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Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
and over and over, but never gets here now.

I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.

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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:18:55 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
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> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> and over and over, but never gets here now.
>
> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.
>

Check your settings. My FF upgraded yesterday and I have no trouble
with it. I don't use FF for Usenet, but I have an add-on for chat
which works just fine.


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On Jun 24, 1:18*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> and over and over, but never gets here now.
>
> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.
>
> John Kuthe...


Ever since I started using Firefox it happens to me off and on. The
only way I can't get out of it is to reboot my modem.
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On 6/24/2010 10:18 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> and over and over, but never gets here now.
>
> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.
>
> John Kuthe...


You could try using Google Chrome. That browser has a nifty feature
where you can create apps out of web page making your access to Google
Groups a single click process. Cloud computing, here we come!

I don't do that myself. Instead I open the browser and click on one of
the most-used site thumbnails. This is a feature that the other browsers
will have in the future.
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On Jun 24, 3:31*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:18:55 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>
> > wrote:
> > Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> > and over and over, but never gets here now.

>
> > I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.

>
> Check your settings. *My FF upgraded yesterday and I have no trouble
> with it. *I don't use FF for Usenet, but I have an add-on for chat
> which works just fine.


I never changed my FF settings. What setting to you suggest I check?
I've got my FF set to "No proxy", which was a problem my father had
recently when some malware tried setting his FF proxy to something.

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On Jun 24, 3:59*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
> On 6/24/2010 10:18 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> > and over and over, but never gets here now.

>
> > I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.

>
> > John Kuthe...

>
> You could try using Google Chrome. That browser has a nifty feature
> where you can create apps out of web page making your access to Google
> Groups a single click process. Cloud computing, here we come!
>
> I don't do that myself. Instead I open the browser and click on one of
> the most-used site thumbnails. This is a feature that the other browsers
> will have in the future.


I tried Google Chrome and hated it. Sorry, I'm a Firefox guy!

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On 6/24/2010 3:18 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> and over and over, but never gets here now.
>
> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.
>
> John Kuthe...


I had a problem with TBird that was somewhat similar. I deleted all
copies of Tbird and started over and that fixed the problem. You can
probably do the same with Firefox.
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:02:08 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

> On Jun 24, 3:31*pm, sf > wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:18:55 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> > > and over and over, but never gets here now.

> >
> > > I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.

> >
> > Check your settings. *My FF upgraded yesterday and I have no trouble
> > with it. *I don't use FF for Usenet, but I have an add-on for chat
> > which works just fine.

>
> I never changed my FF settings. What setting to you suggest I check?
> I've got my FF set to "No proxy", which was a problem my father had
> recently when some malware tried setting his FF proxy to something.
>

It doesn't matter if you haven't changed anything, sometimes settings
change. That's why you check. If you suspect malware is the problem,
then run a malware detection program and find out. There are plenty
of free ones out there. I use AdAware and CCleaner. Sky uses
Malwarebytes (which found something the other two didn't find for me
one time). After you use that, run a registry booster. I certainly
can't tell you why your copy of FF is doing what it's doing. You
asked if anyone else was having trouble with their update and I am
not.

I can tell you how I'd troubleshoot. First I'd reboot my computer,
which fixes most problems with no further monkeying around. Then I
would open IE and FF and compare their settings. If everything
matched, then I'd run AdAware and CCleaner (I have antivirus
installed, which runs daily). After that, I'd fix my registry. If
non of that worked, I'd reinstall Firefox.

I don't even know if you're using a desktop or laptop. Lately, my
netbook occasionally deselects the internet. Mostly it's after
hibernation or a shutdown, but sometimes I'm in the middle of doing
something.... I have no idea why it happens, but it does and it's not
due to a virus or malware. I just reselect my wireless connection and
I'm good to go. It seemed to be better after I fixed the registry, so
hopefully that problem is history now.

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George Shirley wrote:
> On 6/24/2010 3:18 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
>> and over and over, but never gets here now.
>>
>> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.
>>
>> John Kuthe...

>
> I had a problem with TBird that was somewhat similar. I deleted all
> copies of Tbird and started over and that fixed the problem. You can
> probably do the same with Firefox.


I have had zero problems with (related) Seamonkey.

