On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:29:59 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:20:16 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>> Of course. Where else? I haven't used Windoze since *before* I took over
>> as webmistress.
>
> Now we've come full circle.

Not exactly. It's a case of "it just works (tm)".

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:29:59 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:20:16 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>> Of course. Where else? I haven't used Windoze since *before* I took over
>> as webmistress.
>
> Now we've come full circle.

Not exactly. It's a case of "it just works (tm)".

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:29:59 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:20:16 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>> Of course. Where else? I haven't used Windoze since *before* I took over
>> as webmistress.
>
> Now we've come full circle.

Not exactly. It's a case of "it just works (tm)".

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:29:59 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:20:16 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>> Of course. Where else? I haven't used Windoze since *before* I took over
>> as webmistress.
>
> Now we've come full circle.

Not exactly. It's a case of "it just works (tm)".

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:52:50 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:29:59 -0700, sf wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:20:16 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Of course. Where else? I haven't used Windoze since *before* I took over
> >> as webmistress.
> >
> > Now we've come full circle.
>
> Not exactly. It's a case of "it just works (tm)".

4 hiccups.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:15:21 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:52:50 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:29:59 -0700, sf wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:20:16 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Of course. Where else? I haven't used Windoze since *before* I took over
>> >> as webmistress.
>> >
>> > Now we've come full circle.
>>
>> Not exactly. It's a case of "it just works (tm)".
>
> 4 hiccups.

What can I say? My NSP had a "special offer" on today - 4 for the price of
one ;-)

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 19:02:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:15:21 -0700, sf wrote:
>
> >
> > 4 hiccups.
>
> What can I say? My NSP had a "special offer" on today - 4 for the price of
> one ;-)

If volume counts, you're making out like a bandit.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

This is how I deal with recipes:

For recipes on RFC, using Thunderbird as my newsreader, I click on
File >save as and the folder for the recipes I'm saving automatically
pops u[ in Word Perfect. I usually put a number '1' in front of the
title so I know that I haven't put it into one of my cookbooks yet.


To put it in a cookbook, I open Mastercook, then the appropriate
cookbook, highlight and copy the recipe, open a "new recipe" go to
"tools" and click "import assistant" paste the recipe there and then
save it to mastercook.

I can make any necessary changes (usually spacing in the directions)
right in the import assistant feature.

If it's a recipe on one of many, many internet sites, I use the
Recipefox extension on Firefox. I love this!

If I am copying a cookbook, I use my scanner and free OCR software
(better than the scanner's), scanning to Word Perfect, correcting
anything that didn't scan properly and using the import assistant on
Mastercook to put it in the proper cookbook.

This works for me. Less paperwork and the ability to use the search
features on Mastercook which I couldn't do with a looseleaf or with a
word processing file.

JMTCW


--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

"Janet Wilder" wrote

> This is how I deal with recipes:

Snippies made

> This works for me. Less paperwork and the ability to use the search
> features on Mastercook which I couldn't do with a looseleaf or with a word
> processing file.

Hey, if it works for you! I use good old MealMaster. Much simpler than
your steps but then, I am really used to MM.

On 6/25/2010 3:53 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:17:18 -0500, Janet Wilder
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> sf wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:26:15 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-06-24, sf > wrote:
>>>>>> I just discovered by accident that if you're saving a Word document
>>>>>> (recipe), hit F12 and the last folder you saved to comes up
>>>>>> instantly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't know!
>>>>> What's a "Word document"?
>>>>>
>>>> You don't use Microsoft anymore.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't. I use Word Perfect which will open and create Word (*.doc)
>>> files for me very nicely. I also use Open Office which is free.
>>>
>>> I need a "grown-up" word processor. Word is fine, if you've never
>>> used anything else. Once you have, Word just doesn't cut it. JMHO
>>
>> I have both Open Office and Word Perfect. HATE both of them and think
>> Word is the grown up word processor.
>>
>
> My guess is that you only need a very basic word processor. Open Office
> and Word Perfect are more sophisticated and do a lot more things, but
> they do require a learning curve.

What things would those be?

