by type of documents. I feel
so organized just thinking about it. (laugh)

nancy

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 11 Jun 2010 03:47:18p, Nancy Young told us...

>> There are two things I don't know how I ever did without. Well, I
>> know, it's just How many hours of my life did I waste looking for
>> manuals or important papers? An accordian file for manuals, labeled
>> by room, and a small fire safe labeled by type of documents. I feel
>> so organized just thinking about it. (laugh)

> Our accordian file has the same contents, but the dividers are
> labeled by category instead of room.

Made me look! After kitchen, which covers a lot of manuals, it is
mostly by TVs, washer/dryer, heating/cooling. Ahem, I even have a
category for paint colors. Heh. I'll be damned if I'm going to go crazy
remembering my house is stained Leather Saddle Brown.

> I've had a small safe (about
> the size of a 2 ft cube) for many years.
>
> I learned early. :-) As far back as I can remember my dad had a
> safe the size of an average refrigerator. After he passed away, my
> mother and I felt it was time to take an inventory of its contents.
> We found receipts, contracts, manuals, titles, and various other
> documents dating back to 1932, 5 years before their marriage. We
> didn't know whether to laugh or cry... 90% were obsolete.

I guess it would be interesting to see all the stuff and how much it
cost way back when. Me, I'd be afraid some guy would come in
to clean the carpets or something, see that huge safe and think it
had 100 grand in cash in there. Me, paranoid? Heh.

nancy

In article
>,
Nancy2 > wrote:

> Oven door glass IS tempered glass - pretty hard to scratch if you use
> a single-edge razor scraper correctly. I also use one on my glass
> cooktop.
>
> N.

One actually came with my glasstop stove, to be used to clean it. It
also came with a small bottle of ceramic polish.

Works a treat. :-)

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:41:43 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Fri 11 Jun 2010 07:44:26a, blake murphy told us...
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:09:14 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 9, 10:50*am, George Shirley > wrote:
>>>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all
>>>>>> over, I decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven.
>>>>>> Seeing as the night is getting late and I don't want to leave
>>>>>> this on unattended I interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours
>>>>>> and soon after was able to peek in. The walls and racks are
>>>>>> near spotless,
>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine
>>>>> have to come out. They're shiny metal.
>>>>
>>>>> nancy
>>>>
>>>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the
>>>> racks or they will, at the least, discolor.
>>>
>>> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't
>>> get out of shape or anything. Big woop. It's my oven.
>>>
>>> N.
>>
>> i'm gonna tell the people at *house beautiful*!
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>>
>
> You should report it directly to the source, the Rack Police!

are they like the chest inspectors?

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:16:22 -0500, George Shirley wrote:

> On 6/11/2010 1:10 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> In my previous oven, the one where I assumed the racks stayed in,
>> it's not that they bent or broke, I just noticed that when I put a heavy
>> pot on them after that first cleaning, there was some give that there
>> wasn't before. I assume that if I continued to put them through
>> self-clean, they would deteriorate in strength. Maybe others would
>> not notice the change, it was apparent to me.
>> I just learned to read the manual before assuming anything.
>> nancy
>
> You're sure you're not my wife in disguise? She never reads the manual
> on anything, says that's my job and then I must teach her whatever she
> needs to know about the equipment. I have a friend who buys new stuff
> and then throws the manual away with the box, he says learning to use
> the new stuff is intuitive. Then he calls me a month later and asks
> where he can get a manual for it. Some people never learn.

'they' say men never read instructions (and by extension, manuals), but i
do, and try to save them all. i might not follow them, but i think it's
helpful to know 'the rules' before you start ****ing around.

still don't bother with warranty cards for the most part (though i will
register if you can do it on-line.)

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 wrote:

> On Jun 11, 9:44*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:09:14 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 wrote:
>>> On Jun 9, 10:50*am, George Shirley > wrote:
>>>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
>>>>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
>>>>>> night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
>>>>>> interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
>>>>>> peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
>>
>>>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have to
>>>>> come out. They're shiny metal.
>>
>>>>> nancy
>>
>>>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the racks or
>>>> they will, at the least, discolor.
>>
>>> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
>>> out of shape or anything. *Big woop. *It's my oven.
>>
>>> N.
>>
>> i'm gonna tell the people at *house beautiful*!
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake- Hide quoted text -
>>

> Okay, then, I'm gonna say I lied. ;-)
>
> N.

wait just a minute! no one lies on usenet.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:58:32 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 wrote:
>
> > On Jun 11, 9:44*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:09:14 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 wrote:
> >>> On Jun 9, 10:50*am, George Shirley > wrote:
> >>>> On 6/9/2010 6:48 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> Goomba wrote:
> >>>>>> After roasting a chicken tonight and having it splatter all over, I
> >>>>>> decided to test out the self clean feature on my oven. Seeing as the
> >>>>>> night is getting late and I don't want to leave this on unattended I
> >>>>>> interrupted the cleaning after 1.75 hours and soon after was able to
> >>>>>> peek in. The walls and racks are near spotless,
> >>
> >>>>> Are you sure you're supposed to leave the racks in there? Mine have to
> >>>>> come out. They're shiny metal.
> >>
> >>>>> nancy
> >>
> >>>> My Frigidaire gas range with self-cleaning oven says remove the racks or
> >>>> they will, at the least, discolor.
> >>
> >>> I have left mine in - my choice - yes, they discolor, but don't get
> >>> out of shape or anything. *Big woop. *It's my oven.
> >>
> >>> N.
> >>
> >> i'm gonna tell the people at *house beautiful*!
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake- Hide quoted text -
> >>
>
> > Okay, then, I'm gonna say I lied. ;-)
> >
> > N.
>
> wait just a minute! no one lies on usenet.
>
She could take the fifth.

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