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On 6/24/2010 11:03 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Jun 24, 3:59 pm, > wrote:
>> On 6/24/2010 10:18 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
>>> and over and over, but never gets here now.

>>
>>> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.

>>
>>> John Kuthe...

>>
>> You could try using Google Chrome. That browser has a nifty feature
>> where you can create apps out of web page making your access to Google
>> Groups a single click process. Cloud computing, here we come!
>>
>> I don't do that myself. Instead I open the browser and click on one of
>> the most-used site thumbnails. This is a feature that the other browsers
>> will have in the future.

>
> I tried Google Chrome and hated it. Sorry, I'm a Firefox guy!
>
> John Kuthe...


Looks like you're an IE8 guy now. Sometimes I'm an IE8 guy too. It makes
me feel dirty. :-)


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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:18:55 -0700, John Kuthe wrote:

> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> and over and over, but never gets here now.


Heh. It's probably a feature, not a bug....

>
> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.


I'm using a *real* newsreader to get here now.
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John Kuthe > wrote:
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> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> and over and over, but never gets here now.
>
> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.


For a long time Firefox has displayed google groups wrong. I check a
few times per year but when I use google I have used IE for a while.
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> John Kuthe > wrote:
>>
>> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
>> and over and over, but never gets here now.
>>
>> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.

>
> For a long time Firefox has displayed google groups wrong. I check a
> few times per year but when I use google I have used IE for a while.


I had the same problem. Go to your options and delete all cookies with
"google groups" in them. solved it for me. Today, in fact.

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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:16:16 -0700, "-a-" > wrote:

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> I had the same problem. Go to your options and delete all cookies with
> "google groups" in them. solved it for me. Today, in fact.


That's a thought. DD always says to "clear cache" when there's a
problem, whatever clear cache means.

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>>
>> I had the same problem. Go to your options and delete all cookies
>> with "google groups" in them. solved it for me. Today, in fact.

>
> That's a thought. DD always says to "clear cache" when there's a
> problem, whatever clear cache means.


Clearing the cookies is different than clearing the cache (unless you clear
EVERYTHING which will include your log-ins, etc.). Ask for help if unclear.
It's not hard, but it's not quite the same thing.



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On 6/24/2010 3:18 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> and over and over, but never gets here now.
>
> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.
>
> John Kuthe...
>


No problems here. Sorry I can't help.

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"John Kuthe" wrote:

> Don't have a usenet news server anymore.


Try astraweb.

Low cost ($10 one time), simple, clean, does binaries.

I like it, you may also.

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"-a-" > wrote in :

> "Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
>
>> John Kuthe > wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
>>> and over and over, but never gets here now.
>>>
>>> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.

>>
>> For a long time Firefox has displayed google groups wrong. I check a
>> few times per year but when I use google I have used IE for a while.

>
> I had the same problem. Go to your options and delete all cookies with
> "google groups" in them. solved it for me. Today, in fact.
>




Thanks for that -a-. Solved it for me too.


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George Shirley > wrote in
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> On 6/24/2010 3:18 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
>> and over and over, but never gets here now.
>>
>> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.
>>
>> John Kuthe...

>
> I had a problem with TBird that was somewhat similar. I deleted all
> copies of Tbird and started over and that fixed the problem. You can
> probably do the same with Firefox.



No, just go into Tools, Options, Privacy, and then in the top box (History)
click on the 'Firefox will'.... (in the drop down menu, select) Use custom
settings for history........ which will bring up some more options.

One of those on the right is Show Cookies.

In the top Find bar, type in Google.

Go through and delete all the cookies with Google in it to start afresh, or
just delete all Googlegroups cookies.



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On Jun 24, 9:09*pm, PL > wrote:
> George Shirley > wrote om:
>
> > On 6/24/2010 3:18 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >> Anyone else have this happen? Firefox just goes "Redirecting..." over
> >> and over and over, but never gets here now.

>
> >> I'm using Internet Exploder to get here now.

>
> >> John Kuthe...

>
> > I had a problem with TBird that was somewhat similar. I deleted all
> > copies of Tbird and started over and that fixed the problem. You can
> > probably do the same with Firefox.