> I have used Microsoft Word on other people's computers and I always get
> so frustrated because the tools I normally use just aren't there.
>

On 6/26/2010 2:43 AM, jack wrote:
> sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:53:20 -0500, Janet Wilder
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> My guess is that you only need a very basic word processor. Open
>>> Office and Word Perfect are more sophisticated and do a lot more
>>> things, but they do require a learning curve.
>>>
>>> I have used Microsoft Word on other people's computers and I always
>>> get so frustrated because the tools I normally use just aren't there.
>>
>> Your feelings about Word are mine toward the other two. They simply
>> can not do what Word does.
>>
> All the major word processors now have roughly the same functionality,
> it's just that the controls to accomplish it are different. If one is
> used to WordPerfect, working with Word becomes a prolonged 'it should be
> able to do this, but where the ^&$@ did they hide that function?'
> experience and vice versa.
>
> That aside, like or dislike for one of the other probably goes back to
> the philosophy behind them - WordPerfect started out as a no-frills word
> processor for writing structured content (legalese, manuals etc.) and
> Word started out as a 'we can make your letter look sooooo pretty, look
> we can use 17 different fonts in one paragraph' thing to compete with
> MacWrite. Which functions are 'easy' and which ones are 'there, but you
> have to look for it' is still a legacy of that difference.

The big thing with Word is the style sheets, which, if you know how to
use them, are wonderful and if you don't then you struggle with it.
That's one of the things that makes it popular with the corporate
types--the marketing weenies can define a style sheet, the IT department
can promulgate it, and everybody's letters have the corporate "look".
If they decide to change the "look" they just change the style sheet.

On 6/25/2010 4:14 PM, Stu wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:53:20 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:17:18 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:26:15 GMT, > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2010-06-24, > wrote:
>>>>>>> I just discovered by accident that if you're saving a Word document
>>>>>>> (recipe), hit F12 and the last folder you saved to comes up instantly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't know!
>>>>>> What's a "Word document"?
>>>>>>
>>>>> You don't use Microsoft anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I don't. I use Word Perfect which will open and create Word (*.doc)
>>>> files for me very nicely. I also use Open Office which is free.
>>>>
>>>> I need a "grown-up" word processor. Word is fine, if you've never used
>>>> anything else. Once you have, Word just doesn't cut it. JMHO
>>>
>>> I have both Open Office and Word Perfect. HATE both of them and think
>>> Word is the grown up word processor.
>>>
>>
>> My guess is that you only need a very basic word processor. Open Office
>> and Word Perfect are more sophisticated and do a lot more things, but
>> they do require a learning curve.
>>
>> I have used Microsoft Word on other people's computers and I always get
>> so frustrated because the tools I normally use just aren't there.
>
> I have the Office (professional) 2007 suite on here, as it gets newer
> and bigger, it gets more complicated to use. Thank god Kath uses it at
> work.

They took a step backward with 2007 IMO--the "ribbon" needs a lot of
relearning when you've been working with customized toolbars.

On Jun 25, 7:36*am, Tracy > wrote:
> On Jun 24, 3:42*pm, sf > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
>
> > > wrote:
> > > sf wrote:
> > > > I just discovered by accident that if you're saving a Word document
> > > > (recipe), hit F12 and the last folder you saved to comes up instantly.
>
> > > > I didn't know!
>
> > > That's good to know.
>
> > I usually save a .doc via "save as", *but hit F12 by accident and my
> > recipe file flew open. *I checked it out and by golly you can skip
> > "save as". *You have to navigate the tree on your first save though.
>
> > > Mine always end up in the Documents folder and then I have to
> > > sort through all the other stuff in there.
>
> > You save them in My Documents? *Do you know how to create a folder
> > with subfolders? *If you don't want to plop it onto your C drive, you
> > can put it on your desktop. *I can help you with that the next time I
> > see you in chat, here or by email, if you'd like to know how.
>
> My husband teaches an intro to computers class at the local continuing
> education program. It's a two night course for beginner computer
> users. Students fill out a simple evaluation at the end where they are
> given the opportunity to say how they liked or didn't like the course.
> One of his first students wrote that the best/coolest thing she
> learned was how to make folders.
>
>

Sad to say, but my parents don't know how to create a folder. They are
lucky if they can find the folder. If it doesn't open to the folder
they need, they can't find it. My mom has learned to use the search
function, which will sometimes find what she is looking for. But I
have the email on a different drive, and some of the files she works
with came in as attachments.Most of the "missing" files are in the
attachments folder. If I am helping her with a file, I will save it
to the folder she can find. I've tried explaining that it is like a
family tree, you have to go back up the tree and find the correct
branch. But it is challenging for them.


I'm pretty impressed if they call with a computer question, and I can
talk them through it with success without too much confusion. I have
to go step by step, and very clearly describe what they are seeing.
And I have to be careful what I say. If I say don't click the red x,
they will immediately click it. And to them "enter" and "return" are
not the same thing.

Some things I cannot talk them through. Their email virus scanner
sometimes gets stuck on a particular email. I can access the email on
the server via a webpage and just delete the offending email. But I
have not been able to get them to use that program, even when showing
them in person. Thankfully, I can do that from any computer with web
access.

J. Clarke wrote:
> On 6/25/2010 3:53 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:17:18 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:26:15 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2010-06-24, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>> I just discovered by accident that if you're saving a Word document
>>>>>>> (recipe), hit F12 and the last folder you saved to comes up
>>>>>>> instantly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't know!
>>>>>> What's a "Word document"?
>>>>>>
>>>>> You don't use Microsoft anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I don't. I use Word Perfect which will open and create Word (*.doc)
>>>> files for me very nicely. I also use Open Office which is free.
>>>>
>>>> I need a "grown-up" word processor. Word is fine, if you've never
>>>> used anything else. Once you have, Word just doesn't cut it. JMHO
>>>
>>> I have both Open Office and Word Perfect. HATE both of them and think
>>> Word is the grown up word processor.
>>>
>>
>> My guess is that you only need a very basic word processor. Open Office
>> and Word Perfect are more sophisticated and do a lot more things, but
>> they do require a learning curve.
>
> What things would those be?


Creating macros is probably the hardest. The program does come with a
whole bunch of stuff already programmed like newsletters, calendars,
letterhead. Very easy to work with. I am often doing newsletters for
organizations and the ability to do them on WP then "publish" them to a
*pdf for emailing is something that I just love. I have several
graphics programs that do newsletters, but none that give me the freedom
that WP does.

I also do calendars for the family as holiday gifts and use photos from
our travels for each month. WP lets me customize each calendar for each
set of families with remarkable ease compared to even a specific-purpose
calender.

The creation of mailing lists and databases is very, very easy. From
data list to lets say a label sheet is just a step.

I love the "reveal codes" feature and that's what I really miss with Word.



--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:34:41 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
> The big thing with Word is the style sheets, which, if you know how to
> use them, are wonderful and if you don't then you struggle with it.
> That's one of the things that makes it popular with the corporate
> types--the marketing weenies can define a style sheet, the IT department
> can promulgate it, and everybody's letters have the corporate "look". If
> they decide to change the "look" they just change the style sheet.

Well, the Open Office Word Processor has templates/styles sheets too. And
I use them - often. And yes, it's a nifty feature...

However, in the corporate environment, getting users to make use of said
templates/style sheets every time they create a new document is often
easier said than done; trust me I know. Most users make use of a
template/style sheet - once - and from then on they just keep using the
"Save as..." option from the initial Word document they created to create
the next one - and so on. Of course, that works fine 99% of the time, but
I distinctly remember having to help a user recover a (MS) Word document
at 10pm one night because he'd done that one time too many and the (60-odd
page) document he was working on had become "corrupted" - i.e. when he
tried to print it, it bombed Word out completely.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On 6/27/2010 3:39 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:34:41 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>> The big thing with Word is the style sheets, which, if you know how to
>> use them, are wonderful and if you don't then you struggle with it.
>> That's one of the things that makes it popular with the corporate
>> types--the marketing weenies can define a style sheet, the IT department
>> can promulgate it, and everybody's letters have the corporate "look". If
>> they decide to change the "look" they just change the style sheet.
>
> Well, the Open Office Word Processor has templates/styles sheets too. And
> I use them - often. And yes, it's a nifty feature...
>
> However, in the corporate environment, getting users to make use of said
> templates/style sheets every time they create a new document is often
> easier said than done; trust me I know. Most users make use of a
> template/style sheet - once - and from then on they just keep using the
> "Save as..." option from the initial Word document they created to create
> the next one - and so on. Of course, that works fine 99% of the time, but
> I distinctly remember having to help a user recover a (MS) Word document
> at 10pm one night because he'd done that one time too many and the (60-odd
> page) document he was working on had become "corrupted" - i.e. when he
> tried to print it, it bombed Word out completely.