>
> No, just go into Tools, Options, Privacy, and then in the top box (History)
> click on the 'Firefox will'.... (in the drop down menu, select) Use custom
> settings for history........ which will bring up some more options.
>
> One of those on the right is Show Cookies.
>
> In the top Find bar, type in Google.
>
> Go through and delete all the cookies with Google in it to start afresh, or
> just delete all Googlegroups cookies.


Thanks Peter! I cleared EVERYTHING and now ,y Firefox works again to
get to GoogleGroups.

I'm posting with my Firefox now!

Kudos to you mate! ;-) (I've a little Aussie left in me from having
Aussie housemates. I still say "No worries" to this day, another
Aussie-ism I picked up.)

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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:43:46 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
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> Thanks Peter! I cleared EVERYTHING and now ,y Firefox works again to
> get to GoogleGroups.
>
> I'm posting with my Firefox now!
>
> Kudos to you mate! ;-) (I've a little Aussie left in me from having
> Aussie housemates. I still say "No worries" to this day, another
> Aussie-ism I picked up.)


If cookies were your problem, set FF to accept them for the session
only. It clears cookies when you close the program.

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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:52:30 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
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> Don't have a usenet news server anymore. Newsgroups were how I started
> on the Internet. I used to use trn on a Sun/Unix workstation. trn was
> much better than rn because rn didn't support threads.


Didn't someone post a free usenet server up-thread?

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sf > wrote in :

> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:43:46 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks Peter! I cleared EVERYTHING and now ,y Firefox works again to
>> get to GoogleGroups.
>>
>> I'm posting with my Firefox now!
>>
>> Kudos to you mate! ;-) (I've a little Aussie left in me from having
>> Aussie housemates. I still say "No worries" to this day, another
>> Aussie-ism I picked up.)

>
> If cookies were your problem, set FF to accept them for the session
> only. It clears cookies when you close the program.
>




That wasn't the problem. The problem was the 'updated' version of FF clashed
with the cookies already in place.



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sf > wrote in :

> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:43:46 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks Peter! I cleared EVERYTHING and now ,y Firefox works again to
>> get to GoogleGroups.
>>
>> I'm posting with my Firefox now!
>>
>> Kudos to you mate! ;-) (I've a little Aussie left in me from having
>> Aussie housemates. I still say "No worries" to this day, another
>> Aussie-ism I picked up.)



No worries.

But it was "-a-" that came up with the solution..... I just 'fine tuned' it.



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>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:43:46 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Peter! I cleared EVERYTHING and now ,y Firefox works again to
>>> get to GoogleGroups.
>>>
>>> I'm posting with my Firefox now!
>>>
>>> Kudos to you mate! ;-) (I've a little Aussie left in me from having
>>> Aussie housemates. I still say "No worries" to this day, another
>>> Aussie-ism I picked up.)

>
>
> No worries.
>
> But it was "-a-" that came up with the solution..... I just 'fine tuned'
> it.
>
>
>



Opps....... that was supposed to be a reply to JK.

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On Jun 25, 1:23*am, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:43:46 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>
> > wrote:
> > Thanks Peter! I cleared EVERYTHING and now ,y Firefox works again to
> > get to GoogleGroups.

>
> > I'm posting with my Firefox now!

>
> > Kudos to you mate! ;-) (I've a little Aussie left in me from having
> > Aussie housemates. I still say "No worries" to this day, another
> > Aussie-ism I picked up.)

>
> If cookies were your problem, set FF to accept them for the session
> only. *It clears cookies when you close the program.


The cookies normally don't present any problem, so I will leave them
set as is. But it was good of Peter to tell me (us?) where Firefox
hides it's cookies and cache. I could not find them at first.

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> John Kuthe > wrote:
>
>> Thanks Peter! I cleared EVERYTHING and now ,y Firefox works again to
>> get to GoogleGroups.
>>
>> I'm posting with my Firefox now!

>
> If cookies were your problem, set FF to accept them for the session
> only. It clears cookies when you close the program.


The problem with clearing cookie when reading through google groups is
google stores your group preferences in the cookies. Every time the
cookies are cleared every subscribed group goes back to the default
behavior. I have to set each group to view-as-a-tree and so on again.