I hate it when that happens.

But with Word, if you change the Normal.dot then any document made with
Normal.dot will change accordingly.

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:53:38 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:

> On 6/27/2010 3:39 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:34:41 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> The big thing with Word is the style sheets, which, if you know how to
>>> use them, are wonderful and if you don't then you struggle with it.
>>> That's one of the things that makes it popular with the corporate
>>> types--the marketing weenies can define a style sheet, the IT department
>>> can promulgate it, and everybody's letters have the corporate "look". If
>>> they decide to change the "look" they just change the style sheet.
>>
>> Well, the Open Office Word Processor has templates/styles sheets too. And
>> I use them - often. And yes, it's a nifty feature...
>>
>> However, in the corporate environment, getting users to make use of said
>> templates/style sheets every time they create a new document is often
>> easier said than done; trust me I know. Most users make use of a
>> template/style sheet - once - and from then on they just keep using the
>> "Save as..." option from the initial Word document they created to create
>> the next one - and so on. Of course, that works fine 99% of the time, but
>> I distinctly remember having to help a user recover a (MS) Word document
>> at 10pm one night because he'd done that one time too many and the (60-odd
>> page) document he was working on had become "corrupted" - i.e. when he
>> tried to print it, it bombed Word out completely.
>
> I hate it when that happens.
>
> But with Word, if you change the Normal.dot then any document made with
> Normal.dot will change accordingly.

Again, works the same way in Open Office; if you fiddle with the default
template (and save the changes to it) it is there for future use. However,
if you don't bother to find out how to do that (on either application)
it's a moot point.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On 6/26/2010 5:42 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 6/25/2010 3:53 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> sf wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:17:18 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:26:15 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2010-06-24, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>> I just discovered by accident that if you're saving a Word document
>>>>>>>> (recipe), hit F12 and the last folder you saved to comes up
>>>>>>>> instantly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't know!
>>>>>>> What's a "Word document"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't use Microsoft anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't. I use Word Perfect which will open and create Word (*.doc)
>>>>> files for me very nicely. I also use Open Office which is free.
>>>>>
>>>>> I need a "grown-up" word processor. Word is fine, if you've never
>>>>> used anything else. Once you have, Word just doesn't cut it. JMHO
>>>>
>>>> I have both Open Office and Word Perfect. HATE both of them and think
>>>> Word is the grown up word processor.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My guess is that you only need a very basic word processor. Open Office
>>> and Word Perfect are more sophisticated and do a lot more things, but
>>> they do require a learning curve.
>>
>> What things would those be?
>
>
> Creating macros is probably the hardest.

Uh, Word has a "record macro" button and once the macro is recorded if
you need to modify it there's a very capable subset of Visual Basic
available to you. So it is not correct to say that Open Office and Word
Perfect are more capable in that regard, although they may have less of
a learning curve.

> The program does come with a
> whole bunch of stuff already programmed like newsletters, calendars,
> letterhead. Very easy to work with. I am often doing newsletters for
> organizations and the ability to do them on WP then "publish" them to a
> *pdf for emailing is something that I just love.

<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=f1fc413c-6d89-4f15-991b-63b07ba5f2e5&displaylang=en>

> I have several graphics
> programs that do newsletters, but none that give me the freedom that WP
> does.

What can you do in a newsletter in Word Perfect that you can't with Word?

> I also do calendars for the family as holiday gifts and use photos from
> our travels for each month. WP lets me customize each calendar for each
> set of families with remarkable ease compared to even a specific-purpose
> calender.

Never tried to do calendars--WP might be more capable there. But what
kind of customization do you want to do that is difficult with Word?

> The creation of mailing lists and databases is very, very easy. From
> data list to lets say a label sheet is just a step.

And this is different in Word how?

> I love the "reveal codes" feature and that's what I really miss with Word.

Why? The only use I ever had for "reveal codes" in Word Perfect was
when a code got deleted. Never had that problem with Word.

On Jun 25, 4:24*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:10:04 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>
> > wrote:
>
> > I don't like Word, either. *I prefer vi.
>
> I had to look it up. *Linux. *"Primitive" was the word used, but I
> can't argue with that because I like simple... I just want a few other
> functions too.

Linux. Pah. Linux is a johnny-come-lately OS.

Still, I'm happy that our company is developing a product for
Linux. Gets me back to a usable command line. I've hated
Windows since the first day I used it.

Cindy Hamilton

On Jun 26, 5:16*am, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> sf wrote:
> > Good grief. *Both of you sound like rank armatures.
>
> Twice in this thread you used the word "armature." Are you SURE that's the
> word you mean?
>
> Bob

She was probably "helped" by Word's automatic spellcheck.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:53:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> Gets me back to a usable command line. I've hated
> Windows since the first day I used it.

Opposite reaction from me. I remember the first day I used windows.
The heavens opened, the sun shined brightly and there was a choir
singing from above.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Jun 26, 5:16*am, "Bob Terwilliger" >
> wrote:
> > sf wrote:
> > > Good grief. *Both of you sound like rank armatures.
> >
> > Twice in this thread you used the word "armature." Are you SURE that's the
> > word you mean?
> >
> > Bob
>
> She was probably "helped" by Word's automatic spellcheck.
>
What's worse is how on earth would I spell amateur so badly that I
needed help from spell check in the first place?


--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Jun 28, 1:47*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>
> > wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 5:16 am, "Bob Terwilliger" >
> > wrote:
> > > sf wrote:
> > > > Good grief. Both of you sound like rank armatures.
>
> > > Twice in this thread you used the word "armature." Are you SURE that's the
> > > word you mean?
>
> > > Bob
>
> > She was probably "helped" by Word's automatic spellcheck.
>
> What's worse is how on earth would I spell amateur so badly that I
> needed help from spell check in the first place?

I blame your fingers, not your spelling skills.

For example, I have to be careful when typing "pronunciation",
because my brain always wants me to spell it "pronounciation".
Or possibly the muscle memory in my fingers is the culprit,
since I have no trouble pronouncing pronunciation.

Cindy

sf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> > She was probably "helped" by Word's automatic spellcheck.
> >
> What's worse is how on earth would I spell amateur so badly that I
> needed help from spell check in the first place?

You were probably having a solenoid moment.

On 6/28/2010 12:44 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:53:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> Gets me back to a usable command line. I've hated
>> Windows since the first day I used it.
>
> Opposite reaction from me. I remember the first day I used windows.
> The heavens opened, the sun shined brightly and there was a choir
> singing from above.
>

A kindred soul. In he 70's I was using DOS for an inventory system
that my employer was initiating..... and at the same time, a payroll and
HR program. Drove me crazy.

The first time I saw Windows 3.0, I thought I had died and gone to Heaven.

I know it isn't fashionable to like Windows... but I love it. I have
friends who are trying to get me to switch to Ubuntu... but why bother.
I like what I have.

George L

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:45:34 -0500, George Leppla
> wrote:

> I know it isn't fashionable to like Windows... but I love it. I have
> friends who are trying to get me to switch to Ubuntu... but why bother.
> I like what I have.

High five's George L!

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Jun 28, 2:45*pm, George Leppla > wrote:
> On 6/28/2010 12:44 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:53:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > *wrote:
>
> >> Gets me back to a usable command line. *I've hated
> >> Windows since the first day I used it.
>
> > Opposite reaction from me. *I remember the first day I used windows.
> > The heavens opened, the sun shined brightly and there was a choir
> > singing from above.
>
> A kindred soul. *In he *70's I was using DOS for an inventory system
> that my employer was initiating..... and at the same time, a payroll and
> HR program. *Drove me crazy.
>
> The first time I saw Windows 3.0, I thought I had died and gone to Heaven..
>
> I know it isn't fashionable to like Windows... but I love it. *I have
> friends who are trying to get me to switch to Ubuntu... but why bother.
> * I like what I have.
>
> George L

Well, it certainly takes all kinds. I can make the Unix shell sit up
and do tricks, but Windows just sits there staring at me, waiting for
me to click in the wrong place and do something I didn't want it to
do. Or worse, click in the right place, and have to reassure it that
I really did want to do that.