That's a lot of extra work using google as my secondary newsreader.
It was far too much work when I travelled enough to use it as my primary
reader.
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Stu wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:32:39 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> John Kuthe > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Peter! I cleared EVERYTHING and now ,y Firefox works again to
>>>> get to GoogleGroups.
>>>>
>>>> I'm posting with my Firefox now!
>>> If cookies were your problem, set FF to accept them for the session
>>> only. It clears cookies when you close the program.

>> The problem with clearing cookie when reading through google groups is
>> google stores your group preferences in the cookies. Every time the
>> cookies are cleared every subscribed group goes back to the default
>> behavior. I have to set each group to view-as-a-tree and so on again.
>>
>> That's a lot of extra work using google as my secondary newsreader.
>> It was far too much work when I travelled enough to use it as my primary
>> reader.

>
> Try free Agent v a32-1.91 or 1.92 , they're older but work well with
> XP and Vista, probably even System 7.
> If you can't find them, I can send you both versions if you'd like.


I have not found the Agent newsreader to be friendly.

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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:32:39 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
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> sf wrote:
> > John Kuthe > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Peter! I cleared EVERYTHING and now ,y Firefox works again to
> >> get to GoogleGroups.
> >>
> >> I'm posting with my Firefox now!

> >
> > If cookies were your problem, set FF to accept them for the session
> > only. It clears cookies when you close the program.

>
> The problem with clearing cookie when reading through google groups is
> google stores your group preferences in the cookies. Every time the
> cookies are cleared every subscribed group goes back to the default
> behavior. I have to set each group to view-as-a-tree and so on again.
>

You click on "view as tree". What's so hard about that?

> That's a lot of extra work using google as my secondary newsreader.
> It was far too much work when I travelled enough to use it as my primary
> reader.


I don't use Google as my primary news reader or email reader because
both leave a lot to be desired. Gmail is set to forward into my isp's
inbox and I read email with Eudora7.

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On Jun 25, 2:37*am, PL > wrote:
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> >> > wrote:

>
> >>> Thanks Peter! I cleared EVERYTHING and now ,y Firefox works again to
> >>> get to GoogleGroups.

>
> >>> I'm posting with my Firefox now!

>
> >>> Kudos to you mate! ;-) (I've a little Aussie left in me from having
> >>> Aussie housemates. I still say "No worries" to this day, another
> >>> Aussie-ism I picked up.)

>
> > No worries.

>
> > But it was "-a-" that came up with the solution..... I just 'fine tuned'
> > it.

>
> Opps....... that was supposed to be a reply to JK.


JK received your reply! Your fine tuning was the key. I had no idea
where Firefox hid it's cookies until you explicated!

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Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.

OE6 and astraweb keeps both Usenet and E-Mail, simple and straight
forward.

F/F does a great job as my browser.

Simple is as simple does.

Forget GoogleGroups.

Lets in too much spam IMHO.

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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:07:19 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>I have not found the Agent newsreader to be friendly.


How so? I've used commercial Agent for several years with no problems.
I've also found the Agent team to be extremely responsive when I've
had a question. And, now that Cox is shutting down Usenet, I've
subscribed to their news feed. IIRC, $2.95 a month. I spend more than
that in a *day* on coffee.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

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if the wine had been as old as the turkey,
and if the turkey had had a breast like the maid,
it would have been a swell dinner." Duncan Hines


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On Jun 25, 8:03*pm, "Lew Hodgett" > wrote:
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>
> Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
>
> OE6 and astraweb keeps both Usenet and E-Mail, simple and straight
> forward.
>
> F/F does a great job as my browser.
>
> Simple is as simple does.
>
> Forget GoogleGroups.
>
> Lets in too much spam IMHO.
>
> Lew


GoogleGroups lets in too much SPAM? How? Where does it let it in to?

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Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:07:19 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>> I have not found the Agent newsreader to be friendly.

>
> How so? I've used commercial Agent for several years with no problems.
> I've also found the Agent team to be extremely responsive when I've
> had a question. And, now that Cox is shutting down Usenet, I've
> subscribed to their news feed. IIRC, $2.95 a month. I spend more than
> that in a *day* on coffee.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>


I'm used to a certain way of threading and reading and Agent doesn't
work the way my brain does. I'm sure it's friendlier to other people, I
just couldn't get comfortable with it.

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