Pretty soon, we're going to have a religious war on our hands.
Let's agree to disagree (or at least we can all gang up on those
Mac *******s.)

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:21:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> Pretty soon, we're going to have a religious war on our hands.
> Let's agree to disagree (or at least we can all gang up on those
> Mac *******s.)

Heh! All it takes is a common enemy to settle small differences.

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In article
>,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> On Jun 25, 4:24*pm, sf > wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:10:04 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't like Word, either. *I prefer vi.
> >
> > I had to look it up. *Linux. *"Primitive" was the word used, but I
> > can't argue with that because I like simple... I just want a few other
> > functions too.
>
> Linux. Pah. Linux is a johnny-come-lately OS.
>
> Still, I'm happy that our company is developing a product for
> Linux. Gets me back to a usable command line. I've hated
> Windows since the first day I used it.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Please ask your company to fix Sunquest LIS (aka "Smart term") to dump
the dammed DOS and turn it into a REAL computer program with a software
update!
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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:53:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > Gets me back to a usable command line. I've hated
> > Windows since the first day I used it.
>
> Opposite reaction from me. I remember the first day I used windows.
> The heavens opened, the sun shined brightly and there was a choir
> singing from above.

I hate DOS and command lines!
Too damned much memory work.

I like programs that are intuitive like Mysis and HLLC. :-)
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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > On Jun 26, 5:16*am, "Bob Terwilliger" >
> > wrote:
> > > sf wrote:
> > > > Good grief. *Both of you sound like rank armatures.
> > >
> > > Twice in this thread you used the word "armature." Are you SURE that's the
> > > word you mean?
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > She was probably "helped" by Word's automatic spellcheck.
> >
> What's worse is how on earth would I spell amateur so badly that I
> needed help from spell check in the first place?

Sleep deprivation? <g>
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In article
>,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> On Jun 28, 2:45*pm, George Leppla > wrote:
> > On 6/28/2010 12:44 PM, sf wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:53:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > *wrote:
> >
> > >> Gets me back to a usable command line. *I've hated
> > >> Windows since the first day I used it.
> >
> > > Opposite reaction from me. *I remember the first day I used windows.
> > > The heavens opened, the sun shined brightly and there was a choir
> > > singing from above.
> >
> > A kindred soul. *In he *70's I was using DOS for an inventory system
> > that my employer was initiating..... and at the same time, a payroll and
> > HR program. *Drove me crazy.
> >
> > The first time I saw Windows 3.0, I thought I had died and gone to Heaven.
> >
> > I know it isn't fashionable to like Windows... but I love it. *I have
> > friends who are trying to get me to switch to Ubuntu... but why bother.
> > * I like what I have.
> >
> > George L
>
> Well, it certainly takes all kinds. I can make the Unix shell sit up
> and do tricks, but Windows just sits there staring at me, waiting for
> me to click in the wrong place and do something I didn't want it to
> do. Or worse, click in the right place, and have to reassure it that
> I really did want to do that.
>
> Pretty soon, we're going to have a religious war on our hands.
> Let's agree to disagree (or at least we can all gang up on those
> Mac *******s.)
>
> Cindy Hamilton

<chuckles> I'm Bi-OS. ;-)
I like windows and now own a laptop running windows 7, but am fluent in
Mac-ese... and still own my I-mac.

And now I have to learn to play footsies with DOS at work! <sigh>
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:44:01 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 26, 5:16*am, "Bob Terwilliger" >
> > > wrote:
> > > > sf wrote:
> > > > > Good grief. *Both of you sound like rank armatures.
> > > >
> > > > Twice in this thread you used the word "armature." Are you SURE that's the
> > > > word you mean?
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > > She was probably "helped" by Word's automatic spellcheck.
> > >
> > What's worse is how on earth would I spell amateur so badly that I
> > needed help from spell check in the first place?
>
> Sleep deprivation? <g>

Sorry to say, but the one I saw happened at noon. I can only suppose
it was a combination of bad eyes (those letters are tiny) and
inattention to the list. A jumpy cursor can account for one, but not
both times.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Well, it certainly takes all kinds. I can make the Unix shell sit up
> and do tricks, but Windows just sits there staring at me, waiting for
> me to click in the wrong place and do something I didn't want it to
> do. Or worse, click in the right place, and have to reassure it that
> I really did want to do that.

One time some of my folks asked why I use the command line all the time.
One day we needed to add 3 print queues to 50 machines at once. I asked
who wanted to do it how. Person A signed up to wander the halls and add
all 3 to each machine. Person B signed up to sit at her own machine and
run the GUI remotely. I asked them to check in every 10 minutes. Then
I used the GUI on the 3 machines that were cabled to the printers to add
the queues there. Then I typed in a loop to add the first queue on the
other 49. Command line edit for the next 49. Command line edit for the
next 49. At the first check in call the other two folks reported the
queue was already there on a lot of hosts. I invited them to my desk to
look at my screen.

The GUI works extremely well for lots of do-it-once stuff. For the
rest, hire Cindy or me. ;^)

> Pretty soon, we're going to have a religious war on our hands.

Nah. In recipes it's gueyduck or gooey duck. Either one wins.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:44:01 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jun 26, 5:16*am, "Bob Terwilliger" >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > sf wrote:
> > > > > > Good grief. *Both of you sound like rank armatures.
> > > > >
> > > > > Twice in this thread you used the word "armature." Are you SURE
> > > > > that's the
> > > > > word you mean?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > She was probably "helped" by Word's automatic spellcheck.
> > > >
> > > What's worse is how on earth would I spell amateur so badly that I
> > > needed help from spell check in the first place?
> >
> > Sleep deprivation? <g>
>
> Sorry to say, but the one I saw happened at noon. I can only suppose
> it was a combination of bad eyes (those letters are tiny) and
> inattention to the list. A jumpy cursor can account for one, but not
> both times.

Typos happen... and most people ignore them. I usually do unless they
are too funny to pass up. :-) I like puns and word play too much.
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On 06/28/2010 02:46 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In article
> >,
> Cindy > wrote:

>>
>> Well, it certainly takes all kinds. I can make the Unix shell sit up
>> and do tricks, but Windows just sits there staring at me, waiting for
>> me to click in the wrong place and do something I didn't want it to
>> do. Or worse, click in the right place, and have to reassure it that
>> I really did want to do that.

Or shut my whole system down in the middle of the night without my
permission, losing anything I may have left unsaved. Fun times, fun times.

>>
>> Pretty soon, we're going to have a religious war on our hands.
>> Let's agree to disagree (or at least we can all gang up on those
>> Mac *******s.)

Heh.

>
> <chuckles> I'm Bi-OS. ;-)

I guess that makes me pan-OS. :-)

> I like windows and now own a laptop running windows 7, but am fluent in
> Mac-ese... and still own my I-mac.
>
> And now I have to learn to play footsies with DOS at work!<sigh>

Let's see: at home I/we have two dual-boot Ubuntu/XP machines (the kid
also has a dual-boot Ubuntu/Vista (ptui!) box); an iMac; an iPad; an
iPod Touch; an eeePC running Ubuntu; and an XP box. At work, I use the
latest iMac, but if I choose (I rarely do), I can run Parallels on that
machine and do Windows-y stuff.

And somewhere around here, I think we have a machine James is going to
put tinyLinux on, and use it as a music server or something.

ObFood: I may set up a webserver for my brand-new food blog, which
should be ready to launch in a week or so.

Serene

In article >,
Serene Vannoy > wrote:

> > <chuckles> I'm Bi-OS. ;-)
>
> I guess that makes me pan-OS. :-)

<giggles>
We need to stay versatile...

>
> > I like windows and now own a laptop running windows 7, but am fluent in
> > Mac-ese... and still own my I-mac.
> >
> > And now I have to learn to play footsies with DOS at work!<sigh>
>
> Let's see: at home I/we have two dual-boot Ubuntu/XP machines (the kid
> also has a dual-boot Ubuntu/Vista (ptui!) box); an iMac; an iPad; an
> iPod Touch; an eeePC running Ubuntu; and an XP box. At work, I use the
> latest iMac, but if I choose (I rarely do), I can run Parallels on that
> machine and do Windows-y stuff.

Technoslut! <lol>

>
> And somewhere around here, I think we have a machine James is going to
> put tinyLinux on, and use it as a music server or something.
>
> ObFood: I may set up a webserver for my brand-new food blog, which
> should be ready to launch in a week or so.
>
> Serene

Oh cool. I'm seriously considering one of those too, with hyperlinks to
an affiliate program.

What server are you using?
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On 06/28/2010 07:28 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> Serene > wrote:
>
>>
>> Let's see: at home I/we have two dual-boot Ubuntu/XP machines (the kid
>> also has a dual-boot Ubuntu/Vista (ptui!) box); an iMac; an iPad; an
>> iPod Touch; an eeePC running Ubuntu; and an XP box. At work, I use the
>> latest iMac, but if I choose (I rarely do), I can run Parallels on that
>> machine and do Windows-y stuff.
>
> Technoslut!<lol>

As my first wife would say, "Technoslut, my ass. SLUT slut."

(Which always kind of makes me laugh, since I've had FAR fewer partners
than most of my monogamous friends have had.)

>
>>
>> And somewhere around here, I think we have a machine James is going to
>> put tinyLinux on, and use it as a music server or something.
>>
>> ObFood: I may set up a webserver for my brand-new food blog, which
>> should be ready to launch in a week or so.
>
> Oh cool. I'm seriously considering one of those too, with hyperlinks to
> an affiliate program.
>
> What server are you using?

I meant that I'm thinking of running my own server on a machine at my
house. Otherwise, I'll probably use 4thebest.com, because my
brother-out-law owns it and will host me for free.

Right now, I'm fixing up my photography setup, trying to choose a blog
software (I've used Wordpress before, but not Typepad -- anyone have any
recommendations?) and writing the first few blog entries. I have a month
of furlough, and this was the project I wanted to get to during my month
off.

Serene

In article >,
Serene Vannoy > wrote:

> On 06/28/2010 07:28 PM, Omelet wrote:
> > In >,
> > Serene > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Let's see: at home I/we have two dual-boot Ubuntu/XP machines (the kid
> >> also has a dual-boot Ubuntu/Vista (ptui!) box); an iMac; an iPad; an
> >> iPod Touch; an eeePC running Ubuntu; and an XP box. At work, I use the
> >> latest iMac, but if I choose (I rarely do), I can run Parallels on that
> >> machine and do Windows-y stuff.
> >
> > Technoslut!<lol>
>
> As my first wife would say, "Technoslut, my ass. SLUT slut."
>
> (Which always kind of makes me laugh, since I've had FAR fewer partners
> than most of my monogamous friends have had.)

<grins>
>
> >
> >>
> >> And somewhere around here, I think we have a machine James is going to
> >> put tinyLinux on, and use it as a music server or something.
> >>
> >> ObFood: I may set up a webserver for my brand-new food blog, which
> >> should be ready to launch in a week or so.
> >
> > Oh cool. I'm seriously considering one of those too, with hyperlinks to
> > an affiliate program.
> >
> > What server are you using?
>
> I meant that I'm thinking of running my own server on a machine at my
> house. Otherwise, I'll probably use 4thebest.com, because my
> brother-out-law owns it and will host me for free.
>
> Right now, I'm fixing up my photography setup, trying to choose a blog
> software (I've used Wordpress before, but not Typepad -- anyone have any
> recommendations?) and writing the first few blog entries. I have a month
> of furlough, and this was the project I wanted to get to during my month
> off.
>
> Serene

I will likely use omni site builder for now, until I find someone else
that is as reliable but less expensive. ;-)

Good luck and good hunting!
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*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

On 06/28/2010 10:00 PM, Omelet wrote:

> I will likely use omni site builder for now, until I find someone else
> that is as reliable but less expensive. ;-)

Wordpress is free, and I like it, but I may go with something else if my
blogging friends make a good case for it.

>
> Good luck and good hunting!

Thanks!

ObFood: James made sandwiches of fresh mozzarella, heirloom tomatoes,
and fresh basil on baguette. Oh. My. God.

Serene